Just some silly thoughts..... on this Monday Night!

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Foremost, Visnu or Sri Krishna is not a devotee of Goddess Devi.Visnu have three energies which is known as yogamaya shakti,mahamaya sakti and the marginal energy. By his yogamaya sakti he creates the spiritual world and through his mahamaya sakti this material world is created and through his marginal energy the jivatma(all living beings come into existence) is created.Mahamaya is Goddess Devi(Durga) who is delegated by Visnu to be the supertiendent of this world.She works for Visnu.

All this description is there in the Srimad Bhagavatam on the topic of creation on Canto 1.Thanks.

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, z-men man <zmenman wrote:

>

> Foremost, Visnu or Sri Krishna is not a devotee of Goddess

Devi.Visnu have three energies which is known as yogamaya

shakti,mahamaya sakti and the marginal energy. By his yogamaya sakti

he creates the spiritual world and through his mahamaya sakti this

material world is created and through his marginal energy the jivatma

(all living beings come into existence) is created.Mahamaya is Goddess

Devi(Durga) who is delegated by Visnu to be the supertiendent of this

world.She works for Visnu.

> All this description is there in the Srimad Bhagavatam on the

topic of creation on Canto 1.Thanks.

>

 

But you see, we are shaktas. To us, DEVI is the boss here. In the

LalitopAkhyAna : Shiva born out of Devi. Visnu worshipped DEVI as he

is the seer of the first Khanda of the PaNcadasAkari. See Saundarya

lahari 5.

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We take knowledge from shastras.We the imperfect human being with imperfect senses cannot determine who is the "BOSS" whimsically especially when the subject matter is of divine in nature.In Brahma Samhita, Lord Brahama's prayers is "Isvara Parama Krsna Sachiananda Vigraha, Ananda adhir Govinda, Sarva Karana karanam" .Here Lord Brahama the creator is establishing the Supremacy of Krsna beyond any reasonable doubts.Likewise, in Garuda Purana, Skanda Purana, Upanishads all of them establish the Supremacy of Krsna.

Even that is very difficult to comprehend than a simple look at the forms of the Gods will convince you.Take for example Lord Shiva, Lord Brahama, Goddess Devi etc they all hold japa mala for chanting.Who are they chanting or meditating upon? Who are they praying to.If they are Supreme than there is no need to mediatate on that someone.But do you see Lord Krishan holding a japa mala? Never at all.

I hope this would clear your doubts.If they don't than please read the above mentioned shastras or even Bhagavad Gita or Srimad Bhagavatam to find out the absolute truth.

Always your servant.

 

NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote:

, z-men man <zmenman wrote:

>

> Foremost, Visnu or Sri Krishna is not a devotee of Goddess

Devi.Visnu have three energies which is known as yogamaya

shakti,mahamaya sakti and the marginal energy. By his yogamaya sakti

he creates the spiritual world and through his mahamaya sakti this

material world is created and through his marginal energy the jivatma

(all living beings come into existence) is created.Mahamaya is Goddess

Devi(Durga) who is delegated by Visnu to be the supertiendent of this

world.She works for Visnu.

> All this description is there in the Srimad Bhagavatam on the

topic of creation on Canto 1.Thanks.

>

 

But you see, we are shaktas. To us, DEVI is the boss here. In the

LalitopAkhyAna : Shiva born out of Devi. Visnu worshipped DEVI as he

is the seer of the first Khanda of the PaNcadasAkari. See Saundarya

lahari 5.

 

 

 

 

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>Mahamaya is Goddess Devi(Durga) who is delegated by Visnu to be the

>supertiendent of this world.She works for Visnu.

 

So what are you doing on a Shakti Sadhana list then? Just curious.

 

Max

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, z-men man <zmenman wrote:

>

> We take knowledge from shastras. We the imperfect human being with

imperfect senses cannot determine who is the "BOSS" whimsically

especially when the subject matter is of divine in nature.In Brahma

Samhita, Lord Brahama's prayers is "Isvara Parama Krsna Sachiananda

Vigraha, Ananda adhir Govinda, Sarva Karana karanam". Here Lord

Brahama the creator is establishing the Supremacy of Krsna beyond

any reasonable doubts. Likewise, in Garuda Purana, Skanda Purana,

Upanishads all of them establish the Supremacy of Krsna.

>

Even that is very difficult to comprehend than a simple look at the

forms of the Gods will convince you.Take for example Lord Shiva,

Lord Brahama, Goddess Devi etc they all hold japa mala for

chanting.Who are they chanting or meditating upon? Who are they

praying to.If they are Supreme than there is no need to mediatate on

that someone. But do you see Lord Krishan holding a japa mala? Never

at all.

>

> I hope this would clear your doubts.If they don't than please

read the above mentioned shastras or even Bhagavad Gita or Srimad

Bhagavatam to find out the absolute truth.

>

> Always your servant.

 

 

No we do not need a servant here. We are mostly householder who just

happen to be passionate about Shakti. If you are not than too bad.

