Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im studying various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read the book Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it even more interesting. I am interested in practically learning this method also. I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi gurudham in Pitampura... i have few important questions. So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a diksha, but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) And how long does it really take to learn it? Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have succesfully accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, as im a proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly appreciated. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for mastering Hypnotism. shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa everyday is essential. Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the basic requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/- and you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One safatic (crystal mala), one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made from copper or parad) & one book of daily Guru sadhna. These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount. These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take special diksha called " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if possible. This is second stage. First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and your hardwork combined with devotion and faith. Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram , "scorpion_1112in" <scorpion_1112in wrote: > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im studying > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read the book > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it even more > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this method also. > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi gurudham in > Pitampura... i have few important questions. > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a diksha, > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) > > And how long does it really take to learn it? > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have succesfully > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, as im a > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly appreciated. Thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi Gurudham and i told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional working degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i wanna make use of this time). He did say something about getting a mantra with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked very nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl wrote here in previous posts, he was very nice) That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by gurudev from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a lengthy method... or mantra. In words of gurudev "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh hai ki wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop se seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha ja sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah subah sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen par baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai, jis tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne samney ek feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek chota sa lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us lal bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey, shuro mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray is abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat nahin hai, Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki kriya kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 minute ka abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai. Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i was in 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow now im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other hypnotism methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will see many expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis, kundalini hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to follow, only to help who comes for own help. Still im very interested in learning and researching "this" method. This method includes great self discipline(means self improvement) and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in quicky hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and maybe giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some success. I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine science of mind. Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru mantra. Well the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at the rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day of mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is gonna take atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem taking guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the thing is i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to vast world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my scope. One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab saadhey sab jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for now, is that possible? I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace from spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but thats the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know everything about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have to make many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road ahead. I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife doesnt like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit guides... and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha from Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus at a time... complex situation huh? Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just builds with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i liked what Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard work", well hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im sure to succeed. But i need to narrow the task list. So what would u suggest from here? , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay wrote: > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for mastering > Hypnotism. > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa everyday > is essential. > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the basic > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/- and > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One safatic > (crystal mala), > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made from > copper or parad) > & one book of daily Guru sadhna. > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount. > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take > special diksha called > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if > possible. This is second stage. > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and your > hardwork combined with devotion > and faith. > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im studying > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read the > book > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it even > more > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this method > also. > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi gurudham > in > > Pitampura... i have few important questions. > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a > diksha, > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it? > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have > succesfully > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, as > im a > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly appreciated. > Thanks. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Jai Gurudev! Gurudev Ki Kripa Aparampar!1 Dear Bhai, I read each word thoroughly what you wrote. I would also stick to Shashtri ji's advice to take Gurudiksha first. Nothing moves and nothing works in absence of an Able Guru. You may proceed by buying a book and reap initial gains, but again let me tell you at one point or the other you would need Gurudev to guide you, to shape you up, and to take you to the heights u aspire for. There is no Gyan without a Guru and if all books had been all knowledgeable then we all would have been on the top by now. My best with you bhai Jai Gurudev somy --- scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in > wrote: > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi > Gurudham and i > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my > proffesional working > degree from an American institute(which is half > pending, so i wanna > make use of this time). He did say something about > getting a mantra > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And > yes, he talked very > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few > other ppl wrote > here in previous posts, he was very nice) > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" > Pravachan by gurudev > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no > mention of such a > lengthy method... or mantra. > > In words of gurudev > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda > behatar to yeh hai ki > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur > practical roop se > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se > bhi seekha ja > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye > ki vah subah > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray > mein zameen par > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit > nahin hai, jis > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur > apne samney ek > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek > samney ek chota sa > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), > iske bad us lal > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, > tratak karey, shuro > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, > dheeray dheeray is > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki > zaroorat nahin hai, > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte > rehney ki kriya > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se > zayda 60 minute ka > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai. > > Besides this i have read the book practical > hypnotism since i was in > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of > mantra. Anyhow now > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, > other hypnotism > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak > and u will see many > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing > Past life > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual > hypnosis, kundalini > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical > code to follow, > only to help who comes for own help. > > Still im very interested in learning and researching > "this" method. > This method includes great self discipline(means > self improvement) > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be > helpful in quicky > hypnotising a willing client to third