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December 3, 2006

Jagadish,

this is surely misplaced and naive view.

astrology can never give u a blow by blow or ball by ball view of ur life gives u a broad picture the finer details are scripted by Almighty in line with ones karma account brought forward and current account, good bad get adjusted astrology gives u a clue of such times where u can maxmise ur positive side and reduce ur -ve side as well,. just like traffic signals or a road map they don't cause u to move they only say if u move in his direction u get here/there,they dont take u there.

a signal also wants u to stop there sure u can bypas it and get killed or kill injure some one by violating it. is signal the cause or overlooking it?

this is like civilized society came up with some trial and error evolution and moved forward astrology too came up along with such a trend hand has broadly helped those who sought a guidance for the good of their kingdoms or teams or self.

say otherwise the social fabric of some values, morality, legal frame work, tax structures as a means of public good now are being abused and drifting back to lower civil order days. so there is chaos,a accident's, miseries too to pay for. so r the rules and the frame work responsible for it now it is the disregard to it.

if Bush spends billions of dollars on arms, than help the countries by direct aid say good food, work, education, Afghanistan, Iraq, n Korea can be heavens, instead he is borrowing 100 times more money to pay for war. or a perverted view so is the call here astrology just guides u it is up to u to listen to its voice as much as your own inner vice that checks u when u cheat ur teachers, cop,s bosses tax men, wife or husband whoever.

I did not want to make it Long and also threads are a slippery one.best wishes

prashant

Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest > wrote: That was nice.

Astrology can never go up to a certain level. It will always associate with very little people. Because Astrology is absurd. Its something which we dont need. Its better for a common human being not to know it.

Let me explain in simple way,

ASSUME THAT ALL PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD KNOW ASTROLOGY.

A person's life is already determined from his natal chart. Anyone in this world has to live his life according to natal chart. If someone tries to do something (by 3,6, 10 and 11th house) then how he can do it ?

Lets think that in a person's horoscope it is destined that he will not be a Prime Minister now this person works very Hard for being a PM. Lets assume for a second that he becomes a PM. By this way he proved wrong his natal horoscope which is impossible. Horoscopes are always right.

Now look and Gandhi and Nehru and other freedom fighter. Did they do anything for India ? Did they ? It was already predestine.

Now go further back, British looted India for 200 years. Did they do anything wrong ? It was supposed to happen and it happened.

Tendulkar and his crew makes centuries and stupid indians feel happy. Do they need to feel happy ? Does it really matters if India wins over Pakistan or Australia ?

Dont forget here, we are assuming that all people in this world know astrology.

Osho, Vivekanand, Pramhansa, Nanak, Kabir and many such so called enlightened soul came in this world. And their praise is useless because it was supposed to happen.

People will stop feeling joy and pain because things are suppose to happen that way.

Eventually it will lead to a suicidal society. People will try to escape from their horoscopes by committing suicide or by praising GOD (to get moksha). BUT HERE IS A TRAP ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WILL COMMIT SUICIDE WHOSE HOROSCOPES SHOW IT.

Lets assume that they attain moksha. BUT ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WILL GET MOKSHA WHOSE HOROSCOPES SHOW IT.

Its disgusting. Its worse than slavery. Its horrifying.

So its better to be ignorant. Sever you time on earth and go back. (isn't it sound like jail ?)

Best

Jagdish

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Just now uploaded some data to the files area.

Study the stats!

There seem to be about a billion individuals accessing internet at

this time. That is 1E09

Even if we add all the astrology fora memberships and weed out the

ones that have duplicate and triplicate memberships we will probably

come up with a number like:

1E04 and I am being generous, very generous!

Because of these 10,000 afficianados, we know that perhaps only 200

are interested overall, even in reading and responding to messages

and perhaps about 50 making some sense, oh okay maybe 100!

World's population is oh say 7 billion (7E09)

Of these 1/7th (13% or so) have access to internet (1E09)

Of those with internet access about 0.001% (someone check my math

please!) are interested in astrology, not counting the multiple

enrollments!

And ONLY about 0.00001% are actively interested in astrology, even

though half of those may be just occasional visitors just interested

in giving a 'lip' to the serious posters and then throwing a tantrum

and making a fuss and drama to quit and making work for the group

owners!

Such troublemakers would represent about 3 out of those 100 in this

sample -- or about 0.000003% of all those individuals who have access

to internet.

I think we can safely ignore them for they have no voice, or anything

to offer as has been demonstrated many times ;-)

But dear otherwise serious jyotish afficianados -- do you now realize

what a fragile and frail minority WE are!

That tiny island I keep talking about is REAL and WE/YOU are a

threatened species.

WAKE UP and count your pennies, and marbles too!!

RR

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> By common man

> By sceptics

> By scientists

> By politicians

> By businessmen

> By some villagers

> By nearly all religions and nationalities and societies

>

> While astrologers fight and push others on this tiny island that is

all

> that remains for us to set our feet on!

>

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December 3, 2006

Kumarji,

The poster is basing his entire story on two faulty premises:

a) ALL horoscope contains all that will happen in full details.

b) ALL individuals can only accomplish what is in their horoscopes,

nothing more.

It is a very sad, and limiting viewpoint of human experience and

obviously not based on the reality that astrologers study and observe.

I am sure there must be some remedy in this world for such deeply

despondant states of soul.

RR

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Jagadish,

>

> this is surely misplaced and naive view.

> astrology can never give u a blow by blow or ball by ball view of

ur life gives u a broad picture the finer details are scripted by

Almighty in line with ones karma account brought forward and current

account, good bad get adjusted astrology gives u a clue of such times

where u can maxmise ur positive side and reduce ur -ve side as well,.

just like traffic signals or a road map they don't cause u to move

they only say if u move in his direction u get here/there,they dont

take u there.

> a signal also wants u to stop there sure u can bypas it and get

killed or kill injure some one by violating it. is signal the cause

or overlooking it?

