Transits from Arudha Asc & Indu Lagna/Suneel

December 5, 2006

Om Datta Guru

Dear Suneel,

Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer it at

all).

I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi Avayogi &

Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam, then its

fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late Santhanam

tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he would make

Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa wouldn't

indicate at all or not easily.

I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would like to

experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its not easy

since there are many special rules re it but one has to statistically

test it how much it works.

Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL gives

job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working at

times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving job.

(there are some riders I hear)

Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu lagna)

with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old jyotish

list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he uses it in a

special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise transits'

Sunil John

Mumbai

, "Suneel Hooda" <suneelhooda

wrote:

>

> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing your

> learned views on this topic,

>

> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its available

> for free download),

> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different ways to

> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as

Santhanam

> used it.

>

> Regards,

>

> Suneel hooda

>

, "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as [sunil]:

> >

> > , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back,

grab

> > > some coffee and read on...

> > >

> > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive

> > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art

> as

> > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques.

> > >

> > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with most

> > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I use

> > > personally,

> > >

> > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear

as

> > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would

rate

> > > them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a

> > dasa's

> > > usage popularity

> > >

> > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived

> to

> > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system

fell

> > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to

apply

> > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not

> > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern

> India

> > > because it consistently works!

> > >

> > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that

play

> > > out their role in life in the following order-

> > >

> > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how

> > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate

> > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing

> > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what

gives

> > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very

unique

> > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach, if I

> > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation used is

> > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this subject.

The

> > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I will

post

> > > a section on it.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring this dasa

is

> > non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this since if

> > time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT IS , that

is

> > if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic manner

e.g

> > Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it quickly in

> few

> > secs I use it this way

> >

> > Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> >

> > Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> >

> > Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> >

> > Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> >

> > Cn PD- again 5H

> >

> > Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has gone to

self

> > (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the Chronic

> > diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc & GK- Gnati

> > Karaka disease giver)

> >

> > All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon Brown -

his

> > son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> >

> > Gordon Brown

> >

> > Natal Chart

> >

> > February 20, 1951

> > Time: 8:40:00

> > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > Giffnock, United Kingdom

> >

> > Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know any

software

> > which gives that correctly.

> >

> > >

> > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

to

> > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I

> know

> > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it

> > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes

> its

> > > usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe that there

> are

> > master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know simple non

> > confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do use the

> dasa

> > in divisional charts and it works well for me

> >

> > I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has given me

> > inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it deep

> study.

> > But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when Moon/Sun when

> all

> > this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child but why

> Moon

> > when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children & exalted in

D7

> > receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do agree it

is

> > in 4H of D7

> >

> > In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in Nirriti

> > (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is the cause

of

> > the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in one of the

> > posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now this 3rd

child

> > born with Cystic Fibrosis

> >

> > >

> > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the

> effects

> > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling

> yogini

> > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take

yogini

> > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each

> > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time comes.

> > >

> > > [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get little

time

> to

> > use it

> >

> > Same example of Gordon Brown

> >

> > Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> >

> > Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> >

> > VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

effecting

> > the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> >

> > Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for child

(from

> > 5H)

> >

> > Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> >

> > all indicating the EVENT

> >

> > >

> > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO

> > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !)

> > >

> > > [sunil]: correct way

> >

> > I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> >

> > AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> >

> > Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> >

> > Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> >

> > Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H of

chronic

> > diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic diseasegiver etc

> >

> > Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> >

> > All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or can

happen

> in

> > this period

> >

> > ANOTHER WAY

> >

> > This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> >

> > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> >

> > Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> >

> > Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the Karmic

issues

> of

> > ones life, in this chart it will show the death like situation that

> can

> > happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H being the

8th

> > lord of chronic diseases

> >

> > So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in this

chart)

> we

> > can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> >

> > Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

diseases

> in

> > D7 (Saptamsa)

> >

> > Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of diseases, &

> > maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of hospitals,

> > sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> >

> > Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> >

> > Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows chronic

> diseases

> > like cancer or death through accidents etc

> >

> > Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big disease, big

time

> > doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> > Mumbai

> >

> > >

> > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas,

it

> > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some

> hints-

> > >

> > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the

> > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > >

> > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing

is

> > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being

> > > shared with many people.

> > >

> > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of

> > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that

the

> > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people

> who

> > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not

> > > very time sensitive.

> > >

> > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

> Kendra/kona

> > /--

> > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5

th/9th

> > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based

on

> > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > >

> > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in

mind,

> > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > >

> > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most

> > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini

> > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently.

> > >

> > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you

use

> > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > >

> >

December 5, 2006

Dear Sunil,

//.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

emphasise transits'//

I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

the native. Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits have

the power to offer .

For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying 6th

house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in transit,

comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the physical

health of the native is going to take a beating which the transit in

consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the 11th or

antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the native

health wise.

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Suneel,

>

> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer it at

> all).

>

> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi Avayogi &

> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

>

> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam, then

its

> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late Santhanam

> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he would

make

> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

wouldn't

> indicate at all or not easily.

>

> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would

like to

> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its not

easy

> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

statistically

> test it how much it works.

>

> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL

gives

> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working at

> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

job.

> (there are some riders I hear)

>

> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu

lagna)

> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

>

> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

jyotish

> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he uses it

in a

> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

transits'

>

> Sunil John

>

> Mumbai

>

> , "Suneel Hooda" <suneelhooda@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing

your

> > learned views on this topic,

> >

> > I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

available

> > for free download),

> > does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different ways

to

> > calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as

> Santhanam

> > used it.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Suneel hooda

> >

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as [sunil]:

> > >

> > > , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back,

> grab

> > > > some coffee and read on...

> > > >

> > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

predictive

> > > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

this art

> > as

> > > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques.

> > > >

> > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with

most

> > > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I

use

> > > > personally,

> > > >

> > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to

hear

> as

> > > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

would

> rate

> > > > them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a

> > > dasa's

> > > > usage popularity

> > > >

> > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

survived

> > to

> > > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

system

> fell

> > > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to

> apply

> > > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

though not

> > > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

northern

> > India

> > > > because it consistently works!

> > > >

> > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that

> play

> > > > out their role in life in the following order-

> > > >

> > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe

how

> > > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

accurate

> > > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing

> > > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what

> gives

> > > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very

> unique

> > > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach,

if I

> > > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

used is

> > > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

subject.

> The

> > > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

will

> post

> > > > a section on it.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring this

dasa

> is

> > > non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

since if

> > > time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT IS ,

that

> is

> > > if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

manner

> e.g

> > > Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

quickly in

> > few

> > > secs I use it this way

> > >

> > > Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> > >

> > > Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > >

> > > Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > >

> > > Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > >

> > > Cn PD- again 5H

> > >

> > > Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has gone

to

> self

> > > (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

Chronic

> > > diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc & GK-

Gnati

> > > Karaka disease giver)

> > >

> > > All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

Brown -

> his

> > > son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > >

> > > Gordon Brown

> > >

> > > Natal Chart

> > >

> > > February 20, 1951

> > > Time: 8:40:00

> > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > >

> > > Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know any

> software

> > > which gives that correctly.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> to

> > > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

lagnas. I

> > know

> > > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

me, it

> > > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

describes

> > its

> > > > usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe that

there

> > are

> > > master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know simple

non

> > > confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do use

the

> > dasa

> > > in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > >

> > > I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

given me

> > > inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it deep

> > study.

> > > But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when Moon/Sun

when

> > all

> > > this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child but

why

> > Moon

> > > when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

exalted in

> D7

> > > receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

agree it

> is

> > > in 4H of D7

> > >

> > > In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

Nirriti

> > > (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is the

cause

> of

> > > the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in one of

the

> > > posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now this 3rd

> child

> > > born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > >

> > > >

> > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the

> > effects

> > > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling

> > yogini

> > > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take

> yogini

> > > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

each

> > > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time

comes.

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get little

> time

> > to

> > > use it

> > >

> > > Same example of Gordon Brown

> > >

> > > Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > >

> > > Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > >

> > > VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

> effecting

> > > the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > >

> > > Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for child

> (from

> > > 5H)

> > >

> > > Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > >

> > > all indicating the EVENT

> > >

> > > >

> > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

FINE, NO

> > > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !)

> > > >

> > > > [sunil]: correct way

> > >

> > > I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > >

> > > AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > >

> > > Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > >

> > > Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > >

> > > Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H of

> chronic

> > > diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic diseasegiver

etc

> > >

> > > Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > >

> > > All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or can

> happen

> > in

> > > this period

> > >

> > > ANOTHER WAY

> > >

> > > This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > >

> > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > >

> > > Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > >

> > > Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the Karmic

> issues

> > of

> > > ones life, in this chart it will show the death like situation

that

> > can

> > > happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H being

the

> 8th

> > > lord of chronic diseases

> > >

> > > So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in this

> chart)

> > we

> > > can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > >

> > > Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

> diseases

> > in

> > > D7 (Saptamsa)

> > >

> > > Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

diseases, &

> > > maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

hospitals,

> > > sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > >

> > > Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > >

> > > Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows chronic

> > diseases

> > > like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > >

> > > Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big disease, big

> time

> > > doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > > Mumbai

> > >

> > > >

> > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

dasas,

> it

> > > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some

> > hints-

> > > >

> > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and

the

> > > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > >

> > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

seeing

> is

> > > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

being

> > > > shared with many people.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change

of

> > > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

that

> the

> > > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

people

> > who

> > > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is

not

> > > > very time sensitive.

> > > >

> > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

> > Kendra/kona

> > > /--

> > > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5

> th/9th

> > > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results

based

> on

> > > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > >

> > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in

> mind,

> > > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > >

> > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with

most

> > > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other

yogini

> > > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently.

> > > >

> > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do

you

> use

> > > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > >

> > >

December 5, 2006

Om Datta Guru

Dear Bhaskar,

Reply as [sunil]:

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> emphasise transits'//

>

[sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really special way'

and not the ordinary way we use.

> I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> the native.

[sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also stimulate

peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months back that

if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan astrologer

(who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

astrologer sees.

I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities & internet

lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not what is

what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success. We go

into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or maximum

Navamsa

Sunil

Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits have

> the power to offer .

> For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying 6th

> house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in transit,

> comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

> placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the physical

> health of the native is going to take a beating which the transit in

> consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

>

> This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the 11th or

> antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the native

> health wise.

>

> Best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

, "suniljohn_2002"

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Suneel,

> >

> > Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer it at

> > all).

> >

> > I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi Avayogi &

> > Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> >

> > Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam, then

> its

> > fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late Santhanam

> > tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he would

> make

> > Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> wouldn't

> > indicate at all or not easily.

> >

> > I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would

> like to

> > experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its not

> easy

> > since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> statistically

> > test it how much it works.

> >

> > Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL

> gives

> > job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working at

> > times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

> job.

> > (there are some riders I hear)

> >

> > Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu

> lagna)

> > with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> >

> > Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> jyotish

> > list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he uses it

> in a

> > special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> transits'

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

> > Mumbai

> >

> > , "Suneel Hooda" <suneelhooda@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing

> your

> > > learned views on this topic,

> > >

> > > I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> available

> > > for free download),

> > > does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different ways

> to

> > > calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as

> > Santhanam

> > > used it.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Suneel hooda

> > >

> > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as [sunil]:

> > > >

> > > > , "Suneel Hooda" suneelhooda@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back,

> > grab

> > > > > some coffee and read on...

> > > > >

> > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> predictive

> > > > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

> this art

> > > as

> > > > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented with

> most

> > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are what I

> use

> > > > > personally,

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to

> hear

> > as

> > > > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

> would

> > rate

> > > > > them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on

a

> > > > dasa's

> > > > > usage popularity

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> survived

> > > to

> > > > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

> system

> > fell

> > > > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to

> > apply

> > > > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> though not

> > > > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> northern

> > > India

> > > > > because it consistently works!

> > > > >

> > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that

> > play

> > > > > out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe

> how

> > > > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> accurate

> > > > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing

> > > > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what

> > gives

> > > > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very

> > unique

> > > > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my approach,

> if I

> > > > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

> used is

> > > > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> subject.

> > The

> > > > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

> will

> > post

> > > > > a section on it.

> > > > >

> > > > > [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring this

> dasa

> > is

> > > > non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> since if

> > > > time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT IS ,

> that

> > is

> > > > if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> manner

> > e.g

> > > > Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> quickly in

> > > few

> > > > secs I use it this way

> > > >

> > > > Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> > > >

> > > > Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > >

> > > > Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > >

> > > > Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > >

> > > > Cn PD- again 5H

> > > >

> > > > Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has gone

> to

> > self

> > > > (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

> Chronic

> > > > diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc & GK-

> Gnati

> > > > Karaka disease giver)

> > > >

> > > > All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

> Brown -

> > his

> > > > son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > >

> > > > Gordon Brown

> > > >

> > > > Natal Chart

> > > >

> > > > February 20, 1951

> > > > Time: 8:40:00

> > > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > >

> > > > Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know any

> > software

> > > > which gives that correctly.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

>

> > to

> > > > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> lagnas. I

> > > know

> > > > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

> me, it

> > > > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> describes

> > > its

> > > > > usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > >

> > > > > [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe that

> there

> > > are

> > > > master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know simple

> non

> > > > confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do use

> the

> > > dasa

> > > > in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > >

> > > > I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

> given me

> > > > inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it deep

> > > study.

> > > > But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when Moon/Sun

> when

> > > all

> > > > this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child but

> why

> > > Moon

> > > > when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> exalted in

> > D7

> > > > receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

> agree it

> > is

> > > > in 4H of D7

> > > >

> > > > In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> Nirriti

> > > > (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is the

> cause

> > of

> > > > the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in one of

> the

> > > > posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now this 3rd

> > child

> > > > born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to the

> > > effects

> > > > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling

> > > yogini

> > > > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take

> > yogini

> > > > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

> each

> > > > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the time

> comes.

