Discussion of Dasas/Gordon Brown Example

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Om Datta Guru

 

Hi,

 

Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as [sunil]:

 

 

, "Suneel Hooda" <suneelhooda

wrote:

>

> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back, grab

> some coffee and read on...

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>

> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive

> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art as

> soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques.

>

>

> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most

> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use

> personally,

>

> The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear as

> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate

> them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a

dasa's

> usage popularity

>

> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived to

> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system fell

> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply

> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not

> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern India

> because it consistently works!

>

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>

> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that play

> out their role in life in the following order-

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>

>

> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how

> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate

> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing

> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives

> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique

> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I

> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is

> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject. The

> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will post

> a section on it.

>

> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring this dasa is

non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this since if

time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT IS , that is

if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic manner e.g

Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it quickly in few

secs I use it this way

 

Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

 

Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

 

Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

 

Ta AD: 3H - not that good

 

Cn PD- again 5H

 

Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has gone to self

(tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the Chronic

diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc & GK- Gnati

Karaka disease giver)

 

All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon Brown - his

son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

 

Gordon Brown

 

Natal Chart

 

February 20, 1951

Time: 8:40:00

Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

Giffnock, United Kingdom

 

 

Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know any software

which gives that correctly.

 

 

 

 

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> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't to

> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know

> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it

> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its

> usage, and it works brilliantly.

>

> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe that there are

master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know simple non

confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do use the dasa

in divisional charts and it works well for me

 

I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has given me

inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it deep study.

But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when Moon/Sun when all

this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child but why Moon

when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children & exalted in D7

receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do agree it is

in 4H of D7

 

In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in Nirriti

(Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is the cause of

the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in one of the

posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now this 3rd child

born with Cystic Fibrosis

 

 

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> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the effects

> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini

> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini

> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each

> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes.

>

>

> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get little time to

use it

 

Same example of Gordon Brown

 

Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

 

Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

 

VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna effecting

the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

 

Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for child (from

5H)

 

Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

 

all indicating the EVENT

 

 

 

>

> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO

> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !)

>

> [sunil]: correct way

 

I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

 

AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

 

Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

 

Moon MD is in the 5H of children

 

Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H of chronic

diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic diseasegiver etc

 

Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

 

All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or can happen in

this period

 

ANOTHER WAY

 

This I use when time permits & other things indicate

 

 

 

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

 

Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

 

Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the Karmic issues of

ones life, in this chart it will show the death like situation that can

happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H being the 8th

lord of chronic diseases

 

So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in this chart) we

can start Vim dasa from Rahu

 

Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic diseases in

D7 (Saptamsa)

 

Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of diseases, &

maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of hospitals,

sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

 

Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

 

Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows chronic diseases

like cancer or death through accidents etc

 

Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big disease, big time

doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

 

Regards,

 

Sunil John

 

Mumbai

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas, it

> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some hints-

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> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the

> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

>

> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing is

> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being

> shared with many people.

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> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of

> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the

> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who

> are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not

> very time sensitive.

>

> Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in Kendra/kona

/--

> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5 th/9th

> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on

> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

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> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind,

> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

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>

> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most

> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini

> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently.

>

>

>

> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you use

> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

>