>

> this is like civilized society came up with some trial and error

evolution and moved forward astrology too came up along with such a

trend hand has broadly helped those who sought a guidance for the

good of their kingdoms or teams or self.

>

> say otherwise the social fabric of some values, morality, legal

frame work, tax structures as a means of public good now are being

abused and drifting back to lower civil order days. so there is

chaos,a accident's, miseries too to pay for. so r the rules and the

frame work responsible for it now it is the disregard to it.

>

> if Bush spends billions of dollars on arms, than help the countries

by direct aid say good food, work, education, Afghanistan, Iraq, n

Korea can be heavens, instead he is borrowing 100 times more money to

pay for war. or a perverted view so is the call here astrology just

guides u it is up to u to listen to its voice as much as your own

inner vice that checks u when u cheat ur teachers, cop,s bosses tax

men, wife or husband whoever.

>

> I did not want to make it Long and also threads are a slippery

one.best wishes

>

> prashant

>

> Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest

wrote: That was nice.

>

> Astrology can never go up to a certain level. It will always

associate with very little people. Because Astrology is absurd. Its

something which we dont need. Its better for a common human being not

to know it.

>

> Let me explain in simple way,

>

> ASSUME THAT ALL PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD KNOW ASTROLOGY.

>

> A person's life is already determined from his natal chart. Anyone

in this world has to live his life according to natal chart. If

someone tries to do something (by 3,6, 10 and 11th house) then how he

can do it ?

>

> Lets think that in a person's horoscope it is destined that he

will not be a Prime Minister now this person works very Hard for

being a PM. Lets assume for a second that he becomes a PM. By this

way he proved wrong his natal horoscope which is impossible.

Horoscopes are always right.

>

> Now look and Gandhi and Nehru and other freedom fighter. Did they

do anything for India ? Did they ? It was already predestine.

>

> Now go further back, British looted India for 200 years. Did they

do anything wrong ? It was supposed to happen and it happened.

>

> Tendulkar and his crew makes centuries and stupid indians feel

happy. Do they need to feel happy ? Does it really matters if India

wins over Pakistan or Australia ?

>

> Dont forget here, we are assuming that all people in this world

know astrology.

>

> Osho, Vivekanand, Pramhansa, Nanak, Kabir and many such so called

enlightened soul came in this world. And their praise is useless

because it was supposed to happen.

>

> People will stop feeling joy and pain because things are suppose

to happen that way.

>

> Eventually it will lead to a suicidal society. People will try to

escape from their horoscopes by committing suicide or by praising GOD

(to get moksha). BUT HERE IS A TRAP ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WILL COMMIT

SUICIDE WHOSE HOROSCOPES SHOW IT.

>

> Lets assume that they attain moksha. BUT ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WILL

GET MOKSHA WHOSE HOROSCOPES SHOW IT.

>

> Its disgusting. Its worse than slavery. Its horrifying.

>

> So its better to be ignorant. Sever you time on earth and go back.

(isn't it sound like jail ?)

>

> Best

>

> Jagdish

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

wrote: Just now uploaded some data

to the files area.

>

> Study the stats!

>

> There seem to be about a billion individuals accessing internet

at

> this time. That is 1E09

>

> Even if we add all the astrology fora memberships and weed out

the

> ones that have duplicate and triplicate memberships we will

probably

> come up with a number like:

>

> 1E04 and I am being generous, very generous!

>

> Because of these 10,000 afficianados, we know that perhaps only

200

> are interested overall, even in reading and responding to

messages

> and perhaps about 50 making some sense, oh okay maybe 100!

>

> World's population is oh say 7 billion (7E09)

> Of these 1/7th (13% or so) have access to internet (1E09)

> Of those with internet access about 0.001% (someone check my math

> please!) are interested in astrology, not counting the multiple

> enrollments!

>

> And ONLY about 0.00001% are actively interested in astrology,

even

> though half of those may be just occasional visitors just

interested

> in giving a 'lip' to the serious posters and then throwing a

tantrum

> and making a fuss and drama to quit and making work for the group

> owners!

>

> Such troublemakers would represent about 3 out of those 100 in

this

> sample -- or about 0.000003% of all those individuals who have

access

> to internet.

>

> I think we can safely ignore them for they have no voice, or

anything

> to offer as has been demonstrated many times ;-)

>

> But dear otherwise serious jyotish afficianados -- do you now

realize

> what a fragile and frail minority WE are!

>

> That tiny island I keep talking about is REAL and WE/YOU are a

> threatened species.

>

> WAKE UP and count your pennies, and marbles too!!

>

> RR

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > By common man

> > By sceptics

> > By scientists

> > By politicians

> > By businessmen

> > By some villagers

> > By nearly all religions and nationalities and societies

> >

> > While astrologers fight and push others on this tiny island

that is

> all

> > that remains for us to set our feet on!

> >

>

> Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask

your question on Answers.

>

December 3, 2006

Respected Sir

I still do believe that everything is predestine. Couple of months ago i put my horoscope in front of famous astrologers. I did not say anything about myself. They predicted so perfectly about me.

Recently i lost the Job. I asked Prashant Ji that when will i start earning. He said from 5th of December.

AND GUESS WHAT TOMORROW (4TH OF DECEMBER) I AM GOING TO GET MY PAY-CHECK !!!

So was it me who looked for the job and then got a job and then started getting salary or it was just predestine and was decoded by Prashant Ji ???

Along with this, I have couple of friends who have visited Nadi-Shastra Jyotish. They read the leaf and predicted with 100 % of accuracy.

Does not indicated that whatever has to happen will happen ?

My Despondent state of soul is the product of accurate astrology.

This is the reason i believe that all people should NOT know astrology, SPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE.

Astrology is disgusting.

Be on lighter side, If you guys have seen the first part of the movie - Matrix then you may remember the scene when Morpheus tells Neo about the real world and then he starts vomiting.

Astrology is also same. Its so accurate and disgusting.

Best

Jagdish

Best

Jagdish

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Kumarji,

The poster is basing his entire story on two faulty premises:

a) ALL horoscope contains all that will happen in full details.

b) ALL individuals can only accomplish what is in their horoscopes,

nothing more.

It is a very sad, and limiting viewpoint of human experience and

obviously not based on the reality that astrologers study and observe.

I am sure there must be some remedy in this world for such deeply

despondant states of soul.

RR

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Jagadish,

>

> this is surely misplaced and naive view.

> astrology can never give u a blow by blow or ball by ball view of

ur life gives u a broad picture the finer details are scripted by

Almighty in line with ones karma account brought forward and current

account, good bad get adjusted astrology gives u a clue of such times

where u can maxmise ur positive side and reduce ur -ve side as well,.

just like traffic signals or a road map they don't cause u to move

they only say if u move in his direction u get here/there,they dont

take u there.

> a signal also wants u to stop there sure u can bypas it and get

killed or kill injure some one by violating it. is signal the cause

or overlooking it?

>

> this is like civilized society came up with some trial and error

evolution and moved forward astrology too came up along with such a

trend hand has broadly helped those who sought a guidance for the

good of their kingdoms or teams or self.

>

> say otherwise the social fabric of some values, morality, legal

frame work, tax structures as a means of public good now are being

abused and drifting back to lower civil order days. so there is

chaos,a accident's, miseries too to pay for. so r the rules and the

frame work responsible for it now it is the disregard to it.

>

> if Bush spends billions of dollars on arms, than help the countries

by direct aid say good food, work, education, Afghanistan, Iraq, n

Korea can be heavens, instead he is borrowing 100 times more money to

pay for war. or a perverted view so is the call here astrology just

guides u it is up to u to listen to its voice as much as your own

inner vice that checks u when u cheat ur teachers, cop,s bosses tax

men, wife or husband whoever.

>

> I did not want to make it Long and also threads are a slippery

one.best wishes

>

> prashant

>

> Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest

wrote: That was nice.

>

> Astrology can never go up to a certain level. It will always

associate with very little people. Because Astrology is absurd. Its

something which we dont need. Its better for a common human being not

to know it.

>

> Let me explain in simple way,

>

> ASSUME THAT ALL PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD KNOW ASTROLOGY.

>

> A person's life is already determined from his natal chart. Anyone

in this world has to live his life according to natal chart. If

someone tries to do something (by 3,6, 10 and 11th house) then how he

can do it ?

>

> Lets think that in a person's horoscope it is destined that he

will not be a Prime Minister now this person works very Hard for

being a PM. Lets assume for a second that he becomes a PM. By this

way he proved wrong his natal horoscope which is impossible.

Horoscopes are always right.

>

> Now look and Gandhi and Nehru and other freedom fighter. Did they

do anything for India ? Did they ? It was already predestine.

>

> Now go further back, British looted India for 200 years. Did they

do anything wrong ? It was supposed to happen and it happened.

>

> Tendulkar and his crew makes centuries and stupid indians feel

happy. Do they need to feel happy ? Does it really matters if India

wins over Pakistan or Australia ?

>

> Dont forget here, we are assuming that all people in this world

know astrology.

>

> Osho, Vivekanand, Pramhansa, Nanak, Kabir and many such so called

enlightened soul came in this world. And their praise is useless

because it was supposed to happen.

>

> People will stop feeling joy and pain because things are suppose

to happen that way.

>

> Eventually it will lead to a suicidal society. People will try to

escape from their horoscopes by committing suicide or by praising GOD

(to get moksha). BUT HERE IS A TRAP ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WILL COMMIT

SUICIDE WHOSE HOROSCOPES SHOW IT.

>

> Lets assume that they attain moksha. BUT ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WILL

GET MOKSHA WHOSE HOROSCOPES SHOW IT.

>

> Its disgusting. Its worse than slavery. Its horrifying.

>

> So its better to be ignorant. Sever you time on earth and go back.

(isn't it sound like jail ?)

>

> Best

>

> Jagdish

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

wrote: Just now uploaded some data

to the files area.

>

> Study the stats!

>

> There seem to be about a billion individuals accessing internet

at

> this time. That is 1E09

>

> Even if we add all the astrology fora memberships and weed out

the

> ones that have duplicate and triplicate memberships we will

probably

> come up with a number like:

>

> 1E04 and I am being generous, very generous!

>

> Because of these 10,000 afficianados, we know that perhaps only

200

> are interested overall, even in reading and responding to

messages

> and perhaps about 50 making some sense, oh okay maybe 100!

>

> World's population is oh say 7 billion (7E09)

> Of these 1/7th (13% or so) have access to internet (1E09)

> Of those with internet access about 0.001% (someone check my math

> please!) are interested in astrology, not counting the multiple

> enrollments!

>

> And ONLY about 0.00001% are actively interested in astrology,

even

> though half of those may be just occasional visitors just

interested

> in giving a 'lip' to the serious posters and then throwing a

tantrum

> and making a fuss and drama to quit and making work for the group

> owners!

>

> Such troublemakers would represent about 3 out of those 100 in

this

> sample -- or about 0.000003% of all those individuals who have

access

> to internet.

>

> I think we can safely ignore them for they have no voice, or

anything

> to offer as has been demonstrated many times ;-)

>

> But dear otherwise serious jyotish afficianados -- do you now

realize

> what a fragile and frail minority WE are!

>

> That tiny island I keep talking about is REAL and WE/YOU are a

> threatened species.

>

> WAKE UP and count your pennies, and marbles too!!

>

> RR

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > By common man

> > By sceptics

> > By scientists

> > By politicians

> > By businessmen

> > By some villagers

> > By nearly all religions and nationalities and societies

> >

> > While astrologers fight and push others on this tiny island

that is

> all

> > that remains for us to set our feet on!