> > > > >

> > > > > [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get little

> > time

> > > to

> > > > use it

> > > >

> > > > Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > >

> > > > Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > >

> > > > Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > >

> > > > VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

> > effecting

> > > > the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > >

> > > > Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for child

> > (from

> > > > 5H)

> > > >

> > > > Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > >

> > > > all indicating the EVENT

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

> FINE, NO

> > > > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !)

> > > > >

> > > > > [sunil]: correct way

> > > >

> > > > I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > >

> > > > AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > >

> > > > Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > >

> > > > Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > >

> > > > Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H of

> > chronic

> > > > diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic diseasegiver

> etc

> > > >

> > > > Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > >

> > > > All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or can

> > happen

> > > in

> > > > this period

> > > >

> > > > ANOTHER WAY

> > > >

> > > > This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > >

> > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > >

> > > > Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > >

> > > > Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the Karmic

> > issues

> > > of

> > > > ones life, in this chart it will show the death like situation

> that

> > > can

> > > > happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H being

> the

> > 8th

> > > > lord of chronic diseases

> > > >

> > > > So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in this

> > chart)

> > > we

> > > > can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > >

> > > > Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

> > diseases

> > > in

> > > > D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > >

> > > > Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> diseases, &

> > > > maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> hospitals,

> > > > sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > >

> > > > Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > >

> > > > Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows chronic

> > > diseases

> > > > like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > >

> > > > Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big disease, big

> > time

> > > > doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > Mumbai

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> dasas,

> > it

> > > > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some

> > > hints-

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and

> the

> > > > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > > > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> seeing

> > is

> > > > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

> being

> > > > > shared with many people.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change

> of

> > > > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

> that

> > the

> > > > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> people

> > > who

> > > > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is

> not

> > > > > very time sensitive.

> > > > >

> > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

> > > Kendra/kona

> > > > /--

> > > > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of lagna/5

> > th/9th

> > > > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good results

> based

> > on

> > > > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in

> > mind,

> > > > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with

> most

> > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other

> yogini

> > > > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most consistently.

> > > > >

> > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do

> you

> > use

> > > > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > >

> > > >

December 5, 2006

Dear Sunil,

I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books (Major

part) but also

academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

learning,

and also attending lectures

2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

constellations) and 3 charts

are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which gives

me fortunately

a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

conformity may

not be there with the general rules, but more emphasis in getting the

right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come up

with

stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

that the

scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not many

know to use

the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

divisional charts

or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain age,

they

are required to help in the income sources of the household.

So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of householders

each

Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand and

then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again with

due

respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in city

through

various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

shlokas

which the village astrologers know by heart.

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Reply as [sunil]:

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> > uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > emphasise transits'//

> >

>

> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really special

way'

> and not the ordinary way we use.

>

> > I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> > ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> > or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> > the native.

>

> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also stimulate

> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months back

that

> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

astrologer

> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

> astrologer sees.

>

> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities & internet

> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not what

is

> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success. We go

> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

maximum

> Navamsa

>

> Sunil

>

> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> > chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits have

> > the power to offer .

> > For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying 6th

> > house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> > and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

transit,

> > comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

> > placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the physical

> > health of the native is going to take a beating which the transit

in

> > consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

> >

> > This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the 11th

or

> > antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the native

> > health wise.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Suneel,

> > >

> > > Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer

it at

> > > all).

> > >

> > > I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

Avayogi &

> > > Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > >

> > > Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

then

> > its

> > > fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

Santhanam

> > > tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

would

> > make

> > > Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> > wouldn't

> > > indicate at all or not easily.

> > >

> > > I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would

> > like to

> > > experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its

not

> > easy

> > > since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > statistically

> > > test it how much it works.

> > >

> > > Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL

> > gives

> > > job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working

at

> > > times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

> > job.

> > > (there are some riders I hear)

> > >

> > > Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu

> > lagna)

> > > with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > >

> > > Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> > jyotish

> > > list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

uses it

> > in a

> > > special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > transits'

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > > Mumbai

> > >

> > > , "Suneel Hooda"

<suneelhooda@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing

> > your

> > > > learned views on this topic,

> > > >

> > > > I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> > available

> > > > for free download),

> > > > does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

ways

> > to

> > > > calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as

> > > Santhanam

> > > > used it.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Suneel hooda

> > > >

> > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

[sunil]:

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Suneel Hooda"

suneelhooda@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

back,

> > > grab

> > > > > > some coffee and read on...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > predictive

> > > > > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

> > this art

> > > > as

> > > > > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right

techniques.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

with

> > most

> > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

what I

> > use

> > > > > > personally,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like

to

> > hear

> > > as

> > > > > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

> > would

> > > rate

> > > > > > them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on

> a

> > > > > dasa's

> > > > > > usage popularity

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> > survived

> > > > to

> > > > > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

> > system

> > > fell

> > > > > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

rules to

> > > apply

> > > > > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> > though not

> > > > > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > northern

> > > > India

> > > > > > because it consistently works!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

that

> > > play

> > > > > > out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

describe

> > how

> > > > > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> > accurate

> > > > > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

timing

> > > > > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

what

> > > gives

> > > > > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

very

> > > unique

> > > > > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

approach,

> > if I

> > > > > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

> > used is

> > > > > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > subject.

> > > The

> > > > > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

> > will

> > > post

> > > > > > a section on it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

this

> > dasa

> > > is

> > > > > non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> > since if

> > > > > time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

IS ,

> > that

> > > is

> > > > > if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> > manner

> > > e.g

> > > > > Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > quickly in

> > > > few

> > > > > secs I use it this way

> > > > >

> > > > > Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> > > > >

> > > > > Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > >

> > > > > Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > > >

> > > > > Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > >

> > > > > Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > >

> > > > > Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

gone

> > to

> > > self

> > > > > (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

> > Chronic

> > > > > diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

GK-

> > Gnati

> > > > > Karaka disease giver)

> > > > >

> > > > > All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

> > Brown -

> > > his

> > > > > son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > Gordon Brown

> > > > >

> > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > >

> > > > > February 20, 1951

> > > > > Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > >

> > > > > Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

any

> > > software

> > > > > which gives that correctly.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> >

> > > to

> > > > > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > lagnas. I

> > > > know

> > > > > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

> > me, it

> > > > > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > describes

> > > > its

> > > > > > usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

that

> > there

> > > > are

> > > > > master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

simple

> > non

> > > > > confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do

use

> > the

> > > > dasa

> > > > > in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > >

> > > > > I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

> > given me

> > > > > inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it

deep

> > > > study.

> > > > > But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

Moon/Sun

> > when

> > > > all

> > > > > this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

but

> > why

> > > > Moon

> > > > > when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > exalted in

> > > D7

> > > > > receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

> > agree it

> > > is

> > > > > in 4H of D7

> > > > >

> > > > > In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> > Nirriti

> > > > > (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

the

> > cause

> > > of

> > > > > the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

one of

> > the

> > > > > posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

this 3rd

> > > child

> > > > > born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

the

> > > > effects

> > > > > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

ruling

> > > > yogini

> > > > > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

take

> > > yogini

> > > > > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

> > each

> > > > > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

time

> > comes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

little

> > > time

> > > > to

> > > > > use it

> > > > >

> > > > > Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > >

> > > > > Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > >

> > > > > Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > >

> > > > > VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

> > > effecting

> > > > > the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > >

> > > > > Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

child

> > > (from

> > > > > 5H)

> > > > >

> > > > > Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > >

> > > > > all indicating the EVENT

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

> > FINE, NO

> > > > > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

spirits !)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: correct way

> > > > >

> > > > > I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > >

> > > > > AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

of

> > > chronic

> > > > > diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

diseasegiver

> > etc

> > > > >

> > > > > Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > >

> > > > > All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

can

> > > happen

> > > > in

> > > > > this period

> > > > >

> > > > > ANOTHER WAY

> > > > >

> > > > > This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > >

> > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > >

> > > > > Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > >

> > > > > Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

Karmic

> > > issues

> > > > of

> > > > > ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

situation

> > that

> > > > can

> > > > > happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

being

> > the

> > > 8th

> > > > > lord of chronic diseases

> > > > >

> > > > > So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

this

> > > chart)

> > > > we

> > > > > can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > >

> > > > > Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

> > > diseases

> > > > in

> > > > > D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > diseases, &

> > > > > maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > hospitals,

> > > > > sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > > >

> > > > > Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

chronic

> > > > diseases

> > > > > like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > >

> > > > > Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

disease, big

> > > time

> > > > > doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > Mumbai

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> > dasas,

> > > it

> > > > > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

some

> > > > hints-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

and

> > the

> > > > > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > > > > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> > seeing

> > > is

> > > > > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

> > being

> > > > > > shared with many people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

change

> > of

> > > > > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

> > that

> > > the

> > > > > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> > people

> > > > who

> > > > > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as

vimsottotri is

> > not

> > > > > > very time sensitive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

> > > > Kendra/kona

> > > > > /--

> > > > > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

lagna/5

> > > th/9th

> > > > > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

results

> > based

> > > on

> > > > > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

that in

> > > mind,

> > > > > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

with

> > most

> > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

other

> > yogini

> > > > > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

consistently.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

do

> > you

> > > use

> > > > > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > >

> > > > >

December 5, 2006

Dear Sunil,

I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books (Major

part) but also

academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

learning,

and also attending lectures

2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

constellations) charts

are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which gives

me fortunately

a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

conformity may

not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting the

right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come up

with

stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

that the

scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not many

know to use

the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

divisional charts

or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain age,

they

are required to help in the income sources of the household.

So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of householders

each

Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand and

then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again with

due

respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in city

through

various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

shlokas

which the village astrologers know by heart.

Best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Reply as [sunil]:

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> > uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> > emphasise transits'//

> >

>

> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really special

way'

> and not the ordinary way we use.

>

> > I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> > ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> > or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> > the native.

>

> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also stimulate

> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months back

that

> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

astrologer

> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

> astrologer sees.

>

> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities & internet

> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not what

is

> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success. We go

> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

maximum

> Navamsa

>

> Sunil

>

> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> > chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits have

> > the power to offer .

> > For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying 6th

> > house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> > and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

transit,

> > comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

> > placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the physical

> > health of the native is going to take a beating which the transit

in

> > consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

> >

> > This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the 11th

or

> > antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the native

> > health wise.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Suneel,

> > >

> > > Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer

it at

> > > all).

> > >

> > > I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

Avayogi &

> > > Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> > >

> > > Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

then

> > its

> > > fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

Santhanam

> > > tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

would

> > make

> > > Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> > wouldn't

> > > indicate at all or not easily.

> > >

> > > I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would

> > like to

> > > experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its

not

> > easy

> > > since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> > statistically

> > > test it how much it works.

> > >

> > > Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL

> > gives

> > > job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working

at

> > > times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

> > job.

> > > (there are some riders I hear)

> > >

> > > Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu

> > lagna)

> > > with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> > >

> > > Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> > jyotish

> > > list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

uses it

> > in a

> > > special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> > transits'

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > > Mumbai

> > >

> > > , "Suneel Hooda"

<suneelhooda@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing

> > your

> > > > learned views on this topic,

> > > >

> > > > I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> > available

> > > > for free download),

> > > > does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

ways

> > to

> > > > calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as

> > > Santhanam

> > > > used it.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Suneel hooda

> > > >

> > > > , "suniljohn_2002"

> > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

[sunil]:

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Suneel Hooda"

suneelhooda@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

back,

> > > grab

> > > > > > some coffee and read on...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> > predictive

> > > > > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

> > this art

> > > > as

> > > > > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right

techniques.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

with

> > most

> > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

what I

> > use

> > > > > > personally,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like

to

> > hear

> > > as

> > > > > > to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

> > would

> > > rate

> > > > > > them – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on

> a

> > > > > dasa's

> > > > > > usage popularity

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> > survived

> > > > to

> > > > > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

> > system

> > > fell

> > > > > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

rules to

> > > apply

> > > > > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> > though not

> > > > > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> > northern

> > > > India

> > > > > > because it consistently works!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

that

> > > play

> > > > > > out their role in life in the following order-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

describe

> > how

> > > > > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> > accurate

> > > > > > though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

timing

> > > > > > difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

what

> > > gives

> > > > > > strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

very

> > > unique

> > > > > > to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

approach,

> > if I

> > > > > > know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

> > used is

> > > > > > what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> > subject.

> > > The

> > > > > > analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

> > will

> > > post

> > > > > > a section on it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

this

> > dasa

> > > is

> > > > > non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> > since if

> > > > > time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

IS ,

> > that

> > > is

> > > > > if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> > manner

> > > e.g

> > > > > Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> > quickly in

> > > > few

> > > > > secs I use it this way

> > > > >

> > > > > Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> > > > >

> > > > > Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> > > > > Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> > > > > Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> > > > > Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> > > > >

> > > > > Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> > > > >

> > > > > Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> > > > >

> > > > > Cn PD- again 5H

> > > > >

> > > > > Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

gone

> > to

> > > self

> > > > > (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

> > Chronic

> > > > > diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

GK-

> > Gnati

> > > > > Karaka disease giver)

> > > > >

> > > > > All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

> > Brown -

> > > his

> > > > > son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > Gordon Brown

> > > > >

> > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > >

> > > > > February 20, 1951

> > > > > Time: 8:40:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> > > > > Giffnock, United Kingdom

> > > > >

> > > > > Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

any

> > > software

> > > > > which gives that correctly.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> >

> > > to

> > > > > > the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> > lagnas. I

> > > > know

> > > > > > its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

> > me, it

> > > > > > definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> > describes

> > > > its

> > > > > > usage, and it works brilliantly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

that

> > there

> > > > are

> > > > > master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

simple

> > non

> > > > > confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do

use

> > the

> > > > dasa

> > > > > in divisional charts and it works well for me

> > > > >

> > > > > I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

> > given me

> > > > > inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it

deep

> > > > study.

