Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hai eveyone, Iam vijay kumar from india. A staunch believer in the teachings of of Bhagawan Shri.ramana and also Swami ramdas(anandashram,Kerala) and also Kanchi Paramacharyaa,Sri.Chandraseskaraendra saraswati.Right now,interested in Self enquiry and Nama jap.Enjoying all the groups posts and would like to see more. vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Dear Tony - re Who am I isn't a concentration system it is a feeling underlaying everything - at the moment it feels like a concentration system - do i just continue and it shifts into the feeling you talked about?? matt "Tony OClery" <aoclery > To: Subject: Re: New Member Introduction Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:50:07 -0000 >Namaste, > >Who am I isn't a concentration system, it is a feeling underlaying >everything. > >Love is not an emotion or a sentiment....Deepak Chopra....ONS..Tony. > > > >Dear Friends: Please keep in mind that taking someone's creative and intellectual works (poetry, art, articles, essays, posts, etc.) without permission of the authors is a violation of copyright laws. This especially applies to this list, , as it is a private list which can be viewed by members only. > >Most individuals do allow their artistic and creative work to be posted elsewhere if you request it and use their work in a not-for-profit format for benefit of others. So that is not usually a problem. > >However, if you are taking content from this list with a profit motive (such as promotion of your site in order to sell products, ads, etc.), it is critical that you seek the explicit and written permission from the authors whose works you are using. > >Acting in any other way is dishonest. Thank you. >_________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Namaste Matt, If you read Ramana, you will find he says more or less what I am saying. That it is a constant thing not just a meditation tool. The search is for the 'I' which one will find doesn't exist. If you are at the reading stage then do more reading of Ramana particularly. I am not a realised person so I have no right or authority on this matter.My experience--- I describe as a feeling underneath everything. That is the big 'I', which also is an illusion ultimately.....Regards Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Dear Matt and All, This is only as I understand it, and is thus subject to correction.... Terms like 'Pure Consciousness' or 'Real Consciousness' (Chit) are just other names for the Self (Atman), which is also referred to as Existence (Sat). Another name for it is "Heart". And all of these are just names for our true nature. Self-Inquiry is the path of inquiring into that true nature, the essence of our own existence, as it wells up in our immediate experience as the ever present sense 'I am.' In the first benedictory verse to Ramana Maharshi's "Forty Verses on Reality", he states: i. Can there be a sense of existence without something that is? Is Real Consciousness a thing other than That? Since that (Reality) dwells thought free in the Heart, how can It - Itself named Heart - be meditated on? And who is there, distinct from It, to meditate on It - the Self whose nature is Reality Consciousness? Know that to meditate on It is just to be at one with It within the Heart. (Lakshmana Sarma's translation from the Sanskrit.) The above is no different to the phrase, "Thou art That." Sri Ramana points out that "I am" (Aham) is the eternal subject, awareness itself, and that "everyone knows 'I am.'" (Talk 54). Hence it can never really be an *object* of meditation. This isn't so much awareness *of* 'being' (which implies a subject and object) as awareness that *is* being. However, we lose sight of the real nature of that very thing which is closest to us through the confusion that arises as a result of identification with the body-mind. Through identification, the Aham (I am) becomes confounded with Idam (this) in the form "I am this..." "I am this.." is another name for the ego, the aham-vritti, sometimes referred to as the "I-thought". "... this 'I-thought' is not pure. It is contaminated with the association of the body and senses. See to whom the trouble is. It is to the 'I-thought'. Hold it. Then the other thoughts vanish. (Talk 266) Sri Ramana tells us, as does Sri Adi Sankara in his Advaita commentaries, that the Self, Atman, Brahman, is not something to be gained afresh. It is what we already are. "The fact is that mukti [ liberation ] is another name for Aham ('I')." (Talk 256) "Aham ('I') is known to everyone. Brahman abides as Aham in everyone. Find out the 'I'. The 'I' is already Brahman. You need not think so.* Simply find out the 'I'. (Talk 266) [* in other words, you need not think "I am Brahman" which is just a thought, rather inquire into the nature of the 'I' who has the thought. ] "...For 'I' always abides as Brahman." (Talk 202) "... The existence of Brahman is well known from the fact of Its being the Self of all; For everyone feels that his Self exists, and he never feels, "I do not exist"... And that Self is Brahman." (Sankara Brahma Sutra Bhasya 1.i.1) These Sages teach us that we only need remove ignorance (the 'I am the body' idea) and the Self will shine of its own right. Sri Ramana explains that the starting point in the path of self-inquiry requires us to explore 'to whom do these sensations, feelings and thoughts arise?'