> >

>

> Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask

your question on Answers.

>

December 3, 2006

Just one example,

Book

"Learn Successful Predictive Techniques of Hindu Astrology" by K. N. Rao

Topic: Mr. Nagendra Singh.

Page Number 60

Point 3 in that page.

A wonder boy predicted that Mr. Nagendra Singh will get elected for

"Judge" post. He will stay in that position for 7 years.

The position is for 9 years. So legally he should stay for 9 years. It

appears that the wonder boy made a wrong prediction.

BUT

Mr. Nagendra Singh died after 7 years.

I have hundreds of examples like this.

It again proved that there is nothing in humans hand.

Whatever is in the horoscope will happen. And then people are STUPID

but this stupidity is good at least they are comfortable. If they will

know the accuracy of astrology then many will go insane.

Why do you want to spread astrology, RR Ji ?

Best

Jagdish

December 3, 2006

Dear Jagdish

I find your perception of Jyotish to be fascinating, although

somewhat pessimistic!

Indeed the tools of jyotish in the hands of those able to utilise

them to thier potential are immensley powerful- but very few such

Jyotishis exist, and even if jyotish was to reaveal ones fate the

faith required to persist with a dilligent effort in altering it

exceeds the capacity of most mortals.

Just as very few attain moksha/salvation, despite the shastras

prescribing clear guidelines regarding the manner in which to

perform karmas and devote life to God. Faith here despite an acute

awareness of the accuarcy and validity of spiritual science(and the

reactions that one must suffer from negative karmas) is not powerful

enough to prevent rebirth for the majority.

>From what you are saying any doctrine that deals with karmas,

destiny, fate and re-birth is 'disgusting' but then this is reality

as it is, how it was and how it always will be. Efforts to spread

such models of fate are counterted by the force of maya, which , in

the age of Kali will prove victorious.

So insanity for the world's populace in the context you have

mentioned is an impossiblity.

Insanity where life is lived simply for the immedaite short term(

i.e this life) for the pleasure of the sensnes and solely for the

upkeep of the family, howver, is prevelant.

, "upaoakcrest"

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> Just one example,

>

> Book

>

> "Learn Successful Predictive Techniques of Hindu Astrology" by K.

N. Rao

>

> Topic: Mr. Nagendra Singh.

>

> Page Number 60

>

> Point 3 in that page.

>

> A wonder boy predicted that Mr. Nagendra Singh will get elected for

> "Judge" post. He will stay in that position for 7 years.

>

> The position is for 9 years. So legally he should stay for 9

years. It

> appears that the wonder boy made a wrong prediction.

>

> BUT

>

> Mr. Nagendra Singh died after 7 years.

>

> I have hundreds of examples like this.

>

> It again proved that there is nothing in humans hand.

>

> Whatever is in the horoscope will happen. And then people are

STUPID

> but this stupidity is good at least they are comfortable. If they

will

> know the accuracy of astrology then many will go insane.

>

> Why do you want to spread astrology, RR Ji ?

>

> Best

>

> Jagdish

>

December 4, 2006

What gave you the idea that I want to 'spread' astrology :-)

RR

, "upaoakcrest"

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> Just one example,

>

> Book

>

> "Learn Successful Predictive Techniques of Hindu Astrology" by K.

N. Rao

>

> Topic: Mr. Nagendra Singh.

>

> Page Number 60

>

> Point 3 in that page.

>

> A wonder boy predicted that Mr. Nagendra Singh will get elected for

> "Judge" post. He will stay in that position for 7 years.

>

> The position is for 9 years. So legally he should stay for 9 years.

It

> appears that the wonder boy made a wrong prediction.

>

> BUT

>

> Mr. Nagendra Singh died after 7 years.

>

> I have hundreds of examples like this.

>

> It again proved that there is nothing in humans hand.

>

> Whatever is in the horoscope will happen. And then people are STUPID

> but this stupidity is good at least they are comfortable. If they

will

> know the accuracy of astrology then many will go insane.

>

> Why do you want to spread astrology, RR Ji ?

>

> Best

>

> Jagdish

>

December 4, 2006

Respected Sir

You are so right.

Now at least you can understand that why Astrology is absurd and useless after a point.

Thanks for that.

Regarding Pessimism, its the outcome of my horoscope. I am a slave of my horoscope and suffering because of it. Some intelligent people says that horoscope is the account of your past lives' good and bad karma.

Now question comes, i am suffering because of my past life karma. But still i dont know what were those karma ? I am being punished through my horoscope for those sins/crimes which i am not aware of.

In U.S. , a person cant be executed if he is not aware of his crimes. I am not aware of my past life crime/sins yet i am being executed.

Isn't God (if exist), a psychopath ?

Best

Jagdish

atma_gnan <atma_gnan > wrote: Dear Jagdish

I find your perception of Jyotish to be fascinating, although

somewhat pessimistic!

Indeed the tools of jyotish in the hands of those able to utilise

them to thier potential are immensley powerful- but very few such

Jyotishis exist, and even if jyotish was to reaveal ones fate the

faith required to persist with a dilligent effort in altering it

exceeds the capacity of most mortals.

Just as very few attain moksha/salvation, despite the shastras

prescribing clear guidelines regarding the manner in which to

perform karmas and devote life to God. Faith here despite an acute

awareness of the accuarcy and validity of spiritual science(and the

reactions that one must suffer from negative karmas) is not powerful

enough to prevent rebirth for the majority.

From what you are saying any doctrine that deals with karmas,

destiny, fate and re-birth is 'disgusting' but then this is reality

as it is, how it was and how it always will be. Efforts to spread

such models of fate are counterted by the force of maya, which , in

the age of Kali will prove victorious.

So insanity for the world's populace in the context you have

mentioned is an impossiblity.