> > > > > But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

Moon/Sun

> > when

> > > > all

> > > > > this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

but

> > why

> > > > Moon

> > > > > when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> > exalted in

> > > D7

> > > > > receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

> > agree it

> > > is

> > > > > in 4H of D7

> > > > >

> > > > > In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> > Nirriti

> > > > > (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

the

> > cause

> > > of

> > > > > the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

one of

> > the

> > > > > posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

this 3rd

> > > child

> > > > > born with Cystic Fibrosis

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

the

> > > > effects

> > > > > > of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

ruling

> > > > yogini

> > > > > > in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

take

> > > yogini

> > > > > > dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

> > each

> > > > > > yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

time

> > comes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

little

> > > time

> > > > to

> > > > > use it

> > > > >

> > > > > Same example of Gordon Brown

> > > > >

> > > > > Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> > > > >

> > > > > Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> > > > > Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> > > > > Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> > > > >

> > > > > VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

> > > effecting

> > > > > the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> > > > >

> > > > > Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

child

> > > (from

> > > > > 5H)

> > > > >

> > > > > Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> > > > >

> > > > > all indicating the EVENT

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

> > FINE, NO

> > > > > > NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > > > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

spirits !)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sunil]: correct way

> > > > >

> > > > > I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> > > > >

> > > > > AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> > > > > Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> > > > > Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

of

> > > chronic

> > > > > diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

diseasegiver

> > etc

> > > > >

> > > > > Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> > > > >

> > > > > All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

can

> > > happen

> > > > in

> > > > > this period

> > > > >

> > > > > ANOTHER WAY

> > > > >

> > > > > This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> > > > >

> > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> > > > >

> > > > > Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> > > > > Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> > > > > Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> > > > >

> > > > > Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

Karmic

> > > issues

> > > > of

> > > > > ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

situation

> > that

> > > > can

> > > > > happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

being

> > the

> > > 8th

> > > > > lord of chronic diseases

> > > > >

> > > > > So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

this

> > > chart)

> > > > we

> > > > > can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> > > > >

> > > > > Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

> > > diseases

> > > > in

> > > > > D7 (Saptamsa)

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> > diseases, &

> > > > > maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> > hospitals,

> > > > > sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> > > > >

> > > > > Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

chronic

> > > > diseases

> > > > > like cancer or death through accidents etc

> > > > >

> > > > > Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

disease, big

> > > time

> > > > > doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > Mumbai

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> > dasas,

> > > it

> > > > > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

some

> > > > hints-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

and

> > the

> > > > > > results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> > > > > > place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> > seeing

> > > is

> > > > > > very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

> > being

> > > > > > shared with many people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

change

> > of

> > > > > > place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

> > that

> > > the

> > > > > > dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> > people

> > > > who

> > > > > > are born in that fairly large "time window" as

vimsottotri is

> > not

> > > > > > very time sensitive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

> > > > Kendra/kona

> > > > > /--

> > > > > > - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > > > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

lagna/5

> > > th/9th

> > > > > > and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

results

> > based

> > > on

> > > > > > its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

that in

> > > mind,

> > > > > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > > > > > friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

with

> > most

> > > > > > dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

other

> > yogini

> > > > > > dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

consistently.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

do

> > you

> > > use

> > > > > > in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > > > > >

> > > > >

December 5, 2006

Dear Sunil,

I have amazing experience with few downtown astrologers (doing chart reading from generations - and perhaps, they do not reveal secret clues).

My chart - per lahiri, has mars (d) with ketu in 3rd house, and when I met one- after few minutes - he observed my chest skin and said that - my mars must be retrograde; and will look at chart only after verifying the chart. He is panchang karta himself - digged 1967 panchang and to my surprise - it was retrograde in his bhrampakshi panchang. Twice - he warned me one day before the accident. I happen to be living in Dubai those years - and my friend called me to tell, that he wants to speak with me. He asked me to find peepal tree urgently (difficult in islamic country those days - 1996) and offer milk/honey/water the same day. Next day - my fourwheel got hit by a big mini bus at the speed of 140 and luckily we survived. Next day, second car's engine got fire. Upon calling him - his first question was about second accident. He was amazingly accurate.

My message is not to undermine modern astrologers, but many of these downtown astrologers are indeed very good.

I did visit Karoi (Bhilwara Distt) and met Bhrigu Samhita pandit - Nathu ram ji (not sure of his name), but could not find very accurate readings.

regards / Prafulla Gang

People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.

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>

> suniljohn_2002

> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:02:37 -0000

>

> $3 of a prediction & parapara of 600 yrs

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view & self

> exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further, but

> still would like to clarify.

>

> I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two examples

> & coffee is required.

>

> A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30 astrologers

> till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many internet

> lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting shlokas

> or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show their

> scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide, all of

> their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the meanwhile

> he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does all the

> remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a village

> astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person gets

> big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

> business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that by Dec

> 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

> between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

>

> Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

> believing what has happened.

>

> These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the fake

> ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual reference

> but poorest as humans or predictors.

>

> B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which is

> about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs this

> traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I will

> have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an astrologer &

> then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still they do

> not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

>

> Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

>

> The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject title

> Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date &

> Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list wrote to

> me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if asking

> directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only with

> lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not want to

> learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or corrupted him

> with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in North. Such

> people should be left untouched like a virgin.

>

> Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it clear, D60

> is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have seen,

> but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am going

> deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset since after

> visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50 yrs of

> astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

> solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

>

> Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced the

> Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the pandit to

> hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this list went

> to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming very

> disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

> spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he recites.

> Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and this

> Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to 73 of

> this mentor.

>

> Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full Bhakti,

> but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so excited that

> ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life but it

> wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

> beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of Baa Bahu

> aur baby)

>

> Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most lists have

> become platform for.

>

> best

>

> SJ

>

> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Sunil,

>>

>> I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books (Major

>> part) but also

>> academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

>> learning,

>> and also attending lectures

>> 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

>> constellations) charts

>> are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which gives

>> me fortunately

>> a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

>> conformity may

>> not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting the

>> right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

>>

>> I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come up

>> with

>> stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

>> having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

>> more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

>> that the

>> scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not many

>> know to use

>> the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

>> divisional charts

>> or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain age,

>> they

>> are required to help in the income sources of the household.

>> So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of householders

>> each

>> Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand and

>> then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

>> but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

>> able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again with

>> due

>> respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in city

>> through

>> various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

>> shlokas

>> which the village astrologers know by heart.

>>

>> Best wishes,

>> Bhaskar.

>>

>> , "suniljohn_2002"

>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

>>>

>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>

>>> Dear Bhaskar,

>>>

>>> Reply as [sunil]:

>>>

>>> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Sunil,

>>>>

>>>> //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

>>>> uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

>>>> emphasise transits'//

>>>>

>>>

>>> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really special

>> way'

>>> and not the ordinary way we use.

>>>

>>>> I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

>>>> ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

>>>> or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

>>>> the native.

>>>

>>> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also stimulate

>>> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months back

>> that

>>> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

>>> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

>> astrologer

>>> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

>>> astrologer sees.

>>>

>>> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities & internet

>>> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not what

>> is

>>> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success. We go

>>> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

>> maximum

>>> Navamsa

>>>

>>> Sunil

>>>

>>> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

>>>> chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits have

>>>> the power to offer .

>>>> For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying 6th

>>>> house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

>>>> and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

>> transit,

>>>> comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

>>>> placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the physical

>>>> health of the native is going to take a beating which the transit

>> in

>>>> consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

>>>>

>>>> This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the 11th

>> or

>>>> antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the native

>>>> health wise.

>>>>

>>>> Best wishes,

>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>

>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Suneel,

>>>>>

>>>>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer

>> it at

>>>>> all).

>>>>>

>>>>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

>> Avayogi &

>>>>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

>>>>>

>>>>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

>> then

>>>> its

>>>>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

>> Santhanam

>>>>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

>> would

>>>> make

>>>>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

>>>> wouldn't

>>>>> indicate at all or not easily.

>>>>>

>>>>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would

>>>> like to

>>>>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its

>> not

>>>> easy

>>>>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

>>>> statistically

>>>>> test it how much it works.

>>>>>

>>>>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL

>>>> gives

>>>>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working

>> at

>>>>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

>>>> job.

>>>>> (there are some riders I hear)

>>>>>

>>>>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu

>>>> lagna)

>>>>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

>>>>>

>>>>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

>>>> jyotish

>>>>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

>> uses it

>>>> in a

>>>>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

>>>> transits'

>>>>>

>>>>> Sunil John

>>>>>

>>>>> Mumbai

>>>>>

>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

>> <suneelhooda@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing

>>>> your

>>>>>> learned views on this topic,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

>>>> available

>>>>>> for free download),

>>>>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

>> ways

>>>> to

>>>>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as

>>>>> Santhanam

>>>>>> used it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Suneel hooda

>>>>>>

>>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

>>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

>> [sunil]:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

>> suneelhooda@

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

>> back,

>>>>> grab

>>>>>>>> some coffee and read on...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

>>>> predictive

>>>>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

>>>> this art

>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

>> techniques.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

>> with

>>>> most

>>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

>> what I

>>>> use

>>>>>>>> personally,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like

>> to

>>>> hear

>>>>> as

>>>>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

>>>> would

>>>>> rate

>>>>>>>> them Â– so that we can see some consensus emerging

> based on

>>> a

>>>>>>> dasa's

>>>>>>>> usage popularity

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

>>>> survived

>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

>>>> system

>>>>> fell

>>>>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

>> rules to

>>>>> apply

>>>>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

>>>> though not

>>>>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

>>>> northern

>>>>>> India

>>>>>>>> because it consistently works!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

>> that

>>>>> play

>>>>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

>> describe

>>>> how

>>>>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

>>>> accurate

>>>>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

>> timing

>>>>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

>> what

>>>>> gives

>>>>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

>> very

>>>>> unique

>>>>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

>> approach,

>>>> if I

>>>>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

>>>> used is

>>>>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

>>>> subject.

>>>>> The

>>>>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

>>>> will

>>>>> post

>>>>>>>> a section on it.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

>> this

>>>> dasa

>>>>> is

>>>>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

>>>> since if

>>>>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

>> IS ,

>>>> that

>>>>> is

>>>>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

>>>> manner

>>>>> e.g

>>>>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

>>>> quickly in

>>>>>> few

>>>>>>> secs I use it this way

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

>>>>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

>>>>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

>>>>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

>> gone

>>>> to

>>>>> self

>>>>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

>>>> Chronic

>>>>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

>> GK-

>>>> Gnati

>>>>>>> Karaka disease giver)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

>>>> Brown -

>>>>> his

>>>>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Gordon Brown

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Natal Chart

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> February 20, 1951

>>>>>>> Time: 8:40:00

>>>>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

>>>>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

>>>>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

>> any

>>>>> software

>>>>>>> which gives that correctly.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

>>>>

>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

>>>> lagnas. I

>>>>>> know

>>>>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

>>>> me, it

>>>>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

>>>> describes

>>>>>> its

>>>>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

>> that

>>>> there

>>>>>> are

>>>>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

>> simple

>>>> non

>>>>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do

>> use

>>>> the

>>>>>> dasa

>>>>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

>>>> given me

>>>>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it

>> deep

>>>>>> study.

>>>>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

>> Moon/Sun

>>>> when

>>>>>> all

>>>>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

>> but

>>>> why

>>>>>> Moon

>>>>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

>>>> exalted in

>>>>> D7

>>>>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

>>>> agree it

>>>>> is

>>>>>>> in 4H of D7

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

>>>> Nirriti

>>>>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

>> the

>>>> cause

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

>> one of

>>>> the

>>>>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

>> this 3rd

>>>>> child

>>>>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

>> the

>>>>>> effects

>>>>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

>> ruling

>>>>>> yogini

>>>>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

>> take

>>>>> yogini

>>>>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

>>>> each

>>>>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

>> time

>>>> comes.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

>> little

>>>>> time

>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> use it

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

>>>>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

>>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

>>>>> effecting

>>>>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

>> child

>>>>> (from

>>>>>>> 5H)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> all indicating the EVENT

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

>>>> FINE, NO

>>>>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

>>>>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

>> spirits !)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

>>>>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

>>>>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

>> of

>>>>> chronic

>>>>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

>> diseasegiver

>>>> etc

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

>> can

>>>>> happen

>>>>>> in

>>>>>>> this period

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ANOTHER WAY

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

>>>>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

>>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

>> Karmic

>>>>> issues

>>>>>> of

>>>>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

>> situation

>>>> that

>>>>>> can

>>>>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

>> being

>>>> the

>>>>> 8th

>>>>>>> lord of chronic diseases

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

>> this

>>>>> chart)

>>>>>> we

>>>>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

>>>>> diseases

>>>>>> in

>>>>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

>>>> diseases, &

>>>>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

>>>> hospitals,

>>>>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

>> chronic

>>>>>> diseases

>>>>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

>> disease, big

>>>>> time

>>>>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sunil John

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mumbai

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

>>>> dasas,

>>>>> it

>>>>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

>> some

>>>>>> hints-

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

>> and

>>>> the

>>>>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

>>>>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

>>>> seeing

>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

>>>> being

>>>>>>>> shared with many people.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

>> change

>>>> of

>>>>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

>>>> that

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

>>>> people

>>>>>> who

>>>>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

>> vimsottotri is

>>>> not

>>>>>>>> very time sensitive.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach Â– a planet in

>>>>>> Kendra/kona

>>>>>>> /--

>>>>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

>>>>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

>> lagna/5

>>>>> th/9th

>>>>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

>> results

>>>> based

>>>>> on

>>>>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

>> that in

>>>>> mind,

>>>>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

>>>>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

>> with

>>>> most

>>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

>> other

>>>> yogini

>>>>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

>> consistently.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

>> do

>>>> you

>>>>> use

>>>>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

December 6, 2006

Dear Sunil,

Please remove "Mr." from my name.