stage > (somnabulistic) and maybe > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak > with some success. > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a > devine science > of mind. > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" > guru mantra. Well > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra > right? Even at the > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead > Rosary) a day of > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems > this is gonna take > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any > problem taking > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart > but the thing is > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only > interested in > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening > my doors to vast > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna > confine my scope. > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab > sadhey, sab saadhey sab > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, > atleast for now, > is that possible? > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength > and grace from > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many > questions maybe but thats > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to > know everything > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i > will have to make > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan > the road ahead. > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family > my wife doesnt > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from > Spirit guides... > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took > one diksha from > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from > different gurus at a > time... complex situation huh? > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji > taught > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not > compassion", it just builds > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, > but i liked what > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur > hard work", well > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, > then im sure to > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list. > > So what would u suggest from here? > > > > > > , "sharva_ajay" > <sharva_ajay > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti > chakra for mastering > > Hypnotism. > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru > mantra japa everyday > > is essential. > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself > familar with the basic > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will > require Rs. 540/- and > > you need to have one laminated photograph of > Gurudev, One safatic > > (crystal mala), > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru > yantra( made from > > copper or parad) > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna. > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha > amount. > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no > matter which > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount > required to take > > special diksha called > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month > or next day if > > possible. This is second stage. > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that > it is you and your > > hardwork combined with devotion > > and faith. > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram We Didn't say that you need to do mantra japa to practice Traatak. We meant that you if are already doing traatak and achieved success to a level and are unable to progress beyond that, for which you have decided to take special Shaktipaat Sammohan Diksha for better mastery over hypnotism. For that only you need to do mantra sadhna. Doing daily Guru mantra japa and Guru Poojan just takes half an hour even if done in a slow,relaxed and easy manner. If a person feels that he can get new knowledge from Gurudev Nikhil which was not available to him/her previously then he can take Guru Diksha from them even if he/she has taken Guru Diksha previously. Guru is not just a body, He/She is manifestation of knowledge in physical form . It is just that we respect,follow & imbibe knowledge in ourselves by using various methods which are projection of humbleness faith & Devotion. The reason behind this is a humble mind is able to absorb knowledge and Diksha is the starting point. Our duty after taking Gurud Diksha is only that we follow what our Gurudev has said. It may be the a compulsion ,when bad sanskars hidden in us oppose our efforts in following the Guru, but not of a kind which is looked with disrespect. A thirsty person doing something to get water to quench his thirst, even if under some compulsion, will not be looked down upon. On the other hand a person doing something under compulsion to get alchohol for himself, even due to unstoppable urge, will be looked down upon. Just like " Compassion due to compulsion is not compassion". Simalarly " Every compulsion does not qualify for compassion". Both are true and one does not negate the other. Gurudev Nikhil have also pointed towards our shortcoming in this regards. They have told that when we take Mantra Japa as some kind of burden, do it with the tendency of "just somehow finish it off", some how carry through the whole process with a laboured disinterested manner and wavering mind then we will not get complete results. Whatever Gurudev have said, tells us that there should be more of compassionate drive to do sadhna. Similarly Gurudev have asked us not to get disheartened or impatient with these problems. They always suggested methods to get over these problems. They helped us with their knowledge and love. They still help us in so many ways that we are not even able to feel through our limited perception abilities. Gurudev have given us so many methods to motivate ourselves that anyone who is interested in doing sadhna will use one or the other sentence of Gurudev to climb over the mountain of obstacles and reach his destination of desired objective. Similarly a person who does not want to do sadhna, will collect a thousand reasons from his surroundings and the world around to shun this path. Gurudev's knowledge covers so many vast spheres of specialisation that it is very difficult to put them in words with the highest magnitude of efforts. We do not say that only those who have taken diksha from them have been influenced by their knowledge. Before spreading the light of sadhnas through mantra, tantra, yantra they had already written scores of books on astrology and put it on very high pedestal of respect in world over. Whenever there was contradiction of views or unceratinty over some astrological aspect, Gurudev's analysis was accepted as final word on that issue from everyone in the astrological fraternity. Gurudev's focus and sense of purpose is just unparralled when we see that they did not decide to sit back on the praise and fame which they had earned with so much hardwork and started a new phase of giving knowledge to the masses. They revived the age old sacred tradition of Guru and Disciple in a broader social setup as it was just getting confined to handful of sadahks in some remote places of Himalayas. Many sadhaks who were associated with Gurudev from earlier days were also surprised by the fact that after taking the science of astrology to such great heights they moved ahead in their journey of giving knowledge of mantra,tantra, yantra to people as if they have nothing to do with astrology and diverted their whole effort and time to guide sadhaks in their pursuit of mastering mantra,tantra and yantra sadhnas. Many people who have read only books of astrology of Gurudev know Him as an astrologer only. They are not aware of Him as Guru and spiritual guide of lacs of sadhaks around the world. If that was not enough, once Gurudev told that people have started thinking about Him as the master of mantra ,tantra & yantra only. Gurudev told that He is a many times better as Ayurvedacharaya & as a Alchemsist. Now we can just imagine how much justice we have done in terms of learning complete knowledge from Gurudev and how much we have failed to do. Reasons for telling all this is that there are millions of people around the world who are influenced by Gurudev's Knowledge and they are using it in their personal and professional lives.Therefore there is no restriction in grasping the knowledge by one's mind, body & soul. we in this discussion group can just discuss about a few things or give information to one another. It is no way exaustive or restrictive in any manner. Taking Diksha and doing sdhna is certainly a better path. It has its own merits which are not available to a person otherwise but if person wants to take benifit from Gurudev's knowledge without doing Mantra,Tantra & yantra based sadhnas then he can easily do so. A person take read Gurudev's books on palmistry, astrology, hypnotism, Alchemy, Higher stages of Yoga, Kundlini Jaagran etc. and take befinit from them by putting things into practise, whichever permissible,and taking due precautions wherever mentioned. Sadhna is the path where things need te be done practically and merely reading about them will not give any benifit. Doing Traatak is also a kind of sadhna although we do not do any mantra japa. Our personal experience and opinion is that it is always better to go as per the requirement of sadhna, which is taking Diksha, Doing mantra Japa, Using Sadhna Samagri etc. and following other directions which can be easily practiced by any average householder. It is always better to take a decision on our own in these matters. And we suggest everyone to do so. You may read following article about Diksha & Shaktipat Diksha:- http://www.siddhashram.org/diksha.shtml You may read other literature also at Gurudham and you will find why Guru mantra is important. Although complete book on its importance will be like a drop in the ocean, literally. We do not want ourselves in the dilemma of what to leave and what to write with reference to Guru Mantra. Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram , "scorpion_1112in" <scorpion_1112in wrote: > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi Gurudham and i > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional working > degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i wanna > make use of this time). He did say something about getting a mantra > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked very > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl wrote > here in previous posts, he was very nice) > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by gurudev > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a > lengthy method... or mantra. > > In words of gurudev > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh hai ki > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop se > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha ja > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah subah > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen par > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai, jis > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne samney ek > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek chota sa > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us lal > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey, shuro > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray is > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat nahin hai, > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki kriya > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 minute ka > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai. > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i was in > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow now > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other hypnotism > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will see many > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis, kundalini > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to follow, > only to help who comes for own help. > > Still im very interested in learning and researching "this" method. > This method includes great self discipline(means self improvement) > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in quicky > hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and maybe > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some success. > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine science > of mind. > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru mantra. Well > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at the > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day of > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is gonna take > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem taking > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the thing is > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to vast > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my scope. > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab saadhey sab > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for now, > is that possible? > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace from > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but thats > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know everything > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have to make > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road ahead. > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife doesnt > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit guides... > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha from > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus at a > time... complex situation huh? > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just builds > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i liked what > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard work", well > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im sure to > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list. > > So what would u suggest from here? > > > > > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for mastering > > Hypnotism. > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa everyday > > is essential. > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the basic > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/- and > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One safatic > > (crystal mala), > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made from > > copper or parad) > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna. > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount. > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take > > special diksha called > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if > > possible. This is second stage. > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and your > > hardwork combined with devotion > > and faith. > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im studying > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read > the > > book > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it even > > more > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this method > > also. > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi > gurudham > > in > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions. > > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? > > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a > > diksha, > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) > > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it? > > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have > > succesfully > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, as > > im a > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly appreciated. > > Thanks. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 jay gurudev. nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam Dear gurubhais, I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am also studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed many times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of tratak. I will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind. thanx JAI GURUDEV. scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in > wrote: Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi Gurudham and i told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional working degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i wanna make use of this time). He did say something about getting a mantra with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked very nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl wrote here in previous posts, he was very nice) That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by gurudev from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a lengthy method... or mantra. In words of gurudev "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh hai ki wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop se seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha ja sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah subah sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen par baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai, jis tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne samney ek feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek chota sa lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us lal bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey, shuro mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray is abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat nahin hai, Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki kriya kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 minute ka abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai. Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i was in 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow now im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other hypnotism methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will see many expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis, kundalini hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to follow, only to help who comes for own help. Still im very interested in learning and researching "this" method. This method includes great self discipline(means self improvement) and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in quicky hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and maybe giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some success. I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine science of mind. Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru mantra. Well the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at the rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day of mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is gonna take atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem taking guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the thing is i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to vast world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my scope. One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab saadhey sab jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for now, is that possible? I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace from spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but thats the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know everything about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have to make many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road ahead. I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife doesnt like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit guides... and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha from Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus at a time... complex situation huh? Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just builds with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i liked what Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard work", well hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im sure to succeed. But i need to narrow the task list. So what would u suggest from here? , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay wrote: > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for mastering > Hypnotism. > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa everyday > is essential. > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the basic > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/- and > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One safatic > (crystal mala), > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made from > copper or parad) > & one book of daily Guru sadhna. > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount. > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take > special diksha called > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if > possible. This is second stage. > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and your > hardwork combined with devotion > and faith. > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im studying > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read the > book > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it even > more > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this method > also. > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi gurudham > in > > Pitampura... i have few important questions. > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a > diksha, > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it? > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have > succesfully > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, as > im a > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly appreciated. > Thanks. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism" Published by Pustak Mahal. In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by Gurudham. Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali. Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan Dutt Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur. You can practice as per the methods given there and need to take precautions as mentioned there. An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006 issue giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out whether this process is going in right direction or wrong direction using palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason about the various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also given in that artilces. Read it also. