Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 *Dear Friends, I have just posted a draft of my article titled, "Self, Shakti, Heart, and Enlightenment in Advaita" on my personal blog. Your comments on the substance of it and any suggestions on how to improve the general presentation will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Love to all Harsha * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Hi Harsha, I liked the article. In it you speak of Consciousness. What about that which is prior to Consciousness? Best wishes, Richard , Harsha wrote: > > *Dear Friends, > > I have just posted a draft of my article titled, "Self, Shakti, Heart, > and Enlightenment in Advaita" on my personal blog. > > > > Your comments on the substance of it and any suggestions on how to > improve the general presentation will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Love to all > Harsha > * > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Dear Richard, That's a good question and seems based on different uses of terminology. Nisargadatta, for example, uses the terms awareness and consciousness as meaning different things and what he says and how he explains it makes sense. Sri Ramana once said (after he had spent a night reviewing some of Sri Aurbindo's writing), that modern writers take the ancient notions of Advaita and put their own spin on it using different and new words. In the end, it means the same thing. If people want to speak of that which is prior to consciousness, I think it is impossible (using brother Jerry's (Katz) term. On the other hand, it can be done by dividing consciousness into that which is prior to it and giving the two parts different definitions. Bottom line is people should use words and do what makes sense to them. Even the Bee Gees realized it in ancient Australia when they sang, "Words are all I have to take your heart away." Will pass this on to NDS. Love to all Harsha Richard wrote: > Hi Harsha, > > I liked the article. In it you speak of Consciousness. What about > that which is prior to Consciousness? > > Best wishes, > Richard > > > , Harsha wrote: > >> *Dear Friends, >> >> I have just posted a draft of my article titled, "Self, Shakti, >> > Heart, > >> and Enlightenment in Advaita" on my personal blog. >> >> >> >> Your comments on the substance of it and any suggestions on how to >> improve the general presentation will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Love to all >> Harsha >> * >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 , Harsha wrote: > > Dear Richard, > advaitin, Ganesan Sankarraman <shnkaran wrote: > > > > Harsha wrote: > > This present ordinary awareness, that you experience, you should notice it and then hold on to it. It is subtle and yet so ordinary. That is why we miss it. No matter how ordinary a baby looks to others, to the mother it is special. She adores her baby and to her it is the most lovely and wonderful child in the world. That is the attitude one must have towards one's ordinary present awareness. > What the author says is a curious mixture of the teachings of Nisargdatta, Ramana and Krishnamurthy. What does he mean by the present awareness? Is it the sense of I am holding on to which itself is the first step towards the transition to Awareness according to Nisargdatta? Or is it the choiceless awareness of K? But in our awareness we are only of the other and not the awareness itself. How to break this junction of the seer and the seen, to use the phrase of sage Patanjali? Namaste G et al, It is my guess he is writing about the sakshin or the witness, and the witness is observing the 'feeling of awareness' before 'becoming' the awareness....Nisargadatta frequently used the word 'consciousness' to describe the waking state not the universal. All Consciousness is also an illusion for it is Saguna not Nirguna..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Dear Harsha just read your message - i confess that i do not have much in common with the "modern advaits". Like "i" AM i have stick - no other choice - to Sri Ramana Maharshi, where i found what this person was looking for. Regarding the use of words, in this person experience most people discuss themes without checking at all what they and others mean when using these worrds....and this must lead to endless senseless fruitless discussions, arguing and conflicts and even bitter personal wars. Being already nearly 67 years and having lived in different countries, mostly in central Europe i have to admit the following: even moving from vienna Austria to southern tuscany and afterwards to southern hungary - always just a matter about around max 1000km i see that we live in completely different worlds, if you dig deep enough you find that nearly everything in daily matters outlook and habits are different....and the more intellectual you are the more stupid you are, not realizing this facts. As deeper you live in the countryside, just 20miles aways from little towns with around 100 000 inhabitants its just terrible... the common denominator in all this "civilizations" ist just plain materialis, money money money profit CONSUMISM the ones who profit from this are the multinationals, the ruin the before intact "culture" and instead produce the cancer of consumism especially in the european union you see - if you live with open eyes - how only profit counts and how the value of human beings is not worth anything anymore even in banking institutes managers i know well admit openly that nowaday seriosity honesty is not valued anymore, what is valued is only Euro in your briefcase.... just wanted to share my impressions with you and the group thank you for your group, your efforts, your love...... in Sri Ramana michael bindel - Harsha Wednesday, December 20, 2006 1:18 PM Re: Re: Self, Shakti, Heart, and Enlightenment in Advaita Dear Richard, That's a good question and seems based on different uses of terminology. Nisargadatta, for example, uses the terms awareness and consciousness as meaning different things and what he says and how he explains it makes sense. Sri Ramana once said (after he had spent a night reviewing some of Sri Aurbindo's writing), that modern writers take the ancient notions of Advaita and put their own spin on it using different and new words. In the end, it means the same thing. If people want to speak of that which is prior to consciousness, I think it is impossible (using brother Jerry's (Katz) term. On the other hand, it can be done by dividing consciousness into that which is prior to it and giving the two parts different