. The answer must surely be "to me". From thence inquire "Who am I?" or "Whence am I?" Sri Ramana reminds us the question needs to be held but no answer should be given at this stage as all answers come from the ego. Also, we are to bear in mind, that that which is the source of the ego cannot possibly be an object of perception or thought - which is the essence of the benedictory verse at the beginning. Regards, Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 --- nlg108108 <nlg_108 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: > > Namaste, > > > > My name is Neil, and I recently joined this list to > help me along in my > search for a spiritual path, > ...... .......... > > I am thrilled that you have chosen this new year to > emphasize teachings > for beginners. This is indeed auspicious and > confirms for me that I am > on the right path. > > > Neil Neil - PraNaams. It is heart warming to read your introduction. It confirms my understanding that as one matures one is lead to appropriate path. Welcome to the list. Your contributions and perspectives will be added blessings to all of us. Dennis Waite has introduced several new series of posts from senior members catering to those who are fresh to advaita. May be this could all be collected into a book form. We are very glad that someone is reading these introductory posts. We were wondering how far these are useful and if there are really many beginners who would like these posts to continue. We would, of course, welcome yours as well as others in the list that are keenly following the introduction posts dealing with definitions as well as topics. Hari Om! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Sadananda-ji, Thank you very much for your warm welcome. Rest assured that the introductory posts are incredibly useful. I have indeed just completed reading through the first five entries in your amazing Introduction to Vedanta. Thank you for taking the time and energy to help us beginners along. To say they are extremely enlightening would be an understatement. I am finding that, for myself, when questions arise in my mind in reading these posts, they seem to be answered in later posts. Perhaps that is why you are not seeing more questions. I do have one or two, but first I want to read through them again and, if they are not answered clearly for me, I will pose them as replies to your posts, in an attempt to maintain some orderliness to this system. I do have one suggestion: would it be possible to upload to the files section those entries in the same manner as are the weekly definitions? I think it would be helpful if they were located in the same place, so that we novices can easily access them as we attempt to engage with the vast body of knowledge being conveyed. Namaste, Neil > Neil - PraNaams. > > It is heart warming to read your introduction. It > confirms my understanding that as one matures one is > lead to appropriate path. > > > We are very glad that someone is reading these > introductory posts. We were wondering how far these > are useful and if there are really many beginners who > would like these posts to continue. > > We would, of course, welcome yours as well as others > in the list that are keenly following the introduction > posts dealing with definitions as well as topics. > > Hari Om! > Sadananda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Dear Neil-ji, Glad you are finding the introductory topic useful - and thanks for letting us know! I am doing minor editing and checking the ITRANS representation of the Sanskrit as the topic unfolds. My intention was to upload the completed file when Sadananda-ji finishes the topic. I will upload the intermediate file now if it will be of help. Best wishes, Dennis advaitin [advaitin] On Behalf Of nlg108108 30 January 2007 01:06 advaitin Re: New Member Introduction Sadananda-ji, Thank you very much for your warm welcome. Rest assured that the introductory posts are incredibly useful. I have indeed just completed reading through the first five entries in your amazing Introduction to Vedanta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Shree Neil - PraNAms. Thanks for your kind words. I think Shree Dennis Waite has some plans in terms of uploading the files after he made some corrections. I am sure he would take note of your suggestions. Hari Om! Sadananda --- nlg108108 <nlg_108 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: > > I do have one suggestion: would it be possible to > upload to the files > section those entries in the same manner as are the > weekly definitions? > I think it would be helpful if they were located in > the same place, so > that we novices can easily access them as we attempt > to engage with the > vast body of knowledge being conveyed. > > Namaste, > > Neil > > > > Neil - PraNaams. > > > > It is heart warming to read your introduction. It > > confirms my understanding that as one matures one > is > > lead to appropriate path. > > > > > > > > We are very glad that someone is reading these > > introductory posts. We were wondering how far > these > > are useful and if there are really many beginners > who > > would like these posts to continue. > > > > We would, of course, welcome yours as well as > others > > in the list that are keenly following the > introduction > > posts dealing with definitions as well as topics. > > > > Hari Om! > > Sadananda > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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