Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Jai Maa... Pranaams to the Divine Mother in the form of Shree Maa and the Divine Father in the form of Swamiji and their Divine Children in the form of all the devotees. I remember reading in one of Swamiji's books, comparison to chocolate ice cream, there was a whole chapter related to this, can anyone help out, and elaborate about what he was saying in that chapter, I think it was in the Sahib Sadhu (I gave my copy away). Thanks Kalianandaji, I did find the reference to confusion in chapter 5 as you suggested, would you know why She would be referred to as Confusion ? Jai Maa, Jai Thakur... Radhe Radhe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Hi Tulsiram, I vaguely recall the chocolate ice cream metaphor, but I can't for the life of me remember where to look....sorry. Jai Maa! Chris , "tulsiram79" <tulsiram79 wrote: > > Jai Maa... Pranaams to the Divine Mother in the form of Shree Maa and > the Divine Father in the form of Swamiji and their Divine Children in > the form of all the devotees. > > I remember reading in one of Swamiji's books, comparison to chocolate > ice cream, there was a whole chapter related to this, can anyone help > out, and elaborate about what he was saying in that chapter, I think > it was in the Sahib Sadhu (I gave my copy away). > > Thanks Kalianandaji, I did find the reference to confusion in chapter > 5 as you suggested, would you know why She would be referred to as > Confusion ? > > Jai Maa, Jai Thakur... Radhe Radhe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Namaste "Enlightenment and Chocolate Ice Cream", Chapter 9 of The book: "Before Becoming This" Steven Newmark "The fastest way to enlightenment is to fall in love to the exclusion of delusion. To fall in love right now, with such force and conviction that you surrender all duality and all attachements to your beloved. Make that love the supreme love of all your loves." What do you fall in love with? It could be anything you want. It could be chocolate ice cream, or your spouse, or your Guru. If your love of chocolate ice cream was great enough, it could take you to a place where all thoughts stop and all you can remember is your beloved chocolate ice cream. Then you can expand a smaller love to a greater love. However, you may soon realize you want to fall in love with something that does not melt. Divinity resides in every object of creation. Therefore we can choose any object and say this is the divine. As we practice being the lover instead of sitting on a fence and waiting to be loved, we realize that we can project our love onto any object or being we choose. >From "Before Becoming This", from the Devi Mandir bookstore. Jai Maa Jai Swami love vishweshwar In , "tulsiram79" <tulsiram79 wrote: > > Jai Maa... Pranaams to the Divine Mother in the form of Shree Maa and > the Divine Father in the form of Swamiji and their Divine Children in > the form of all the devotees. > > I remember reading in one of Swamiji's books, comparison to chocolate > ice cream, there was a whole chapter related to this, can anyone help > out, and elaborate about what he was saying in that chapter, I think > it was in the Sahib Sadhu (I gave my copy away). > > Thanks Kalianandaji, I did find the reference to confusion in chapter > 5 as you suggested, would you know why She would be referred to as > Confusion ? > > Jai Maa, Jai Thakur... Radhe Radhe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 , "inspectionconnection108" <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > Namaste > > "Enlightenment and Chocolate Ice Cream", Chapter 9 of The book: > "Before Becoming This" Steven Newmark > > "The fastest way to enlightenment is to fall in love to the exclusion > of delusion. To fall in love right now, with such force and > conviction that you surrender all duality and all attachements to your > beloved. Make that love the supreme love of all your loves." This quote reminds me of another of my favorite meditations. The verse I'm thinking of is the first verse of the sapta sloki durga... jnaninamapi cetamsi devi bhagavati hi sa baladakrsya mohaya mahamaya prayachati She, this Supreme Goddess, the Great Meausurement of Consciousness, attracts the perceiving capacity of all sensible beings with such force as to thrust them into the ignorance of egotistic attachment. For some reason my mind is very challenged when it comes to this idea. I can understand falling so deeply in love that we lose all sense of separation and duality, but this verse also helps me to remember that this loving also causes us to be attached to our Beloved. Somehow my mind has created a dilemma here. How do I love to the depths of the realization of Oneness and at the same time not find myself thrust into egotistic attachment? Attachment, being a manifestation of duality, seems to be a prime componant of love, so do we find a new way to love? A way where we become Love rather than experiencing love? Maybe this is what is meant by becoming our beloved. Then we can cease loving and instead BE Love. If any of you could share your insights on this I know it would be of great help to my understanding. OM Shanti Morningsong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Hi