My birth data - March 8, 1967; 17.40 IST; Jodhpur (Raj) - 26N17 / 73E04 (no issues in sharing the chart -you can further share for your references, if warranted). Yes, I have a younger brother - (lives away from us in Australia). I had many accidents - and with the grace of God - got saved - almost unscratched - Last one in dec 1999 (when I was returning from Karoi / Kota - after meeting bhrigu astrologer) - head on collision with truck - seeing the damaged car - no one could believe that - entire family survived almost unscratched.

There is another interesting fact - per lahiri - my moon is in Dhanistha (simha navamsa - with rahu); and per his local panchang - it is in Sravana (karaka navamsa with guru). If moon is taken in Sravana - then Sun becomes AK (else it is Moon).

The local panchang is called bhrampakshi panchang. Quite old one - perhaps few hundred years. The panchangkarta is royal astrologer for Jodhpur Kingdom (for those long years). They do not take shani moving back to previous sign (currently - it is in Karaka, and will come in May/June 2007 to simha). His budha position also changes marginally.

I tried to match his dasa / moon by switching to topocentric / true positions / lahiri less 54 seconds.

I absolutely agree with you that - some of these downtown astrologers, know how to unlock any specific dosha. One of such astrologer, in my discussion, did reveal to me - that no dosha works, unless there is affliction to 8th house. 8th house is "Pinda" - our source of birth / origin and chart can not grow beyond its strength; and it also works as protection shield for this life. Somewhat - it coorelates with the 8th house importance given in Deve keralam as well (of course, can be expanded to other houses as well). We may like to say - about their intuition powers, but in fact - they are privy to some secret clues, which is passed on to them - in family.

Another astrologer - (very good in his prediction..though he rarely does) - suggested me to take transit from the inverse chart - say for leo lagna - read chart from kumbha (as transit positions are in sky - and from earth - it is to be taken like mirror image). His predictive success are excellent. I have not explored it as yet, but he refused to reveal the source of such reference (he himself being panchangkarta - and must have some serious wok done in this).

BTW, all these astrologers (referred above) are not commercial ones, and do not have any major interest in writing books / reading for name/fame etc.

regards / Prafulla Gang

People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.

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suniljohn_2002

Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:03:59 -0000

Re: $3 of a prediction & parampara of 600 yrs/Prafulla's experience

Om Datta Guru

Dear Mr. Prafulla,

Fantastic mail from you. Can I ask u ur chart details here or privately,

I would be interested in seeing ur chart in retrospect of what this

jyotishi said re the retrogression. If it is not possible for you to

share I understand & no worries re it.

Would u by any chance know which ayanamsa this traditionalist used

I think with the Mars Ketu in the 3rd house I still would have said

vehicular accidents but only damage to Metal (Mars) being 12th from 4th.

Ketu would create that loss of metal or no younger siblings.

But sometimes I have found lot of afflictions on 3rd house and still

younger siblings are present.

Yes u recollect well, the name of the Bhrigu Pandit is Nathuramji.

Regards,

Sunil

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I have amazing experience with few downtown astrologers (doing chart

reading from generations - and perhaps, they do not reveal secret

clues).

>

> My chart - per lahiri, has mars (d) with ketu in 3rd house, and when I

met one- after few minutes - he observed my chest skin and said that -

my mars must be retrograde; and will look at chart only after verifying

the chart. He is panchang karta himself - digged 1967 panchang and to my

surprise - it was retrograde in his bhrampakshi panchang. Twice - he

warned me one day before the accident. I happen to be living in Dubai

those years - and my friend called me to tell, that he wants to speak

with me. He asked me to find peepal tree urgently (difficult in islamic

country those days - 1996) and offer milk/honey/water the same day. Next

day - my fourwheel got hit by a big mini bus at the speed of 140 and

luckily we survived. Next day, second car's engine got fire. Upon

calling him - his first question was about second accident. He was

amazingly accurate.

>

> My message is not to undermine modern astrologers, but many of these

downtown astrologers are indeed very good.

>

> I did visit Karoi (Bhilwara Distt) and met Bhrigu Samhita pandit -

Nathu ram ji (not sure of his name), but could not find very accurate

readings.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.

>

> ************************************************

>

> >

> > suniljohn_2002

> > Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:02:37 -0000

> >

> > $3 of a prediction & parapara of 600 yrs

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view &

self

> > exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further, but

> > still would like to clarify.

> >

> > I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

examples

> > & coffee is required.

> >

> > A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30 astrologers

> > till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

internet

> > lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

shlokas

> > or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show

their

> > scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide, all

of

> > their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

meanwhile

> > he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does all

the

> > remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

village

> > astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person

gets

> > big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

> > business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that by

Dec

> > 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

> > between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

> >

> > Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

> > believing what has happened.

> >

> > These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the fake

> > ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

reference

> > but poorest as humans or predictors.

> >

> > B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which is

> > about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs

this

> > traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I

will

> > have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an astrologer &

> > then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still they

do

> > not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

> >

> > Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

> >

> > The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject title

> > Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date &

> > Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list

wrote to

> > me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if asking

> > directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only

with

> > lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not want

to

> > learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or corrupted

him

> > with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in North.

Such

> > people should be left untouched like a virgin.

> >

> > Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it clear,

D60

> > is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have

seen,

> > but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am

going

> > deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset since

after

> > visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50 yrs

of

> > astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

> > solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

> >

> > Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced the

> > Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the pandit

to

> > hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this list

went

> > to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming very

> > disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

> > spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

recites.

> > Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and

this

> > Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to 73

of

> > this mentor.

> >

> > Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full

Bhakti,

> > but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so excited

that

> > ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life but

it

> > wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

> > beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of Baa

Bahu

> > aur baby)

> >

> > Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most lists

have

> > become platform for.

> >

> > best

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Sunil,

> >>

> >> I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books (Major

> >> part) but also

> >> academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

> >> learning,

> >> and also attending lectures

> >> 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

> >> constellations) charts

> >> are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which

gives

> >> me fortunately

> >> a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

> >> conformity may

> >> not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting

the

> >> right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

> >>

> >> I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come up

> >> with

> >> stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

> >> having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

> >> more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

> >> that the

> >> scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not

many

> >> know to use

> >> the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

> >> divisional charts

> >> or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain

age,

> >> they

> >> are required to help in the income sources of the household.

> >> So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of householders

> >> each

> >> Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand

and

> >> then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

> >> but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

> >> able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again

with

> >> due

> >> respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in

city

> >> through

> >> various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

> >> shlokas

> >> which the village astrologers know by heart.

> >>

> >> Best wishes,

> >> Bhaskar.

> >>

> >> , "suniljohn_2002"

> >> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Om Datta Guru

> >>>

> >>> Dear Bhaskar,

> >>>

> >>> Reply as [sunil]:

> >>>

> >>> , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Sunil,

> >>>>

> >>>> //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> >>>> uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

> >>>> emphasise transits'//

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really special

> >> way'

> >>> and not the ordinary way we use.

> >>>

> >>>> I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

> >>>> ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

> >>>> or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

> >>>> the native.

> >>>

> >>> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also stimulate

> >>> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months

back

> >> that

> >>> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

> >>> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

> >> astrologer

> >>> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

> >>> astrologer sees.

> >>>

> >>> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

internet

> >>> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not what

> >> is

> >>> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success. We

go

> >>> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

> >> maximum

> >>> Navamsa

> >>>

> >>> Sunil

> >>>

> >>> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

> >>>> chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits

have

> >>>> the power to offer .

> >>>> For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying 6th

> >>>> house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

> >>>> and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

> >> transit,

> >>>> comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

> >>>> placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the physical

> >>>> health of the native is going to take a beating which the transit

> >> in

> >>>> consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

> >>>>

> >>>> This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the 11th

> >> or

> >>>> antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the native

> >>>> health wise.

> >>>>

> >>>> Best wishes,

> >>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>

> >>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> >>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Om Datta Guru

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Suneel,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer

> >> it at

> >>>>> all).

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

> >> Avayogi &

> >>>>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

> >> then

> >>>> its

> >>>>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

> >> Santhanam

> >>>>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

> >> would

> >>>> make

> >>>>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

> >>>> wouldn't

> >>>>> indicate at all or not easily.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u would

> >>>> like to

> >>>>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna), its

> >> not

> >>>> easy

> >>>>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

> >>>> statistically

> >>>>> test it how much it works.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to AL

> >>>> gives

> >>>>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working

> >> at

> >>>>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

> >>>> job.

> >>>>> (there are some riders I hear)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL (indu

> >>>> lagna)

> >>>>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

> >>>> jyotish

> >>>>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

> >> uses it

> >>>> in a

> >>>>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

> >>>> transits'

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Sunil John

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Mumbai

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> >> <suneelhooda@>

> >>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for sharing

> >>>> your

> >>>>>> learned views on this topic,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

> >>>> available

> >>>>>> for free download),

> >>>>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

> >> ways

> >>>> to

> >>>>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or as

> >>>>> Santhanam

> >>>>>> used it.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Suneel hooda

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

> >>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hi,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

> >> [sunil]:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

> >> suneelhooda@

> >>>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

> >> back,

> >>>>> grab

> >>>>>>>> some coffee and read on...

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

> >>>> predictive

> >>>>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

> >>>> this art

> >>>>>> as

> >>>>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

> >> techniques.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

> >> with

> >>>> most

> >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

> >> what I

> >>>> use

> >>>>>>>> personally,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like

> >> to

> >>>> hear

> >>>>> as

> >>>>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

> >>>> would

> >>>>> rate

> >>>>>>>> them Ã‚Â– so that we can see some consensus emerging

> > based on

> >>> a

> >>>>>>> dasa's

> >>>>>>>> usage popularity

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> >>>> survived

> >>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

> >>>> system

> >>>>> fell

> >>>>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

> >> rules to

> >>>>> apply

> >>>>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

> >>>> though not

> >>>>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

> >>>> northern

> >>>>>> India

> >>>>>>>> because it consistently works!

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

> >> that

> >>>>> play

> >>>>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

> >> describe

> >>>> how

> >>>>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

> >>>> accurate

> >>>>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

> >> timing

> >>>>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

> >> what

> >>>>> gives

> >>>>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

> >> very

> >>>>> unique

> >>>>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

> >> approach,

> >>>> if I

> >>>>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

> >>>> used is

> >>>>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

> >>>> subject.

> >>>>> The

> >>>>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

> >>>> will

> >>>>> post

> >>>>>>>> a section on it.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

> >> this

> >>>> dasa

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

> >>>> since if

> >>>>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

> >> IS ,

> >>>> that

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

> >>>> manner

> >>>>> e.g

> >>>>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

> >>>> quickly in

> >>>>>> few

> >>>>>>> secs I use it this way

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

> >>>>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

> >>>>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

> >>>>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

> >> gone

> >>>> to

> >>>>> self

> >>>>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

> >>>> Chronic

> >>>>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

> >> GK-

> >>>> Gnati

> >>>>>>> Karaka disease giver)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

> >>>> Brown -

> >>>>> his

> >>>>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Gordon Brown

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Natal Chart

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> February 20, 1951

> >>>>>>> Time: 8:40:00

> >>>>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> >>>>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

> >>>>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

> >> any

> >>>>> software

> >>>>>>> which gives that correctly.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> >>>>

> >>>>> to

> >>>>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

> >>>> lagnas. I

> >>>>>> know

> >>>>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

> >>>> me, it

> >>>>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

> >>>> describes

> >>>>>> its

> >>>>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

> >> that

> >>>> there

> >>>>>> are

> >>>>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

> >> simple

> >>>> non

> >>>>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do

> >> use

> >>>> the

> >>>>>> dasa

> >>>>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

> >>>> given me

> >>>>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it

> >> deep

> >>>>>> study.

> >>>>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

> >> Moon/Sun

> >>>> when

> >>>>>> all

> >>>>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

> >> but

> >>>> why

> >>>>>> Moon

> >>>>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

> >>>> exalted in

> >>>>> D7

> >>>>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

> >>>> agree it

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>> in 4H of D7

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

> >>>> Nirriti

> >>>>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

> >> the

> >>>> cause

> >>>>> of

> >>>>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

> >> one of

> >>>> the

> >>>>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

> >> this 3rd

> >>>>> child

> >>>>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

> >> the

> >>>>>> effects

> >>>>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

> >> ruling

> >>>>>> yogini

> >>>>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

> >> take

> >>>>> yogini

> >>>>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

> >>>> each

> >>>>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

> >> time

> >>>> comes.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

> >> little

> >>>>> time

> >>>>>> to

> >>>>>>> use it

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

> >>>>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

> >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

> >>>>> effecting

> >>>>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

> >> child

> >>>>> (from

> >>>>>>> 5H)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> all indicating the EVENT

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

> >>>> FINE, NO

> >>>>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> >>>>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

> >> spirits !)

