Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Dear Chandashekhar, Thank you for your valuable comment- which helps me get confirmation of the approach and thinking process I've applied; suggestion/advice on where to focus my attention further. I hope you are doing fine and i am glad to notice that nothing can stay in the way of your teaching and sharing jyotish knowledge. As for Ju, you are right, and in fact I do consider Ju /in Libra/ as being in lagna Libra- I just wanted to give more info re its position. Confirming your opinion is the fact that suicidal thoughts of a young man were pronounced during Ju in Li, which further indicates /do you think so?/ it's lordship of 6th and 3rd, being in lagna. For further information, just to let you know that mother and this young man recently left the home /run-away/ where they lived with /unsuspecting, still?/ father. Very chilly story, indeed. I have an impression that it's so much so that people feel uncomfortable to even consider this /have you noticed silence-lack of response?/ Best wishes, Anna Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Anna, 4th lord Saturn with Mars 7th lord and Moon the karaka for mother, going to the 12th and Venus the lord of the 8th in Papakartari occupying the 4th, does suggest a possibility of what you are guessing being right. I would consider Jupiter in Lagna as with him aspecting the 6th, 8th and Venus, if in 12th, the possibility of something like this occuring seems to be remote. Before coming to any definite conclusion, you would be well advised to look at the navamsha strength or weakness of the relevant planets. Chandrashekhar. 108ar wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > I've recently come across one case labeled: 'suspects of incest'- So > sorry cannot share Birth data /delicate issue, indeed. Behaviorally, > /I mean actual behaviour/ this possibility is fairly likely! > > I am curious to see this astrologically. > > Libra lagna /son/, Venus in 4th, Sun Me in 5th, Rahu in 9 th, > Sa, Mo Mars in 12th. Ju on Lagna /or 12 in cuspal chart/ > /we have LL in mother's house, 4th Lord in a dreadful combination, in > 12th-bed pleasures? Moon is there and 7th Lord Mars conjoins 4th/and > 5th!!!/ Lord Saturn. What would any of you suggest/expect for this > poor 24 yr. old? > What kind of help can be introduced anyway, when such a taboo serious > issue is to be dealt with.. > > Sa conj Mars and combo squares nodes- man is running Rahu MD and has > been hospitalized as a suicide attempt- taken out by mother. > lots of juvenile psychopathy syndrome indicated behaviorally,which I > would not considered crucial under the circumstances, since it might > be his massive reaction to the general situation. > > What I am sure about is if "that' happened it was not by force. Astro > data seem to confirm? > > Incest? > What would be indications, in general? In this case I'd like to hear > your impressions, as well. > Hope you'll find this to be an interesting issue./as I did/ > Regards, > Anna > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Dear Anna, Your logic is right. Jupiter does act like 6th and 3rd lord in the Lagna. It is indeed a chilly story. I did notice that not many responded. That perhaps is because many felt the topic was sensitive/sordid. I to felt the same but could not stop giving my views. Take care, Chandrashekhar. 108ar wrote: > > Dear Chandashekhar, > > > Thank you for your valuable comment- which helps me get confirmation > of the approach and thinking process I've applied; suggestion/advice > on where to focus my attention further. > I hope you are doing fine and i am glad to notice that nothing can > stay in the way of your teaching and sharing jyotish knowledge. > As for Ju, you are right, and in fact I do consider Ju /in Libra/ as > being in lagna Libra- I just wanted to give more info re its position. > Confirming your opinion is the fact that suicidal thoughts of a young > man were pronounced during Ju in Li, which further indicates /do you > think so?/ it's lordship of 6th and 3rd, being in lagna. > For further information, just to let you know that mother and this > young man recently left the home /run-away/ where they lived with > /unsuspecting, still?/ father. > > Very chilly story, indeed. I have an impression that it's so much so > that people feel uncomfortable to even consider this /have you noticed > silence-lack of response?/ > > Best wishes, > Anna > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > Dear Anna, > > 4th lord Saturn with Mars 7th lord and Moon the karaka for mother, going > to the 12th and Venus the lord of the 8th in Papakartari occupying the > 4th, does suggest a possibility of what you are guessing being right. I > would consider Jupiter in Lagna as with him aspecting the 6th, 8th and > Venus, if in 12th, the possibility of something like this occuring seems > to be remote. > > Before coming to any definite conclusion, you would be well advised to > look at the navamsha strength or weakness of the relevant planets. > > Chandrashekhar. > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > I've recently come across one case labeled: 'suspects of incest'- So > > sorry cannot share Birth data /delicate issue, indeed. Behaviorally, > > /I mean actual behaviour/ this possibility is fairly likely! > > > > I am curious to see this astrologically. > > > > Libra lagna /son/, Venus in 4th, Sun Me in 5th, Rahu in 9 th, > > Sa, Mo Mars in 12th. Ju on Lagna /or 12 in cuspal chart/ > > /we have LL in mother's house, 4th Lord in a dreadful combination, in > > 12th-bed pleasures? Moon is there and 7th Lord Mars conjoins 4th/and > > 5th!!!/ Lord Saturn. What would any of you suggest/expect for this > > poor 24 yr. old? > > What kind of help can be introduced anyway, when such a taboo serious > > issue is to be dealt with.. > > > > Sa conj Mars and combo squares nodes- man is running Rahu MD and has > > been hospitalized as a suicide attempt- taken out by mother. > > lots of juvenile psychopathy syndrome indicated behaviorally,which I > > would not considered crucial under the circumstances, since it might > > be his massive reaction to the general situation. > > > > What I am sure about is if "that' happened it was not by force. Astro > > data seem to confirm? > > > > Incest? > > What would be indications, in general? In this case I'd like to hear > > your impressions, as well. > > Hope you'll find this to be an interesting issue./as I did/ > > Regards, > > Anna > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 dear anna and chandrashekhar: thank you for your posts and contributions to this list. on a personal note, i would have commented on the chart if birth data had been provided. in that way, i could have created the chart and taken planetary degrees, etc., into consideration, which i think are essential for interpretation. in this case, i think anna wanted to keep the data confidential. this may have reduced the amount of participation in the case study. best wishes, david hawthorne - Chandrashekhar Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:57 AM Re: Re: Incest Dear Anna, Your logic is right. Jupiter does act like 6th and 3rd lord in the Lagna. It is indeed a chilly story. I did notice that not many responded. That perhaps is because many felt the topic was sensitive/sordid. I to felt the same but could not stop giving my views. Take care, Chandrashekhar. 108ar wrote: > > Dear Chandashekhar, > > > Thank you for your valuable comment- which helps me get confirmation > of the approach and thinking process I've applied; suggestion/advice > on where to focus my attention further. > I hope you are doing fine and i am glad to notice that nothing can > stay in the way of your teaching and sharing jyotish knowledge. > As for Ju, you are right, and in fact I do consider Ju /in Libra/ as > being in lagna Libra- I just wanted to give more info re its position. > Confirming your opinion is the fact that suicidal thoughts of a young > man were pronounced during Ju in Li, which further indicates /do you > think so?/ it's lordship of 6th and 3rd, being in lagna. > For further information, just to let you know that mother and this > young man recently left the home /run-away/ where they lived with > /unsuspecting, still?/ father. > > Very chilly story, indeed. I have an impression that it's so much so > that people feel uncomfortable to even consider this /have you noticed > silence-lack of response?/ > > Best wishes, > Anna > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > Dear Anna, > > 4th lord Saturn with Mars 7th lord and Moon the karaka for mother, going > to the 12th and Venus the lord of the 8th in Papakartari occupying the > 4th, does suggest a possibility of what you are guessing being right. I > would consider Jupiter in Lagna as with him aspecting the 6th, 8th and > Venus, if in 12th, the possibility of something like this occuring seems > to be remote. > > Before coming to any definite conclusion, you would be well advised to > look at the navamsha strength or weakness of the relevant planets. > > Chandrashekhar. > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > I've recently come across one case labeled: 'suspects of incest'- So > > sorry cannot share Birth data /delicate issue, indeed. Behaviorally, > > /I mean actual behaviour/ this possibility is fairly likely! > > > > I am curious to see this astrologically. > > > > Libra lagna /son/, Venus in 4th, Sun Me in 5th, Rahu in 9 th, > > Sa, Mo Mars in 12th. Ju on Lagna /or 12 in cuspal chart/ > > /we have LL in mother's house, 4th Lord in a dreadful combination, in > > 12th-bed pleasures? Moon is there and 7th Lord Mars conjoins 4th/and > > 5th!!!