Morningsong, I think the difference here (like just about everything, I guess) lies in ignorance vs. knowledge. The whirlpool of samsara, caused by this great attachment to the objects of nature can be the source of misery or enlightenment. I think what the verse is saying, by showing its opposite, is that when we realize that "love" of Durga is behind all this desire we can begin to learn how to get our love directly from the source, rather than from the objects She is "hidden" in. When we can see, not the objects, but Durga herself, in nature, there is no more false attachment. It is not, in my view, as much about attachment in general, as it is about false attachment to natural appearance. True "attachment" to the divine, is, by its very nature, the opposite of egoism. Jai Maa! Chris , "c_morningsong" <shaktimaa wrote: > > , "inspectionconnection108" > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > "Enlightenment and Chocolate Ice Cream", Chapter 9 of The book: > > "Before Becoming This" Steven Newmark > > > > "The fastest way to enlightenment is to fall in love to the exclusion > > of delusion. To fall in love right now, with such force and > > conviction that you surrender all duality and all attachements to your > > beloved. Make that love the supreme love of all your loves." > > > This quote reminds me of another of my favorite meditations. The verse > I'm thinking of is the first verse of the sapta sloki durga... > > jnaninamapi cetamsi devi bhagavati hi sa baladakrsya mohaya mahamaya > prayachati > She, this Supreme Goddess, the Great Meausurement of Consciousness, > attracts the perceiving capacity of all sensible beings with such force > as to thrust them into the ignorance of egotistic attachment. > > For some reason my mind is very challenged when it comes to this idea. > I can understand falling so deeply in love that we lose all sense of > separation and duality, but this verse also helps me to remember that > this loving also causes us to be attached to our Beloved. Somehow my > mind has created a dilemma here. How do I love to the depths of the > realization of Oneness and at the same time not find myself thrust into > egotistic attachment? > > Attachment, being a manifestation of duality, seems to be a prime > componant of love, so do we find a new way to love? A way where we > become Love rather than experiencing love? Maybe this is what is meant > by becoming our beloved. Then we can cease loving and instead BE Love. > > If any of you could share your insights on this I know it would be of > great help to my understanding. > > OM Shanti > Morningsong > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Namaste Morningsong I read your comments. Interesting you should quote the "Atha Sapta Sloki Durga". Maa indicated it is a very powerful sloka which should be repeated daily, and taken to heart. I ahve been reading it daily for a long time. I love it. To me it is the Heart of the Chandi, encapsulating the entire Chandi. I also think of Maa whenever I read it. It is She the sloka is describing. Based on you question, I went back to the Kasyapa Sutras we have been discussing on our on-line live chat every Saturday and again Sunday, to find the answer to your question. I just happened to open the book to the comments about chocolate. What are the chances of that happening randomly. It was Maa's inspiration. So,I just copied what She said from the scripture. In the Kasyapa Sutras, Sutra #6, ..."it says that the highest attainment of existance, the most excellant accomplishment, the highest wealth, is illumination, intuitive experience, self realization - moving beyond both the material and conceptual worlds. When we make our mind sit still, consciousness becomes absorbed in one prakasa. The vacillations of the mind, the movements of thought, create the vibration which says: "AHAM. I am." When the mind sits still, in perfect stillness, then the aham, the sense of ego, I, that considers itself different from the object of perception, is reduced. It diminishes until it dissolves. When it dissolves there is prakasa. There is illumination. There is the state of meditation. When I become really sincere in my enjoyment of experience, there ceases to be a separation between the observer and the observed. I am the chocolate ice cream. When I become the chocolate ice cream, everybody will love me, and I will love everybody. The observer and the obseved cease to be distinguished as individuals. This is the function of yoga. When we lose the distinction between the observer and the observed, there is prakasa, because there is no aham. That perfection of absorption is illumination, the perfection of union. The most excellent attainment of life is that absorption. It is the exclusion of I. There are various forms of illumination. They are not all the same. It does not matter upon which object you are meditating, but the intensity of absorption is fundamental. That is what defines prakasa. For example, I love your dress. I love this book. I love my family and I love God. I don't like your dress as much as I like you. It is a nice dress but I like you whether you wear that dress or another dress. Just as the intensities of love differ, so do the intensities of