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

> >>>>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

> >>>>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

> >> of

> >>>>> chronic

> >>>>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

> >> diseasegiver

> >>>> etc

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

> >> can

> >>>>> happen

> >>>>>> in

> >>>>>>> this period

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> ANOTHER WAY

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

> >>>>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

> >>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

> >> Karmic

> >>>>> issues

> >>>>>> of

> >>>>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

> >> situation

> >>>> that

> >>>>>> can

> >>>>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

> >> being

> >>>> the

> >>>>> 8th

> >>>>>>> lord of chronic diseases

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

> >> this

> >>>>> chart)

> >>>>>> we

> >>>>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

> >>>>> diseases

> >>>>>> in

> >>>>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

> >>>> diseases, &

> >>>>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

> >>>> hospitals,

> >>>>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

> >> chronic

> >>>>>> diseases

> >>>>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

> >> disease, big

> >>>>> time

> >>>>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Sunil John

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Mumbai

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

> >>>> dasas,

> >>>>> it

> >>>>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

> >> some

> >>>>>> hints-

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

> >> and

> >>>> the

> >>>>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

> >>>>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

> >>>> seeing

> >>>>> is

> >>>>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

> >>>> being

> >>>>>>>> shared with many people.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

> >> change

> >>>> of

> >>>>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

> >>>> that

> >>>>> the

> >>>>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

> >>>> people

> >>>>>> who

> >>>>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

> >> vimsottotri is

> >>>> not

> >>>>>>>> very time sensitive.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach Ã‚Â– a planet in

> >>>>>> Kendra/kona

> >>>>>>> /--

> >>>>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> >>>>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> >> lagna/5

> >>>>> th/9th

> >>>>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

> >> results

> >>>> based

> >>>>> on

> >>>>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

> >> that in

> >>>>> mind,

> >>>>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> >>>>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

> >> with

> >>>> most

> >>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

> >> other

> >>>> yogini

> >>>>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

> >> consistently.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

> >> do

> >>>> you

> >>>>> use

> >>>>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

December 6, 2006

Dear Sunil,

Male.

I request other members also to share their experiences. It helps in understanding principles better.

BTW, Solan Panchangkarta - Hardev ji learnt from Bhrampakshi "pouplarly known locally as chandu panchang" panchangmaker family and there are few recorded conversation on this. Unfortunately, most of local panchangmakers copies lahiri ones.

regards / Prafulla Gang

There are some things you learn best in calm, and some in storm.

************************************************

>

> suniljohn_2002

> Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:56:10 -0000

>

> Re: $3 of a prediction & parampara of 600

> yrs/Prafulla's experience

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> If I may ask are you male or female.

>

> I shall reply back in length with some queries but fantastic mail from

> your end, the best in the last 1 month that i have been scanning this

> list off and on.

>

> U wrote: BTW, all these astrologers (referred above) are not commercial

> ones, and do not

> have any major interest in writing books / reading for name/fame etc.

>

> Sunil: This is the true beauty of astrology in its purest form, the name

> fame money just doesn't matter to them, its as if these true sages have

> merged with the TRUE ESSENCE of astrology, I love such souls, I just

> love them.

>

> Am just hurrying off somewhere and trying to finish previous mails, so

> sorry.

>

> best (for best wishes)

>

> Sunil

>

> P.S: for others, some wrote to me asking what is the $3 of a prediction

> in subject heading, that was the amount my friend had given as dakshina,

> only $3 & compare it to $250 he paid earlier to one of the famous

> astrologers, when it comes to right guidance money doesn't matter though

> but for someone who is paying his last pennies for astro consultation he

> better get correct guidance.

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>>

>> Dear Sunil,

>>

>> Please remove "Mr." from my name.

>>

>> My birth data - March 8, 1967; 17.40 IST; Jodhpur (Raj) - 26N17 /

> 73E04 (no issues in sharing the chart -you can further share for your

> references, if warranted). Yes, I have a younger brother - (lives away

> from us in Australia). I had many accidents - and with the grace of God

> - got saved - almost unscratched - Last one in dec 1999 (when I was

> returning from Karoi / Kota - after meeting bhrigu astrologer) - head on

> collision with truck - seeing the damaged car - no one could believe

> that - entire family survived almost unscratched.

>>

>> There is another interesting fact - per lahiri - my moon is in

> Dhanistha (simha navamsa - with rahu); and per his local panchang - it

> is in Sravana (karaka navamsa with guru). If moon is taken in Sravana -

> then Sun becomes AK (else it is Moon).

>>

>> The local panchang is called bhrampakshi panchang. Quite old one -

> perhaps few hundred years. The panchangkarta is royal astrologer for

> Jodhpur Kingdom (for those long years). They do not take shani moving

> back to previous sign (currently - it is in Karaka, and will come in

> May/June 2007 to simha). His budha position also changes marginally.

>>

>> I tried to match his dasa / moon by switching to topocentric / true

> positions / lahiri less 54 seconds.

>>

>> I absolutely agree with you that - some of these downtown astrologers,

> know how to unlock any specific dosha. One of such astrologer, in my

> discussion, did reveal to me - that no dosha works, unless there is

> affliction to 8th house. 8th house is "Pinda" - our source of birth /

> origin and chart can not grow beyond its strength; and it also works as

> protection shield for this life. Somewhat - it coorelates with the 8th

> house importance given in Deve keralam as well (of course, can be

> expanded to other houses as well). We may like to say - about their

> intuition powers, but in fact - they are privy to some secret clues,

> which is passed on to them - in family.

>>

>> Another astrologer - (very good in his prediction..though he rarely

> does) - suggested me to take transit from the inverse chart - say for

> leo lagna - read chart from kumbha (as transit positions are in sky -

> and from earth - it is to be taken like mirror image). His predictive

> success are excellent. I have not explored it as yet, but he refused to

> reveal the source of such reference (he himself being panchangkarta -

> and must have some serious wok done in this).

>>

>> BTW, all these astrologers (referred above) are not commercial ones,

> and do not have any major interest in writing books / reading for

> name/fame etc.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.

>>

>> ************************************************

>>

>> suniljohn_2002

>> Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:03:59 -0000

>>

>> Re: $3 of a prediction & parampara of 600

> yrs/Prafulla's experience

>> Om Datta Guru

>>

>> Dear Mr. Prafulla,

>>

>> Fantastic mail from you. Can I ask u ur chart details here or

> privately,

>> I would be interested in seeing ur chart in retrospect of what this

>> jyotishi said re the retrogression. If it is not possible for you to

>> share I understand & no worries re it.

>>

>> Would u by any chance know which ayanamsa this traditionalist used

>>

>> I think with the Mars Ketu in the 3rd house I still would have said

>> vehicular accidents but only damage to Metal (Mars) being 12th from

> 4th.

>> Ketu would create that loss of metal or no younger siblings.

>>

>> But sometimes I have found lot of afflictions on 3rd house and still

>> younger siblings are present.

>>

>> Yes u recollect well, the name of the Bhrigu Pandit is Nathuramji.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Sunil

>> , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

>>>

>>> Dear Sunil,

>>>

>>> I have amazing experience with few downtown astrologers (doing chart

>> reading from generations - and perhaps, they do not reveal secret

>> clues).

>>>

>>> My chart - per lahiri, has mars (d) with ketu in 3rd house, and when

> I

>> met one- after few minutes - he observed my chest skin and said that -

>> my mars must be retrograde; and will look at chart only after

> verifying

>> the chart. He is panchang karta himself - digged 1967 panchang and to

> my

>> surprise - it was retrograde in his bhrampakshi panchang. Twice - he

>> warned me one day before the accident. I happen to be living in Dubai

>> those years - and my friend called me to tell, that he wants to speak

>> with me. He asked me to find peepal tree urgently (difficult in

> islamic

>> country those days - 1996) and offer milk/honey/water the same day.

> Next

>> day - my fourwheel got hit by a big mini bus at the speed of 140 and

>> luckily we survived. Next day, second car's engine got fire. Upon

>> calling him - his first question was about second accident. He was

>> amazingly accurate.

>>>

>>> My message is not to undermine modern astrologers, but many of these

>> downtown astrologers are indeed very good.

>>>

>>> I did visit Karoi (Bhilwara Distt) and met Bhrigu Samhita pandit -

>> Nathu ram ji (not sure of his name), but could not find very accurate

>> readings.

>>>

>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>

>>> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

> care.

>>>

>>> ************************************************

>>>

>>>>

>>>> suniljohn_2002@

>>>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:02:37 -0000

>>>>

>>>> $3 of a prediction & parapara of 600 yrs

>>>>

>>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>>

>>>> Dear Bhaskar,

>>>>

>>>> These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view

> &

>> self

>>>> exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further,

> but

>>>> still would like to clarify.

>>>>

>>>> I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

>> examples

>>>> & coffee is required.

>>>>

>>>> A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30

> astrologers

>>>> till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

>> internet

>>>> lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

>> shlokas

>>>> or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show

>> their

>>>> scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide,

> all

>> of

>>>> their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

>> meanwhile

>>>> he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does all

>> the

>>>> remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

>> village

>>>> astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person

>> gets

>>>> big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

>>>> business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that

> by

>> Dec

>>>> 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

>>>> between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

>>>>

>>>> Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

>>>> believing what has happened.

>>>>

>>>> These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the

> fake

>>>> ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

>> reference

>>>> but poorest as humans or predictors.

>>>>

>>>> B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which

> is

>>>> about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs

>> this

>>>> traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I

>> will

>>>> have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an astrologer

> &

>>>> then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still

> they

>> do

>>>> not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

>>>>

>>>> Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

>>>>

>>>> The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject

> title

>>>> Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date

> &

>>>> Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list

>> wrote to

>>>> me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if

> asking

>>>> directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only

>> with

>>>> lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not want

>> to

>>>> learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or

> corrupted

>> him

>>>> with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in

> North.

>> Such

>>>> people should be left untouched like a virgin.

>>>>

>>>> Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it clear,

>> D60

>>>> is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have

>> seen,

>>>> but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am

>> going

>>>> deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset since

>> after

>>>> visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50

> yrs

>> of

>>>> astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

>>>> solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

>>>>

>>>> Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced

> the

>>>> Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the

> pandit

>> to

>>>> hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this list

>> went

>>>> to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming

> very

>>>> disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

>>>> spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

>> recites.

>>>> Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and

>> this

>>>> Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to

> 73

>> of

>>>> this mentor.

>>>>

>>>> Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full

>> Bhakti,

>>>> but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so excited

>> that

>>>> ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life

> but

>> it

>>>> wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

>>>> beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of

> Baa

>> Bahu

>>>> aur baby)

>>>>

>>>> Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most

> lists

>> have

>>>> become platform for.

>>>>

>>>> best

>>>>

>>>> SJ

>>>>

>>>> , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Sunil,

>>>>>

>>>>> I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books

> (Major

>>>>> part) but also

>>>>> academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

>>>>> learning,

>>>>> and also attending lectures

>>>>> 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

>>>>> constellations) charts

>>>>> are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which

>> gives

>>>>> me fortunately

>>>>> a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here the

>>>>> conformity may

>>>>> not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting

>> the

>>>>> right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

>>>>>

>>>>> I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come

> up

>>>>> with

>>>>> stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

>>>>> having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

>>>>> more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would say

>>>>> that the

>>>>> scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not

>> many

>>>>> know to use

>>>>> the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

>>>>> divisional charts

>>>>> or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain

>> age,

>>>>> they

>>>>> are required to help in the income sources of the household.

>>>>> So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of

> householders

>>>>> each

>>>>> Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand

>> and

>>>>> then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

>>>>> but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

>>>>> able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again

>> with

>>>>> due

>>>>> respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in

>> city

>>>>> through

>>>>> various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

>>>>> shlokas

>>>>> which the village astrologers know by heart.

>>>>>

>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>

>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Reply as [sunil]:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> , "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Sunil,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear

> he

>>>>>>> uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

>>>>>>> emphasise transits'//

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really

> special

>>>>> way'

>>>>>> and not the ordinary way we use.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

>>>>>>> ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

>>>>>>> or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

>>>>>>> the native.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also

> stimulate

>>>>>> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months

>> back

>>>>> that

>>>>>> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT ALL.

>>>>>> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

>>>>> astrologer

>>>>>> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

>>>>>> astrologer sees.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

>> internet

>>>>>> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not

> what

>>>>> is

>>>>>> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success.

> We

>> go

>>>>>> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

>>>>> maximum

>>>>>> Navamsa

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sunil

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

>>>>>>> chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits

>> have

>>>>>>> the power to offer .

>>>>>>> For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying

> 6th

>>>>>>> house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

>>>>>>> and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

>>>>> transit,

>>>>>>> comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet is

>>>>>>> placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the

> physical

>>>>>>> health of the native is going to take a beating which the

> transit

>>>>> in

>>>>>>> consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the

> 11th

>>>>> or

>>>>>>> antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the

> native

>>>>>>> health wise.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

>>>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Suneel,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer

>>>>> it at

>>>>>>>> all).

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

>>>>> Avayogi &

>>>>>>>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

>>>>> then

>>>>>>> its

>>>>>>>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

>>>>> Santhanam

>>>>>>>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

>>>>> would

>>>>>>> make

>>>>>>>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

>>>>>>> wouldn't

>>>>>>>> indicate at all or not easily.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

> would

>>>>>>> like to

>>>>>>>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

> its

>>>>> not

>>>>>>> easy

>>>>>>>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

>>>>>>> statistically

>>>>>>>> test it how much it works.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to

> AL

>>>>>>> gives

>>>>>>>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not working

>>>>> at

>>>>>>>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL giving

>>>>>>> job.

>>>>>>>> (there are some riders I hear)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

> (indu

>>>>>>> lagna)

>>>>>>>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

>>>>>>> jyotish

>>>>>>>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

>>>>> uses it

>>>>>>> in a

>>>>>>>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

>>>>>>> transits'

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sunil John

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Mumbai

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

>>>>> <suneelhooda@>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

> sharing

>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>>>> learned views on this topic,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

>>>>>>> available

>>>>>>>>> for free download),

>>>>>>>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

>>>>> ways

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or

> as

>>>>>>>> Santhanam

>>>>>>>>> used it.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Suneel hooda

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

>>>>>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

>>>>> [sunil]:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

>>>>> suneelhooda@

>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

>>>>> back,

>>>>>>>> grab

>>>>>>>>>>> some coffee and read on...