Insanity where life is lived simply for the immedaite short term(

i.e this life) for the pleasure of the sensnes and solely for the

upkeep of the family, howver, is prevelant.

, "upaoakcrest"

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> Just one example,

>

> Book

>

> "Learn Successful Predictive Techniques of Hindu Astrology" by K.

N. Rao

>

> Topic: Mr. Nagendra Singh.

>

> Page Number 60

>

> Point 3 in that page.

>

> A wonder boy predicted that Mr. Nagendra Singh will get elected for

> "Judge" post. He will stay in that position for 7 years.

>

> The position is for 9 years. So legally he should stay for 9

years. It

> appears that the wonder boy made a wrong prediction.

>

> BUT

>

> Mr. Nagendra Singh died after 7 years.

>

> I have hundreds of examples like this.

>

> It again proved that there is nothing in humans hand.

>

> Whatever is in the horoscope will happen. And then people are

STUPID

> but this stupidity is good at least they are comfortable. If they

will

> know the accuracy of astrology then many will go insane.

>

> Why do you want to spread astrology, RR Ji ?

>

> Best

>

> Jagdish

>

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December 4, 2006

dear Mr.jagadish,

I have been reading the mails on the above topic. It

appears that u have given ur views in a most explosive

manner. All of us have to accept that every individual

cannot be a doctor, computer specialist, legal

luminary, or scientist or masters/rulers of the

country. Similairly astrology is just a branch which

deals with the effect of celestial bodies on this

planet and only people who have a passion for it

specialises or some enters into this ocean of divine

knowledge to get a feel of it. Coming to the

predictions given by Sri Prashant it is good to note

that it has happened and it can happen only when ur

efforts are there and mere predictions may not yield

the results without efforts. He has given u the ideal

time for ur effort to fructify into positive results.

Finally every human being lives on hopes and when

failures in life crushes him he clings to some branch

where he can rescue himself and minimise the damage

and sometimes that branch becomes learned astrologers.

Even a non believer of astrology will like to know abt

his future because there is always a constant fear

which is deep seated in the minds of every human. If

this fear isnt there the individual becomes a demon.

finally I appreciate ur outburst on the above topic, a

simple analysis will tell us that it is basically due

to sukla paksha ie today it is full moon and moon has

a greatest effect on the minds of every creature in

this planet.

good luck,

k.gopu

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December 4, 2006

lol... there is nothing like outburst. We are just having conversation where we can see beyond "Astrology"

On the other side of the astrology, its dark. Its scary.

You are right. We are scared of "Unknown" that is in future. And this is the reason we believe in God and "pray" him.

Isnt it God a "demon" because you never know when he will show his wrath on you ? There is no security in life. You are walking down the street and a drunk-truck driver comes from behind and thats it.

Spend rest of life on wheel-chair. The game is over.

lol...

"May be almighty god can show mercy on we humans (rats) and we can spend next year without earthquakes, hurricanes , floods and wars"

Best

Jagdish

K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: dear Mr.jagadish,

I have been reading the mails on the above topic. It

appears that u have given ur views in a most explosive

manner. All of us have to accept that every individual

cannot be a doctor, computer specialist, legal

luminary, or scientist or masters/rulers of the

country. Similairly astrology is just a branch which

deals with the effect of celestial bodies on this

planet and only people who have a passion for it

specialises or some enters into this ocean of divine

knowledge to get a feel of it. Coming to the

predictions given by Sri Prashant it is good to note

that it has happened and it can happen only when ur

efforts are there and mere predictions may not yield

the results without efforts. He has given u the ideal

time for ur effort to fructify into positive results.

Finally every human being lives on hopes and when

failures in life crushes him he clings to some branch

where he can rescue himself and minimise the damage

and sometimes that branch becomes learned astrologers.

Even a non believer of astrology will like to know abt

his future because there is always a constant fear

which is deep seated in the minds of every human. If

this fear isnt there the individual becomes a demon.

finally I appreciate ur outburst on the above topic, a

simple analysis will tell us that it is basically due

to sukla paksha ie today it is full moon and moon has

a greatest effect on the minds of every creature in

this planet.

good luck,

k.gopu

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December 4, 2006

Hi Jagdish

than god u did not attribute astrology to killing the judge it just interpreted `his tenure' no what ever u say or quote astrology is never 100% that part is god's domain. we can come close to many not all surely the best willalso make mistakes,

I am happy that u have god a job=pay check in the time I indicated., I can also give a few of my failed ones also does that mean it was supposed to fail no probably they will get right answers from some1 destined for that to them all of this is Runa-Anubandha the pain, relief, medication or docter/astrolger builder, employer, pets, relatives, family all of which appear in the LIFE STAGE palytheir parts in the ACT, SCENE and are gone once they outlive their role here.

prashant

upaoakcrest <upaoakcrest > wrote: Just one example,

Book

"Learn Successful Predictive Techniques of Hindu Astrology" by K. N. Rao

Topic: Mr. Nagendra Singh.

Page Number 60

Point 3 in that page.

A wonder boy predicted that Mr. Nagendra Singh will get elected for

"Judge" post. He will stay in that position for 7 years.

The position is for 9 years. So legally he should stay for 9 years. It

appears that the wonder boy made a wrong prediction.

BUT

Mr. Nagendra Singh died after 7 years.

I have hundreds of examples like this.

It again proved that there is nothing in humans hand.

Whatever is in the horoscope will happen. And then people are STUPID

but this stupidity is good at least they are comfortable. If they will

know the accuracy of astrology then many will go insane.

Why do you want to spread astrology, RR Ji ?