illumination differ. The intensity of absorption cannot be defined. It is not a quantity, but there is a quality of our attention, a quality of our absorption. Our awareness becomes so vast that it excludes the concept that "I am different". We forget all about the observer in the illumination of the observed. We ourselves become illuminated. We become full of the object of our awareness. The intensity brings fullness" "Citta vrtti nirodha iti yogah = the cessation of modification or change, the prohibition of any activity in the objects of awareness is yoga. We can come to that state of perfect stillness, perfect silence, the absence of change or modification in any object of consciousness. When the world stood still, so did "I", and when "I" will be still, so will the world for me. Perfect stillness." Jai Maa Jai Swami love vishweshwar In , "c_morningsong" <shaktimaa wrote: > > , "inspectionconnection108" > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > "Enlightenment and Chocolate Ice Cream", Chapter 9 of The book: > > "Before Becoming This" Steven Newmark > > > > "The fastest way to enlightenment is to fall in love to the exclusion > > of delusion. To fall in love right now, with such force and > > conviction that you surrender all duality and all attachements to your > > beloved. Make that love the supreme love of all your loves." > > > This quote reminds me of another of my favorite meditations. The verse > I'm thinking of is the first verse of the sapta sloki durga... > > jnaninamapi cetamsi devi bhagavati hi sa baladakrsya mohaya mahamaya > prayachati > She, this Supreme Goddess, the Great Meausurement of Consciousness, > attracts the perceiving capacity of all sensible beings with such force > as to thrust them into the ignorance of egotistic attachment. > > For some reason my mind is very challenged when it comes to this idea. > I can understand falling so deeply in love that we lose all sense of > separation and duality, but this verse also helps me to remember that > this loving also causes us to be attached to our Beloved. Somehow my > mind has created a dilemma here. How do I love to the depths of the > realization of Oneness and at the same time not find myself thrust into > egotistic attachment? > > Attachment, being a manifestation of duality, seems to be a prime > componant of love, so do we find a new way to love? A way where we > become Love rather than experiencing love? Maybe this is what is meant > by becoming our beloved. Then we can cease loving and instead BE Love. > > If any of you could share your insights on this I know it would be of > great help to my understanding. > > OM Shanti > Morningsong > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Namaste Morningsong, (Long time no see....miss you!) Swamiji says that it is ok to keep one desire, the desire for Divine Mother. When we get to the point where we have pure devotion, ie, She is all we desire, then we must give that up, too. Who knows if it will be difficult or easy, but what a fabulous place to be! Jaaaaaaaaaaaai Maa , "c_morningsong" <shaktimaa wrote: > > , "inspectionconnection108" > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > "Enlightenment and Chocolate Ice Cream", Chapter 9 of The book: > > "Before Becoming This" Steven Newmark > > > > "The fastest way to enlightenment is to fall in love to the exclusion > > of delusion. To fall in love right now, with such force and > > conviction that you surrender all duality and all attachements to your > > beloved. Make that love the supreme love of all your loves." > > > This quote reminds me of another of my favorite meditations. The verse > I'm thinking of is the first verse of the sapta sloki durga... > > jnaninamapi cetamsi devi bhagavati hi sa baladakrsya mohaya mahamaya > prayachati > She, this Supreme Goddess, the Great Meausurement of Consciousness, > attracts the perceiving capacity of all sensible beings with such force > as to thrust them into the ignorance of egotistic attachment. > > For some reason my mind is very challenged when it comes to this idea. > I can understand falling so deeply in love that we lose all sense of > separation and duality, but this verse also helps me to remember that > this loving also causes us to be attached to our Beloved. Somehow my > mind has created a dilemma here. How do I love to the depths of the > realization of Oneness and at the same time not find myself thrust into > egotistic attachment? > > Attachment, being a manifestation of duality, seems to be a prime > componant of love, so do we find a new way to love? A way where we > become Love rather than experiencing love? Maybe this is what is meant > by becoming our beloved. Then we can cease loving and instead BE Love. > > If any of you could share your insights on this I know it would be of > great help to my understanding. > > OM Shanti > Morningsong > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Chris wrote: "when we realize that "love" of Durga is behind all this desire we can begin to learn how to get our love directly from the source, rather than from the objects She is "hidden" in" Namaste' Chris Thank you for your response. This is a great reminder to me that She is everywhere; easily accessible whenever I