 

Of course we take knowledge from the sastra. You think we create all

this from our own fantasy. You are entited to your own believe. If

you want to believe Lord Krishna is supreme, so he is Supreme to

you. A Shivite told me once, why he considers Shiva is supreme

because Shiva is never born unlike Krishna, or Visnu or DEVI etc.

And so it seems.... Every body wants to believe their devata are

supreme and above others.

 

Again read the following article : For over 200 years, Western

scholars have struggled to understand Hinduism, a faith whose

followers seemed (to outsiders) to arbitrarily worship any one of a

dozen Gods as the Supreme, a religion vastly diverse in its beliefs,

practices and ways of worship. Some Indologists labeled the Hinduism

they encountered polytheistic; others even coined new terms, like

henotheism, to describe this baffling array of spiritual traditions.

Few, however, have realized, and fewer still have written, that

India's Sanatana Dharma, or "eternal faith, " known today as

Hinduism and comprising nearly a billion followers, is a family of

religions with four principal denominations Saivism, Shaktism,

Vaishnavism and Smartism. This single perception is essential for

understanding Hinduisim and explaining it accurately to others.

Contrary to prevailing misconceptions, Hindus all worship a one

Supreme Being, though by different names. For Vaishnavites, Lord

Vishnu is God. For Saivites, God is Siva. For Shaktas, Goddess

Shakti is supreme. For Smartas, liberal Hindus, the choice of Deity

is left to the devotee. Each has a multitude of guru lineages,

religious leaders, priesthoods, sacred literature, monastic

communities, schools, pilgrimage centers and tens of thousands of

temples. They possess a wealth of art and architecture, philosophy

and scholarship. These four sects hold such divergent beliefs that

each is a complete and independent religion. Yet, they share a vast

heritage of culture and belief karma, dharma, reincarnation, all-

pervasive Divinity, temple worship, sacraments, manifold Deities,

the guru-shishya tradition and the Vedas as scriptural authority. In

this eight-page Insight, drawn from Satguru Sivaya

Subramuniyaswami's Dancing with Siva, we offer a synopsis of these

four denominations, followed by a point-by-point comparison.

 

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/2003/10-12/44-

49_four_sects.shtml

 

You wrote : We the imperfect human being with imperfect senses

cannot determine who is the "BOSS"

 

YOu have miss the point here altogether. You are in a shakta group.

To us imperfect fool as you may like to say, shakti is the boss. If

you cant accept this then its too bad. Then all I can say is that

you are in a wrong group. We did not invite you in here. You come on

your own accord. If you do not agree with our statement then you

should know what to do.

 

 

Please read our group statement of purpose :

 

One of the elements that has somewhat alienated and isolated the

Shakta belief system from mainstream Hinduism is the mistaken belief

that its practitioners seek not spiritual liberation (moksha), but

merely the accumulation of occult powers (siddhis).

 

One of the primary purposes of this Group is to counterbalance this

incorrect perception by providing accurate, detailed and truthful

information about Shaktism. In fact, almost all spiritual systems

are expected to fetch siddhis. Shaktas are simply supposed to get

them easier and faster. In Shaktism also, the basic concept is

merger with the absolute even while living in the world, without

renunciation. In fact it is said this is the ONLY path that offers

both Bhukti (worldly happiness) and Mukti (spirtual liberation).

 

Those with narrower approaches to Shakta systems have sometimes

disagreed with our efforts in this Group, saying that we reveal too

much that should remain secret, or that we allow the discussion to

stray too far from (their) standard interpretations. Our response is

always the same: Theirs is only one possible understanding of

Shaktism -- even within the SriVidya system itself. It is an

excellent and admirable understanding, but it is still only one of

many valid possibilities.

 

Our goal is to encourage open debate and discussion of Shaktism,

whether positive or negative, in the belief that the best cure for

ignorance, misunderstanding, and -- above all -- misinformation, is

a frank discourse between people who truly love Devi, and have

chosen to approach the Ultimate Divine through Her myriad forms.

Moreover, and fundamentally, we want to provide the tools necessary

for those who want not merely to discuss Shaktism, but to actually

PRACTICE it in a manner appropriate to their circumstances and

development.

 

That's why our front page contains this "statement of purpose,"

penned by the great Shakta teacher Sri Amritananda Natha

Saraswati: "Make information available. Let people take it or leave

it, think it is true or false. All that matters is: Are you

convinced that this is the way? Let people judge you as they think

fit.

 

Tell them

 

'Come here if you like. Don't come if you don't like. Only try to

see for yourself. Don't blindly accept what others say.'"

 

The legitimacy or otherwise of this group lies not in trying to

convince anyone else of our value -- it lies in putting forth

accurate information about an ancient, complex and beautiful

religious system. It was here for millennia before we were, and it

will be here millennia after we are gone.

 

Social and ideological agendas change with the times, and get stale

and dated very quickly. These are the swirls and eddys on the edges

of a great river. They rise, swirl, make a commotion -- a great deal

of noise and foam -- and then the rejoin the river and flow on.

Shaktism is the river. You are shortchanging yourself if you get so

busy studying the busy, percolating eddys along the edges that you

miss the majestic flow of the Whole.