/ Lord Saturn. What would any of you suggest/expect for this > > poor 24 yr. old? > > What kind of help can be introduced anyway, when such a taboo serious > > issue is to be dealt with.. > > > > Sa conj Mars and combo squares nodes- man is running Rahu MD and has > > been hospitalized as a suicide attempt- taken out by mother. > > lots of juvenile psychopathy syndrome indicated behaviorally,which I > > would not considered crucial under the circumstances, since it might > > be his massive reaction to the general situation. > > > > What I am sure about is if "that' happened it was not by force. Astro > > data seem to confirm? > > > > Incest? > > What would be indications, in general? In this case I'd like to hear > > your impressions, as well. > > Hope you'll find this to be an interesting issue./as I did/ > > Regards, > > Anna > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 On 12/3/06, Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest > wrote: > > According to definition of incest, it can happen between daughter and > father, daughter and mom, son and father, son and mom, sister and sister and > sister and brother. > Father and mother? Oh, and one more thing, sometimes culture also plays its role. A Muslim can > marry his cousin sister. its fine over there but its incest in Hinduism. > Oh, how far away are you from Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh? License to loathsome incestuous marriages are very rife thereabouts. I had a classmate of mine marrying his sister's daughter. I recall throwing up on his wedding invitation when he told me. It isn't illegit in some communities like Gowdas and Reddys to marry among children of bros and sisses. Lord... only halfwits can grow up playing with little household children they later sleep with. While we're on this, the case of Zoroastrians in India is at once curious and sad. It's a religious bind whereby they're forbidden to look beyond Zoroastrians and since their general pool has decreased dramatically, you often find siblings hand in hand on beaches. Theirs is one exemplary case of how an ideology has held siege human intellect to a point of self-destruction. Cheers, Ramapriya PS: There's nothing like 'cousin sister'; it's either 'cousin' or 'sis' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dear David, Yes, that could have been one of the reasons. Chandrashekhar. David Hawthorne wrote: > > dear anna and chandrashekhar: > > thank you for your posts and contributions to this list. > > on a personal note, i would have commented on the chart if birth data > had been provided. > > in that way, i could have created the chart and taken planetary > degrees, etc., into consideration, which i think are essential for > interpretation. > > in this case, i think anna wanted to keep the data confidential. > > this may have reduced the amount of participation in the case study. > > best wishes, > > david hawthorne > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:57 AM > Re: Re: Incest > > Dear Anna, > Your logic is right. Jupiter does act like 6th and 3rd lord in the > Lagna. It is indeed a chilly story. > > I did notice that not many responded. That perhaps is because many felt > the topic was sensitive/sordid. I to felt the same but could not stop > giving my views. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > 108ar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandashekhar, > > > > > > Thank you for your valuable comment- which helps me get confirmation > > of the approach and thinking process I've applied; suggestion/advice > > on where to focus my attention further. > > I hope you are doing fine and i am glad to notice that nothing can > > stay in the way of your teaching and sharing jyotish knowledge. > > As for Ju, you are right, and in fact I do consider Ju /in Libra/ as > > being in lagna Libra- I just wanted to give more info re its position. > > Confirming your opinion is the fact that suicidal thoughts of a young > > man were pronounced during Ju in Li, which further indicates /do you > > think so?/ it's lordship of 6th and 3rd, being in lagna. > > For further information, just to let you know that mother and this > > young man recently left the home /run-away/ where they lived with > > /unsuspecting, still?/ father. > > > > Very chilly story, indeed. I have an impression that it's so much so > > that people feel uncomfortable to even consider this /have you noticed > > silence-lack of response?/ > > > > Best wishes, > > Anna > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > Dear Anna, > > > > 4th lord Saturn with Mars 7th lord and Moon the karaka for mother, going > > to the 12th and Venus the lord of the 8th in Papakartari occupying the > > 4th, does suggest a possibility of what you are guessing being right. I > > would consider Jupiter in Lagna as with him aspecting the 6th, 8th and > > Venus, if in 12th, the possibility of something like this occuring seems > > to be remote. > > > > Before coming to any definite conclusion, you would be well advised to > > look at the navamsha strength or weakness of the relevant planets. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I've recently come across one case labeled: 'suspects of incest'- So > > > sorry cannot share Birth data /delicate issue, indeed. Behaviorally, > > > /I mean actual behaviour/ this possibility is fairly likely! > > > > > > I am curious to see this astrologically. > > > > > > Libra lagna /son/, Venus in 4th, Sun Me in 5th, Rahu in 9 th, > > > Sa, Mo Mars in 12th. Ju on Lagna /or 12 in cuspal chart/ > > > /we have LL in mother's house, 4th Lord in a dreadful combination, in > > > 12th-bed pleasures? Moon is there and 7th Lord Mars conjoins 4th/and > > > 5th!!!/ Lord Saturn. What would any of you suggest/expect for this > > > poor 24 yr. old? > > > What kind of help can be introduced anyway, when such a taboo serious > > > issue is to be dealt with.. > > > > > > Sa conj Mars and combo squares nodes- man is running Rahu MD and has > > > been hospitalized as a suicide attempt- taken out by mother. > > > lots of juvenile psychopathy syndrome indicated behaviorally,which I > > > would not considered crucial under the circumstances, since it might > > > be his massive reaction to the general situation. > > > > > > What I am sure about is if "that' happened it was not by force. Astro > > > data seem to confirm? > > > > > > Incest? > > > What would be indications, in general? In this case I'd like to hear > > > your impressions, as well. > > > Hope you'll find this to be an interesting issue./as I did/ > > > Regards, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 On 12/3/06, mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > why, even in tamil nadu it is alright to marry one's maternal uncle > (mother's brother) or paternal aunt's son (father's sister's son). these are > allowed as a custom. it is another matter that these do account for a large > number of congenital diseases with such kind of inbreeding among families > related closely through blood. > this practice is widely followed for many other (socio-economic) reasons. > some of those i know of > 1)both families have a common ancestor and have large land holdings and > immovable properties. this is done so that the property is not fragmented > due to dowries and the like but kept within the family for generations. > Halfwit generations designed to have medical and intellectual limitations that'll guarantee dissolution if not fragmentation of the immovable property 2)there is also this belief that a sister when married off belongs to > another gotram, another family (she takes on another family name,etc). > should she conceive it is argued that the seed comes from a person belonging > to a different gotra, family, etc. hence this child belongs to that other > family and not this one even though related very closely. > I've heard all that crap too. Marrying the children of your mom's bro is ok but not a mom's sis' child. Logic? My foot! Having been born into an Iyengar priest's family myself, I was exposed to all this tosh from early on in life but my dad to his credit never attempted defending the indefensible. therefore, the marriage between the son and the daughter of a sister and > brother are not incest in the strictest of terms. hence it is allowed by > custom among many castes like reddys, kammas, orthodox brahmins, etc. these > prospective grooms within the family are popularly known as maama or mora > payyann, baava, athaan, etc. > but more recently the medical field with the help of media has spread the > word that this could be harmful for the next generation of children and i do > believe that this kind of inter-family marriages have come down drastically > except in a few stray cases. > few bat an eyelid for an inter-state or inter-caste marriages which are > not considered taboo anymore. these days its the inter-national ones which > are quite common. i think its got to do more with women's education and > economic independance that we see the changes we do. > mahalakshmi > Dear Mahalakshmi, I don't agree with your view on inter-cousin marriages not constituting incest but entirely respect your right to hold an opinion. Cheers, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 On 12/4/06, mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > dear ramapriya > i am 'not' advocating this type of marriage nor am i 'defending' the same. > i have stated only the reasons which are usually forwarded by people who > practice this custom. > you may be the priest's son who knows this crap but many on this list may > not > be aware of it. > i have also mentioned about the diseases passed on to the next gen. surely > this should have served as a clue that i dint advocate or defend this. > about the siss' kids marrying each other - two kshetras from the same > family were not allowed as also between brothers' kids by our ancestors for > a similar reason. > mahalakshmi > Dear Mahalakshmi, Looks like I didn't conveyance well enough (customarily). I didn't even think you advocated it - far from it. It was indeed you who mentioned the medical follies of it. I only quibbled about what does or doesn't constitute incest Cheers, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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