can get my little ego self out of the way. OM Shanti Morningsong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Namaste' Vish I also love the atha sapta sloki durga and have been reading it daily this year as part of my sadhana... which is why I've been thinking about it and finding ways to connect it to my life in general. I really appreciate your reminding me about sutra 6. When I read it for the online class I don't think I made the connection between the two so thank you for pointing it out to me. "The intensity of absorption cannot be defined. It is not a quantity, but there is a quality of our attention, a quality of our absorption. Our awareness becomes so vast that it excludes the concept that "I am different". We forget all about the observer in the illumination of the observed. We ourselves become illuminated. We become full of the object of our awareness. The intensity brings fullness" Perhaps the verse in SSD is just showing us the beginning of our devotion. When we begin to recognize Her, but before we realize that She is everywhere and is manifest as all that is, and is our first step in the absorption spoken of in sutra 6. OM Shanti Mornignsong , "inspectionconnection108" <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > Namaste Morningsong > > I read your comments. Interesting you should quote the "Atha Sapta > Sloki Durga". Maa indicated it is a very powerful sloka which should > be repeated daily, and taken to heart. I ahve been reading it daily > for a long time. I love it. To me it is the Heart of the Chandi, > encapsulating the entire Chandi. I also think of Maa whenever I read > it. It is She the sloka is describing. > > Based on you question, I went back to the Kasyapa Sutras we have been > discussing on our on-line live chat every Saturday and again Sunday, > to find the answer to your question. I just happened to open the book > to the comments about chocolate. What are the chances of that > happening randomly. > > It was Maa's inspiration. So,I just copied what She said from the > scripture. > > In the Kasyapa Sutras, Sutra #6, ..."it says that the highest > attainment of existance, the most excellant accomplishment, the > highest wealth, is illumination, intuitive experience, self > realization - moving beyond both the material and conceptual worlds. > When we make our mind sit still, consciousness becomes absorbed in one > prakasa. The vacillations of the mind, the movements of thought, > create the vibration which says: "AHAM. I am." When the mind sits > still, in perfect stillness, then the aham, the sense of ego, I, that > considers itself different from the object of perception, is reduced. > It diminishes until it dissolves. When it dissolves there is > prakasa. There is illumination. There is the state of meditation. > > When I become really sincere in my enjoyment of experience, there > ceases to be a separation between the observer and the observed. I am > the chocolate ice cream. When I become the chocolate ice cream, > everybody will love me, and I will love everybody. The observer and > the obseved cease to be distinguished as individuals. This is the > function of yoga. When we lose the distinction between the observer > and the observed, there is prakasa, because there is no aham. That > perfection of absorption is illumination, the perfection of union. > > The most excellent attainment of life is that absorption. It is the > exclusion of I. There are various forms of illumination. They are > not all the same. It does not matter upon which object you are > meditating, but the intensity of absorption is fundamental. That is > what defines prakasa. For example, I love your dress. I love this > book. I love my family and I love God. I don't like your dress as > much as I like you. It is a nice dress but I like you whether you > wear that dress or another dress. Just as the intensities of love > differ, so do the intensities of illumination differ. The intensity > of absorption cannot be defined. It is not a quantity, but there is a > quality of our attention, a quality of our absorption. Our awareness > becomes so vast that it excludes the concept that "I am different". > We forget all about the observer in the illumination of the observed. > We ourselves become illuminated. We become full of the object of our > awareness. The intensity brings fullness" > > "Citta vrtti nirodha iti yogah = the cessation of modification or > change, the prohibition of any activity in the objects of awareness is > yoga. We can come to that state of perfect stillness, perfect > silence, the absence of change or modification in any object of > consciousness. When the world stood still, so did "I", and when "I" > will be still, so will the world for me. Perfect stillness." > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > love > > vishweshwar > > > > In , "c_morningsong" <shaktimaa@> wrote: > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > "Enlightenment and Chocolate Ice Cream", Chapter 9 of The book: > > > "Before Becoming This" Steven Newmark > > > > > > "The fastest way to enlightenment is to fall in love to the exclusion > > > of delusion. To fall in love right now, with such force and > > > conviction that you surrender all duality