Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab some coffee and read on... Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art as soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use personally, The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's usage popularity The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived to this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern India because it consistently works! In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play out their role in life in the following order- 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post a section on it. 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its usage, and it works brilliantly. 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the effects of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some hints- 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the results are often "life altering" like a major change of place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being shared with many people. 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not very time sensitive. Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in Kendra/kona /-- - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, events like minor accidents, disappointments, new friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dear Suneel, Namaste. For me my favourite is all time Vimsottari. In teenage Years during Venus MD I had the best time which even the rich of today can just dream of. Venus is in 9th in My horoscope in Aries and Lagna is Leo. All access to money, luxuries and entertainment of the highest order. During Sun MahaDasha, the lagna lord, my marriage was solemnised, Sun is in 11 th (House of Gains and also marriage pointer) in Gemini alongwith mercury. During Moon MD, I was taken away from my own residence to stay at other place., (Moon is the 12th Lord) , In Mars MD I got good money (Yogkaraka in Lagna) etc.etc. My Marriage coincided within 2-3 months of Sun MahaDasha starting and Going away from house co-incided within 2-3 months of Moon Mahadasha start . If for some people the Vimsottari Dasha does not give results, then its better for one to read the classics, where its clearly mentioned when to use which Dasha system. I cannot quote at this moment as I dont remember. I find Vimsottari very time sensitive. As I said different Dasha systems are to be used as per the strength of individual laid -down principles for planets. So one cannot just brush the Vimsottari Dasha if it does not work in his case. Maybe some other Dasha system is supposed to work for him and he is reading a book which he should not. The above is my experience. regards, Bhaskar. , "Suneel Hooda" <suneelhooda wrote: > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab > some coffee and read on... > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art as > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use > personally, > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate > them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's > usage popularity > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived to > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern India > because it consistently works! > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play > out their role in life in the following order- > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post > a section on it. > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its > usage, and it works brilliantly. > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the effects > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. > > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) > > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some hints- > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the > results are often "life altering" like a major change of > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being > shared with many people. > > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not > very time sensitive. > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in Kendra/kona /-- > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. > > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use > in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dear Sunil, I prefer use of Vimshottari dasha, though I also use Kalachakra Dasha for confirmation, when in doubt as to the bhava whose effects a planet is likely to give at a certain point of time. Personally, I think too much is made of the requirement of very accurate time of birth for Kalachakra dasha. If the time is to be accurate it is for all dashas and not only Kalachakra Dasha. Like Vimshottari KCD is also a nakshatra Dasha which is a very powerful tool in the hands of the knowledgeable. I know what I am going say will hurt many, but believe me that is not my intention. At my age I think I would be doing a disservice to the science if I do not state what I feel about things astrological. Many a times the reason of accuracy of time is advanced to cover up wrong timing. Of course this is my personal opinion and others more learned than me might hold a different view. So this is the only comment I shall make on this subject. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Suneel Hooda wrote: > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab > some coffee and read on... > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art as > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use > personally, > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate > them -- so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's > usage popularity > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived to > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern India > because it consistently works! > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play > out their role in life in the following order- > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post > a section on it. > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its > usage, and it works brilliantly. > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the effects > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some hints- > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the > results are often "life altering" like a major change of > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being > shared with many people. > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not > very time sensitive. > > Read parashar & stick with that approach -- a planet in Kendra/kona /-- > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use > in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.0/557 - Release 11/29/2006 4:15 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Sir, I agree to Shri Chandrasekharji with a little change, Many a times the reason of accuracy of time is advanced to cover up inadequacy on the part of the astrologer (Now this is a general comment and not for anyone individual, so no heads turning up please). Because the Dasha may show change even with different ayanamshas used, Lahiris, Ramans or KP or Chitra or whatever. And suppose one is able to video tape the birth of a child alongwith time set to International standards, which means absolutely accurate, still how many of us, with that accurate timings can come close to accuracy in predictions ? We are not that smart even if the perfect tools are given to us without any flaw. At the same time I should say that a good barber can, even with a blunt scissor, can make a man look good, with his skills at hair cutting. Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder, so the chart showing complete true projection, lies in the hands of a real astrologer which other astrologer may not be able to see projected. These are my personal comments, so please no arguments. regards, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > I prefer use of Vimshottari dasha, though I also use Kalachakra Dasha > for confirmation, when in doubt as to the bhava whose effects a planet > is likely to give at a certain point of time. > > Personally, I think too much is made of the requirement of very accurate > time of birth for Kalachakra dasha. If the time is to be accurate it is > for all dashas and not only Kalachakra Dasha. Like Vimshottari KCD is > also a nakshatra Dasha which is a very powerful tool in the hands of the > knowledgeable. > > I know what I am going say will hurt many, but believe me that is not my > intention. At my age I think I would be doing a disservice to the > science if I do not state what I feel about things astrological. Many a > times the reason of accuracy of time is advanced to cover up wrong timing. > > Of course this is my personal opinion and others more learned than me > might hold a different view. So this is the only comment I shall make on > this subject. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Suneel Hooda wrote: > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab > > some coffee and read on... > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art as > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use > > personally, > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate > > them -- so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's > > usage popularity > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived to > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern India > > because it consistently works! > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play > > out their role in life in the following order- > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post > > a section on it. > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its > > usage, and it works brilliantly. > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the effects > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some hints- > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being > > shared with many people. > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not > > very time sensitive. > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach -- a planet in Kendra/kona /-- > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.0/557 - Release 11/29/2006 4:15 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Om Datta Guru Dear Chandrashekhar, I think the name of the man who posted is Suneel (not Sunil), thought would kindly point that out. u wrote > science if I do not state what I feel about things astrological. Many a > times the reason of accuracy of time is advanced to cover up wrong timing. > U are 100% right in the statement, the time of birth accuracy issue has been so so bloated that I have seen 'Chart Repairing' been done when not needed at all. Its like my PC Engineer comes and formats my PC every 2 months & now there is more problem due to it. Sadly this time of birth accuracy issue spoils Jyotish studies of many a students like us in the initial years, is my experience. I have a friend who at the first instance says time of birth might be wrong or questions the accuracy of it, for every chart without seeing the events. Its like The Johnny Lever Character of Baazigar 'Sabpe Shaack Karta hain' (always suspecting everyone or accuracy of every chart) Thought would add some humor to the dry list. Sunil , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > I prefer use of Vimshottari dasha, though I also use Kalachakra Dasha > for confirmation, when in doubt as to the bhava whose effects a planet > is likely to give at a certain point of time. > > Personally, I think too much is made of the requirement of very accurate > time of birth for Kalachakra dasha. If the time is to be accurate it is > for all dashas and not only Kalachakra Dasha. Like Vimshottari KCD is > also a nakshatra Dasha which is a very powerful tool in the hands of the > knowledgeable. > > I know what I am going say will hurt many, but believe me that is not my > intention. At my age I think I would be doing a disservice to the > science if I do not state what I feel about things astrological. Many a > times the reason of accuracy of time is advanced to cover up wrong timing. > > Of course this is my personal opinion and others more learned than me > might hold a different view. So this is the only comment I shall make on > this subject. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Suneel Hooda wrote: > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab > > some coffee and read on... > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art as > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use > > personally, > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate > > them -- so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's > > usage popularity > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived to > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern India > > because it consistently works! > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play > > out their role in life in the following order- > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post > > a section on it. > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its > > usage, and it works brilliantly. > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the effects > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some hints- > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being > > shared with many people. > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not > > very time sensitive. > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach -- a planet in Kendra/kona /-- > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.0/557 - Release Date: 11/29/2006 4:15 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 dear suneel.... thank you for your post on this subject. in response to your request to let us know what dashas we use: my choice is the vimshottari dasha system. 1. I use the mahadasha (main period) ruler as the general trend (or river bed of time). 2. I use the antardasha (sub period) ruler as the operating planet. 3. I use the daily transits (viewed from the rising sign or ascendant) to verify and predict significant events. Best wishes, David Hawthorne Fairfield, Iowa USA - Suneel Hooda Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:35 AM DISCUSSION OF DASAS Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab some coffee and read on... Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art as soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use personally, The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate them - so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's usage popularity The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived to this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern India because it consistently works! In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play out their role in life in the following order- 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post a section on it. 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its usage, and it works brilliantly. 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the effects of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some hints- 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the results are often "life altering" like a major change of place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being shared with many people. 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not very time sensitive. Read parashar & stick with that approach - a planet in Kendra/kona /-- - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, events like minor accidents, disappointments, new friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 hi David, thanks for your reply, you got me really curious now, I am interested to know more about your experiences with using the ascendent as the primary point to see transits, cause i have been using the birth moon as the point of reference. So could your pleez elaborate a little on this, like do use the transits of planets over the asc. or in certain houses from it or aspects formed to the asc. etc. Thanks so much ! Suneel Los Angeles, CA , "David Hawthorne" <david wrote: > > dear suneel.... > > thank you for your post on this subject. > > in response to your request to let us know what dashas we use: > > my choice is the vimshottari dasha system. > > 1. I use the mahadasha (main period) ruler as the general trend (or river bed of time). > > 2. I use the antardasha (sub period) ruler as the operating planet. > > 3. I use the daily transits (viewed from the rising sign or ascendant) to verify and predict significant events. > > Best wishes, > > David Hawthorne > Fairfield, Iowa USA > - > Suneel Hooda > > Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:35 AM > DISCUSSION OF DASAS > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab > some coffee and read on... > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art as > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use > personally, > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate > them - so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's > usage popularity > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived to > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern India > because it consistently works! > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play > out their role in life in the following order- > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post > a section on it. > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its > usage, and it works brilliantly. > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the effects > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. > > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) > > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some hints- > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the > results are often "life altering" like a major change of > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being > shared with many people. > > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not > very time sensitive. > > Read parashar & stick with that approach - a planet in Kendra/kona /-- > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. > > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use > in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 On 12/4/06, Suneel Hooda <suneelhooda (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > hi David, thanks for your reply, you got me really curious now, > > I am interested to know more about your experiences with using the > ascendent as the primary point to see transits, cause i have been > using the birth moon as the point of reference. > > So could your pleez elaborate a little on this, like do use the > transits of planets over the asc. or in certain houses from it or > aspects formed to the asc. etc. > > Thanks so much ! > > Suneel > Los Angeles, CA > Why transits only from the natal Moon?? I use transits from lagna, Moon, navamsa lagna and navamsa Moon for myself - for those willing to pay, from other D-charts as well If one just used logic, you'd eliminate the effect of transits from merely either of Moon or lagna - the world doesn't exactly consist of swathes of people bunched in multiples of twelve. Transits are more or less a superimposition of the present map of the sky on your natal map. Cheers, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing your learned views on this topic, I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its available for free download), does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different ways to calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as Santhanam used it. Regards, Suneel hooda , "suniljohn_2002" <suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > Om Datta Guru > > Hi, > > Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as [sunil]: > > > , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@ > wrote: > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab > > some coffee and read on... > > > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art as > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use > > personally, > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate > > them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a > dasa's > > usage popularity > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived to > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern India > > because it consistently works! > > > > > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play > > out their role in life in the following order- > > > > > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post > > a section on it. > > > > [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring this dasa is > non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this since if > time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT IS , that is > if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic manner e.g > Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it quickly in few > secs I use it this way > > Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years): > > Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12 > Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17 > Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26 > Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05 > > Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity > > Ta AD: 3H - not that good > > Cn PD- again 5H > > Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has gone to self > (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the Chronic > diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc & GK- Gnati > Karaka disease giver) > > All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon Brown - his > son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis > > Gordon Brown > > Natal Chart > > February 20, 1951 > Time: 8:40:00 > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00" > Giffnock, United Kingdom > > > Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know any software > which gives that correctly. > > > > > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its > > usage, and it works brilliantly. > > > > [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe that there are > master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know simple non > confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do use the dasa > in divisional charts and it works well for me > > I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has given me > inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it deep study. > But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when Moon/Sun when all > this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child but why Moon > when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children & exalted in D7 > receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do agree it is > in 4H of D7 > > In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in Nirriti > (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is the cause of > the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in one of the > posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now this 3rd child > born with Cystic Fibrosis > > > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the effects > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. > > > > > > [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get little time to > use it > > Same example of Gordon Brown > > Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis): > > Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24 > Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24 > Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17 > > VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna effecting > the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house) > > Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for child (from > 5H) > > Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children > > all indicating the EVENT > > > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) > > > > [sunil]: correct way > > I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa > > AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul): > > Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19 > Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21 > Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23 > > Moon MD is in the 5H of children > > Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H of chronic > diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic diseasegiver etc > > Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease > > All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or can happen in > this period > > ANOTHER WAY > > This I use when time permits & other things indicate > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu): > > Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05 > Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07 > Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27 > > Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the Karmic issues of > ones life, in this chart it will show the death like situation that can > happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H being the 8th > lord of chronic diseases > > So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in this chart) we > can start Vim dasa from Rahu > > Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic diseases in > D7 (Saptamsa) > > Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of diseases, & > maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of hospitals, > sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children > > Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord > > Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows chronic diseases > like cancer or death through accidents etc > > Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big disease, big time > doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars > > Regards, > > Sunil John > > Mumbai > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some hints- > > > > > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being > > shared with many people. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not > > very time sensitive. > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in Kendra/kona > /-- > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. > > > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. > > > > > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Dear Sunil. I use Vimsottari, Narayana and trasit- For Vimsottari I've found one opinion that AD effects dominate MD, true. Some astrol. use only AD for that reason. In Narayana: MD is the boss and AD plays its role in MD framework. Transits are very powerful- I use Shoola and Moola dasa sometimes, and experiment with some other . Regards, Anna David Hawthorne <david (AT) iipa (DOT) net> wrote: dear suneel.... thank you for your post on this subject. in response to your request to let us know what dashas we use: my choice is the vimshottari dasha system. 1. I use the mahadasha (main period) ruler as the general trend (or river bed of time). 2. I use the antardasha (sub period) ruler as the operating planet. 3. I use the daily transits (viewed from the rising sign or ascendant) to verify and predict significant events. Best wishes, David Hawthorne Fairfield, Iowa USA - Suneel Hooda Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:35 AM DISCUSSION OF DASAS Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab some coffee and read on... Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art as soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use personally, The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate them - so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's usage popularity The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived to this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern India because it consistently works! In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play out their role in life in the following order- 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post a section on it. 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its usage, and it works brilliantly. 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the effects of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some hints- 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the results are often "life altering" like a major change of place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being shared with many people. 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not very time sensitive. Read parashar & stick with that approach - a planet in Kendra/kona /-- - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, events like minor accidents, disappointments, new friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Dear Chandrashekhar, Good point! "Many a > times the reason of accuracy of time is advanced to cover up wrong timing." I've also noticed that- TOB corrections used sooo frivolously to suit the event, prediction.. Regards, Anna Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Dear Suneelji, I too look at transits from all angles. For instance, Saturn would be crossing my Mars and Rahu (In deep conjunction) in Leo,in the ascendant, in a few months, and am waiting for that period to pass by, so can breath a sigh of relief. Also from the Moon, (My Moon is in Sagittarius)- waiting for the ashtama Saturn to get out of its 2.5 years Dhaiyya. Also look from the Natal position of the planets, for ex. Saturn coming in 8th from its own Natal position brings Bhagyodaya to a native. So am also waiting to appear in my case shortly. My Saturn is in Capricorn. Thus I see transits from Ascendant,Moona and Natal positions. Aspects is another chapter which is bit long. Thanks, Bhaskar. , "Suneel Hooda" <suneelhooda wrote: > > hi David, thanks for your reply, you got me really curious now, > > I am interested to know more about your experiences with using the > ascendent as the primary point to see transits, cause i have been > using the birth moon as the point of reference. > > So could your pleez elaborate a little on this, like do use the > transits of planets over the asc. or in certain houses from it or > aspects formed to the asc. etc. > > Thanks so much ! > > Suneel > Los Angeles, CA > > > > > > > > > > , "David Hawthorne" <david@> > wrote: > > > > dear suneel.... > > > > thank you for your post on this subject. > > > > in response to your request to let us know what dashas we use: > > > > my choice is the vimshottari dasha system. > > > > 1. I use the mahadasha (main period) ruler as the general trend > (or river bed of time). > > > > 2. I use the antardasha (sub period) ruler as the operating planet. > > > > 3. I use the daily transits (viewed from the rising sign or > ascendant) to verify and predict significant events. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > David Hawthorne > > Fairfield, Iowa USA > > - > > Suneel Hooda > > > > Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:35 AM > > DISCUSSION OF DASAS > > > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, > grab > > some coffee and read on... > > > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this > art as > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with > most > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use > > personally, > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear > as > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would > rate > > them - so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a > dasa's > > usage popularity > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore > survived to > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system > fell > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to > apply > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though > not > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern > India > > because it consistently works! > > > > > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that > play > > out their role in life in the following order- > > > > > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what > gives > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very > unique > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if > I > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used > is > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. > The > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will > post > > a section on it. > > > > > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't > to > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I > know > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes > its > > usage, and it works brilliantly. > > > > > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the > effects > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling > yogini > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take > yogini > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time > comes. > > > > > > > > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, > it > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some > hints- > > > > > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing > is > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being > > shared with many people. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that > the > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people > who > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not > > very time sensitive. > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach - a planet in > Kendra/kona /-- > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 > th/9th > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based > on > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in > mind, > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. > > > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with > most > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other > yogini > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. > > > > > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you > use > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Dear Sunil, I know that. It was force of habit that made me type Sunil. I hope he does not mind. Chandrashekhar. suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > Om Datta Guru > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > I think the name of the man who posted is Suneel (not Sunil), thought > would kindly point that out. > > u wrote > > > science if I do not state what I feel about things astrological. Many > a > > times the reason of accuracy of time is advanced to cover up wrong > timing. > > > > U are 100% right in the statement, the time of birth accuracy issue has > been so so bloated that I have seen 'Chart Repairing' been done when not > needed at all. Its like my PC Engineer comes and formats my PC every 2 > months & now there is more problem due to it. Sadly this time of birth > accuracy issue spoils Jyotish studies of many a students like us in the > initial years, is my experience. > > I have a friend who at the first instance says time of birth might be > wrong or questions the accuracy of it, for every chart without seeing > the events. Its like The Johnny Lever Character of Baazigar 'Sabpe > Shaack Karta hain' (always suspecting everyone or accuracy of every > chart) > > Thought would add some humor to the dry list. > > Sunil > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > I prefer use of Vimshottari dasha, though I also use Kalachakra Dasha > > for confirmation, when in doubt as to the bhava whose effects a planet > > is likely to give at a certain point of time. > > > > Personally, I think too much is made of the requirement of very > accurate > > time of birth for Kalachakra dasha. If the time is to be accurate it > is > > for all dashas and not only Kalachakra Dasha. Like Vimshottari KCD is > > also a nakshatra Dasha which is a very powerful tool in the hands of > the > > knowledgeable. > > > > I know what I am going say will hurt many, but believe me that is not > my > > intention. At my age I think I would be doing a disservice to the > > science if I do not state what I feel about things astrological. Many > a > > times the reason of accuracy of time is advanced to cover up wrong > timing. > > > > Of course this is my personal opinion and others more learned than me > > might hold a different view. So this is the only comment I shall make > on > > this subject. > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Suneel Hooda wrote: > > > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab > > > some coffee and read on... > > > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive > > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art > as > > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most > > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use > > > personally, > > > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as > > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate > > > them -- so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's > > > usage popularity > > > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived > to > > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell > > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply > > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not > > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern > India > > > because it consistently works! > > > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play > > > out their role in life in the following order- > > > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how > > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate > > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing > > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives > > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique > > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I > > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is > > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The > > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post > > > a section on it. > > > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to > > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I > know > > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it > > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes > its > > > usage, and it works brilliantly. > > > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the > effects > > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling > yogini > > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini > > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each > > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. > > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO > > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, > > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) > > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it > > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some > hints- > > > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the > > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of > > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. > > > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is > > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being > > > shared with many people. > > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of > > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the > > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people > who > > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not > > > very time sensitive. > > > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach -- a planet in Kendra/kona > /-- > > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by > > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th > > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on > > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. > > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, > > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new > > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most > > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini > > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. > > > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use > > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.0/557 - Release Date: > 11/29/2006 4:15 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 dear suneel: thank you for your reply and inquiry. i simply overlay the daily transits on the natal chart, with reference to the ascendant only. let's say, for example, the rising sign is leo..... currently saturn is transiting leo, so i would place it in the first house. if, on the other hand, the rising sign were aquarius, then saturn would be transiting the seventh house. it is then useful to see the interaction between the natal planets and the transit planets, including aspects and conjunctions. okay, i hope these points are helpful. david hawthorne - Suneel Hooda Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:23 PM Re: DISCUSSION OF DASAS hi David, thanks for your reply, you got me really curious now, I am interested to know more about your experiences with using the ascendent as the primary point to see transits, cause i have been using the birth moon as the point of reference. So could your pleez elaborate a little on this, like do use the transits of planets over the asc. or in certain houses from it or aspects formed to the asc. etc. Thanks so much ! Suneel Los Angeles, CA , "David Hawthorne" <david wrote: > > dear suneel.... > > thank you for your post on this subject. > > in response to your request to let us know what dashas we use: > > my choice is the vimshottari dasha system. > > 1. I use the mahadasha (main period) ruler as the general trend (or river bed of time). > > 2. I use the antardasha (sub period) ruler as the operating planet. > > 3. I use the daily transits (viewed from the rising sign or ascendant) to verify and predict significant events. > > Best wishes, > > David Hawthorne > Fairfield, Iowa USA > - > Suneel Hooda > > Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:35 AM > DISCUSSION OF DASAS > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab > some coffee and read on... > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art as > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use > personally, > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate > them - so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's > usage popularity > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived to > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern India > because it consistently works! > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play > out their role in life in the following order- > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post > a section on it. > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its > usage, and it works brilliantly. > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the effects > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. > > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) > > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some hints- > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the > results are often "life altering" like a major change of > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being > shared with many people. > > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not > very time sensitive. > > Read parashar & stick with that approach - a planet in Kendra/kona /-- > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. > > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use > in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Om Datta Guru CS, I am sure he doesn't best SJ , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > I know that. It was force of habit that made me type Sunil. I hope he > does not mind. > > Chandrashekhar. > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > I think the name of the man who posted is Suneel (not Sunil), thought > > would kindly point that out. > > > > u wrote > > > > > science if I do not state what I feel about things astrological. Many > > a > > > times the reason of accuracy of time is advanced to cover up wrong > > timing. > > > > > > > U are 100% right in the statement, the time of birth accuracy issue has > > been so so bloated that I have seen 'Chart Repairing' been done when not > > needed at all. Its like my PC Engineer comes and formats my PC every 2 > > months & now there is more problem due to it. Sadly this time of birth > > accuracy issue spoils Jyotish studies of many a students like us in the > > initial years, is my experience. > > > > I have a friend who at the first instance says time of birth might be > > wrong or questions the accuracy of it, for every chart without seeing > > the events. Its like The Johnny Lever Character of Baazigar 'Sabpe > > Shaack Karta hain' (always suspecting everyone or accuracy of every > > chart) > > > > Thought would add some humor to the dry list. > > > > Sunil > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > I prefer use of Vimshottari dasha, though I also use Kalachakra Dasha > > > for confirmation, when in doubt as to the bhava whose effects a planet > > > is likely to give at a certain point of time. > > > > > > Personally, I think too much is made of the requirement of very > > accurate > > > time of birth for Kalachakra dasha. If the time is to be accurate it > > is > > > for all dashas and not only Kalachakra Dasha. Like Vimshottari KCD is > > > also a nakshatra Dasha which is a very powerful tool in the hands of > > the > > > knowledgeable. > > > > > > I know what I am going say will hurt many, but believe me that is not > > my > > > intention. At my age I think I would be doing a disservice to the > > > science if I do not state what I feel about things astrological. Many > > a > > > times the reason of accuracy of time is advanced to cover up wrong > > timing. > > > > > > Of course this is my personal opinion and others more learned than me > > > might hold a different view. So this is the only comment I shall make > > on > > > this subject. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Suneel Hooda wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab > > > > some coffee and read on... > > > > > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive > > > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art > > as > > > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. > > > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use > > > > personally, > > > > > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as > > > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate > > > > them -- so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's > > > > usage popularity > > > > > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived > > to > > > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell > > > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply > > > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not > > > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern > > India > > > > because it consistently works! > > > > > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play > > > > out their role in life in the following order- > > > > > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how > > > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate > > > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing > > > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives > > > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique > > > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I > > > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is > > > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The > > > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post > > > > a section on it. > > > > > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to > > > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I > > know > > > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it > > > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes > > its > > > > usage, and it works brilliantly. > > > > > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the > > effects > > > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling > > yogini > > > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini > > > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each > > > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. > > > > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO > > > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, > > > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) > > > > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it > > > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some > > hints- > > > > > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the > > > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of > > > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. > > > > > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is > > > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being > > > > shared with many people. > > > > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of > > > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the > > > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people > > who > > > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not > > > > very time sensitive. > > > > > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach -- a planet in Kendra/kona > > /-- > > > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by > > > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th > > > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on > > > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. > > > > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind, > > > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new > > > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. > > > > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini > > > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. > > > > > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use > > > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.0/557 - Release Date: > > 11/29/2006 4:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Sunil, Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for many of successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve Gowda Government). Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing. Most software (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of moon / lagna (i.e. reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more correct method. For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer using Indu Lagna's lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful for materialistic gains. Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get consistent results (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding principles). Sun's transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked as favourable career period. I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very effective mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in the family. regards / Prafulla Gang People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. ************************************************ > > suniljohn_2002 > Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000 > > Transits from Arudha Asc & Indu Lagna/Suneel > > > Om Datta Guru > > Dear Suneel, > > Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer it at > all). > > I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi Avayogi & > Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite. > > Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam, then its > fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late Santhanam > tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he would make > Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa wouldn't > indicate at all or not easily. > > I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would like to > experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its not easy > since there are many special rules re it but one has to statistically > test it how much it works. > > Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL gives > job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working at > times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving job. > (there are some riders I hear) > > Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu lagna) > with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his. > > Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old jyotish > list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he uses it in a > special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise transits' > > Sunil John > > Mumbai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Suneel Hooda" <suneelhooda > wrote: >> >> >> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing your >> learned views on this topic, >> >> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its available >> for free download), >> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different ways to >> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as > Santhanam >> used it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Suneel hooda >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , "suniljohn_2002" >> suniljohn_2002@ wrote: >>> >>> >>> Om Datta Guru >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as [sunil]: >>> >>> >>> , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@ >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, > grab >>>> some coffee and read on... >>>> >>>> >>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive >>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art >> as >>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. >>>> >>>> >>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most >>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use >>>> personally, >>>> >>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear > as >>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would > rate >>>> them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a >>> dasa's >>>> usage popularity >>>> >>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived >> to >>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system > fell >>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to > apply >>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not >>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern >> India >>>> because it consistently works! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that > play >>>> out their role in life in the following order- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how >>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate >>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing >>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what > gives >>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very > unique >>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I >>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is >>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. > The >>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will > post >>>> a section on it. >>>> >>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring this dasa > is >>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this since if >>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT IS , that > is >>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic manner > e.g >>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it quickly in >> few >>> secs I use it this way >>> >>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years): >>> >>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12 >>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17 >>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26 >>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05 >>> >>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity >>> >>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good >>> >>> Cn PD- again 5H >>> >>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has gone to > self >>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the Chronic >>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc & GK- Gnati >>> Karaka disease giver) >>> >>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon Brown - > his >>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis >>> >>> Gordon Brown >>> >>> Natal Chart >>> >>> February 20, 1951 >>> Time: 8:40:00 >>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) >>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00" >>> Giffnock, United Kingdom >>> >>> >>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know any > software >>> which gives that correctly. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't > to >>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I >> know >>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it >>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes >> its >>>> usage, and it works brilliantly. >>>> >>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe that there >> are >>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know simple non >>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do use the >> dasa >>> in divisional charts and it works well for me >>> >>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has given me >>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it deep >> study. >>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when Moon/Sun when >> all >>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child but why >> Moon >>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children & exalted in > D7 >>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do agree it > is >>> in 4H of D7 >>> >>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in Nirriti >>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is the cause > of >>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in one of the >>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now this 3rd > child >>> born with Cystic Fibrosis >>> >>> >>>> >>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the >> effects >>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling >> yogini >>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take > yogini >>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each >>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes. >>>> >>>> >>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get little > time >> to >>> use it >>> >>> Same example of Gordon Brown >>> >>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis): >>> >>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24 >>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24 >>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17 >>> >>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna > effecting >>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house) >>> >>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for child > (from >>> 5H) >>> >>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children >>> >>> all indicating the EVENT >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO >>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, >>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) >>>> >>>> [sunil]: correct way >>> >>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa >>> >>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul): >>> >>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19 >>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21 >>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23 >>> >>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children >>> >>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H of > chronic >>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic diseasegiver etc >>> >>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease >>> >>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or can > happen >> in >>> this period >>> >>> ANOTHER WAY >>> >>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate >>> >>> >>> >>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu): >>> >>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05 >>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07 >>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27 >>> >>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the Karmic > issues >> of >>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like situation that >> can >>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H being the > 8th >>> lord of chronic diseases >>> >>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in this > chart) >> we >>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu >>> >>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic > diseases >> in >>> D7 (Saptamsa) >>> >>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of diseases, & >>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of hospitals, >>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children >>> >>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord >>> >>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows chronic >> diseases >>> like cancer or death through accidents etc >>> >>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big disease, big > time >>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sunil John >>> >>> Mumbai >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, > it >>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some >> hints- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the >>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of >>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. >>>> >>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing > is >>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being >>>> shared with many people. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of >>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that > the >>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people >> who >>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not >>>> very time sensitive. >>>> >>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in >> Kendra/kona >>> /-- >>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by >>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 > th/9th >>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based > on >>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in > mind, >>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new >>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most >>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini >>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you > use >>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Sunil, > 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have observed, > incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 & trine from AL, person > changed residence for job. [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it can be used consistently.. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th movement from A10 must support job related changes. > 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya transits, if possible n > time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could understand kakshya > transits due to lower intelligence I guess > [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used this long back. On Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider Kakshya. > 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological Magazine can be > calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if anyone has it in handy pls > post it otherwise i would have to search for it in the mess of my > library that it is now. [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am copying the mechanism from my library) A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the ascendant and the Moon sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the Kalas (see below) of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing the total of these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the Moon sign gives the Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the planets are as follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8; Jupiter = 10; Venus = 12; and Saturn = 1. The general principle may be further modified by taking into account the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In case both these are in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be made directly, but in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th house should be counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the ascendant is Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted directly is Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas. For Taurus as ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the reverse direction is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas. Similarly, if the natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done directly, and in the case of its being an even sign, the direction will be reversed. If the remainder in the final operation is odd, the final Indu-Lagna is counted directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its being even, the counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in the reverse direction. > 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all houses u might know that, > when I had this as a theory people here in bombay rebuffed me, later I > got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao who demonstrated it in > his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too traditional some would say > but Real Parampara I would say. > [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all houses. and it works as bhagya support factor for respective houses. I have seen this in use. > 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good work in his books, > earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it cumbersome in real > practice to the short time i get per chart [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and Shri Patel has explained this in his book. > 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that one must master (I > haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses it beautifully & > masterfully. but then he is a true master of transits, makes spectacular > prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen him fail too but > success ratio is far above those who use dasas & transits together, i > still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is traditional in his > thinking, says this is what his father taught him and he won't budge an > inch. [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits from Deve Keralam - and then seen its application successfuly, by few local astrologers. and I have observed this working with reasonable success rate. > Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know Santhanamjis family. When he > died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was collection of best nadi > techniques, which though incomplete is still in his house or computer > according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get that out I would be > most interested to see it. [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times (whenever I used to travel India), and am aware that - he was writing book on Nadi (had spoken to him few months before his death). Perhaps - he travelled to Varanasi for that only. His magazine publishing related task was then, taken over by some one else.. May be they, got hold of his unfinished works as well. After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and after shifting to India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On Nadi book / data - I will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in touch with his family. regards / Prafulla Gang People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. ************************************************ > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >> >> Dear Sunil, >> >> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for many of > successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve Gowda > Government). >> >> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing. Most software > (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of moon / lagna (i.e. > reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more correct method. > For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer using Indu Lagna's > lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful for materialistic > gains. >> >> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get consistent results > (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding principles). Sun's > transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked as favourable > career period. >> >> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very effective > mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in the family. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. >> >> ************************************************ >> >> >>> >>> suniljohn_2002 >>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000 >>> >>> Transits from Arudha Asc & Indu Lagna/Suneel >>> >>> >>> Om Datta Guru >>> >>> Dear Suneel, >>> >>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer it at >>> all). >>> >>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi Avayogi & >>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite. >>> >>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam, then > its >>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late Santhanam >>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he would > make >>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa > wouldn't >>> indicate at all or not easily. >>> >>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would like > to >>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its not > easy >>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to > statistically >>> test it how much it works. >>> >>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL > gives >>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working at >>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving job. >>> (there are some riders I hear) >>> >>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu > lagna) >>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his. >>> >>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old > jyotish >>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he uses it > in a >>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise > transits' >>> >>> Sunil John >>> >>> Mumbai >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@ >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing your >>>> learned views on this topic, >>>> >>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its > available >>>> for free download), >>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different ways to >>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as >>> Santhanam >>>> used it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Suneel hooda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> , "suniljohn_2002" >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Om Datta Guru >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as [sunil]: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@ >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, >>> grab >>>>>> some coffee and read on... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive >>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this > art >>>> as >>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with > most >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use >>>>>> personally, >>>>>> >>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear >>> as >>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would >>> rate >>>>>> them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a >>>>> dasa's >>>>>> usage popularity >>>>>> >>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore > survived >>>> to >>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system >>> fell >>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to >>> apply >>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though > not >>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern >>>> India >>>>>> because it consistently works! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that >>> play >>>>>> out their role in life in the following order- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how >>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate >>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing >>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what >>> gives >>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very >>> unique >>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if > I >>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used > is >>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. >>> The >>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will >>> post >>>>>> a section on it. >>>>>> >>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring this dasa >>> is >>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this since > if >>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT IS , > that >>> is >>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic manner >>> e.g >>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it quickly > in >>>> few >>>>> secs I use it this way >>>>> >>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years): >>>>> >>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12 >>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17 >>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26 >>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05 >>>>> >>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity >>>>> >>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good >>>>> >>>>> Cn PD- again 5H >>>>> >>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has gone to >>> self >>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the > Chronic >>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc & GK- > Gnati >>>>> Karaka disease giver) >>>>> >>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon Brown - >>> his >>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis >>>>> >>>>> Gordon Brown >>>>> >>>>> Natal Chart >>>>> >>>>> February 20, 1951 >>>>> Time: 8:40:00 >>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) >>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00" >>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know any >>> software >>>>> which gives that correctly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't >>> to >>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I >>>> know >>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it >>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes >>>> its >>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly. >>>>>> >>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe that > there >>>> are >>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know simple non >>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do use > the >>>> dasa >>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me >>>>> >>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has given > me >>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it deep >>>> study. >>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when Moon/Sun > when >>>> all >>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child but why >>>> Moon >>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children & exalted > in >>> D7 >>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do agree > it >>> is >>>>> in 4H of D7 >>>>> >>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in Nirriti >>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is the > cause >>> of >>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in one of > the >>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now this 3rd >>> child >>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the >>>> effects >>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling >>>> yogini >>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take >>> yogini >>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each >>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time > comes. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get little >>> time >>>> to >>>>> use it >>>>> >>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown >>>>> >>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis): >>>>> >>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24 >>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24 >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17 >>>>> >>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna >>> effecting >>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house) >>>>> >>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for child >>> (from >>>>> 5H) >>>>> >>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children >>>>> >>>>> all indicating the EVENT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO >>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, >>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) >>>>>> >>>>>> [sunil]: correct way >>>>> >>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa >>>>> >>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul): >>>>> >>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19 >>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21 >>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23 >>>>> >>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children >>>>> >>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H of >>> chronic >>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic diseasegiver etc >>>>> >>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease >>>>> >>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or can >>> happen >>>> in >>>>> this period >>>>> >>>>> ANOTHER WAY >>>>> >>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu): >>>>> >>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05 >>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07 >>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27 >>>>> >>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the Karmic >>> issues >>>> of >>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like situation > that >>>> can >>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H being the >>> 8th >>>>> lord of chronic diseases >>>>> >>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in this >>> chart) >>>> we >>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu >>>>> >>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic >>> diseases >>>> in >>>>> D7 (Saptamsa) >>>>> >>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of diseases, > & >>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of hospitals, >>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children >>>>> >>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord >>>>> >>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows chronic >>>> diseases >>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc >>>>> >>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big disease, big >>> time >>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Sunil John >>>>> >>>>> Mumbai >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, >>> it >>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some >>>> hints- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the >>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of >>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing >>> is >>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being >>>>>> shared with many people. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of >>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that >>> the >>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people >>>> who >>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not >>>>>> very time sensitive. >>>>>> >>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in >>>> Kendra/kona >>>>> /-- >>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by >>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 >>> th/9th >>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based >>> on >>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in >>> mind, >>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new >>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with > most >>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other > yogini >>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you >>> use >>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Dear Members, Thanks Sunil, for elaborating the significance of D9 and transit from there.. > 1) The IL calculation that u wrote is what I read in that article, > vaguely I remember thanks for sharing. You were referring the article of MS Mehta. I recall another research paper on Indu lagna, by BVP member. Interestingly, strong malefic (exalted perhaps) boosts the wealth. I am curious to understand here- if strong "krur" planets are referred or strong "ashubha". and should we take functional malefic (ashubha) from lagna or Indu Lagna. Rationally speaking (in my limited understanding), it can not be functional malefic. > Conclusion From Above Verses > 1) Ancient texts sanction us to use Divisional Transits can be > strongly accepted or worse loosely accepted Oh yes. D9 (and others) can certainly be applied with reasonable success. At some place in Deva Keralam, suggested that shani's transit should be considered from Navamsa moon (for sade sati purpose). It makes sense, as many traditional astrologers believe that - in sade sati - shani freezes the bhagya (dasha phal - as moon driven dasha are shadowed by shani) and native can still achieve (whatever) with his efforts (karma). Navamsa primarily represents bhagya, - so why not from Navamsa Moon. Some of the astrologers, do not consider dasha phal during sade sati. Though navamsa tulya rasi and rasi tulya navamsa are quite well explained by Late Santhanam ji in Deve Keralam and by Shri CS Patel ji; thoughts do come as to -why should not we consider - planet's transit in Navamsa for sade sati. regards / Prafulla Gang There are some things you learn best in calm, and some in storm. ************************************************ > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >> >> Dear Sunil, >> >>> 1) Yes trines to A10 gives job is also what I have observed, >>> incidentally in one case it was 4th from A10 & trine from AL, person >>> changed residence for job. >> >> [Prafulla] I will observe it and try to see, if it can be used > consistently. Rationally speaking - 4th / 10th movement from A10 must > support job related changes. >> >> >>> 2) Re Indu lagna lord & its occupants kakshya transits, if possible > n >>> time permits pls demonstrate it, I never could understand kakshya >>> transits due to lower intelligence I guess >>> >> >> [Prafulla] I will come back on this. I read / used this long back. On > Ashtakavarga, I use KAS - which does not consider Kakshya. >> >>> 3) Indu lagna as per an old article in Astrological Magazine can be >>> calculated two ways - Parasara & Jaimini, if anyone has it in handy > pls >>> post it otherwise i would have to search for it in the mess of my >>> library that it is now. >> >> [Prafulla] I follow the following method - (am copying the mechanism > from my library) >> >> A sensitive point in a horoscope based on the ascendant and the Moon > sign. Counting ninth from both of these and adding the Kalas (see below) > of the lords of the sign thus arrived at, and dividing the total of > these two by 12, and the remainder when added to the Moon sign gives the > Indu Lagna. For this calculation, the Kalas for the planets are as > follows: Sun = 30; Moon = 16; Mars = 6; Mercury = 8; Jupiter = 10; Venus > = 12; and Saturn = 1. >> >> The general principle may be further modified by taking into account > the odd and even signs of the ascendant and Moon. In case both these are > in odd signs, the counting of the ninth sign is to be made directly, but > in the case of their being even, the resultant 9th house should be > counted in the reverse direction. For example, if the ascendant is > Aries, which is an odd sign, the ninth from it counted directly is > Sagittarius whose lord is Jupiter who enjoys 10 kalas. For Taurus as > ascendant, an even sign, ninth from it counted in the reverse direction > is Virgo which is owned by Mercury having 8 Kalas. Similarly, if the > natal Moon is in an odd sign, the counting is done directly, and in the > case of its being an even sign, the direction will be reversed. If the > remainder in the final operation is odd, the final Indu-Lagna is counted > directly from the Moon sign while in the case of its being even, the > counting from the Moon for fixing the Indu Lagna is in the reverse > direction. >> >> >> >>> 4) Indu lagna also can be calculated for all houses u might know > that, >>> when I had this as a theory people here in bombay rebuffed me, later > I >>> got support in my argument from an aide of KN Rao who demonstrated > it in >>> his work, ofcourse he is from Parampara, too traditional some would > say >>> but Real Parampara I would say. >>> >> >> [Prafulla] Yes, Indu lagna can be calculated for all houses. and it > works as bhagya support factor for respective houses. I have seen this > in use. >> >>> 5) Re Krura years/months Patel saheb has done good work in his > books, >>> earlier i paid lot of attention to it but found it cumbersome in > real >>> practice to the short time i get per chart >> >> [Prafulla] Yes, Deve Keralam did prescribe it and Shri Patel has > explained this in his book. >> >>> 6) U are right Navamsa transits is something that one must master (I >>> haven't) but my Sarvatobhadra Chakra teacher uses it beautifully & >>> masterfully. but then he is a true master of transits, makes > spectacular >>> prediction only WITH TRANSITS though i have seen him fail too but >>> success ratio is far above those who use dasas & transits together, > i >>> still can't thinking of not using dasas but he is traditional in his >>> thinking, says this is what his father taught him and he won't budge > an >>> inch. >> >> [Prafulla] I got initial interest on D9 transits from Deve Keralam - > and then seen its application successfuly, by few local astrologers. and > I have observed this working with reasonable success rate. >> >> >>> Ohhh I almost forgot to ask u, would u know Santhanamjis family. > When he >>> died he was finishing a book on Nadis, which was collection of best > nadi >>> techniques, which though incomplete is still in his house or > computer >>> according to one of my mentors, if anyone can get that out I would > be >>> most interested to see it. >> >> [Prafulla] I did visit his house many times (whenever I used to travel > India), and am aware that - he was writing book on Nadi (had spoken to > him few months before his death). Perhaps - he travelled to Varanasi for > that only. His magazine publishing related task was then, taken over by > some one else. May be they, got hold of his unfinished works as well. > After his death, I did