[sri ramanuja] Mukti/Liberation IS NOT CHEAP

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Dear Senthil Swaamin

 

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I am stunned at your knowledge depth. I need to learn Vachana

Booshanam through mp3 CD soon. But i am stuck overseas.

 

Fantastic Explanation.

 

Adiyaen

 

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ramanuja, "B.Senthil kumar"

<b_senthil2002 wrote:

>

> Sri:||

>

> Dear Deepak Vinod,

> adiyEn will try to clear the doubts raised by you, under the

guidance

> from our beloved AchAryAs. If there is any mistakes, please pardon

> adiyEn for that.

>

> > Is Mukti/Liberation as cheap as it is "portrayed/interpreted" as

in our

> > Shastras???

>

> First adiyEn wants to clearly tell that, Mukti/Liberation IS NOT

CHEAP

> as you think. Liberation or adiyEn can say that reaching Sri

Vaikuntam

> to perform nitya kainkaryam to Sri VaikuntanAthan.

>

> IN ONE LINE ADIYEN CAN SAY THAT, IF YOU WANT TO REACH PARAMAPADAM OR

> OBTAIN LIBERATION FROM THIS WORLD,

> According to our sampradhAyam, we have to perform saranAgati to

> DivyaDhampathi's through AchArya sampandham. WITHOUT AchArya

> sampandham, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

>

> Adiyen will try to explain this based on the following:

>

> Sri Pillai lOkAchAryar in his Sri Vacana Booshanam says:

> "Iththaiyozhiya bhagavath sampandham dhurlabam"

> ---- 440 Soothram

>

> There are 9 types of relationship between the JeevAthmA and

ParamAthmA

> which is called as "Navavidha Sampandham" which can't be broken by

> even EmperumAn - "unthanOdu uravEl namakku ingu ozhikka ozhiyAthu"

as

> said by Sri Andal in ThiruPaavai.

>

> For 440 soothram, Sri Manavala Mamunigal in his vyAkyAnam explained

as

> below:

>

> Eventhough it is said that, the relationship between the jeevAthmA

and

> ParamAthmA is "anArchiththam", then why Pillai lOkAchAryar says that

> without the AchArya sampandham, there is NO bhagavath sampandham.

> Because, the jeevAthmA has to know this gn~Anam of relationship with

> ParamAtmA. The jeevAthmA obtain this gn~Anam ONLY through AchAryan's

> upadEsam. Without AchArya sampandham, jeevAthmA doesn't have this

> gn~Anam. Hence Pillai lOkachAryar says that without the sampandham

of

> AchAryan, bhagavath sampandham is NOT POSSIBLE. Till the jeevAthmA

> gets AchArya sampandham, it's devoid of sampandha gn~Anam.

>

> This can be explained by using the following example:

> It's said that, theertha yAtra, Ganga SnAnam will lead to mOksham.

> Eventhough there are lot of fishes in the River Ganges, will it

attain

> mOksham? since it's always present inside the river water. NO

> DEFINITELY NOT!!! Because those fishes doesn't had the gnAnam that,

> the Ganga water came from emperumaan's thiruvadi.

>

> Again adiyEn want to explain through the excerpt from Sri Velukkudi

> VaradhAchAryar Swamin upanyAsam on "VisishtAdvaitam" concept. In

that,

> Swamin said that, When peoples were asking permission to go Teertha

> yAtra to Ganga, Manu Bhagavan enquired each people "Do you accept

that

> Emperuman is our Swamin, and we are HIS dAsars(adiyArs)?". For those

> people who accepted, Manu used to tell, "You NO need to go theertha

> yAtra, since you are having the gnAnam of our relationship with

> emperumAn. Those theertha yAtra is meant only for those who dont

have

> that gnAnam." And for those people who doesn't accepted, Manu used

to

> tell, "You also NO need to go theertha yAtra, because it WONT fetch

> you anything, since you don't want to accept the sampandha gnAnam

with

> emperumAn."

>

> The above is the excerpt from Manu Smruthi. Those theertha yAtra and

> other karmA's are only meant for obtaining sampandha gnAnam with

> Bhagavan. Once sampandha gnAnam with emperumAn is obtained, then the

> JeevAtma will obtain Liberation. In our sampradhAyam the sampandha

> gnAnam is obtained ONLY through AchArya sampandham, NOT THROUGH ANY

> OTHER MEANS like going to theertha yatra, doing xyz, etc.....

>

> Hence WITHOUT taking shelter under AchAryan, one cannot attain

> paramapadam or mOksham.

>

> The above words are NOT adiyEns own.

>

> adiyEn,

> senthil.b

>

>

>

> ramanuja, Deepak Vinod <deepak.vinod@> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Hari

> >

> > Respected elders!

> >

> > Please enlighten me on an issue that has been lingering on my

mind for a

> > while..

> >

> > Is Mukti/Liberation as cheap as it is "portrayed/interpreted" as

in our

> > Shastras???

> >

> > In my very little reading recently I have come across many

> places/references

> > that I am sure everyone has themselves come across where the

Shastra

> says

> >

> > If one .................................. he/she will be given

> liberation.

> >

> > The gap can be filled with many references from our

shastras....for eg

> >

> > a) does Tirth darshan of xxxxxxxx or yyyyyyyyyyy

> > b) has a bathe in the river xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (like Ganga, Jamuna,

> Radha Kund)

> > c) drinks the charnamrita of Lord in his Deity or Salagram form,

as

> per..

> > Akaal mrityu harnam, Sarva vyadhi vinashanam, Vishno(Salagram)

> padodakam

> > pitva, punar janma na vidyate

> > d) Offers one tulasi to the Lord (in the month of Kartika)

> > e) does dIpa dAnam to the Lord in kArtika

> > Similarly in various stotras or prayers written for the Lord...I

am

> sure the

> > respected elders have come across stotras etc where in it there

lies

> mention

> > of one who reads this nn number of times or on a certain day like

> pUrnimA or

> > ekAdasi etc are given Liberation.....

> >

> > So as a young person I believe and see that

> > a) in this world that good things come with hard work

> > b) People sacrifice their whole life to get the love of the Lord

> > c) people in the past (ages and yugas) have gone through enormous

> pain to

> > enter the Lord's divya Dhaams

> >

> > So for me...it seems that Mukti or Liberation is percieved as so

> cheap that

> > one can go to a local travel agent, book a ticket to a certain

> Teerth sthaan

> > and visit and take darshan and as a result attain a GUARANTEED

> ticket to the

> > LORDS DHAAM when they leave their body....and irrespective of

what the

> > person does in their daily lives....including

> > a) not taking shelter of Acharyen

> > b) be involved in consuming Liquor and meat

> > c) not practising devotion in their daily lives

> >

> >

> > I am not contesting our shastras...I have great faith in them...

I

> believe

> > that I am not interpreting them correctly as per the "desired"

meaning.

> > So please I beg the respected and Wise elders to enlighten me to

what

> > "seems" as a great inconsistency, unfairness, anomaly in our

shastras.

> > Please pardon my offences...I am genuinely seeking enlightenment.

> >

> > Your servant.

> > Deepak

> >

> > Shri Hari

> > Narayana Narayana Narayana

> >

>