and all attachements to your > > > beloved. Make that love the supreme love of all your loves." > > > > > > This quote reminds me of another of my favorite meditations. The verse > > I'm thinking of is the first verse of the sapta sloki durga... > > > > jnaninamapi cetamsi devi bhagavati hi sa baladakrsya mohaya mahamaya > > prayachati > > She, this Supreme Goddess, the Great Meausurement of Consciousness, > > attracts the perceiving capacity of all sensible beings with such force > > as to thrust them into the ignorance of egotistic attachment. > > > > For some reason my mind is very challenged when it comes to this idea. > > I can understand falling so deeply in love that we lose all sense of > > separation and duality, but this verse also helps me to remember that > > this loving also causes us to be attached to our Beloved. Somehow my > > mind has created a dilemma here. How do I love to the depths of the > > realization of Oneness and at the same time not find myself thrust into > > egotistic attachment? > > > > Attachment, being a manifestation of duality, seems to be a prime > > componant of love, so do we find a new way to love? A way where we > > become Love rather than experiencing love? Maybe this is what is meant > > by becoming our beloved. Then we can cease loving and instead BE Love. > > > > If any of you could share your insights on this I know it would be of > > great help to my understanding. > > > > OM Shanti > > Morningsong > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Namaste' Gauri... I miss you too. Luckily for me I can just click webcams and I'm right there in the temple happily chanting along with you all, and I plan to come for the retreat. I'm certain that it will be as many lifetimes as there are leaves on a tree before I am at the point where there is only the desire for Her left to give up... so I'll just focus on letting go of all the other desires for now! ;-) Love to you... JAI MAA OM Shanti Morningsong , "gauri_108" <gauri_108 wrote: > > Namaste Morningsong, > > (Long time no see....miss you!) > > Swamiji says that it is ok to keep one desire, the desire for Divine > Mother. When we get to the point where we have pure devotion, ie, She > is all we desire, then we must give that up, too. Who knows if it > will be difficult or easy, but what a fabulous place to be! > > Jaaaaaaaaaaaai Maa > > , "c_morningsong" <shaktimaa@> wrote: > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > "Enlightenment and Chocolate Ice Cream", Chapter 9 of The book: > > > "Before Becoming This" Steven Newmark > > > > > > "The fastest way to enlightenment is to fall in love to the exclusion > > > of delusion. To fall in love right now, with such force and > > > conviction that you surrender all duality and all attachements to your > > > beloved. Make that love the supreme love of all your loves." > > > > > > This quote reminds me of another of my favorite meditations. The verse > > I'm thinking of is the first verse of the sapta sloki durga... > > > > jnaninamapi cetamsi devi bhagavati hi sa baladakrsya mohaya mahamaya > > prayachati > > She, this Supreme Goddess, the Great Meausurement of Consciousness, > > attracts the perceiving capacity of all sensible beings with such force > > as to thrust them into the ignorance of egotistic attachment. > > > > For some reason my mind is very challenged when it comes to this idea. > > I can understand falling so deeply in love that we lose all sense of > > separation and duality, but this verse also helps me to remember that > > this loving also causes us to be attached to our Beloved. Somehow my > > mind has created a dilemma here. How do I love to the depths of the > > realization of Oneness and at the same time not find myself thrust into > > egotistic attachment? > > > > Attachment, being a manifestation of duality, seems to be a prime > > componant of love, so do we find a new way to love? A way where we > > become Love rather than experiencing love? Maybe this is what is meant > > by becoming our beloved. Then we can cease loving and instead BE Love. > > > > If any of you could share your insights on this I know it would be of > > great help to my understanding. > > > > OM Shanti > > Morningsong > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Sorry to interupt but if you have time can you tell me where the atha sapta sloki durga is: I'm assuming it's in the Durga Puja? Debi c_morningsong <shaktimaa (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste' Vish I also love the atha sapta sloki durga and have been reading it daily this year as part of my sadhana... which is why I've been thinking about it and finding ways to connect it to my life in general. I really appreciate your reminding me about sutra 6. When I read it for the online class I don't think I made the connection between the two so thank you for pointing it out to me. "The intensity of absorption cannot be defined. It is not a quantity, but there is a quality of our attention, a quality of our absorption. Our awareness becomes so vast that it excludes the concept that "I am different". We forget all about the observer in the illumination of the observed. We ourselves become illuminated. We become full of the object of our awareness. The