 

As I'm being told by a wise man before, if you go any body house/

temple and you are not happy with what they are doing, do not

condemn or critice them. Just leave quietly.

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, Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote:

>

> >Mahamaya is Goddess Devi(Durga) who is delegated by Visnu to be the

> >supertiendent of this world.She works for Visnu.

>

> So what are you doing on a Shakti Sadhana list then? Just curious.

>

> Max

 

 

When he join the group, he said his purpose of joining this group is

to help us to HEAL. Whatever that means!

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Bravo, Nora ji. My sentiments exactly.

 

NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote: , z-men man <zmenman wrote:

>

> We take knowledge from shastras. We the imperfect human being with

imperfect senses cannot determine who is the "BOSS" whimsically

especially when the subject matter is of divine in nature.In Brahma

Samhita, Lord Brahama's prayers is "Isvara Parama Krsna Sachiananda

Vigraha, Ananda adhir Govinda, Sarva Karana karanam". Here Lord

Brahama the creator is establishing the Supremacy of Krsna beyond

any reasonable doubts. Likewise, in Garuda Purana, Skanda Purana,

Upanishads all of them establish the Supremacy of Krsna.

>

Even that is very difficult to comprehend than a simple look at the

forms of the Gods will convince you.Take for example Lord Shiva,

Lord Brahama, Goddess Devi etc they all hold japa mala for

chanting.Who are they chanting or meditating upon? Who are they

praying to.If they are Supreme than there is no need to mediatate on

that someone. But do you see Lord Krishan holding a japa mala? Never

at all.

>

> I hope this would clear your doubts.If they don't than please

read the above mentioned shastras or even Bhagavad Gita or Srimad

Bhagavatam to find out the absolute truth.

>

> Always your servant.

 

No we do not need a servant here. We are mostly householder who just

happen to be passionate about Shakti. If you are not than too bad.

 

Of course we take knowledge from the sastra. You think we create all

this from our own fantasy. You are entited to your own believe. If

you want to believe Lord Krishna is supreme, so he is Supreme to

you. A Shivite told me once, why he considers Shiva is supreme

because Shiva is never born unlike Krishna, or Visnu or DEVI etc.

And so it seems.... Every body wants to believe their devata are

supreme and above others.

 

Again read the following article : For over 200 years, Western

scholars have struggled to understand Hinduism, a faith whose

followers seemed (to outsiders) to arbitrarily worship any one of a

dozen Gods as the Supreme, a religion vastly diverse in its beliefs,

practices and ways of worship. Some Indologists labeled the Hinduism

they encountered polytheistic; others even coined new terms, like

henotheism, to describe this baffling array of spiritual traditions.

Few, however, have realized, and fewer still have written, that

India's Sanatana Dharma, or "eternal faith, " known today as

Hinduism and comprising nearly a billion followers, is a family of

religions with four principal denominations Saivism, Shaktism,

Vaishnavism and Smartism. This single perception is essential for

understanding Hinduisim and explaining it accurately to others.

Contrary to prevailing misconceptions, Hindus all worship a one

Supreme Being, though by different names. For Vaishnavites, Lord

Vishnu is God. For Saivites, God is Siva. For Shaktas, Goddess

Shakti is supreme. For Smartas, liberal Hindus, the choice of Deity

is left to the devotee. Each has a multitude of guru lineages,

religious leaders, priesthoods, sacred literature, monastic

communities, schools, pilgrimage centers and tens of thousands of

temples. They possess a wealth of art and architecture, philosophy

and scholarship. These four sects hold such divergent beliefs that

each is a complete and independent religion. Yet, they share a vast

heritage of culture and belief karma, dharma, reincarnation, all-

pervasive Divinity, temple worship, sacraments, manifold Deities,

the guru-shishya tradition and the Vedas as scriptural authority. In

this eight-page Insight, drawn from Satguru Sivaya

Subramuniyaswami's Dancing with Siva, we offer a synopsis of these

four denominations, followed by a point-by-point comparison.

 

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/2003/10-12/44-

49_four_sects.shtml

 

You wrote : We the imperfect human being with imperfect senses

cannot determine who is the "BOSS"

 

YOu have miss the point here altogether. You are in a shakta group.

To us imperfect fool as you may like to say, shakti is the boss. If

you cant accept this then its too bad. Then all I can say is that

you are in a wrong group. We did not invite you in here. You come on

your own accord. If you do not agree with our statement then you

should know what to do.

 

Please read our group statement of purpose :

 

One of the elements that has somewhat alienated and isolated the

Shakta belief system from mainstream Hinduism is the mistaken belief

that its practitioners seek not spiritual liberation (moksha), but

merely the accumulation of occult powers (siddhis).

 

One of the primary purposes of this Group is to counterbalance this

incorrect perception by providing accurate, detailed and truthful

information about Shaktism. In fact, almost all spiritual systems

are expected to fetch siddhis. Shaktas are simply supposed to get

them easier and faster. In Shaktism also, the basic concept is

merger with the absolute even while living in the world, without

renunciation. In fact it is said this is the ONLY path that offers

both Bhukti (worldly happiness) and Mukti (spirtual liberation).