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

>>>>>>> predictive

>>>>>>>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

>>>>>>> this art

>>>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

>>>>> techniques.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

>>>>> with

>>>>>>> most

>>>>>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

>>>>> what I

>>>>>>> use

>>>>>>>>>>> personally,

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like

>>>>> to

>>>>>>> hear

>>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

>>>>>>> would

>>>>>>>> rate

>>>>>>>>>>> them ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â– so that we can see some consensus emerging

>>>> based on

>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> dasa's

>>>>>>>>>>> usage popularity

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

>>>>>>> survived

>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

>>>>>>> system

>>>>>>>> fell

>>>>>>>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

>>>>> rules to

>>>>>>>> apply

>>>>>>>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

>>>>>>> though not

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

>>>>>>> northern

>>>>>>>>> India

>>>>>>>>>>> because it consistently works!

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

>>>>> that

>>>>>>>> play

>>>>>>>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

>>>>> describe

>>>>>>> how

>>>>>>>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

>>>>>>> accurate

>>>>>>>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

>>>>> timing

>>>>>>>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

>>>>> what

>>>>>>>> gives

>>>>>>>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

>>>>> very

>>>>>>>> unique

>>>>>>>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

>>>>> approach,

>>>>>>> if I

>>>>>>>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

>>>>>>> used is

>>>>>>>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

>>>>>>> subject.

>>>>>>>> The

>>>>>>>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

>>>>>>> will

>>>>>>>> post

>>>>>>>>>>> a section on it.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

>>>>> this

>>>>>>> dasa

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

>>>>>>> since if

>>>>>>>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

>>>>> IS ,

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

>>>>>>> manner

>>>>>>>> e.g

>>>>>>>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

>>>>>>> quickly in

>>>>>>>>> few

>>>>>>>>>> secs I use it this way

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

>>>>>>>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

>>>>>>>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

>>>>>>>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

>>>>> gone

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> self

>>>>>>>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu the

>>>>>>> Chronic

>>>>>>>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

>>>>> GK-

>>>>>>> Gnati

>>>>>>>>>> Karaka disease giver)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

>>>>>>> Brown -

>>>>>>>> his

>>>>>>>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Gordon Brown

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Natal Chart

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> February 20, 1951

>>>>>>>>>> Time: 8:40:00

>>>>>>>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

>>>>>>>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

>>>>>>>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

>>>>> any

>>>>>>>> software

>>>>>>>>>> which gives that correctly.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

>>>>>>> lagnas. I

>>>>>>>>> know

>>>>>>>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

>>>>>>> me, it

>>>>>>>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

>>>>>>> describes

>>>>>>>>> its

>>>>>>>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

>>>>> that

>>>>>>> there

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

>>>>> simple

>>>>>>> non

>>>>>>>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do

>>>>> use

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> dasa

>>>>>>>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

>>>>>>> given me

>>>>>>>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it

>>>>> deep

>>>>>>>>> study.

>>>>>>>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

>>>>> Moon/Sun

>>>>>>> when

>>>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

>>>>> but

>>>>>>> why

>>>>>>>>> Moon

>>>>>>>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

>>>>>>> exalted in

>>>>>>>> D7

>>>>>>>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

>>>>>>> agree it

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> in 4H of D7

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

>>>>>>> Nirriti

>>>>>>>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> cause

>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

>>>>> one of

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

>>>>> this 3rd

>>>>>>>> child

>>>>>>>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> effects

>>>>>>>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

>>>>> ruling

>>>>>>>>> yogini

>>>>>>>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

>>>>> take

>>>>>>>> yogini

>>>>>>>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

>>>>>>> each

>>>>>>>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

>>>>> time

>>>>>>> comes.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

>>>>> little

>>>>>>>> time

>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>> use it

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

>>>>>>>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

>>>>>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in lagna

>>>>>>>> effecting

>>>>>>>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

>>>>> child

>>>>>>>> (from

>>>>>>>>>> 5H)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> all indicating the EVENT

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

>>>>>>> FINE, NO

>>>>>>>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

>>>>>>>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

>>>>> spirits !)

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

>>>>>>>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

>>>>>>>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> chronic

>>>>>>>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

>>>>> diseasegiver

>>>>>>> etc

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

>>>>> can

>>>>>>>> happen

>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>> this period

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ANOTHER WAY

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

>>>>>>>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

>>>>>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

>>>>> Karmic

>>>>>>>> issues

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

>>>>> situation

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>> can

>>>>>>>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

>>>>> being

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> 8th

>>>>>>>>>> lord of chronic diseases

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

>>>>> this

>>>>>>>> chart)

>>>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of chronic

>>>>>>>> diseases

>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

>>>>>>> diseases, &

>>>>>>>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

>>>>>>> hospitals,

>>>>>>>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

>>>>> chronic

>>>>>>>>> diseases

>>>>>>>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

>>>>> disease, big

>>>>>>>> time

>>>>>>>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Sunil John

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Mumbai

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

>>>>>>> dasas,

>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

>>>>> some

>>>>>>>>> hints-

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

>>>>> and

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

>>>>>>>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

>>>>>>> seeing

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

>>>>>>> being

>>>>>>>>>>> shared with many people.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

>>>>> change

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>> who

>>>>>>>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

>>>>> vimsottotri is

>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> very time sensitive.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â– a planet

> in

>>>>>>>>> Kendra/kona

>>>>>>>>>> /--

>>>>>>>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

>>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

>>>>> lagna/5

>>>>>>>> th/9th

>>>>>>>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

>>>>> results

>>>>>>> based

>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

>>>>> that in

>>>>>>>> mind,

>>>>>>>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

>>>>>>>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

>>>>> with

>>>>>>> most

>>>>>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

>>>>> other

>>>>>>> yogini

>>>>>>>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

>>>>> consistently.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

>>>>> do

>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>>> use

>>>>>>>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

December 6, 2006

Dear Sunil,

> 1) Very interesting mail. Can u kindly expand on Solan Panchanga - is

> this the one of the legend Hardeo Sharma Shastri

Yes Solan Panchang is of Hardeo Sharma Shastri. What I wanted to say that - he also had technical discussions (convincing) with Chandu Panchang makers - and at some stage of life, he learnt from Chandu Panchang makers.

>

> 2) Is Brahmapakshi Panchang & that of Hardeo Sharma Shastri's Solan

> Panchanga having the same details.

No - Hardeo's panchang is more closer to lahiri.

> 3) The above - can they be gotten online or through some offline

> distributor, am placed in mumbai. Which language are they in, am sure

> not in english, in regional language i only understand written hindi 60%

> so still it would be a big effort for me.

It is in Hindi. I can courier you one. Email me his address privately. Or, let me check, if it is available in Mumbai.

> 3) I have been searching for Siddha Panchanga for long, do you or anyone

> know from where I can get it, is there an online source of it

>

I heard of some local panchang at Kashi, which is also quite close to Chandu one.

regards / Prafulla Gang

There are some things you learn best in calm, and some in storm.

************************************************

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>>

>> Dear Sunil,

>>

>> Male.

>>

>> I request other members also to share their experiences. It helps in

> understanding principles better.

>>

>> BTW, Solan Panchangkarta - Hardev ji learnt from Bhrampakshi

> "pouplarly known locally as chandu panchang" panchangmaker family and

> there are few recorded conversation on this. Unfortunately, most of

> local panchangmakers copies lahiri ones.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> There are some things you learn best in calm, and some in storm.

>>

>> ************************************************

>>

>>>

>>> suniljohn_2002

>>> Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:56:10 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: $3 of a prediction & parampara of 600

>>> yrs/Prafulla's experience

>>>

>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>

>>> Dear Prafulla,

>>>

>>> If I may ask are you male or female.

>>>

>>> I shall reply back in length with some queries but fantastic mail

> from

>>> your end, the best in the last 1 month that i have been scanning

> this

>>> list off and on.

>>>

>>> U wrote: BTW, all these astrologers (referred above) are not

> commercial

>>> ones, and do not

>>> have any major interest in writing books / reading for name/fame

> etc.

>>>

>>> Sunil: This is the true beauty of astrology in its purest form, the

> name

>>> fame money just doesn't matter to them, its as if these true sages

> have

>>> merged with the TRUE ESSENCE of astrology, I love such souls, I just

>>> love them.

>>>

>>> Am just hurrying off somewhere and trying to finish previous mails,

> so

>>> sorry.

>>>

>>> best (for best wishes)

>>>

>>> Sunil

>>>

>>> P.S: for others, some wrote to me asking what is the $3 of a

> prediction

>>> in subject heading, that was the amount my friend had given as

> dakshina,

>>> only $3 & compare it to $250 he paid earlier to one of the famous

>>> astrologers, when it comes to right guidance money doesn't matter

> though

>>> but for someone who is paying his last pennies for astro

> consultation he

>>> better get correct guidance.

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Sunil,

>>>>

>>>> Please remove "Mr." from my name.

>>>>

>>>> My birth data - March 8, 1967; 17.40 IST; Jodhpur (Raj) - 26N17 /

>>> 73E04 (no issues in sharing the chart -you can further share for

> your

>>> references, if warranted). Yes, I have a younger brother - (lives

> away

>>> from us in Australia). I had many accidents - and with the grace of

> God

>>> - got saved - almost unscratched - Last one in dec 1999 (when I was

>>> returning from Karoi / Kota - after meeting bhrigu astrologer) -

> head on

>>> collision with truck - seeing the damaged car - no one could believe

>>> that - entire family survived almost unscratched.

>>>>

>>>> There is another interesting fact - per lahiri - my moon is in

>>> Dhanistha (simha navamsa - with rahu); and per his local panchang -

> it

>>> is in Sravana (karaka navamsa with guru). If moon is taken in

> Sravana -

>>> then Sun becomes AK (else it is Moon).

>>>>

>>>> The local panchang is called bhrampakshi panchang. Quite old one -

>>> perhaps few hundred years. The panchangkarta is royal astrologer for

>>> Jodhpur Kingdom (for those long years). They do not take shani

> moving

>>> back to previous sign (currently - it is in Karaka, and will come in

>>> May/June 2007 to simha). His budha position also changes marginally.

>>>>

>>>> I tried to match his dasa / moon by switching to topocentric / true

>>> positions / lahiri less 54 seconds.

>>>>

>>>> I absolutely agree with you that - some of these downtown

> astrologers,

>>> know how to unlock any specific dosha. One of such astrologer, in my

>>> discussion, did reveal to me - that no dosha works, unless there is

>>> affliction to 8th house. 8th house is "Pinda" - our source of birth

> /

>>> origin and chart can not grow beyond its strength; and it also works

> as

>>> protection shield for this life. Somewhat - it coorelates with the

> 8th

>>> house importance given in Deve keralam as well (of course, can be

>>> expanded to other houses as well). We may like to say - about their

>>> intuition powers, but in fact - they are privy to some secret clues,

>>> which is passed on to them - in family.

>>>>

>>>> Another astrologer - (very good in his prediction..though he rarely

>>> does) - suggested me to take transit from the inverse chart - say

> for

>>> leo lagna - read chart from kumbha (as transit positions are in sky

> -

>>> and from earth - it is to be taken like mirror image). His

> predictive

>>> success are excellent. I have not explored it as yet, but he refused

> to

>>> reveal the source of such reference (he himself being panchangkarta

> -

>>> and must have some serious wok done in this).

>>>>

>>>> BTW, all these astrologers (referred above) are not commercial

> ones,

>>> and do not have any major interest in writing books / reading for

>>> name/fame etc.

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

> care.

>>>>

>>>> ************************************************

>>>>

>>>> suniljohn_2002@

>>>> Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:03:59 -0000

>>>>

>>>> Re: $3 of a prediction & parampara of 600

>>> yrs/Prafulla's experience

>>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>>

>>>> Dear Mr. Prafulla,

>>>>

>>>> Fantastic mail from you. Can I ask u ur chart details here or

>>> privately,

>>>> I would be interested in seeing ur chart in retrospect of what this

>>>> jyotishi said re the retrogression. If it is not possible for you

> to

>>>> share I understand & no worries re it.

>>>>

>>>> Would u by any chance know which ayanamsa this traditionalist used

>>>>

>>>> I think with the Mars Ketu in the 3rd house I still would have said

>>>> vehicular accidents but only damage to Metal (Mars) being 12th from

>>> 4th.

>>>> Ketu would create that loss of metal or no younger siblings.

>>>>

>>>> But sometimes I have found lot of afflictions on 3rd house and

> still

>>>> younger siblings are present.

>>>>

>>>> Yes u recollect well, the name of the Bhrigu Pandit is Nathuramji.

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>>

>>>> Sunil

>>>> , Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Sunil,

>>>>>

>>>>> I have amazing experience with few downtown astrologers (doing

> chart

>>>> reading from generations - and perhaps, they do not reveal secret

>>>> clues).

>>>>>

>>>>> My chart - per lahiri, has mars (d) with ketu in 3rd house, and

> when

>>> I

>>>> met one- after few minutes - he observed my chest skin and said

> that -

>>>> my mars must be retrograde; and will look at chart only after

>>> verifying

>>>> the chart. He is panchang karta himself - digged 1967 panchang and

> to

>>> my

>>>> surprise - it was retrograde in his bhrampakshi panchang. Twice -

> he

>>>> warned me one day before the accident. I happen to be living in

> Dubai

>>>> those years - and my friend called me to tell, that he wants to

> speak

>>>> with me. He asked me to find peepal tree urgently (difficult in

>>> islamic

>>>> country those days - 1996) and offer milk/honey/water the same day.