intensity brings fullness" Perhaps the verse in SSD is just showing us the beginning of our devotion. When we begin to recognize Her, but before we realize that She is everywhere and is manifest as all that is, and is our first step in the absorption spoken of in sutra 6. OM Shanti Mornignsong , "inspectionconnection108" <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > Namaste Morningsong > > I read your comments. Interesting you should quote the "Atha Sapta > Sloki Durga". Maa indicated it is a very powerful sloka which should > be repeated daily, and taken to heart. I ahve been reading it daily > for a long time. I love it. To me it is the Heart of the Chandi, > encapsulating the entire Chandi. I also think of Maa whenever I read > it. It is She the sloka is describing. > > Based on you question, I went back to the Kasyapa Sutras we have been > discussing on our on-line live chat every Saturday and again Sunday, > to find the answer to your question. I just happened to open the book > to the comments about chocolate. What are the chances of that > happening randomly. > > It was Maa's inspiration. So,I just copied what She said from the > scripture. > > In the Kasyapa Sutras, Sutra #6, ..."it says that the highest > attainment of existance, the most excellant accomplishment, the > highest wealth, is illumination, intuitive experience, self > realization - moving beyond both the material and conceptual worlds. > When we make our mind sit still, consciousness becomes absorbed in one > prakasa. The vacillations of the mind, the movements of thought, > create the vibration which says: "AHAM. I am." When the mind sits > still, in perfect stillness, then the aham, the sense of ego, I, that > considers itself different from the object of perception, is reduced. > It diminishes until it dissolves. When it dissolves there is > prakasa. There is illumination. There is the state of meditation. > > When I become really sincere in my enjoyment of experience, there > ceases to be a separation between the observer and the observed. I am > the chocolate ice cream. When I become the chocolate ice cream, > everybody will love me, and I will love everybody. The observer and > the obseved cease to be distinguished as individuals. This is the > function of yoga. When we lose the distinction between the observer > and the observed, there is prakasa, because there is no aham. That > perfection of absorption is illumination, the perfection of union. > > The most excellent attainment of life is that absorption. It is the > exclusion of I. There are various forms of illumination. They are > not all the same. It does not matter upon which object you are > meditating, but the intensity of absorption is fundamental. That is > what defines prakasa. For example, I love your dress. I love this > book. I love my family and I love God. I don't like your dress as > much as I like you. It is a nice dress but I like you whether you > wear that dress or another dress. Just as the intensities of love > differ, so do the intensities of illumination differ. The intensity > of absorption cannot be defined. It is not a quantity, but there is a > quality of our attention, a quality of our absorption. Our awareness > becomes so vast that it excludes the concept that "I am different". > We forget all about the observer in the illumination of the observed. > We ourselves become illuminated. We become full of the object of our > awareness. The intensity brings fullness" > > "Citta vrtti nirodha iti yogah = the cessation of modification or > change, the prohibition of any activity in the objects of awareness is > yoga. We can come to that state of perfect stillness, perfect > silence, the absence of change or modification in any object of > consciousness. When the world stood still, so did "I", and when "I" > will be still, so will the world for me. Perfect stillness." > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > love > > vishweshwar > > > > In , "c_morningsong" <shaktimaa@> wrote: > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > "Enlightenment and Chocolate Ice Cream", Chapter 9 of The book: > > > "Before Becoming This" Steven Newmark > > > > > > "The fastest way to enlightenment is to fall in love to the exclusion > > > of delusion. To fall in love right now, with such force and > > > conviction that you surrender all duality and all attachements to your > > > beloved. Make that love the supreme love of all your loves." > > > > > > This quote reminds me of another of my favorite meditations. The verse > > I'm thinking of is the first verse of the sapta sloki durga... > > > > jnaninamapi cetamsi devi bhagavati hi sa baladakrsya mohaya mahamaya > > prayachati > > She, this Supreme Goddess, the Great Meausurement of Consciousness, > > attracts the perceiving capacity of all sensible beings with such force > > as to thrust them into the ignorance of egotistic attachment. > > > > For some reason my mind is very challenged when it comes to this idea. > > I can understand falling so deeply in love that we lose all sense of > > separation and duality, but this verse also helps me to remember that > > this loving also causes us to be attached to our Beloved. Somehow my > > mind has created a dilemma