 

Those with narrower approaches to Shakta systems have sometimes

disagreed with our efforts in this Group, saying that we reveal too

much that should remain secret, or that we allow the discussion to

stray too far from (their) standard interpretations. Our response is

always the same: Theirs is only one possible understanding of

Shaktism -- even within the SriVidya system itself. It is an

excellent and admirable understanding, but it is still only one of

many valid possibilities.

 

Our goal is to encourage open debate and discussion of Shaktism,

whether positive or negative, in the belief that the best cure for

ignorance, misunderstanding, and -- above all -- misinformation, is

a frank discourse between people who truly love Devi, and have

chosen to approach the Ultimate Divine through Her myriad forms.

Moreover, and fundamentally, we want to provide the tools necessary

for those who want not merely to discuss Shaktism, but to actually

PRACTICE it in a manner appropriate to their circumstances and

development.

 

That's why our front page contains this "statement of purpose,"

penned by the great Shakta teacher Sri Amritananda Natha

Saraswati: "Make information available. Let people take it or leave

it, think it is true or false. All that matters is: Are you

convinced that this is the way? Let people judge you as they think

fit.

 

Tell them

 

'Come here if you like. Don't come if you don't like. Only try to

see for yourself. Don't blindly accept what others say.'"

 

The legitimacy or otherwise of this group lies not in trying to

convince anyone else of our value -- it lies in putting forth

accurate information about an ancient, complex and beautiful

religious system. It was here for millennia before we were, and it

will be here millennia after we are gone.

 

Social and ideological agendas change with the times, and get stale

and dated very quickly. These are the swirls and eddys on the edges

of a great river. They rise, swirl, make a commotion -- a great deal

of noise and foam -- and then the rejoin the river and flow on.

Shaktism is the river. You are shortchanging yourself if you get so

busy studying the busy, percolating eddys along the edges that you

miss the majestic flow of the Whole.

 

As I'm being told by a wise man before, if you go any body house/

temple and you are not happy with what they are doing, do not

condemn or critice them. Just leave quietly.

 

 

 

 

 

Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

 

>From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

 

 

 

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Z-men man,

 

We ain't buyin' what you're pedalin'!

 

The Brahma Samhita is a purely Gaudiya Vaishnava text that was "found

by Chaitanya". It means absolutely nothing to me and I'd imagine it

means about as much for most others here. We read the shastras and we

are Shaktas, and nothing you can say will have any effect on that! Go

pedal it somewhere else!

 

Shri Matre namah!

 

 

, z-men man <zmenman wrote:

>

> We take knowledge from shastras.We the imperfect human being with

imperfect senses cannot determine who is the "BOSS" whimsically

especially when the subject matter is of divine in nature.In Brahma

Samhita, Lord Brahama's prayers is "Isvara Parama Krsna Sachiananda

Vigraha, Ananda adhir Govinda, Sarva Karana karanam" .Here Lord

Brahama the creator is establishing the Supremacy of Krsna beyond any

reasonable doubts.Likewise, in Garuda Purana, Skanda Purana,

Upanishads all of them establish the Supremacy of Krsna.

>

> Even that is very difficult to comprehend than a simple look at

the forms of the Gods will convince you.Take for example Lord Shiva,

Lord Brahama, Goddess Devi etc they all hold japa mala for

chanting.Who are they chanting or meditating upon? Who are they

praying to.If they are Supreme than there is no need to mediatate on

that someone.But do you see Lord Krishan holding a japa mala? Never at

all.

>

> I hope this would clear your doubts.If they don't than please read

the above mentioned shastras or even Bhagavad Gita or Srimad

Bhagavatam to find out the absolute truth.

>

> Always your servant.

>

>

>

>

> NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote:

> , z-men man

<zmenman@> wrote:

> >

> > Foremost, Visnu or Sri Krishna is not a devotee of Goddess

> Devi.Visnu have three energies which is known as yogamaya

> shakti,mahamaya sakti and the marginal energy. By his yogamaya sakti

> he creates the spiritual world and through his mahamaya sakti this

> material world is created and through his marginal energy the jivatma

> (all living beings come into existence) is created.Mahamaya is Goddess

> Devi(Durga) who is delegated by Visnu to be the supertiendent of this

> world.She works for Visnu.

> > All this description is there in the Srimad Bhagavatam on the

> topic of creation on Canto 1.Thanks.

> >

>

> But you see, we are shaktas. To us, DEVI is the boss here. In the

> LalitopAkhyAna : Shiva born out of Devi. Visnu worshipped DEVI as he

> is the seer of the first Khanda of the PaNcadasAkari. See Saundarya

> lahari 5.

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

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This sounds like ISKCON or Gaudiya Vaishnava logic. Do sampradayas

other that gaudiya vaishnavas accept brahma samhita ?

 

Regards

Sumanta

 

 

, z-men man <zmenman wrote:

>

> We take knowledge from shastras.We the imperfect human being with

imperfect senses cannot determine who is the "BOSS" whimsically

especially when the subject matter is of divine in nature.In Brahma

Samhita, Lord Brahama's prayers is "Isvara Parama Krsna Sachiananda

Vigraha, Ananda adhir Govinda, Sarva Karana karanam" .Here Lord

Brahama the creator is establishing the Supremacy of Krsna beyond any

reasonable doubts.Likewise, in Garuda Purana, Skanda Purana,

Upanishads all of them establish the Supremacy of Krsna.

>

> Even that is very difficult to comprehend than a simple look at

the forms of the Gods will convince you.Take for example Lord Shiva,

Lord Brahama, Goddess Devi etc they all hold japa mala for

chanting.Who are they chanting or meditating upon? Who are they

praying to.If they are Supreme than there is no need to mediatate on

that someone.But do you see Lord Krishan holding a japa mala? Never at

all.

>

> I hope this would clear your doubts.If they don't than please read

the above mentioned shastras or even Bhagavad Gita or Srimad

Bhagavatam to find out the absolute truth.

>

> Always your servant.

>

>

>

>

> NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote:

> , z-men man

<zmenman@> wrote:

> >

> > Foremost, Visnu or Sri Krishna is not a devotee of Goddess

> Devi.Visnu have three energies which is known as yogamaya

> shakti,mahamaya sakti and the marginal energy. By his yogamaya sakti

> he creates the spiritual world and through his mahamaya sakti this

> material world is created and through his marginal energy the jivatma

> (all living beings come into existence) is created.Mahamaya is Goddess

> Devi(Durga) who is delegated by Visnu to be the supertiendent of this

> world.She works for Visnu.

> > All this description is there in the Srimad Bhagavatam on the

> topic of creation on Canto 1.Thanks.

> >

>

> But you see, we are shaktas. To us, DEVI is the boss here. In the

> LalitopAkhyAna : Shiva born out of Devi. Visnu worshipped DEVI as he

> is the seer of the first Khanda of the PaNcadasAkari. See Saundarya

> lahari 5.

>

>

>

>

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

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>

>

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Hi z-man,

I just read your email, yes I am behind...

you wrote

"Even that is very difficult to comprehend than a simple look at the forms of the Gods will convince you.Take for example Lord Shiva, Lord Brahama, Goddess Devi etc they all hold japa mala for chanting.Who are they chanting or meditating upon? Who are they praying to.If they are Supreme than there is no need to mediatate on that someone.But do you see Lord Krishan holding a japa mala? Never at all."

For me it is simple, but my opinion can be wrong though ;-)

1) they give an example how to pray, they are great teachers.

2) they give prayers to the supreme all, from which they are part of.

(of course we also are part of, but they are more aware of this)

3) Because they Love...

Just my thoughts,

Elise

 

 

 

 

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Pranam, Z-man.

Just a query.. Shri Hayagriva is an avatar of Sriman Narayana. He has a japa mala in His hand. Pray, tell me, Who does He meditate upon??

With Love

Shankaree

 

 

 

 

Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

 

>From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

 

 

 

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Love questions like this. Thank Shankaree. The mala for The Lord represents

how he is the sutra or thread which runs through and is all worlds, or

beads. Thus the highest to pray for. One may reside as one with Hayagriva in

meditation.

 

 

 

 

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"Shankaree Ramatas" <shankaree >

<>

Saturday, December 23, 2006 6:01 AM

Re: Re: Just some silly thoughts..... on this

Monday Night!

 

 

Pranam, Z-man.

 

Just a query.. Shri Hayagriva is an avatar of Sriman Narayana. He has a

japa mala in His hand. Pray, tell me, Who does He meditate upon??

 

With Love

 

Shankaree

 

 

 

 

Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

 

>From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

 

 

 

 

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|| hariH OM || Namaste,

 

The Srimad Bhagavata Maha Puranam recounts the story of Rishi Narada visiting Lord Krishna and seeing him performing homas with Pancha Maha Yajnas, sandhya vandanam and Brahma japam (X.69.24, 25). He also sees Lord Krishna meditating on the "One Purusha who is different from Prakriti" (prakrthe param eka purusham dhyayantham) (X.69.30).

 

Also, the Gopi's pray to Katyayani to get the Lord Krishna (with the famous mantra Katyayani Maha Maye....).

 

Could you throw some more light on the tantric interpretation of the Rasakrida (if it is allowable). I was struck the usage the word "Vira" several times during the rasa panchadhyayi in the Srimad Bhagavatam.

 

pranams,

 

Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree > wrote: Hi Shankaree,

Yes, yes!! You have a point, madam. Someone who sounded very authoritative dropping names of Upanishads, Bhagavata puranam, Bhagavadgita etc., probably had his winkers on, for, Ratri suktam amd Devi suktam occur in Rigveda. There is then the Devi Bhagavatam. In Ramayana, Lord Rama prays to his Lord viz., Lord Rameshwara to expiate the sin of brahminicide he incurred by slaying Ravana. In other words, Lord Mahadeva, the great healer, had to be invoked. Lord Siva is the Vishwa Bheshaja, the universal healer -- authority, the vedas. I can quote mantras -- result of yours faithfully undergoing 8 years of adhyayanam. In Mahabharata, Lord Krishna exhorts Arjuna to propitiate and pray to Goddess Durga for victory in the war and he himself initiates Arjuna in Devi worship. This is a famous hymn to Goddess Durga.

