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Dear Advaitins :

 

I had mentioned in my post on 'Yeats' that it is 'Thoughts that rule

the world .' Continuing this line of thinking , , may i tell you

that the Noble Prize winner for literature , T.S.ELIOT, AN AMERICAN

BORN POET AND PHOLOSOPHER of the 21st century was most influenced by

Srimad Bhagvat Gita and the Upanishads . So much so , Mr. ELIOT

TOOK four courses in Sanskrit and Pali and an advanced course

in "Philosophical Sanskrit" WHILE STUDYING AT HARVARD .

 

It is my pleasure to quote a beautiful passage from T.S.ELIOT'S 'Dry

Salvages ' wherein one can clearly feel the influence of Srimad

Bhagvat gita's 'Ksrma' THEORY on the poet's mind echoeing in these

powerful imagery !

 

"I sometimes wonder if that is what Krishna meant—

Among other things—or one way of putting the same thing:

That the future is a faded song, a Royal Rose or a lavender spray

Of wistful regret for those who are not yet here to regret,

Pressed between yellow leaves of a book that has never been opened.

And the way up is the way down, the way forward is the way back.

You cannot face it steadily, but this thing is sure,

That time is no healer: the patient is no longer here.

When the train starts, and the passengers are settled

To fruit, periodicals and business letters

(And those who saw them off have left the platform)

Their faces relax from grief into relief,

To the sleepy rhythm of a hundred hours.

Fare forward, travellers! not escaping from the past

Into different lives, or into any future;

You are not the same people who left that station

Or who will arrive at any terminus,

While the narrowing rails slide together behind you;

And on the deck of the drumming liner

Watching the furrow that widens behind you,

You shall not think 'the past is finished'

Or 'the future is before us'.

At nightfall, in the rigging and the aerial,

Is a voice descanting (though not to the ear,

The murmuring shell of time, and not in any language)

'Fare forward, you who think that you are voyaging;

You are not those who saw the harbour

Receding, or those who will disembark.

Here between the hither and the farther shore

While time is withdrawn, consider the future

And the past with an equal mind.

At the moment which is not of action or inaction

You can receive this: "on whatever sphere of being

The mind of a man may be intent

At the time of death"—that is the one action

(And the time of death is every moment)

Which shall fructify in the lives of others:

And do not think of the fruit of action.

Fare forward.

O voyagers, O seamen,

You who came to port, and you whose bodies

Will suffer the trial and judgement of the sea,

Or whatever event, this is your real destination.'

So Krishna, as when he admonished Arjuna

On the field of battle.

Not fare well,

But fare forward, voyagers."

 

Yes ! In life's spiritual journey , we 'fare' forward - that is

crossing the ocean of samsara ........ to the other shore ....

 

Once again, i request learned members ( Anandaji to

interpret these beautiful imagery of Vedantic mysticism.

 

My point is writing all this is there are many westerners like

Thoreau , Emerson, Eliot , Mark Twain, Carl Jung etc etc who have

been influenced by the philosophy of Bhagwat Gita and the

upansishads and their works reflect these great teachings .

 

We as Hindus can be proud that we have indeed bequeathed a lasting

legacy to the rest of the world in the form of great scriptures like

the Gita and Upanishads ! The Britz may have taken the 'kohinoor'

diamond but they could never ever steal our 'shrutis' and 'smritis

and 'puranas '!

 

SUBBUJI, THIS IS FOR YOU !IF wESTERNERS CAN LEARN SANSKRIT AND

MASTER IT , why can't we learn deva bhasha -sanskrit - may be one of

these days there will be a egroup in sanskrit !

 

 

enjoy !

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear dhyanasaraswati,

 

You are right, to some degree. The Four Quartets by T. S. Eliot is

undoubtedly one of the greatest poems ever written and was certainly

influenced considerably by shruti and smRRiti. I planned many years ago to

write a book 'interpreting' them in terms of Advaita. Unfortunately,

copyright on them is extremely strict and will continue so until the

statutory 75 (?) years after his death. It might be possible to obtain

permission for a serious book such as this but the cost would be prohibitive

- far more than one could expect to earn in terms of royalties form sales.