here. How do I love to the depths of the > > realization of Oneness and at the same time not find myself thrust into > > egotistic attachment? > > > > Attachment, being a manifestation of duality, seems to be a prime > > componant of love, so do we find a new way to love? A way where we > > become Love rather than experiencing love? Maybe this is what is meant > > by becoming our beloved. Then we can cease loving and instead BE Love. > > > > If any of you could share your insights on this I know it would be of > > great help to my understanding. > > > > OM Shanti > > Morningsong > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 WOW! Thanks Chris. That's great! WOW! mmmmmmmmmm c_morningsong <shaktimaa (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Chris wrote: "when we realize that "love" of Durga is behind all this desire we can begin to learn how to get our love directly from the source, rather than from the objects She is "hidden" in" Namaste' Chris Thank you for your response. This is a great reminder to me that She is everywhere; easily accessible whenever I can get my little ego self out of the way. OM Shanti Morningsong Check out the all-new Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 , Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > > Sorry to interupt but if you have time can you tell me where the atha sapta sloki durga is: > I'm assuming it's in the Durga Puja? > Debi Namaste, The atha sapta sloki durga is on p 34 of the Chandi Path. Surath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Namaste Morningsong: We all seek that ultimate absorbtion from birth to birth. So it is taught in the Kasyapa Sutras. Birth, becoming manifest in a human form, is due to the deepest, most fundimental drive of all existance: to merge with our Maker. In the verses in Atha Sapta Sloki Durga, Shiva begins with a question to the Divine Mother Herself, the Source of All, the : "please tell me the means of success in perfecting all desires in this Age of Darkness." {the highest desire, merging with the Mother} So,the Divine Mother reveals Her Secret, who She is, What She represents, and what She is capable of. She explains the total range of Her Existance: as She who binds us to a relative existance of attachement, {She who causes our birth into this world}, to She who can terminate all disturbance in the 3 worlds, {She who can free us from all suffering}. What a Mother She is. So now that we know who She is and what She is capable of, and we know why we were born, let's learn how to please Her so we can obtain Her Grace. So She gives us the Chandi. A totally perfect scripture. The verses explain our dilimma, define the problem, as well as provide us with the practical technique to solve the problem and help us reach our goal. The reason for our very birth, as well as the birth of every moment, is to realize Her, to know Her so well, we Become One With Her. To love Her to the exclusion of our individuality. To love Her with so much intensity, that all we see is Her, all we think of is Her, thus, We become our Beloved. The Kasyapa Sutras were written to help us remember why we are here on this Earth. The Atha Sapta Sloki Durga tells us of Her Greatness, to remind us what to focus on, in order to reach the ultimate goal. Just think of the many ways and means She uses to get our attention in order to awaken our spirit. It is truly mind boggling. Jai Maa Jai Swami love vishweshwar to , "c_morningsong" <shaktimaa wrote: > > Namaste' Vish > > I also love the atha sapta sloki durga and have been reading it > daily this year as part of my sadhana... which is why I've been > thinking about it and finding ways to connect it to my life in > general. I really appreciate your reminding me about sutra 6. When > I read it for the online class I don't think I made the connection > between the two so thank you for pointing it out to me. > > "The intensity of absorption cannot be defined. It is not a > quantity, but there is a > quality of our attention, a quality of our absorption. Our awareness > becomes so vast that it excludes the concept that "I am different". > We forget all about the observer in the illumination of the observed. > We ourselves become illuminated. We become full of the object of our > awareness. The intensity brings fullness" > > Perhaps the verse in SSD is just showing us the beginning of our > devotion. When we begin to recognize Her, but before we realize > that She is everywhere and is manifest as all that is, and is our > first step in the absorption spoken of in sutra 6. > > OM Shanti > Mornignsong > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Morningsong > > > > I read your comments. Interesting you should quote the "Atha Sapta > > Sloki Durga". Maa indicated it is a very powerful sloka which > should > > be repeated daily, and taken to heart. I ahve been reading it > daily > > for a long time. I love it. To me it is the Heart of the Chandi, > > encapsulating the entire Chandi. I also think of Maa whenever I > read > > it. It is She the sloka is describing. > > > > Based on you question, I went back to the Kasyapa Sutras we have > been > > discussing on our on-line live chat every Saturday and again > Sunday, > > to find the answer to your