 

Lord Krishna was foremost among the kaulas, having practised chakra sadhana, yet the most esoteric sadhana in kaulachara. I may start a world war if I say what else was rasakrida if not chakra sadhana. (What I just averred is kaularahasya -- most esoteric; the three oghas (crowd, literally) of gurus and acharyas forgive me for letting out something unwittingly -- having been overwhelmed by the discussion). One can go on and on, but I am an ignorant imbecile.

 

Atas twaam (Devim) aaraadhyaam katham akrtapunyafprabhavati.

Om Namastripurasundari

JR

 

Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree > wrote: Pranam, Z-man.

Just a query.. Shri Hayagriva is an avatar of Sriman Narayana. He has a japa mala in His hand. Pray, tell me, Who does He meditate upon??

With Love

Shankaree

Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

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Dear Krishnakumar

As all know, there are three classes of worshippers viz., pashu, vir and daiva. Pashu class does external pujas and japams,going through a lot of purificatory rites. On maturing, the guru guides him into vira path which only the bravest can take up. This sadhana calls for extremes of mental resilience and the most difficult. Chakrasadhana is their forte done along with other sadhakas and sadhikas. The whole devagana, saptarshis, the triune of deities, munis and rishis were witness to the vira sadhana undertaken by Lord Krishna. He was a vira and became a daiva. Daivas don't require to do anything. Nothing -- no rules, no conventions and traditions -- bind them at all. They become jeevanmuktas. Lord Krishna avers to this fact in Bhagavadgita that he does not need to do anything and nothing binds him, yet he follows social norms as people are bound to emulate whatever he does.

 

I give some more hints -- in Bhagavatam itself you don't find the name of Radha. In other popular recenscions, once leaving gokula, he never comes back to Radha (these are chakrasadhana practices). Vira sadhana is the holiest of holy practices, guaranteed to bring uplift within 6 months of practice when guided by a competent guru.

 

This much I can say, sir. I am too ignorant to reveal anymore. Pl. approach a guru who is also a learned person.

 

"Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m > wrote: || hariH OM || Namaste,

 

The Srimad Bhagavata Maha Puranam recounts the story of Rishi Narada visiting Lord Krishna and seeing him performing homas with Pancha Maha Yajnas, sandhya vandanam and Brahma japam (X.69.24, 25). He also sees Lord Krishna meditating on the "One Purusha who is different from Prakriti" (prakrthe param eka purusham dhyayantham) (X.69.30).

 

Also, the Gopi's pray to Katyayani to get the Lord Krishna (with the famous mantra Katyayani Maha Maye....).

 

Could you throw some more light on the tantric interpretation of the Rasakrida (if it is allowable). I was struck the usage the word "Vira" several times during the rasa panchadhyayi in the Srimad Bhagavatam.

 

pranams,

 

Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree > wrote: Hi Shankaree,

Yes, yes!! You have a point, madam. Someone who sounded very authoritative dropping names of Upanishads, Bhagavata puranam, Bhagavadgita etc., probably had his winkers on, for, Ratri suktam amd Devi suktam occur in Rigveda. There is then the Devi Bhagavatam. In Ramayana, Lord Rama prays to his Lord viz., Lord Rameshwara to expiate the sin of brahminicide he incurred by slaying Ravana. In other words, Lord Mahadeva, the great healer, had to be invoked. Lord Siva is the Vishwa Bheshaja, the universal healer -- authority, the vedas. I can quote mantras -- result of yours faithfully undergoing 8 years of adhyayanam. In Mahabharata, Lord Krishna exhorts Arjuna to propitiate and pray to Goddess Durga for victory in the war and he himself initiates Arjuna in Devi worship. This is a famous hymn to Goddess Durga.

Lord Krishna was foremost among the kaulas, having practised chakra sadhana, yet the most esoteric sadhana in kaulachara. I may start a world war if I say what else was rasakrida if not chakra sadhana. (What I just averred is kaularahasya -- most esoteric; the three oghas (crowd, literally) of gurus and acharyas forgive me for letting out something unwittingly -- having been overwhelmed by the discussion). One can go on and on, but I am an ignorant imbecile.

Atas twaam (Devim) aaraadhyaam katham akrtapunyafprabhavati.

Om Namastripurasundari

JR

Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree > wrote: Pranam, Z-man.

Just a query.. Shri Hayagriva is an avatar of Sriman Narayana. He has a japa mala in His hand. Pray, tell me, Who does He meditate upon??

With Love

Shankaree

Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

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In North India, Durga is worshipped for 9 days and then Ram Leela, the slaying of Ravana takes place. Vijaya Dasami is a celebration of Rama's victory.. Why do we have this confusion in South? It is very clear that Rama prayed to Durga before the war.