(Incidentally, although it is possible to find the complete poems on the

Internet, I would not wish to quote more than a few lines - certainly not an

extract as long as the one you have quoted.)

 

On the paragraph below, however, I have to say that you are completely

missing the point of Advaita if you hold to such views. 'Pride' is not one

of the chatuShTaya sampatti, as I recall! And the prasthAna traya are

equally for all who are willing to listen. There are no 'Brits' or 'Hindus'

in reality!

 

<<We as Hindus can be proud that we have indeed bequeathed a lasting

legacy to the rest of the world in the form of great scriptures like

the Gita and Upanishads ! The Britz may have taken the 'kohinoor'

diamond but they could never ever steal our 'shrutis' and 'smritis

and 'puranas '!>>

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis

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Dennis-ji !

 

The whole point in quoting the entire excerpt was to get a better

understanding of that passage ! Who could do full justice to that

passage in terms of advaitic interpreation except learned members

like you ( ANANANDAJI , PETERJI , KEN KNIGHT-JI , MICHEL0JI ETC) who

are well versed both in the finer nuances of the English language

and the higher philosophy of Vedanta ?

 

on another note - i am sorry if my comments were misunderstood by

you ! Of course , a true Advaitin has no nationality - he is neither

British nor INDIAN - -rather he/she has no body concept -

gender ,race , color etc ! What i meant to convey was that as far as

i am concerned , 'the Kohinoor ' diamond has no value - at best , it

is only a Museam piece WHERAS the Hindu scriptures such as

Smrithis , shrutis , Puranas are of lasting value so much so that

even western poets ( such as Eliot) have benefitted by reading them

and incorporating this philosophy in their works ! Believe me , i

have no pride ; i may be vain - that is another story! :-)

 

i apologize

 

Dennis-ji writes

 

 

(On the paragraph below, however, I have to say that you are

completely

> missing the point of Advaita if you hold to such views. 'Pride' is

not one

> of the chatuShTaya sampatti, as I recall! And the prasthAna traya

are

> equally for all who are willing to listen. There are no 'Brits'

or 'Hindus'

> in reality!)

 

 

May i quote a subhashita ?

 

pustakasyA tu yA vidyA, parahastagataM dhanam

kAryakAe samutpaNe, na sA vidyA na taDhanam

 

Knowledge that is in note-books in (our) shelves, and

(our) money now in the hands of others, both are useless.

When time comes for their use neither that knowledge

nor that wealth will be available.

 

 

i love poetry but because English is my second language i cannot

sometimes comprehend some of these poems ! Hence , my honest appeal

to learned members like Anandaji to interpret these lines!

 

thanx

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advaitin, "dhyanasaraswati"

<dhyanasaraswati wrote:

>

> Dear Advaitins :

>

> I had mentioned in my post on 'Yeats' that it is 'Thoughts that

rule

> the world .' Continuing this line of thinking , , may i tell you

> that the Noble Prize winner for literature , T.S.ELIOT, AN AMERICAN

> BORN POET AND PHOLOSOPHER of the 21st century was most influenced

by

> Srimad Bhagvat Gita and the Upanishads .

 

Namaste,dh et al,

 

"If the doors of perception were cleansed, every thing would appear

to man as it is, infinite."(The Marriage of Heaven and Hell)..William

Blake.

 

No one country or culture can claim the poets, it would be like

claiming the universal subconscious for ones self.

 

Even a gem has a story. The kohinoor is now only half its original

size. It came from the south of India somewhere and had a violent

association, then the Mughals of Delhi stole it, and eventually it

was moved-(stolen), to the British. It was probably stolen from some

poor peasant, who had mined it originally, and then ended up by being

stolen by bigger thieves in succession, what poetic justice

 

Overt Nationalism is a Psychosis and Patriotism is its Cult...Tony.