question. I just happened to open the > book > > to the comments about chocolate. What are the chances of that > > happening randomly. > > > > It was Maa's inspiration. So,I just copied what She said from the > > scripture. > > > > In the Kasyapa Sutras, Sutra #6, ..."it says that the highest > > attainment of existance, the most excellant accomplishment, the > > highest wealth, is illumination, intuitive experience, self > > realization - moving beyond both the material and conceptual > worlds. > > When we make our mind sit still, consciousness becomes absorbed in > one > > prakasa. The vacillations of the mind, the movements of thought, > > create the vibration which says: "AHAM. I am." When the mind sits > > still, in perfect stillness, then the aham, the sense of ego, I, > that > > considers itself different from the object of perception, is > reduced. > > It diminishes until it dissolves. When it dissolves there is > > prakasa. There is illumination. There is the state of meditation. > > > > When I become really sincere in my enjoyment of experience, there > > ceases to be a separation between the observer and the observed. > I am > > the chocolate ice cream. When I become the chocolate ice cream, > > everybody will love me, and I will love everybody. The observer > and > > the obseved cease to be distinguished as individuals. This is the > > function of yoga. When we lose the distinction between the > observer > > and the observed, there is prakasa, because there is no aham. That > > perfection of absorption is illumination, the perfection of > union. > > > > The most excellent attainment of life is that absorption. It is > the > > exclusion of I. There are various forms of illumination. They are > > not all the same. It does not matter upon which object you are > > meditating, but the intensity of absorption is fundamental. That > is > > what defines prakasa. For example, I love your dress. I love this > > book. I love my family and I love God. I don't like your dress as > > much as I like you. It is a nice dress but I like you whether you > > wear that dress or another dress. Just as the intensities of love > > differ, so do the intensities of illumination differ. The > intensity > > of absorption cannot be defined. It is not a quantity, but there > is a > > quality of our attention, a quality of our absorption. Our > awareness > > becomes so vast that it excludes the concept that "I am > different". > > We forget all about the observer in the illumination of the > observed. > > We ourselves become illuminated. We become full of the object of > our > > awareness. The intensity brings fullness" > > > > "Citta vrtti nirodha iti yogah = the cessation of modification or > > change, the prohibition of any activity in the objects of > awareness is > > yoga. We can come to that state of perfect stillness, perfect > > silence, the absence of change or modification in any object of > > consciousness. When the world stood still, so did "I", and > when "I" > > will be still, so will the world for me. Perfect stillness." > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > love > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > In , "c_morningsong" <shaktimaa@> > wrote: > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > "Enlightenment and Chocolate Ice Cream", Chapter 9 of The book: > > > > "Before Becoming This" Steven Newmark > > > > > > > > "The fastest way to enlightenment is to fall in love to the > exclusion > > > > of delusion. To fall in love right now, with such force and > > > > conviction that you surrender all duality and all attachements > to your > > > > beloved. Make that love the supreme love of all your loves." > > > > > > > > > This quote reminds me of another of my favorite meditations. > The verse > > > I'm thinking of is the first verse of the sapta sloki durga... > > > > > > jnaninamapi cetamsi devi bhagavati hi sa baladakrsya mohaya > mahamaya > > > prayachati > > > She, this Supreme Goddess, the Great Meausurement of > Consciousness, > > > attracts the perceiving capacity of all sensible beings with > such force > > > as to thrust them into the ignorance of egotistic attachment. > > > > > > For some reason my mind is very challenged when it comes to this > idea. > > > I can understand falling so deeply in love that we lose all > sense of > > > separation and duality, but this verse also helps me to remember > that > > > this loving also causes us to be attached to our Beloved. > Somehow my > > > mind has created a dilemma here. How do I love to the depths of > the > > > realization of Oneness and at the same time not find myself > thrust into > > > egotistic attachment? > > > > > > Attachment, being a manifestation of duality, seems to be a > prime > > > componant of love, so do we find a new way to love? A way where > we > > > become Love rather than experiencing love? Maybe this is what > is meant > > > by becoming our beloved. Then we can cease loving and instead > BE Love. > > > > > > If any of you could share your insights on this I know it would > be of > > > great help to my understanding. > > > > > > OM Shanti > > > Morningsong > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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