not renew TOA subscription and after shifting to > India, lost touch with jyotish to large extent. On Nadi book / data - I > will speak to one of my Delhi friend, if he is still in touch with his > family. >> >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. >> >> ************************************************ >> >> >>> , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Sunil, >>>> >>>> Yes, Late Shri Santhanam ji - used KCD effortlessly for many of >>> successful predictions (including one for Fall of Deve Gowda >>> Government). >>>> >>>> Re Indu Lagna - the computation methods are confusing. Most > software >>> (including JHora) do not consider even / odd sign of moon / lagna > (i.e. >>> reverse computation for even sign). Which one is more correct > method. >>> For transit from Indu Lagna - I recall an astrologer using Indu > Lagna's >>> lord and its occupant's kakshaya transit very fruitful for > materialistic >>> gains. >>>> >>>> Transit from AL / other padas - I could never get consistent > results >>> (perhaps for my own lack of knowledge of overriding principles). > Sun's >>> transit in trine from A10 in D10 chart is often looked as favourable >>> career period. >>>> >>>> I feel that transit from D 9 chart, is certainly a very effective >>> mode; and also to trace krur years / months for death in the family. >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you > care. >>>> >>>> ************************************************ >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> suniljohn_2002@ >>>>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:41:16 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Transits from Arudha Asc & Indu > Lagna/Suneel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Om Datta Guru >>>>> >>>>> Dear Suneel, >>>>> >>>>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer it > at >>>>> all). >>>>> >>>>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi Avayogi & >>>>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite. >>>>> >>>>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam, then >>> its >>>>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late > Santhanam >>>>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he > would >>> make >>>>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa >>> wouldn't >>>>> indicate at all or not easily. >>>>> >>>>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would > like >>> to >>>>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its > not >>> easy >>>>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to >>> statistically >>>>> test it how much it works. >>>>> >>>>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL >>> gives >>>>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working at >>>>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving > job. >>>>> (there are some riders I hear) >>>>> >>>>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu >>> lagna) >>>>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old >>> jyotish >>>>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he uses > it >>> in a >>>>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise >>> transits' >>>>> >>>>> Sunil John >>>>> >>>>> Mumbai >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@ >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing > your >>>>>> learned views on this topic, >>>>>> >>>>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its >>> available >>>>>> for free download), >>>>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different ways > to >>>>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as >>>>> Santhanam >>>>>> used it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Suneel hooda >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002" >>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Om Datta Guru >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as [sunil]: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@ >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, >>>>> grab >>>>>>>> some coffee and read on... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to > predictive >>>>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this >>> art >>>>>> as >>>>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with >>> most >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I > use >>>>>>>> personally, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like to > hear >>>>> as >>>>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would >>>>> rate >>>>>>>> them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based > on a >>>>>>> dasa's >>>>>>>> usage popularity >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore >>> survived >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system >>>>> fell >>>>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to >>>>> apply >>>>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though >>> not >>>>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern >>>>>> India >>>>>>>> because it consistently works! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that >>>>> play >>>>>>>> out their role in life in the following order- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe > how >>>>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be > accurate >>>>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing >>>>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what >>>>> gives >>>>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very >>>>> unique >>>>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, > if >>> I >>>>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used >>> is >>>>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. >>>>> The >>>>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will >>>>> post >>>>>>>> a section on it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring this > dasa >>>>> is >>>>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this > since >>> if >>>>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT IS , >>> that >>>>> is >>>>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic > manner >>>>> e.g >>>>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it quickly >>> in >>>>>> few >>>>>>> secs I use it this way >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12 >>>>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17 >>>>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26 >>>>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cn PD- again 5H >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has gone > to >>>>> self >>>>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the >>> Chronic >>>>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc & GK- >>> Gnati >>>>>>> Karaka disease giver) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon Brown > - >>>>> his >>>>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gordon Brown >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Natal Chart >>>>>>> >>>>>>> February 20, 1951 >>>>>>> Time: 8:40:00 >>>>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) >>>>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00" >>>>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know any >>>>> software >>>>>>> which gives that correctly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't > >>>>> to >>>>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. > I >>>>>> know >>>>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, > it >>>>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar > describes >>>>>> its >>>>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe that >>> there >>>>>> are >>>>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know simple > non >>>>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do use >>> the >>>>>> dasa >>>>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has given >>> me >>>>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it deep >>>>>> study. >>>>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when Moon/Sun >>> when >>>>>> all >>>>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child but > why >>>>>> Moon >>>>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children & exalted >>> in >>>>> D7 >>>>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do agree >>> it >>>>> is >>>>>>> in 4H of D7 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in > Nirriti >>>>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is the >>> cause >>>>> of >>>>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in one of >>> the >>>>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now this 3rd >>>>> child >>>>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the >>>>>> effects >>>>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling >>>>>> yogini >>>>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take >>>>> yogini >>>>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each >>>>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time >>> comes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get little >>>>> time >>>>>> to >>>>>>> use it >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24 >>>>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24 >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna >>>>> effecting >>>>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for child >>>>> (from >>>>>>> 5H) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children >>>>>>> >>>>>>> all indicating the EVENT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, > NO >>>>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM, >>>>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: correct way >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19 >>>>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21 >>>>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H of >>>>> chronic >>>>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic diseasegiver > etc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or can >>>>> happen >>>>>> in >>>>>>> this period >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ANOTHER WAY >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05 >>>>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07 >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the Karmic >>>>> issues >>>>>> of >>>>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like situation >>> that >>>>>> can >>>>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H being > the >>>>> 8th >>>>>>> lord of chronic diseases >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in this >>>>> chart) >>>>>> we >>>>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic >>>>> diseases >>>>>> in >>>>>>> D7 (Saptamsa) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of > diseases, >>> & >>>>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of > hospitals, >>>>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows chronic >>>>>> diseases >>>>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big disease, big >>>>> time >>>>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sunil John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mumbai >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three > dasas, >>>>> it >>>>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some >>>>>> hints- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and > the >>>>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of >>>>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are > seeing >>>>> is >>>>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being >>>>>>>> shared with many people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change > of >>>>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that >>>>> the >>>>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the > people >>>>>> who >>>>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is > not >>>>>>>> very time sensitive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in >>>>>> Kendra/kona >>>>>>> /-- >>>>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by >>>>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 >>>>> th/9th >>>>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results > based >>>>> on >>>>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in >>>>> mind, >>>>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new >>>>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with >>> most >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other >>> yogini >>>>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do > you >>>>> use >>>>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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