 

Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree > wrote: Hi Shankaree,

Yes, yes!! You have a point, madam. Someone who sounded very authoritative dropping names of Upanishads, Bhagavata puranam, Bhagavadgita etc., probably had his winkers on, for, Ratri suktam amd Devi suktam occur in Rigveda. There is then the Devi Bhagavatam. In Ramayana, Lord Rama prays to his Lord viz., Lord Rameshwara to expiate the sin of brahminicide he incurred by slaying Ravana. In other words, Lord Mahadeva, the great healer, had to be invoked. Lord Siva is the Vishwa Bheshaja, the universal healer -- authority, the vedas. I can quote mantras -- result of yours faithfully undergoing 8 years of adhyayanam. In Mahabharata, Lord Krishna exhorts Arjuna to propitiate and pray to Goddess Durga for victory in the war and he himself initiates Arjuna in Devi worship. This is a famous hymn to Goddess Durga.

 

Lord Krishna was foremost among the kaulas, having practised chakra sadhana, yet the most esoteric sadhana in kaulachara. I may start a world war if I say what else was rasakrida if not chakra sadhana. (What I just averred is kaularahasya -- most esoteric; the three oghas (crowd, literally) of gurus and acharyas forgive me for letting out something unwittingly -- having been overwhelmed by the discussion). One can go on and on, but I am an ignorant imbecile.

 

Atas twaam (Devim) aaraadhyaam katham akrtapunyafprabhavati.

Om Namastripurasundari

JR

 

Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree > wrote: Pranam, Z-man.

 

Just a query.. Shri Hayagriva is an avatar of Sriman Narayana. He has a japa mala in His hand. Pray, tell me, Who does He meditate upon??

 

With Love

 

Shankaree

 

Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

 

>From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

 

 

 

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Namaste JR,

 

Thank you so much for the pointers. Lord Krishna, the Poornavataram, doing Sadhana!. The Rasakreeda indeed has infinite dimensions, like the Lord of the Leela.. Srimad Bhagavatam apparently has treasures hidden deep within, in addition to the more obvious ones in the outer layers. I do hope, someday, I become worthy of being found by a Guru. Till then....

 

pranams,

 

 

Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree > wrote: Dear Krishnakumar

As all know, there are three classes of worshippers viz., pashu, vir and daiva. Pashu class does external pujas and japams,going through a lot of purificatory rites. On maturing, the guru guides him into vira path which only the bravest can take up. This sadhana calls for extremes of mental resilience and the most difficult. Chakrasadhana is their forte done along with other sadhakas and sadhikas. The whole devagana, saptarshis, the triune of deities, munis and rishis were witness to the vira sadhana undertaken by Lord Krishna. He was a vira and became a daiva. Daivas don't require to do anything. Nothing -- no rules, no conventions and traditions -- bind them at all. They become jeevanmuktas. Lord Krishna avers to this fact in Bhagavadgita that he does not need to do anything and nothing binds him, yet he follows social norms as people are bound to emulate whatever he does.

 

I give some more hints -- in Bhagavatam itself you don't find the name of Radha. In other popular recenscions, once leaving gokula, he never comes back to Radha (these are chakrasadhana practices). Vira sadhana is the holiest of holy practices, guaranteed to bring uplift within 6 months of practice when guided by a competent guru.

 

This much I can say, sir. I am too ignorant to reveal anymore. Pl. approach a guru who is also a learned person.

 

"Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m > wrote: || hariH OM || Namaste,

The Srimad Bhagavata Maha Puranam recounts the story of Rishi Narada visiting Lord Krishna and seeing him performing homas with Pancha Maha Yajnas, sandhya vandanam and Brahma japam (X.69.24, 25). He also sees Lord Krishna meditating on the "One Purusha who is different from Prakriti" (prakrthe param eka purusham dhyayantham) (X.69.30).

Also, the Gopi's pray to Katyayani to get the Lord Krishna (with the famous mantra Katyayani Maha Maye....).

Could you throw some more light on the tantric interpretation of the Rasakrida (if it is allowable). I was struck the usage the word "Vira" several times during the rasa panchadhyayi in the Srimad Bhagavatam.

pranams,

Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree > wrote: Hi Shankaree,

Yes, yes!! You have a point, madam. Someone who sounded very authoritative dropping names of Upanishads, Bhagavata puranam, Bhagavadgita etc., probably had his winkers on, for, Ratri suktam amd Devi suktam occur in Rigveda.. There is then the Devi Bhagavatam. In Ramayana, Lord Rama prays to his Lord viz., Lord Rameshwara to expiate the sin of brahminicide he incurred by slaying Ravana. In other words, Lord Mahadeva, the great healer, had to be invoked. Lord Siva is the Vishwa Bheshaja, the universal healer -- authority, the vedas. I can quote mantras -- result of yours faithfully undergoing 8 years of adhyayanam. In Mahabharata, Lord Krishna exhorts Arjuna to propitiate and pray to Goddess Durga for victory in the war and he himself initiates Arjuna in Devi worship. This is a famous hymn to Goddess Durga.

