Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram By distributing the magazine sadhaks are doing fine job. Our group has some experiences to share and some thoughts on doing various actvities associated with spreading the message of practically useful knowlwdge of tantra,mantra and yantra. "Practically useful" is the most important aspect of this knowledge as it separates us from other spiritual organisation which emphasise on quoting from religious scriptures extensively without any clear direction of experiencing those written things practically in our lives. Religious missionaries may be using money, material benefits etc. to spread their "stamp" and one may say that they are doing "practically useful " things for the benifit of people. In a sadhana shivir we came across a sadhak, with Guru Shawl around him, who asked us "what is the going rate for this diksha" (Is diksha kaa aajkal kya rate chal raha hai). He asked this question when other sadhkas were standing in que to take diksha slip. The manner and the tone in which he asked the question left us shocked. We could hardly say that there is no price for diksha. Some sadhaks might think that he should have been strogly told to mind his mannerism and conduct as a sadhak. Taking sadhna lightly as a joke or a cheap market commodity is a common problem. This incident and many other disturbing experiences has left us thinking about this whole mentality of casualness among sadhaks. What to say about non-sadhaks? We do not have any explanation for this. Only thing which we have been able to understand is that Gurudev called all of us "siddhashram sadhak parivar" for some reason only. If only some capable and devoted sadhaks were doing sadhnas in some secluded place then this problem would not have arisen. In that case the drawback would have been quite severe as millions of other people like us would have been left from taking bath in the divine Ganges of knowledge. So when benefits are so high then we should be prepared to put all our effort in doing sadhnas and other actvities associated with spreading this divine knowledge. In the process we will come across these obstacles and many much more difficult obstacles. When we are looking for extra-ordinary results then the effort should be of that proportion only. Even if we do not do anything then also we are going to face unsurmountable problems, then why not firmly stick to this path of sadhna only. We have to work in the direction defined by Gurudev. The advantage of being part of sadhak parivar is that we get prepared to face the real life challenges. We can not be diplomatic when it is clearly required that we should take a stand against all odds. If someone is showing disrespect to our knowledge which we acquired from our gurudev then we have to speak up firmly and unambiguosly .Just in the manner we expect our Gurudev to stand with us in troubled time. Suppose if Gurudev give us diplomatic assurance when we are caught in deep trouble and facing threat from our enemies. will we like that? Just in the same fashion we are expected to defend gurudev's knowledge without any ambiguity or false show of concern in a diplomatic manner. It is realy very difficult to do. we will learn this only when we do sadhna or obey Gurudev's order and face challanges while doing these activities. It is very easy to feel disgusted and move away from siddhashram sadhak parivar. What has happened with a former disciple of Gurudev in Bhopal is an example of this. We tell you about our personal experience. Our Group of few sadhaks made few people to the MTYV magazine, some of those rs sold MTYV issues along with old newspapers as trash. It was really pianful and excruciatingly torturous for us. We learnt that we should be carefully looking for the persons eager to learn something new and value it also. we learnt from our misatke of just offloading MTYV magazine everywhere to derive the mental kick of doing Guru Sewa. We changed the manner and started distributing these magazines in temples, where the probabality is higher of finding persons interested in sadhna and respecting sadhnas.Apart from this decided to give subsciption to only those persons who themselves ask for this with good intrest. Still some refinements need to be made, because there is no perfect formula. Every sadhak has to workout on his own experience. Help from gurudev comes and we slowly learn a better way of doing Guru sewa and get rid of our shortcomings which we would have never got rid off if we had just stopped putting any effort in doing these actvities. We feel that we made a correct decision of choosing a devoted sadhak from this group to distribute pamphlets. we do not need to stop , because we know that we will be successful. Actually it is the blessings and power of Gurudev which carried out this whole work and will do so in future. More firmly we believe in this statement more success we will get. As long as success is eluding us it means we do not belive frmly what we have said above. This is our own test. Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Sharma ji Jai Gurudev Pl. tell me clearly about the incident as u mentioned "What has happened with a former disciple of Gurudev in Bhopal is an example of this." Bala jee ajay sharma <sharva_ajay (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram By distributing the magazine sadhaks are doing fine job. Our group has some experiences to share and some thoughts on doing various actvities associated with spreading the message of practically useful knowlwdge of tantra,mantra and yantra. "Practically useful" is the most important aspect of this knowledge as it separates us from other spiritual organisation which emphasise on quoting from religious scriptures extensively without any clear direction of experiencing those written things practically in our lives. Religious missionaries may be using money, material benefits etc. to spread their "stamp" and one may say that they are doing "practically useful " things for the benifit of people. In a sadhana shivir we came across a sadhak, with Guru Shawl around him, who asked us "what is the going rate for this diksha" (Is diksha kaa aajkal kya rate chal raha hai). He asked this question when other sadhkas were standing in que to take diksha slip. The manner and the tone in which he asked the question left us shocked. We could hardly say that there is no price for diksha. Some sadhaks might think that he should have been strogly told to mind his mannerism and conduct as a sadhak. Taking sadhna lightly as a joke or a cheap market commodity is a common problem. This incident and many other disturbing experiences has left us thinking about this whole mentality of casualness among sadhaks. What to say about non-sadhaks? We do not have any explanation for this. Only thing which we have been able to understand is that Gurudev called all of us "siddhashram sadhak parivar" for some reason only. If only some capable and devoted sadhaks were doing sadhnas in some secluded place then this problem would not have arisen. In that case the drawback would have been quite severe as millions of other people like us would have been left from taking bath in the divine Ganges of knowledge. So when benefits are so high then we should be prepared to put all our effort in doing sadhnas and other actvities associated with spreading this divine knowledge. In the process we will come across these obstacles and many much more difficult obstacles. When we are looking for extra-ordinary results then the effort should be of that proportion only. Even if we do not do anything then also we are going to face unsurmountable problems, then why not firmly stick to this path of sadhna only. We have to work in the direction defined by Gurudev. The advantage of being part of sadhak parivar is that we get prepared to face the real life challenges. We can not be diplomatic when it is clearly required that we should take a stand against all odds. If someone is showing disrespect to our knowledge which we acquired from our gurudev then we have to speak up firmly and unambiguosly .Just in the manner we expect our Gurudev to stand with us in troubled time. Suppose if Gurudev give us diplomatic assurance when we are caught in deep trouble and facing threat from our enemies. will we like that? Just in the same fashion we are expected to defend gurudev's knowledge without any ambiguity or false show of concern in a diplomatic manner. It is realy very difficult to do. we will learn this only when we do sadhna or obey Gurudev's order and face challanges while doing these activities. It is very easy to feel disgusted and move away from siddhashram sadhak parivar. What has happened with a former disciple of Gurudev in Bhopal is an example of this. We tell you about our personal experience. Our Group of few sadhaks made few people to the MTYV magazine, some of those rs sold MTYV issues along with old newspapers as trash. It was really pianful and excruciatingly torturous for us. We learnt that we should be carefully looking for the persons eager to learn something new and value it also. we learnt from our misatke of just offloading MTYV magazine everywhere to derive the mental kick of doing Guru Sewa. We changed the manner and started distributing these magazines in temples, where the probabality is higher of finding persons interested in sadhna and respecting sadhnas.Apart from this decided to give subsciption to only those persons who themselves ask for this with good intrest. Still some refinements need to be made, because there is no perfect formula. Every sadhak has to workout on his own experience. Help from gurudev comes and we slowly learn a better way of doing Guru sewa and get rid of our shortcomings which we would have never got rid off if we had just stopped putting any effort in doing these actvities. We feel that we made a correct decision of choosing a devoted sadhak from this group to distribute pamphlets. we do not need to stop , because we know that we will be successful. Actually it is the blessings and power of Gurudev which carried out this whole work and will do so in future. More firmly we believe in this statement more success we will get. As long as success is eluding us it means we do not belive frmly what we have said above. This is our own test. Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram You may be knowing about that therefore we will not take the name. Those who do not know the name would be better off not knwoing about such individuals. We will just tell here about the reasons which that sadhak(inculding his associates) mentioned for dissociating themselves from Gurudham Jodhpur. Gurudev had organised a shivir in Bhopal for which gurudev, selected few sadhaks to take the responsiblity in making arrangements. Gurudev has their own yardsticks for assigning resposibilties. Some older sadhaks were left out of this main group. These older sadhaks got offended. They were not mature enough as desciples and they decided not to contribute towards making arrangement for the shivir. They let their personal egos to undermine the love and respect of Guru. Therefore these comparatively newer sadhaks faced difficulty in making arrangements, but somehow they managed to do it without the assitance of older sadhaks.[ This incident must have reduced their faith in siddhashram sadhak parivar, as we mentioned in our previous mail- We just want to say that it is very easy for all of us to get frustrated and develop irrational beliefs ] Newer sadhaks earned the love and affection of Gurudev. Events took a turn when Gurudev Nikhil left for siddhashram these newer sadhaks organised a shivir at Bhopal with Gurudev Trimurti. Newer sadhaks expected some special acclaim for themsleves and wanted themselves to be seen as more than equal in siddhashram sadhak parivar. These newer sadhaks got afflicted with the same weakness like their older counterparts. They themsleves started expecting rewards for their Gurusewa based on their own judgement. Asking for rewards of one's own choice in return of service can not be called selfless service. Many sadhaks got extraordinary success but not on their own terms & conditions. Whosoever was considered competent by Gurudev got whatever he wanted, but on Gurudev's terms. No one can put preconditions before Gurudev,this is the first rule of doing sadhnas. They forgot that Guru is not merely a body but also a manifestation of enlightened divine knowledge.They forgot what Gurudev Nikhil had said them before leaving for siddhashram. When they considered Gurudev Trimurti just as physical body like anyone else, their downfall was in the coming. They got the final blow when they themselves started giving dikshas and dissociated themselves from Gurudham Jodhpur. They started deriving many meanings of Gurudev Nikhil's love and affection for them. Gurudev love all of their disciples, therefore to encourage them they ask them to spread this divine knowledge for the benifit of others also. This is an example of a disciple deriving his own meaning of Gurudev's words and declaring himself as the someone who has been given Gurupada. This is not a new thing. Even in earlier era in history, in the ashrams of Rishis it happened many times. When a Rishi wanted to appoint a comptetent successor for his ashram he used his own method to test the devotion of his disciples. Those who did not get the succession got angry with that Rishi and used to leave ashrams. As we all know histoy only remembers competent and devoted disciples, not those who backstabbed their own Guru. When this is common problem then it means a disciple need to be alert about the thoughts crossing his mind, the way his mind visualise Guru. Of course results are bound to come, but when and in what form should be left to Guru. This is the best method in making progress in the path of karma. If we look at this principle of karma from a psoitive point of view, then their is no stonger motivation exists in this world for doing one's duty. If we look at this principle from neagtive point of view then this is called "oriental pessimism", a difintion given to out Karma principle by western people. It is our choice which way to look at it. Ordinarily it is very natural for humans to get frustrated when things are not going in the manner they want. No one has ever been able to win over this weakness without the help of Guru. "When a person can achieve extraordinary success on the basis of will power,determination and courage in world around us, the magnitude of success in the field of sadhna & tantra is beyond comprehension of ordinary human imagination" These are words an accomplished Tantrik published in MTYV. Therefore we feel that sooner or later we will be confronted with the problems which some former disciples faced and could not stand upto them. We want to save ourselves from meeting similar fate. Gurudev willing then we would like to perform actvities as directed by Gurudev for whole of our life. With Gurudev's blessing it will a useful effort. All these aspects of success,failure, reward, recognition has spoiled many sadhaks, our only worry is how to keep ourselves from going down in the same line. There are many devoted sadhaks who wre working in their own way. Many of them have successfully got over these obstacles by Gurudev's blessings. They have done so much for siddhashram sadhak parivar and continuing it without biting the bait of public acclaim and self promotion. They have done much more work than us and continuing it with same enthusiasm. Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram , balajee sahay <bjs0012003 wrote: > > Sharma ji > Jai Gurudev > > Pl. tell me clearly about the incident as u mentioned "What has happened with a > former disciple of Gurudev in Bhopal is an example of this." > > > Bala jee > > ajay sharma <sharva_ajay wrote: > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > By distributing the magazine sadhaks are doing fine job. > Our group has some experiences to share and some thoughts > on doing various actvities associated with spreading the > message of practically useful knowlwdge of tantra,mantra > and yantra. "Practically useful" is the most important > aspect of this knowledge as it separates us from other > spiritual organisation which emphasise on quoting from > religious scriptures extensively without any clear > direction of experiencing those written things > practically in our lives. Religious missionaries > may be using money, material benefits etc. to spread > their "stamp" and one may say that they are doing "practically > useful " things for the benifit of people. > > In a sadhana shivir we came across a sadhak, > with Guru Shawl around him, who asked us "what is the > going rate for this diksha" (Is diksha kaa aajkal > kya rate chal raha hai). He asked this question when > other sadhkas were standing in que to take diksha slip. > The manner and the tone in which he asked the question > left us shocked. We could hardly say that there is no > price for diksha. Some sadhaks might think that he should > have been strogly told to mind his mannerism and conduct > as a sadhak. Taking sadhna lightly as a joke or a cheap > market commodity is a common problem. > This incident and many other disturbing experiences has left > us thinking about this whole mentality of casualness among sadhaks. > What to say about non-sadhaks? > We do not have any explanation for this. Only thing which > we have been able to understand is that Gurudev called > all of us "siddhashram sadhak parivar" for some reason only. > If only some capable and devoted sadhaks were doing sadhnas > in some secluded place then this problem would not have > arisen. In that case the drawback would have been quite > severe as millions of other people like us would have been left > from taking bath in the divine Ganges of knowledge. > So when benefits are so high then we should be prepared to > put all our effort in doing sadhnas and other actvities associated > with spreading this divine knowledge. In the process we will > come across these obstacles and many much more difficult obstacles. > When we are looking for extra-ordinary results then the effort > should be of that proportion only. > Even if we do not do anything then also we are going to face > unsurmountable problems, then why not firmly stick to this > path of sadhna only. > We have to work in the direction defined by Gurudev. The > advantage of being part of sadhak parivar is that we > get prepared to face the real life challenges. > We can not be diplomatic when it is clearly required that > we should take a stand against all odds. If someone is showing disrespect > to our knowledge which we acquired from our gurudev then we > have to speak up firmly and unambiguosly .Just in the manner we > expect our Gurudev to stand with us in troubled time. Suppose > if Gurudev give us diplomatic assurance when we are caught in > deep trouble and facing threat from our enemies. will we like that? > Just in the same fashion we are expected to defend gurudev's > knowledge without any ambiguity or false show of concern in a > diplomatic manner. It is realy very difficult to do. > > we will learn this only when we do sadhna or obey Gurudev's order > and face challanges while doing these activities. > It is very easy to feel disgusted and move away from > siddhashram sadhak parivar. What has happened with a > former disciple of Gurudev in Bhopal is an example of this. > We tell you about our personal experience. Our Group of few sadhaks made few people > to the MTYV magazine, some of those > rs sold MTYV issues along with old newspapers as trash. > It was really pianful and excruciatingly torturous for us. > We learnt that we should be carefully looking for the persons eager to learn > something new and value it also. we learnt from our misatke > of just offloading MTYV magazine everywhere to derive the > mental kick of doing Guru Sewa. > We changed the manner and started distributing these magazines > in temples, where the probabality is higher of finding > persons interested in sadhna and respecting sadhnas.Apart from this > decided to give subsciption to only those persons who themselves ask > for this with good intrest. > Still some refinements need to be made, because > there is no perfect formula. Every sadhak has to workout > on his own experience. > Help from gurudev comes and we slowly learn a better way of doing > Guru sewa and get rid of our shortcomings which we would have never got rid off > if we had just stopped putting any effort in doing these actvities. > We feel that we made a correct decision of choosing a devoted sadhak from this group > to distribute pamphlets. > we do not need to stop , because we know that we will be successful. > Actually it is the blessings and power of Gurudev which carried > out this whole work and will do so in future. More firmly we believe in this > statement more success we will get. As long as success is eluding us it means we > do not belive frmly what we have said above. > This is our own test. > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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