definitions. Bottom line is people should use words and do what makes sense to them. Even the Bee Gees realized it in ancient Australia when they sang, "Words are all I have to take your heart away." Will pass this on to NDS. Love to all Harsha Richard wrote: Hi Harsha, I liked the article. In it you speak of Consciousness. What about that which is prior to Consciousness? Best wishes, Richard , Harsha wrote: *Dear Friends, I have just posted a draft of my article titled, "Self, Shakti, Heart, and Enlightenment in Advaita" on my personal blog. Your comments on the substance of it and any suggestions on how to improve the general presentation will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Love to all Harsha * __________ Informazione NOD32 1930 (20061220) __________ Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 http://www.nod32.it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 Dearest Michael and All in this melodious satsang, under a Hungarian moon... The Unknown God (The Collective Unconscious) We will know the signs of a welcome home by the colours of love with which we are famously or euphemistically familiar, perhaps warming up to our own seasons of discontent, we will know the scents of heaven by the memories we have cherished, perhaps even relinquished, extinguished in the bliss and radiance of far-reaching dreams or dreams of dreams we will know the will to know as the omnipresent circumstance dancing in the palms of our own hands, the ones we have raised in both harm and defiance, or innocence, of carefree association or dissociation from the facts enacted, envisioned and ensconced or enshrined in the Images we have made of all things that pass away, as all things must. We are the initiators and imitators of Life, living darkly in delineations of choiceless choices, we are happenstance unified and rectified by the seat of our pants, dragged into the iniquity and inquiry of how time flies when there are neither blue skies nor sodden footprints to follow, to guide ourselves horseless chariots, still we fly. We are guileless and clueless, we are beyond approach or reproach and thus we have every chance in the book we are writing to become familiar with our own text or test to undersand what we have written between the lines, in the margins to the left of awareness, and in the spaces of the "right" choices. We are ubiquitous, we are unadulterated, fashionable and primarily totally self-concerned and lie like hell, until the bottom falls out and we step back about 12 paces, and reaffirm our non-entity status by first names, such as I Am.... Love, Anna love everyone...feed everyone...remember God. Ram Dass, Neem Karoli Baba and yours, truly;-) , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Harsha > > just read your message - i confess that i do not have much in common with the "modern advaits". > Like "i" AM i have stick - no other choice - to Sri Ramana Maharshi, where i found what this person was looking for. > > Regarding the use of words, in this person experience most people discuss themes without checking at all what they and others mean when using these worrds....and this must lead to endless senseless fruitless discussions, arguing and conflicts and even bitter personal wars. > > Being already nearly 67 years and having lived in different countries, mostly in central Europe i have to admit the following: > > even moving from vienna Austria to southern tuscany and afterwards to southern hungary - always just a matter about around max 1000km i see that we live in completely different worlds, if you dig deep enough you find that nearly everything in daily matters outlook and habits are different....and the more intellectual you are the more stupid you are, not realizing this facts. > As deeper you live in the countryside, just 20miles aways from little towns with around 100 000 inhabitants its just terrible... > > the common denominator in all this "civilizations" ist just plain materialis, money money money profit CONSUMISM > > the ones who profit from this are the multinationals, the ruin the before intact "culture" and instead produce the cancer of consumism > > especially in the european union you see - if you live with open eyes - how only profit counts and how the value of human beings is not worth anything anymore > > even in banking institutes managers i know well admit openly that nowaday seriosity honesty is not valued anymore, what is valued is only Euro in your briefcase.... > > just wanted to share my impressions with you and the group > > > thank you for your group, your efforts, your love...... > > > in Sri Ramana > > > michael bindel > - > Harsha > > Wednesday, December 20, 2006 1:18 PM > Re: Re: Self, Shakti, Heart, and Enlightenment in Advaita > > > Dear Richard, > > That's a good question and seems based on different uses of terminology. Nisargadatta, for example, uses the terms awareness and consciousness as meaning different things and what he says and how he explains it makes sense. > > Sri Ramana once said (after he had spent a night reviewing some of Sri Aurbindo's writing), that modern writers take the ancient notions of Advaita and put their own spin on it using different and new words. In the end, it means the same thing. > > If people want to speak of that which is prior to consciousness, I think it is impossible (using brother Jerry's (Katz) term. On the other hand, it can be done by dividing consciousness into that which is prior to it and giving the two parts different definitions. > > Bottom line is people should use words and do what makes sense to them. Even the Bee Gees realized it in ancient Australia when they sang, "Words are all I have to take your heart away." > > Will pass this on to NDS. > > Love to all > Harsha > > Richard wrote: > > Hi Harsha, > > I liked the article. In it you speak of Consciousness. What about > that which is prior to Consciousness? > > Best wishes, > Richard > > > , Harsha <harsha@> wrote: > *Dear Friends, > > I have just posted a draft of my article titled, "Self, Shakti, > Heart, > and Enlightenment in Advaita" on my personal blog. > > > > Your comments on the substance of it and any suggestions on how to > improve the general presentation will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Love to all > Harsha > * > > > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 1930 (20061220) __________ > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 > http://www.nod32.it > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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