>>> Next

>>>> day - my fourwheel got hit by a big mini bus at the speed of 140

> and

>>>> luckily we survived. Next day, second car's engine got fire. Upon

>>>> calling him - his first question was about second accident. He was

>>>> amazingly accurate.

>>>>>

>>>>> My message is not to undermine modern astrologers, but many of

> these

>>>> downtown astrologers are indeed very good.

>>>>>

>>>>> I did visit Karoi (Bhilwara Distt) and met Bhrigu Samhita pandit -

>>>> Nathu ram ji (not sure of his name), but could not find very

> accurate

>>>> readings.

>>>>>

>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>

>>>>> People don't care how much you know until they know how much you

>>> care.

>>>>>

>>>>> ************************************************

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> suniljohn_2002@

>>>>>> Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:02:37 -0000

>>>>>>

>>>>>> $3 of a prediction & parapara of 600 yrs

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> These are becoming non-astro mails (non technical i mean) of view

>>> &

>>>> self

>>>>>> exposition mails so I must refrain from continuing this further,

>>> but

>>>>>> still would like to clarify.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I have great respect for city astrologers too, let me give two

>>>> examples

>>>>>> & coffee is required.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> A) Friend left job on Dec last year, consulted nearly 30

>>> astrologers

>>>>>> till now, many of them famous authors & big time GURUS on many

>>>> internet

>>>>>> lists, most of these astrologers do not speak without quoting

>>>> shlokas

>>>>>> or asking for classical reference in conversations trying to show

>>>> their

>>>>>> scholarliness I guess, person got frustrated thinks of suicide,

>>> all

>>>> of

>>>>>> their predictions failed, family friends desert him, & in the

>>>> meanwhile

>>>>>> he lost 8 lakhs in shares & many golden opportunities. He does

> all

>>>> the

>>>>>> remedies as per what these authors said. He is then taken to a

>>>> village

>>>>>> astrologer who gives him stotras to recite, within a week person

>>>> gets

>>>>>> big time job opportunity with one of the biggest names in diamond

>>>>>> business in the world & at almost top post. He was also told that

>>> by

>>>> Dec

>>>>>> 12th it would happen, incidentally his boss has asked him to join

>>>>>> between 12th to Dec 15th 06.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yesterday on Datta Jayanti his deal was sealed, he called me not

>>>>>> believing what has happened.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> These traditionalists know how to UNLOCK a chart & are not the

>>> fake

>>>>>> ones whom we find on internet lists, richest in egos & textual

>>>> reference

>>>>>> but poorest as humans or predictors.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> B) I do not feel like writing this long peice on2nd example which

>>> is

>>>>>> about unlocking of curse of spouse case - internet lists GURUS vs

>>>> this

>>>>>> traditionalist, discussing that chart would only help here but I

>>>> will

>>>>>> have to ask permission of that friend who himself is an

> astrologer

>>> &

>>>>>> then these subtle cases which make or mar a persons life, still

>>> they

>>>> do

>>>>>> not interest the intellegensia I guess & am becoming busy now.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Not for u Bhaskar: Just General for the list

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The last time I wrote about another traditionalist, in subject

>>> title

>>>>>> Guaranteed Astrologer few months back, who predicts with the Date

>>> &

>>>>>> Vilasrao Deshmukh consults him, well many big wigs of this list

>>>> wrote to

>>>>>> me privately shamelessly asking for his name & address as if

>>> asking

>>>>>> directly on the list would belittle their status. I replied only

>>>> with

>>>>>> lies to them as these commercial minded & fame seekers do not

> want

>>>> to

>>>>>> learn astrology but would have only spoilt that old man or

>>> corrupted

>>>> him

>>>>>> with fake sweetness as they have done to the other master in

>>> North.

>>>> Such

>>>>>> people should be left untouched like a virgin.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Coming back to u Bhaskar, i love divisionals let me make it

> clear,

>>>> D60

>>>>>> is my favorite and last 3 months thats the only divisional I have

>>>> seen,

>>>>>> but one of my old mentor says without perfecting Rasi where I am

>>>> going

>>>>>> deeper. I sometimes agree with him understanding his mindset

> since

>>>> after

>>>>>> visiting more than 1000 village astrologers in his span of 45-50

>>> yrs

>>>> of

>>>>>> astrological career he has found them better predictors & problem

>>>>>> solvers than the metropolitan astrologer.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ofcourse I feel it is karma also, he was the one who introduced

>>> the

>>>>>> Bhilwara Bhrigu Pandit to KNRao, who in return introduced the

>>> pandit

>>>> to

>>>>>> hundreds through this list. Now me & Sreeram Srinivas of this

> list

>>>> went

>>>>>> to the Bhrigu Pandit & got non impressive predictions becoming

>>> very

>>>>>> disappointed but my mentor when he visited him decade back got 73

>>>>>> spectacular predictions to the point including the mantra he

>>>> recites.

>>>>>> Mentor said his wife also doesn't know the mantra he recites and

>>>> this

>>>>>> Bhrigu Reader knew. We hardly got 8-10 predictions as compared to

>>> 73

>>>> of

>>>>>> this mentor.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ofcourse people will say me & Sreeram went to him not with full

>>>> Bhakti,

>>>>>> but let me tell u i waited for 2 yrs to go to him & was so

> excited

>>>> that

>>>>>> ultimately i would get the most fantastic prediction of my life

>>> but

>>>> it

>>>>>> wasn't so which doesn't make me hate that pandit, he had the most

>>>>>> beautiful smile when we wanted to photograph him (like Gattu of

>>> Baa

>>>> Bahu

>>>>>> aur baby)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Long mail and all this looks like show off writing which most

>>> lists

>>>> have

>>>>>> become platform for.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> best

>>>>>>

>>>>>> SJ

>>>>>>

>>>>>> , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Sunil,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I will clear myself first. I have not only learnt from books

>>> (Major

>>>>>>> part) but also

>>>>>>> academically from one of the best Vedic institutions -and still

>>>>>>> learning,

>>>>>>> and also attending lectures

>>>>>>> 2 hours every week where the non traditional methods (Only

>>>>>>> constellations) charts

>>>>>>> are put up and discussed with around few chosen students, which

>>>> gives

>>>>>>> me fortunately

>>>>>>> a chance to discus with one of the best brains in India. here

> the

>>>>>>> conformity may

>>>>>>> not be there with the genral rules, but more emphasis in getting

>>>> the

>>>>>>> right accurate results (predictions) are given weightage to.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I give full respect to the village astrologers who at times come

>>> up

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>> stunning predictions, just with the Rashi and Navamsha,

>>>>>>> having born in a small town myself, in South India almost met

>>>>>>> more than 20 village astrologers in my life time. Yet I would

> say

>>>>>>> that the

>>>>>>> scientific base and way of study is missing in the villages. Not

>>>> many

>>>>>>> know to use

>>>>>>> the scientific calculator there, not many have the time to make

>>>>>>> divisional charts

>>>>>>> or study them, or buy good books or study them. After a certain

>>>> age,

>>>>>>> they

>>>>>>> are required to help in the income sources of the household.

>>>>>>> So they get on the job of predicting for the bunch of

>>> householders

>>>>>>> each

>>>>>>> Astrologer has as per his fathers goodwill, and doing Karma Kand

>>>> and

>>>>>>> then do not get time for further enquiries. I do not blame them,

>>>>>>> but these priveleges we do have, right at this moment we are

>>>>>>> able to dicuss on the Net with so many learned around. So again

>>>> with

>>>>>>> due

>>>>>>> respects to them, I would say I am fortunate enough to learn in

>>>> city

>>>>>>> through

>>>>>>> various sources, at the same time I miss the memorisation of the

>>>>>>> shlokas

>>>>>>> which the village astrologers know by heart.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

>>>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Reply as [sunil]:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> , "Bhaskar"

>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Dear Sunil,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> //.........can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear

>>> he

>>>>>>>>> uses it in a special way though he often has said 'Do not over

>>>>>>>>> emphasise transits'//

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> [sunil]:When I wrote he has a special way, I meant 'really

>>> special

>>>>>>> way'

>>>>>>>> and not the ordinary way we use.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I believe he must have said this, because we have to remind

>>>>>>>>> ousrselves at times, that what the natal chart does not show

>>>>>>>>> or signify, that the transit cannot result in or produce to

>>>>>>>>> the native.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> [sunil]: yes we know this n practice it, but let me also

>>> stimulate

>>>>>>>> peoples imagination though I have mentioned it here few months

>>>> back

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>> if one visits some traditionalists they do not use Dasas AT

> ALL.

>>>>>>>> Ofcourse there is huge difference between how a Cosmopolitan

>>>>>>> astrologer

>>>>>>>> (who has only learnt from books) sees a chart and how a village

>>>>>>>> astrologer sees.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I had to learn it the hard way, what we sitting in cities &

>>>> internet

>>>>>>>> lists think as to what are infallible rules of jyotish is not

>>> what

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> what these rare village astrologers use with stunning success.

>>> We

>>>> go

>>>>>>>> into divisionals in a second and they do not go beyond Rasi or

>>>>>>> maximum

>>>>>>>> Navamsa

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sunil

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Here its the major activities we are talking of ,in the

>>>>>>>>> chart and not the minor effects, which of course the transits

>>>> have

>>>>>>>>> the power to offer .

>>>>>>>>> For instance if the native is running a MahaDasha signifying

>>> 6th

>>>>>>>>> house results and the antar dasha is of the 12th house Lord,

>>>>>>>>> and if during this period suppose Saturn as Lord of 6th in

>>>>>>> transit,

>>>>>>>>> comes over the ascendant cusp where already a Tamasic planet

> is

>>>>>>>>> placed in the Natal horoscope say Mars or Rahu, then the

>>> physical

>>>>>>>>> health of the native is going to take a beating which the

>>> transit

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>> consonance will also show and confirm and time the event too.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> This same transit if the native is running MahaDasha of the

>>> 11th

>>>>>>> or

>>>>>>>>> antardasha of the 5th Lord, would not be able to harm the

>>> native

>>>>>>>>> health wise.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

>>>>>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Dear Suneel,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Kindly address me as only Sunil without the ji (do not prefer

>>>>>>> it at

>>>>>>>>>> all).

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I use only Jhora by habit though it doesn't contain Yogi

>>>>>>> Avayogi &

>>>>>>>>>> Bhrigu Bindu which is my favorite.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Anyways if the KCD of Sumeet Chugh is the same as Santhanam,

>>>>>>> then

>>>>>>>>> its

>>>>>>>>>> fantastic, one of my mentors who used to sit next to late

>>>>>>> Santhanam

>>>>>>>>>> tells me that the way Santhanam used to use KCD was novel, he

>>>>>>> would

>>>>>>>>> make

>>>>>>>>>> Spectacular predictions just with KCD & those events Vim dasa

>>>>>>>>> wouldn't

>>>>>>>>>> indicate at all or not easily.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I scanned through one of ur posts with Ramapriya, maybe u

>>> would

>>>>>>>>> like to

>>>>>>>>>> experiment with Transits in reference to AL (arudha lagna),

>>> its

>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> easy

>>>>>>>>>> since there are many special rules re it but one has to

>>>>>>>>> statistically

>>>>>>>>>> test it how much it works.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Say for e.g if right dasa is running then Tr Sun in trines to

>>> AL

>>>>>>>>> gives

>>>>>>>>>> job (I have seen this working spectacularly & also not

> working

>>>>>>> at

>>>>>>>>>> times). & then at times I have seen Sun in 10th from AL

> giving

>>>>>>>>> job.

>>>>>>>>>> (there are some riders I hear)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Shri M.S Mehta has done some good work on Job timing & IL

>>> (indu

>>>>>>>>> lagna)

>>>>>>>>>> with respect to transits if i remember old articles of his.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Maybe some members esp the ones who were 5-6 yrs into the old

>>>>>>>>> jyotish

>>>>>>>>>> list can write about how Rao Saheb uses transits, I hear he

>>>>>>> uses it

>>>>>>>>> in a

>>>>>>>>>> special way though he often has said 'Do not over emphasise

>>>>>>>>> transits'

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Sunil John

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Mumbai

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

>>>>>>> <suneelhooda@>

>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to sunilji, bhaskarji and chandrashekhar ji for

>>> sharing

>>>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>>>>>> learned views on this topic,

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I usually do my KCD by hand but i believe Jaganath Hora (its

>>>>>>>>> available

>>>>>>>>>>> for free download),

>>>>>>>>>>> does the calculations for KCD, giving you various different

>>>>>>> ways

>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>> calculate, by default settings it will cast KCD as chugh or

>>> as

>>>>>>>>>> Santhanam

>>>>>>>>>>> used it.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Suneel hooda

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> , "suniljohn_2002"

>>>>>>>>>>> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Om Datta Guru

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Refreshing topic after the heat wave, my views below as

>>>>>>> [sunil]:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> , "Suneel Hooda"

>>>>>>> suneelhooda@

>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle

>>>>>>> back,

>>>>>>>>>> grab

>>>>>>>>>>>>> some coffee and read on...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

>>>>>>>>> predictive

>>>>>>>>>>>>> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master

>>>>>>>>> this art

>>>>>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon as possible but this takes time and the right

>>>>>>> techniques.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas, i have experimented

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>> most

>>>>>>>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, and the these 3 dasas are

>>>>>>> what I

>>>>>>>>> use

>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I am making this post is because I would like

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> hear

>>>>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> to what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you

>>>>>>>>> would

>>>>>>>>>> rate

>>>>>>>>>>>>> them ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â‚ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â– so that we can see some consensus

> emerging

>>>>>> based on

>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>> dasa's

>>>>>>>>>>>>> usage popularity

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

>>>>>>>>> survived

>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

>>>>>>>>> system

>>>>>>>>>> fell

>>>>>>>>>>>>> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the

>>>>>>> rules to

>>>>>>>>>> apply

>>>>>>>>>>>>> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point,

>>>>>>>>> though not

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

>>>>>>>>> northern

>>>>>>>>>>> India

>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it consistently works!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>> play

>>>>>>>>>>>>> out their role in life in the following order-

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to

>>>>>>> describe

>>>>>>>>> how

>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

>>>>>>>>> accurate

>>>>>>>>>>>>> though as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months

>>>>>>> timing

>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference. This heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is

>>>>>>> what

>>>>>>>>>> gives

>>>>>>>>>>>>> strength to this dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are

>>>>>>> very

>>>>>>>>>> unique

>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the individual. I will place it on the top in my

>>>>>>> approach,

>>>>>>>>> if I

>>>>>>>>>>>>> know the birth time is accurate. The method of calculation

>>>>>>>>> used is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> what sumit chugh follows in his very good book on this

>>>>>>>>> subject.

