Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 >Suddenly I began to think abt Ammachi, and personally I believe a >lot of people especially the lesbian flock to her because she is a >woman. Speaking personally, this alone is not enough. It did not attract me to Gurumayi or any number of others you could name. It is the Essence that she showers, and the example of her life. You may dislike that the lesbians are flocking, though it does not really explain why tens of millions of others are also flocking, straight, male, female and in between. You may understand better if you consider that the pandits, pujaris, acaryas have been men for millennia at least, that the vast majority of scriptures are written by men, as well as sadhus, gurus, munis etc. Many will say, no look, we have Meera, we have Jillalemuda Maa, and Lal Ded, Karaikkalammayar, but the fact remains that there is a huge disporportion in male to female leadership, indeed many would claim that females should be barred from and not perform these roles (temple priest, etc). Even where this is not banned outright, there has been a historical pattern where worthy females do not get the recognition or support. This is how the Buddhist nunneries died out in India many centuries ago. People did not feel it was meritorious to support them. There remain many structural and cultural barriers. So naturally there is a hunger for seeing the restoration of balance, so that the realized women and the female sages can take their place as well. The world will benefit from it. If all this was not the case, it would not matter to me or to any of the others. >So for Ammachi, what happen when the hugging stops? Would the >organisation able to sustain? As we all know its the hugging that >brings in the crowd esp the money. Well, if you think it's all about the money what can i tell you. I think that the Mata makes an incalculable offering, at personal sacrifice, 16-20 hour darshans, every day, every week, every year, sore shoulders, bruised arms from so many people clutching at her. For decades. What contributions come in from the wealthy -- and spirtually hungry --"West" goes to hospitals, orphanages, housing for the poor, widows... If you ask me Ammachi would much rather be sitting under the cocopalms by the sea, immersed in Kaivalya. But instead she does it like this, out of Karuna. Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives http://www.suppressedhistories.net Real Women, Global Vision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote: > > >Suddenly I began to think abt Ammachi, and personally I believe a > >lot of people especially the lesbian flock to her because she is a > >woman. > > Speaking personally, this alone is not enough. It did not attract me to Gurumayi or any number of others you could name. It is the Essence that she showers, and the example of her life. > > You may dislike that the lesbians are flocking, though it does not > really explain why tens of millions of others are also flocking, > straight, male, female and in between. > My apology Max for hurting your feelings. And I that is why I ask. I like to get the feedback from the group of people concern and not an assumption from another. I dont think so I say that I dislike the lesbian flocking Ammachi. I am just stating from my observation. Just a curious mind. Just this thought WHAT IF? Why not Gurumayi? becasue GuruMayi lineage begins from a Male too. So she is out? based on the arugement you just said. I communicate with another feminist too who think im being brainwash by the Male Guru too. So as long as there are male influence, its a NO! NO! >So for Ammachi, what happen when the hugging stops? Would the > >organisation able to sustain? As we all know its the hugging that > >brings in the crowd esp the money. > > Well, if you think it's all about the money what can i tell you. > > I think that the Mata makes an incalculable offering, at personal > sacrifice, 16-20 hour darshans, every day, every week, every year, > sore shoulders, bruised arms from so many people clutching at her. > For decades. What contributions come in from the wealthy -- and > spirtually hungry --"West" goes to hospitals, orphanages, housing for the poor, widows... > How interesting. I remember I had a serious discussion with another ammachi devotee too. And I talk abt this whole issue of Abuse. When Charitable Organisation abuses the generosity of the public. It is my believe that even if you cover it up with white garment and to make it look so pure and clean, greed is greed. Then immediately this young man began to list out all the good things that Ammachi have done. All the hugging and the contributions she have done. Well you see I am aware of all these. I ask again, is this what the whole thing is all about? You see I am not against Ammachi. Do you when was the first time I encounter here. I dont even know who she is nor have seen her at all. All I know is that, while walking along Serangoon Road [ popularly known as Little India], I saw this small temple, people flocking. I told my husband: lets go in and see what happen. I saw this lady in white sitting and people lining up to see her. I said "come on let get her blessing". "But who is she" my husband asked. I responded "dosent matter who she is. She must be a good person. Otherwise why would all these people flocking wanting to get her blessing. Its good to get the blessings from an unknown good soul" > If you ask me Ammachi would much rather be sitting under the > cocopalms by the sea, immersed in Kaivalya. But instead she does it like this, out of Karuna. Because she feel this moral obligation that she must do something about it. Like the various statement ive been saying : If you are so concern abt the happenings of things around you, then get your butt out there and do something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 >My apology Max for hurting your feelings. Not at all. I just tell you what i think, like you do. >Why not Gurumayi? >becasue GuruMayi lineage begins from a Male too. So she is out? No you are making an assumption here, which is mistaken. It had to do with her behavior. Her brother was at the time running a correspondence course, and messing up. Taking money and not giving what he promised to do. People wrote sincere letters to her asking her help. When I went to see her, she was reading the letters out loud to her devotees and making fun of the people. So i walked out. Later, i found out, she fought with the brother and denounced him (for other things). >So as long as there are male influence, its a NO! NO! Wrong again. I've learned from many. If I had the opportunity to meet Baba Amritanadaji, I would look forward to doing so. I have never been to India (yet!). Can't agree with you that charitable works must be abuse. You're entitled to think what you want, of course. I'm not out to prosyletize. I"m not that kind of girl. Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives http://www.suppressedhistories.net Real Women, Global Vision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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