Best

Jagdish

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December 4, 2006

To all who are discussing this example by " Jagdish " ,

I must say one thing that by giving the example of " the Judge " , Jagdish has himself Proved that the Astrology is absolutely right and Correct to its core. The " wonder Boy " Predicted the Tenure of the Judge to be 7 years and so it was. So , what is wrong with Astrology and Predictions ? If such a correct Prediction was given , then why DOUBT Astrology. Please make me Understand that. Also , from my experience with Astrology ( and I have to say that I have the Least Experience of this Science ) I can say that under such a Circumstances , after the Prediction proves right , the Family Members and the Relatives of the Person ( " the Judge " ) themselves come to the Astrologer ( " Wonder Boy " ) and Congratulate him on the Correctness of his Prediction.

As for the Death is Concerned , it is rightly said that Nobody knows the Exact time of it. Regarding the Statement " there is nothing in Human Hands " , it is very true. Over here , let me Differentiate between Astrology and Destiny / Fate ( " there is nothing in Human Hands " ). ASTROLOGY PREDICTS THE DESTINY AND DESTINY IS SOMETHING WHICH IS BOUND TO HAPPEN. DESTINY IS FUTURE AND ASTROLOGY PREDICTS THIS FUTURE ( DESTINY ).

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

What gave you the idea that I want to 'spread' astrology :-)

RR

, "upaoakcrest"

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> Just one example,

>

> Book

>

> "Learn Successful Predictive Techniques of Hindu Astrology" by K.

N. Rao

>

> Topic: Mr. Nagendra Singh.

>

> Page Number 60

>

> Point 3 in that page.

>

> A wonder boy predicted that Mr. Nagendra Singh will get elected for

> "Judge" post. He will stay in that position for 7 years.

>

> The position is for 9 years. So legally he should stay for 9 years.

It

> appears that the wonder boy made a wrong prediction.

>

> BUT

>

> Mr. Nagendra Singh died after 7 years.

>

> I have hundreds of examples like this.

>

> It again proved that there is nothing in humans hand.

>

> Whatever is in the horoscope will happen. And then people are STUPID

> but this stupidity is good at least they are comfortable. If they

will

> know the accuracy of astrology then many will go insane.

>

> Why do you want to spread astrology, RR Ji ?

>

> Best

>

> Jagdish

>

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December 4, 2006

{Om namo Narayanaya}

Dear Jagdish ji,

On the other side, the Dark side, strain your eyes and search...

Can you see the small ray of silver gilding the thunderous cloud, go

towards it, feel your way through, if you cant *see*. You will reach

it,find it and once you find it believe me nothing can ever be dark

again.

That small *ray* can dispel the darkness these mortal eyes perceive,

and it is enough to equip you for a lifetime of darkness.

Please dont ever lose faith or heart in the *LIGHT*.

BTW I did read your posts a few months ago in an other forum and can

imagine what you would have gone through... But that is for you to

emerge stronger and wiser, think of it as a part of the learning

process in *this School*, one that will hold you in stead..

Best wishes

Nalini

, Prathamesn Chawan

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> lol... there is nothing like outburst. We are just having

conversation where we can see beyond "Astrology"

>

> On the other side of the astrology, its dark. Its scary.

>

> You are right. We are scared of "Unknown" that is in future. And

this is the reason we believe in God and "pray" him.

>

> Isnt it God a "demon" because you never know when he will show his

wrath on you ? There is no security in life. You are walking down

the street and a drunk-truck driver comes from behind and thats it.

>

> Spend rest of life on wheel-chair. The game is over.

>

> lol...

>

> "May be almighty god can show mercy on we humans (rats) and we can

spend next year without earthquakes, hurricanes , floods and wars"

>

> Best

>

> Jagdish

>

> K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: dear

Mr.jagadish,

> I have been reading the mails on the above topic. It

> appears that u have given ur views in a most explosive

> manner. All of us have to accept that every individual

> cannot be a doctor, computer specialist, legal

> luminary, or scientist or masters/rulers of the

> country. Similairly astrology is just a branch which

> deals with the effect of celestial bodies on this

> planet and only people who have a passion for it

> specialises or some enters into this ocean of divine

> knowledge to get a feel of it. Coming to the

> predictions given by Sri Prashant it is good to note

> that it has happened and it can happen only when ur

> efforts are there and mere predictions may not yield

> the results without efforts. He has given u the ideal

> time for ur effort to fructify into positive results.

> Finally every human being lives on hopes and when

> failures in life crushes him he clings to some branch

> where he can rescue himself and minimise the damage

> and sometimes that branch becomes learned astrologers.

> Even a non believer of astrology will like to know abt

> his future because there is always a constant fear

> which is deep seated in the minds of every human. If

> this fear isnt there the individual becomes a demon.

> finally I appreciate ur outburst on the above topic, a

> simple analysis will tell us that it is basically due

> to sukla paksha ie today it is full moon and moon has

> a greatest effect on the minds of every creature in

> this planet.

>

> good luck,

> k.gopu

>

> ________

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

> http://new.mail.

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

>

December 5, 2006

Somewhat (hopefully!) unrelated to this conversation but just now

read #83416 on Vedic Astrology forum and beginning to wonder if you

have something there!

Mind you, the levels of language are simply incomparable -- here and

there!

Perhaps all this madness shall pass if we just let it!

RR

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear Mr.jagadish,

> I have been reading the mails on the above topic. It

> appears that u have given ur views in a most explosive

> manner. All of us have to accept that every individual

> cannot be a doctor, computer specialist, legal

> luminary, or scientist or masters/rulers of the

> country. Similairly astrology is just a branch which

> deals with the effect of celestial bodies on this

> planet and only people who have a passion for it

> specialises or some enters into this ocean of divine

> knowledge to get a feel of it. Coming to the

> predictions given by Sri Prashant it is good to note

> that it has happened and it can happen only when ur

> efforts are there and mere predictions may not yield

> the results without efforts. He has given u the ideal

> time for ur effort to fructify into positive results.

> Finally every human being lives on hopes and when

> failures in life crushes him he clings to some branch

> where he can rescue himself and minimise the damage

> and sometimes that branch becomes learned astrologers.