>>>>>>>>>> The

>>>>>>>>>>>>> analysis comes with experience in handling it, and later I

>>>>>>>>> will

>>>>>>>>>> post

>>>>>>>>>>>>> a section on it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> [sunil]: Over a period of time I have realised ignoring

>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>> dasa

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> non-productive, sometimes it can be easy to see to use this

>>>>>>>>> since if

>>>>>>>>>>>> time of birth is non-accurate one would easily know if IT

>>>>>>> IS ,

>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> if one knows how to use KCD. I use it in a very simplistic

>>>>>>>>> manner

>>>>>>>>>> e.g

>>>>>>>>>>>> Gordon Browns Chart (non verified from my end) to see it

>>>>>>>>> quickly in

>>>>>>>>>>> few

>>>>>>>>>>>> secs I use it this way

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Savya group, Paramayush = 86 years):

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Cn (Magh4) MD: 2002-01-12 - 2023-01-12

>>>>>>>>>>>> Ta (PPha3) AD: 2005-08-08 - 2008-12-17

>>>>>>>>>>>> Cn (Rohi4) PD: 2006-02-26 - 2006-12-26

>>>>>>>>>>>> Li (Magh2) SD: 2006-10-17 - 2006-12-05

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Md is Cn 5H showing event of child or new opportunity

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Ta AD: 3H - not that good

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Cn PD- again 5H

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Li Sookshma Dasa: 8H (chronic diseases) lord of which has

>>>>>>> gone

>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>> self

>>>>>>>>>>>> (tensions to self) aspected by Sat R (who disposits Rahu

> the

>>>>>>>>> Chronic

>>>>>>>>>>>> diseaser, incurable disease/undetectable disease etc etc &

>>>>>>> GK-

>>>>>>>>> Gnati

>>>>>>>>>>>> Karaka disease giver)

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> All these can indicate some chronic event to Son of Gordon

>>>>>>>>> Brown -

>>>>>>>>>> his

>>>>>>>>>>>> son has been diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Gordon Brown

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Natal Chart

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> February 20, 1951

>>>>>>>>>>>> Time: 8:40:00

>>>>>>>>>>>> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

>>>>>>>>>>>> Place: 4 W 17' 00", 55 N 48' 00"

>>>>>>>>>>>> Giffnock, United Kingdom

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Query: U mentioned Sumeet Chughs method of KCD, do u know

>>>>>>> any

>>>>>>>>>> software

>>>>>>>>>>>> which gives that correctly.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga

>>>>>>>>> lagnas. I

>>>>>>>>>>> know

>>>>>>>>>>>>> its very tempting to believe that this would work, but for

>>>>>>>>> me, it

>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar

>>>>>>>>> describes

>>>>>>>>>>> its

>>>>>>>>>>>>> usage, and it works brilliantly.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> [sunil]: I find this the toughest dasa though I believe

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>> there

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> master keys people have in True Paramparas n they know

>>>>>>> simple

>>>>>>>>> non

>>>>>>>>>>>> confusing rules of interpretation of Vim Dasa, anyways I do

>>>>>>> use

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> dasa

>>>>>>>>>>>> in divisional charts and it works well for me

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I sometimes combine Vim Dasa with Kalachakra though it has

>>>>>>>>> given me

>>>>>>>>>>>> inconsistent results, maybe to be honest I haven't given it

>>>>>>> deep

>>>>>>>>>>> study.

>>>>>>>>>>>> But see for e.g Gordon brown is running Moon Dasa when

>>>>>>> Moon/Sun

>>>>>>>>> when

>>>>>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>>>>>>> this has happened, Sun AD can explain bad events for child

>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>> why

>>>>>>>>>>> Moon

>>>>>>>>>>>> when Moon is in own house in the 5th house of children &

>>>>>>>>> exalted in

>>>>>>>>>> D7

>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving not a single aspect from any malefic though I do

>>>>>>>>> agree it

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> in 4H of D7

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> In Kalachakra Moon is in Aslesha nak, in S.W direction in

>>>>>>>>> Nirriti

>>>>>>>>>>>> (Curses of Gods), so we can loosely say that this Moon is

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> cause

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem for Gordon in terms of 5H, I think I read in

>>>>>>> one of

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> posts of Margaret that he lost his first child, and now

>>>>>>> this 3rd

>>>>>>>>>> child

>>>>>>>>>>>> born with Cystic Fibrosis

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Yogini dasa - This is my third dasa and i to

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> effects

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the

>>>>>>> ruling

>>>>>>>>>>> yogini

>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I

>>>>>>> take

>>>>>>>>>> yogini

>>>>>>>>>>>>> dasa as totally independent from the natal horoscope, with

>>>>>>>>> each

>>>>>>>>>>>>> yogini having its effect on the native's life when the

>>>>>>> time

>>>>>>>>> comes.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> [sunil]: I use the way KNRao has described though I get

>>>>>>> little

>>>>>>>>>> time

>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> use it

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Same example of Gordon Brown

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Yogini Dasa (with planets replacing Yoginis):

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Ven MD: 2001-03-24 - 2008-03-24

>>>>>>>>>>>> Merc AD: 2006-02-02 - 2007-01-24

>>>>>>>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-11-18 - 2006-12-17

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> VenMD is chronic disease 8L exalted (something big) in

> lagna

>>>>>>>>>> effecting

>>>>>>>>>>>> the bhagya of the child (9th from 5th house)

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Mer AD is in 11H (6th from 6th ) & is hardcore maraka for

>>>>>>> child

>>>>>>>>>> (from

>>>>>>>>>>>> 5H)

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Jup PD is 6L in 8th from5H of children

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> all indicating the EVENT

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS

>>>>>>>>> FINE, NO

>>>>>>>>>>>>> NEED TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good

>>>>>>> spirits !)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> [sunil]: correct way

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I Like to these days use AK Kendradi Dasa

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> AK Kendradi Graha Dasa (experiences of the soul):

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Moon MD: 2004-02-20 - 2014-02-19

>>>>>>>>>>>> Rah AD: 2006-05-11 - 2007-06-21

>>>>>>>>>>>> Ket PD: 2006-11-08 - 2006-12-23

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Moon MD is in the 5H of children

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Rahu is the GK (disease) in the 12H of hospitals & also 8H

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> chronic

>>>>>>>>>>>> diseases from 5H & MD lord & also Rahu is chronic

>>>>>>> diseasegiver

>>>>>>>>> etc

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Ketu is placed in the 6H of disease

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> All indicating some clue as to a disease to child could or

>>>>>>> can

>>>>>>>>>> happen

>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>>> this period

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ANOTHER WAY

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> This I use when time permits & other things indicate

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Rahu):

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Ven MD: 2003-02-05 - 2023-02-05

>>>>>>>>>>>> Sun AD: 2006-06-07 - 2007-06-07

>>>>>>>>>>>> Jup PD: 2006-10-09 - 2006-11-27

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Vim Dasa when started from Rahu CAN indicate easily the

>>>>>>> Karmic

>>>>>>>>>> issues

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> ones life, in this chart it will show the death like

>>>>>>> situation

>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>>> can

>>>>>>>>>>>> happen to ones child since Rahu is the GK & placed in 8H

>>>>>>> being

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> 8th

>>>>>>>>>>>> lord of chronic diseases

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> So to see when these troubles can arise to ones child (in

>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>>> chart)

>>>>>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>>> can start Vim dasa from Rahu

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Ven DK (3rd house from 5H) is the MD placed in 8H of

> chronic

>>>>>>>>>> diseases

>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>>> D7 (Saptamsa)

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Sun AD is Putrakaraka (child significator) is the 6L of

>>>>>>>>> diseases, &

>>>>>>>>>>>> maraka lord (from 5H of children) placed in the 12H of

>>>>>>>>> hospitals,

>>>>>>>>>>>> sorrows & 8H of chronic diseases from 5H of children

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Sun in D7 is placed in 2nd maraka house being 7th lord

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Jup is 6L in 8H (from 5H) - 6th lord in 8th house shows

>>>>>>> chronic

>>>>>>>>>>> diseases

>>>>>>>>>>>> like cancer or death through accidents etc

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Jup is in 6H in D7 & exalted, showing something big

>>>>>>> disease, big

>>>>>>>>>> time

>>>>>>>>>>>> doctors (Jup) & in papakarari of Sat & Rahu Mars

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunil John

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Mumbai

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

>>>>>>>>> dasas,

>>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are

>>>>>>> some

>>>>>>>>>>> hints-

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> results are often "life altering" like a major change of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> place,marriage, major career changes, death etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

>>>>>>>>> seeing

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> very unique to that individual as the same pattern is not

>>>>>>>>> being

>>>>>>>>>>>>> shared with many people.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like

>>>>>>> change

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> place, accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always

>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> dasa effects you are describing, will be shared by all the

>>>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>>>> who

>>>>>>>>>>>>> are born in that fairly large "time window" as

>>>>>>> vimsottotri is

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>>> very time sensitive.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read parashar & stick with that approach ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â‚ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â– a

> planet

>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>> Kendra/kona

>>>>>>>>>>>> /--

>>>>>>>>>>>>> - own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

>>>>>>> lagna/5

>>>>>>>>>> th/9th

>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is in good houses /signs then it will give good

>>>>>>> results

>>>>>>>>> based

>>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>>>> its "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep

>>>>>>> that in

>>>>>>>>>> mind,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends /relationships etc. are shown with this dasa.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>> most

>>>>>>>>>>>>> dasas mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and

>>>>>>> other

>>>>>>>>> yogini

>>>>>>>>>>>>> dasas and the above 3 are what I find work most

>>>>>>> consistently.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

>>>>>>> do

>>>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>>>>> use

>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your approach and how would YOU rate them !

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

December 6, 2006

Your 8th cusp is in Ketu sub , Moon 12th lord in Mars star/Mars a badhka lord . Rahu Ketu and Mars days with Tuesday/Friday/Wednesday all are Accident related .Means moon transit in respective stars and day lord ,along with dasha running of these planets will have much relation.

Pipal worship is for Rahu . Praying with Honey is the best remedy. Worshipping will also do , there may be a joint Devta referred by Mars-Ketu.

The time if moved by one or two minute will give another sublord of 8th cusp and the results will change.

With Best wishes,

Inder Jit Sahni

-

Prafulla Gang

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:10 PM

RE: Re: $3 of a prediction & parampara of 600 yrs/Prafulla's experience

Dear Sunil,

Please remove "Mr." from my name.

My birth data - March 8, 1967; 17.40 IST; Jodhpur (Raj) - 26N17 / 73E04 (no issues in sharing the chart -you can further share for your references, if warranted). Yes, I have a younger brother - (lives away from us in Australia). I had many accidents - and with the grace of God - got saved - almost unscratched - Last one in dec 1999 (when I was returning from Karoi / Kota - after meeting bhrigu astrologer) - head on collision with truck - seeing the damaged car - no one could believe that - entire family survived almost unscratched.

There is another interesting fact - per lahiri - my moon is in Dhanistha (simha navamsa - with rahu); and per his local panchang - it is in Sravana (karaka navamsa with guru). If moon is taken in Sravana - then Sun becomes AK (else it is Moon).

The local panchang is called bhrampakshi panchang. Quite old one - perhaps few hundred years. The panchangkarta is royal astrologer for Jodhpur Kingdom (for those long years). They do not take shani moving back to previous sign (currently - it is in Karaka, and will come in May/June 2007 to simha).. His budha position also changes marginally.

I tried to match his dasa / moon by switching to topocentric / true positions / lahiri less 54 seconds.

I absolutely agree with you that - some of these downtown astrologers, know how to unlock any specific dosha. One of such astrologer, in my discussion, did reveal to me - that no dosha works, unless there is affliction to 8th house. 8th house is "Pinda" - our source of birth / origin and chart can not grow beyond its strength; and it also works as protection shield for this life. Somewhat - it coorelates with the 8th house importance given in Deve keralam as well (of course, can be expanded to other houses as well). We may like to say - about their intuition powers, but in fact - they are privy to some secret clues, which is passed on to them - in family.

Another astrologer - (very good in his prediction..though he rarely does) - suggested me to take transit from the inverse chart - say for leo lagna - read chart from kumbha (as transit positions are in sky - and from earth - it is to be taken like mirror image). His predictive success are excellent. I have not explored it as yet, but he refused to reveal the source of such reference (he himself being panchangkarta - and must have some serious wok done in this).

BTW, all these astrologers (referred above) are not commercial ones, and do not have any major interest in writing books / reading for name/fame etc..