Lord Krishna was foremost among the kaulas, having practised chakra sadhana, yet the most esoteric sadhana in kaulachara. I may start a world war if I say what else was rasakrida if not chakra sadhana. (What I just averred is kaularahasya -- most esoteric; the three oghas (crowd, literally) of gurus and acharyas forgive me for letting out something unwittingly -- having been overwhelmed by the discussion). One can go on and on, but I am an ignorant imbecile.

Atas twaam (Devim) aaraadhyaam katham akrtapunyafprabhavati.

Om Namastripurasundari

JR

Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree > wrote: Pranam, Z-man.

Just a query.. Shri Hayagriva is an avatar of Sriman Narayana. He has a japa mala in His hand. Pray, tell me, Who does He meditate upon??

With Love

Shankaree

Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

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Thanks for pointing out the difference between Pashu, Vir and Daiva. Last

time I used this word I was flamed badly..

Regards

Dp

 

 

On 12/24/06, Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree > wrote:

>

> Dear Krishnakumar

> As all know, there are three classes of worshippers viz., pashu, vir and

> daiva. Pashu class does external pujas and japams,going through a lot of

> purificatory rites. On maturing, the guru guides him into vira path which

> only the bravest can take up. This sadhana calls for extremes of mental

> resilience and the most difficult. Chakrasadhana is their forte done along

> with other sadhakas and sadhikas. The whole devagana, saptarshis, the triune

> of deities, munis and rishis were witness to the vira sadhana undertaken by

> Lord Krishna. He was a vira and became a daiva. Daivas don't require to do

> anything. Nothing -- no rules, no conventions and traditions -- bind them at

> all. They become jeevanmuktas. Lord Krishna avers to this fact in

> Bhagavadgita that he does not need to do anything and nothing binds him, yet

> he follows social norms as people are bound to emulate whatever he does.

>

> I give some more hints -- in Bhagavatam itself you don't find the name of

> Radha. In other popular recenscions, once leaving gokula, he never comes

> back to Radha (these are chakrasadhana practices). Vira sadhana is the

> holiest of holy practices, guaranteed to bring uplift within 6 months of

> practice when guided by a competent guru.

>

> This much I can say, sir. I am too ignorant to reveal anymore. Pl.

> approach a guru who is also a learned person.

>

> "Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m <krishna_kumar_m%40>>

> wrote: || hariH OM || Namaste,

>

>

> The Srimad Bhagavata Maha Puranam recounts the story of Rishi Narada

> visiting Lord Krishna and seeing him performing homas with Pancha Maha

> Yajnas, sandhya vandanam and Brahma japam (X.69.24, 25). He also sees Lord

> Krishna meditating on the "One Purusha who is different from Prakriti"

> (prakrthe param eka purusham dhyayantham) (X.69.30).

>

> Also, the Gopi's pray to Katyayani to get the Lord Krishna (with the

> famous mantra Katyayani Maha Maye....).

>

> Could you throw some more light on the tantric interpretation of the

> Rasakrida (if it is allowable). I was struck the usage the word "Vira"

> several times during the rasa panchadhyayi in the Srimad Bhagavatam.

>

> pranams,

>

> Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree <jayaarshree%40>> wrote:

> Hi Shankaree,

> Yes, yes!! You have a point, madam. Someone who sounded very authoritative

> dropping names of Upanishads, Bhagavata puranam, Bhagavadgita etc., probably

> had his winkers on, for, Ratri suktam amd Devi suktam occur in Rigveda.

> There is then the Devi Bhagavatam. In Ramayana, Lord Rama prays to his Lord

> viz., Lord Rameshwara to expiate the sin of brahminicide he incurred by

> slaying Ravana. In other words, Lord Mahadeva, the great healer, had to be

> invoked. Lord Siva is the Vishwa Bheshaja, the universal healer --

> authority, the vedas. I can quote mantras -- result of yours faithfully

> undergoing 8 years of adhyayanam. In Mahabharata, Lord Krishna exhorts

> Arjuna to propitiate and pray to Goddess Durga for victory in the war and he

> himself initiates Arjuna in Devi worship. This is a famous hymn to Goddess

> Durga.

>

> Lord Krishna was foremost among the kaulas, having practised chakra

> sadhana, yet the most esoteric sadhana in kaulachara. I may start a world

> war if I say what else was rasakrida if not chakra sadhana. (What I just

> averred is kaularahasya -- most esoteric; the three oghas (crowd, literally)

> of gurus and acharyas forgive me for letting out something unwittingly --

> having been overwhelmed by the discussion). One can go on and on, but I am

> an ignorant imbecile.

>

> Atas twaam (Devim) aaraadhyaam katham akrtapunyafprabhavati.

> Om Namastripurasundari

> JR

>

> Shankaree Ramatas <shankaree <shankaree%40>> wrote:

> Pranam, Z-man.

>

> Just a query.. Shri Hayagriva is an avatar of Sriman Narayana. He has a

> japa mala in His hand. Pray, tell me, Who does He meditate upon??

>

> With Love

>

> Shankaree

>

> Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

> Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

> Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

> Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

> Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

> Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

> Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

>

> From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

>

>

>

> Try the all-new Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use"

> – The Wall Street Journal

>

>