> Even a non believer of astrology will like to know abt

> his future because there is always a constant fear

> which is deep seated in the minds of every human. If

> this fear isnt there the individual becomes a demon.

> finally I appreciate ur outburst on the above topic, a

> simple analysis will tell us that it is basically due

> to sukla paksha ie today it is full moon and moon has

> a greatest effect on the minds of every creature in

> this planet.

>

> good luck,

> k.gopu

>

____________________

______________

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

> http://new.mail.

>

December 5, 2006

The most poignant scene in the movie Gandhi was when a hindu sufferer

comes towards him and literally throws a piece of bread at the

fasting and dying Gandhiji and says: Eat! I don't want your death on

my soul! They killed my ten year old son and so in revenge I killed a

muslim child. I crushed his head with a stone. That is going to be on

my soul forever -- I don't want your death on my soul as well!"

Gandhiji in his faint voice said: Brother, I know of a way out for

you. Find an orphaned child, a boy about 10 years old. Make sure that

he is a muslim and that you raise him to be one!

YES all of this is emotion and melodrama and does not really hit the

spot in most of our states when we are perturbed and angry and feel

we have been given the raw and rough deal (we all do!).

When we seal all the doors and windows how can the gentle and sweet

smell of rajanigandha that is right outside the sealed window come

in? Many of us can *see* it, but cannot smell it!

But, I am sure as some believe, there must be a moment when we might

be destined to smell the heavenly smell of rajanigandha in blossom,

if only we wait patiently and isn't that the whole philosophy and

belief behind the TAO principle?

Unless you have at least the memories, though vague of once being

outside the door or the window. These faint memories may be karmic

and indicative of past good deeds, but they trigger the motivation to

engage in effort, in karma of free choice and free-will!

Must be full moon -- especially when moon is exalted!

To each his own!

RR

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> {Om namo Narayanaya}

>

> Dear Jagdish ji,

>

> On the other side, the Dark side, strain your eyes and search...

> Can you see the small ray of silver gilding the thunderous cloud,

go

> towards it, feel your way through, if you cant *see*. You will

reach

> it,find it and once you find it believe me nothing can ever be dark

> again.

> That small *ray* can dispel the darkness these mortal eyes

perceive,

> and it is enough to equip you for a lifetime of darkness.

> Please dont ever lose faith or heart in the *LIGHT*.

>

> BTW I did read your posts a few months ago in an other forum and

can

> imagine what you would have gone through... But that is for you to

> emerge stronger and wiser, think of it as a part of the learning

> process in *this School*, one that will hold you in stead..

> Best wishes

> Nalini

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > lol... there is nothing like outburst. We are just having

> conversation where we can see beyond "Astrology"

> >

> > On the other side of the astrology, its dark. Its scary.

> >

> > You are right. We are scared of "Unknown" that is in future. And

> this is the reason we believe in God and "pray" him.

> >

> > Isnt it God a "demon" because you never know when he will show

his

> wrath on you ? There is no security in life. You are walking down

> the street and a drunk-truck driver comes from behind and thats it.

> >

> > Spend rest of life on wheel-chair. The game is over.

> >

> > lol...

> >

> > "May be almighty god can show mercy on we humans (rats) and we

can

> spend next year without earthquakes, hurricanes , floods and wars"

> >

> > Best

> >

> > Jagdish

> >

> > K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: dear

> Mr.jagadish,

> > I have been reading the mails on the above topic. It

> > appears that u have given ur views in a most explosive

> > manner. All of us have to accept that every individual

> > cannot be a doctor, computer specialist, legal

> > luminary, or scientist or masters/rulers of the

> > country. Similairly astrology is just a branch which

> > deals with the effect of celestial bodies on this

> > planet and only people who have a passion for it

> > specialises or some enters into this ocean of divine

> > knowledge to get a feel of it. Coming to the

> > predictions given by Sri Prashant it is good to note

> > that it has happened and it can happen only when ur

> > efforts are there and mere predictions may not yield

> > the results without efforts. He has given u the ideal

> > time for ur effort to fructify into positive results.

> > Finally every human being lives on hopes and when

> > failures in life crushes him he clings to some branch

> > where he can rescue himself and minimise the damage

> > and sometimes that branch becomes learned astrologers.

> > Even a non believer of astrology will like to know abt

> > his future because there is always a constant fear

> > which is deep seated in the minds of every human. If

> > this fear isnt there the individual becomes a demon.

> > finally I appreciate ur outburst on the above topic, a

> > simple analysis will tell us that it is basically due

> > to sukla paksha ie today it is full moon and moon has

> > a greatest effect on the minds of every creature in

> > this planet.

> >

> > good luck,

> > k.gopu

> >

> > ________

> >

> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

> > http://new.mail.

> >

> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

> >

December 5, 2006

Prakash ji,

If I may add a few thoughts. The issue as I see it is not whether

there is destiny operating or not and whether astrology can

accurately read destiny. Both are true.

But then we must dig a bit deeper and I hope my words are not taken

as sceptical or sarcastic or challenging anyone's belief or personal

experience.

The deeper part comes when (any) astrologer tries to take just one

chart and try to see all the events in that chart. Sooner or later

the realization comes that not all events fit the astrological

patterns. At this point the technical factors begin to play a role

and some begin to tweak ayanamsha and others use different factors or

perspectives or even types of divination (astrology is just one). On

the one hand, this increases the 'hits' but also bring in confounding

factors.

Then when that one expands his repertoire and begins to look at many

events or traits in many charts and tries to fit those, again it

becomes apparent that though there are many hits there are some or

even many misses. Rather than blaming the astrologer or astrology,

some individuals begin to become aware of an additional factor.