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TCji :

 

What a tragic story of the Infamous Kohinoor Diamond you have

narrated !

 

anyway , it is said 'Uneasy lies the head that wears the Crown ' -

this is more so of a crown studded with a 'stolen' diamond ! smile !

 

please read this story on the net

 

http://internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=591

 

According to 'Gem' shastra , not every woman can wear 'diamonds '

even though Diamonds are a woman's best friend ! In india , they

always look for 'dosha' ( fault) in a diamond before recommending it

to a receipient !

 

i am touched by your concern for the poor and the downtrodden

specially the community of 'miners' ! Touche! Touche!

 

but at the sametime i was dismayed to read this

 

"Overt Nationalism is a Psychosis and Patriotism is its Cult\"

 

well, it was Johnson who said " Patriotism is the last refuge of the

scoundrel."

 

but it was the same Johnson who also said

 

 

"The Irish are not in a conspiracy to cheat the world by false

representations of the merits of their countrymen. No, Sir; the

Irish are a fair people; -- they never speak well of one another."

 

Boswell: Life of Johnson

 

i must say Tonyji , you are the fairest of the fair! You not only

have Anglophobia but you are now phobic about NATIONALISTS AND

PATRIOTS

 

MAY I QUOTE THESE LINES FROM THOMAS GRAY'S POEM ?

 

To each his suff'rings; all are men,

Condemn'd alike to groan,--

The tender for another's pain,

Th' unfeeling for his own.

Yet ah! why should they know their fate,

Since sorrow never comes too late,

And happiness too swiftly flies?

Thought would destroy their paradise.

No more; where ignorance is bliss,

'T is folly to be wise.

 

On a Distant Prospect of Eton College. Stanza 10.

 

with best weishes

 

DS

 

 

advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery wrote:

>

> Namaste,dh et al,

>

> "If the doors of perception were cleansed, every thing would

appear

> to man as it is, infinite."(The Marriage of Heaven and

Hell)..William

> Blake.

>

> No one country or culture can claim the poets, it would be like

> claiming the universal subconscious for ones self.

>

> Even a gem has a story. The kohinoor is now only half its original

> size. It came from the south of India somewhere and had a violent

> association, then the Mughals of Delhi stole it, and eventually it

> was moved-(stolen), to the British. It was probably stolen from

some

> poor peasant, who had mined it originally, and then ended up by

being

> stolen by bigger thieves in succession, what poetic justice

>

> Overt Nationalism is a Psychosis and Patriotism is its Cult...Tony.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin, "Tony OClery" <aoclery wrote:

>

> advaitin, "dhyanasaraswati"

> <dhyanasaraswati@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Advaitins :

> >

> > I had mentioned in my post on 'Yeats' that it is 'Thoughts that

> rule

> > the world .' Continuing this line of thinking , , may i tell you

> > that the Noble Prize winner for literature , T.S.ELIOT, AN

AMERICAN

> > BORN POET AND PHOLOSOPHER of the 21st century was most

influenced

> by

> > Srimad Bhagvat Gita and the Upanishads .

>

> Namaste,dh et al,

>

> "If the doors of perception were cleansed, every thing would

appear

> to man as it is, infinite."(The Marriage of Heaven and

Hell)..William

> Blake.

>

> No one country or culture can claim the poets, it would be like

> claiming the universal subconscious for ones self.

>

> Even a gem has a story. The kohinoor is now only half its original

> size. It came from the south of India somewhere and had a violent

> association, then the Mughals of Delhi stole it, and eventually it

> was moved-(stolen), to the British. It was probably stolen from

some

> poor peasant, who had mined it originally, and then ended up by

being

> stolen by bigger thieves in succession, what poetic justice

>

> Overt Nationalism is a Psychosis and Patriotism is its Cult...Tony.

>

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