Perhaps this is why Astrologer of the stature of Shri B.V. Raman had

publicly stated that astrology is a science of tendencies. Tendency

for what? Perhaps for being responsive to destiny while not

completely absolving some degree of freedom of choice. It is true

that not all will be able to exercise the free-will as much as others

and so we can have different levels of or proportions of destiny and

free will operating in individual lives.

No one has to believe in that or accept that and if one feels that

destiny is supreme (even though today's destiny has to be a free-will

chosen deed from yesterday!) then as we can see there arises a

problem.

If we are responsible for our destiny, then at the root of it has to

be a deed which we performed by personal choice. If there was

personal choice back then when the deed was done which now we are

facing as our current destiny, then certainly there must be deeds we

are capable of doing today which will create destiny for tomorrow

(next lifetimes).

ON THE OTHER HAND, if we are not responsible for our destiny and

there is no existence of freedom of choice or free-will, then the

creation kind of loses its point and becomes chaotic. That in my view

would be taking a giant step backwards, all the way back to the caves!

RR

, Prakash Chandra

<prakashchandra2357 wrote:

>

> To all who are discussing this example by " Jagdish " ,

>

> I must say one thing that by giving the example of " the

Judge " , Jagdish has himself Proved that the Astrology is

absolutely right and Correct to its core. The " wonder Boy "

Predicted the Tenure of the Judge to be 7 years and so it was.

So , what is wrong with Astrology and Predictions ? If such a

correct Prediction was given , then why DOUBT Astrology. Please

make me Understand that. Also , from my experience with Astrology

( and I have to say that I have the Least Experience of this

Science ) I can say that under such a Circumstances , after the

Prediction proves right , the Family Members and the Relatives of the

Person ( " the Judge " ) themselves come to the Astrologer ( " Wonder

Boy " ) and Congratulate him on the Correctness of his

Prediction.

> As for the Death is Concerned , it is

rightly said that Nobody knows the Exact time of it. Regarding

the Statement " there is nothing in Human Hands " , it is very

true. Over here , let me Differentiate between Astrology and

Destiny / Fate ( " there is nothing in Human Hands " ).

ASTROLOGY PREDICTS THE DESTINY AND DESTINY IS SOMETHING WHICH IS

BOUND TO HAPPEN. DESTINY IS FUTURE AND ASTROLOGY PREDICTS THIS

FUTURE ( DESTINY ).

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

> What gave you the idea that I want to 'spread'

astrology :-)

>

> RR

>

> , "upaoakcrest"

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > Just one example,

> >

> > Book

> >

> > "Learn Successful Predictive Techniques of Hindu Astrology" by K.

> N. Rao

> >

> > Topic: Mr. Nagendra Singh.

> >

> > Page Number 60

> >

> > Point 3 in that page.

> >

> > A wonder boy predicted that Mr. Nagendra Singh will get elected

for

> > "Judge" post. He will stay in that position for 7 years.

> >

> > The position is for 9 years. So legally he should stay for 9

years.

> It

> > appears that the wonder boy made a wrong prediction.

> >

> > BUT

> >

> > Mr. Nagendra Singh died after 7 years.

> >

> > I have hundreds of examples like this.

> >

> > It again proved that there is nothing in humans hand.

> >

> > Whatever is in the horoscope will happen. And then people are

STUPID

> > but this stupidity is good at least they are comfortable. If they

> will

> > know the accuracy of astrology then many will go insane.

> >

> > Why do you want to spread astrology, RR Ji ?

> >

> > Best

> >

> > Jagdish

> >

>

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December 6, 2006

To RohiniRanjanji ,

Thank you for your Views. I have Loved Reading them. For my Ideas , I just wanted to say that Every science in this world has its Place. Whether it is AstroPhysics , Economics , Physics , etc . , they all have thier Place and Importance in this Universe and Without them , the Universe cannot move. However and But , I have always Noticed that Astrology as a Science has been given a Step ( not so Important ) Treatment. I am a Firm Believer in the Fact that every Science has Importance in Human Life and that was why it was Created. Our Ancestors made them for some Reason and worked very hard to make them and they were made for a Reason. ( Maybe , Leave on People to decide that. )

Now , for Destiny and Astrology , I have Read and thoroughly liked your Views. I specifically believe the Fact that you had written down : -------- Todays Destiny has to be the Free will of Yesterdays deeds . Ofcourse Destiny is Shaped and Formed by our Today and Yeasterdays Deeds. My Idea is that though destiny is Pre Decided and Influenced by our Today and Yesterdays Deeds , yet Astrology , in its own way , Effects Destiny by Chanellising the Todays Deeds of the Person in a Proper Direction. I think the Remedies ( as given by Astrologers ) are for making our Life Better and thus also Infuencing our Life and Destiny.

Now for Charts , I am not an Astrologer. Infact , I am answering this mail only on the Basis of my Observation of Astrology and the Behaviour of the People towards this Science. Moreover , I thought , it was a very general Example. Still , from my Little Knowledge , I can say that it takes more than one Chart to analyse any Person's Life and Ofcourse the Complications that come with Multiple Charts are a part of Astrology and Astrologers.

I also Guess that Shri B.V. Raman is Right about Astrology being the Science of Tendencies. It is the Tendency of the Human Beings to be able to control thier Destiny though also remaining Free will. And , Astrology ( As People Believe ) , helps them in doing so ( by doing Remedies for better Future and Present ).

Also , you are very right that Destiny is the Result of our Personal actions of today and my Idea is that People tend to make thier Destiny good by doing Certain Deeds in Present ( Also , they take the help of astrology in doing so ).

By the Way , RohiniRanjanji , Each word in your mail was worth Reading and had a Meaning in it. Since , I donot belong to the Field of Astrology , so it was tough for me to Understand your mail. I Hope that My Mistakes will be Forgiven and any corrections are most welcome from your Side. ( Also , I am only " 1979 : Born. Too young for all this , I guess. )

From : --------- Mukti Sood ( my Real Name ).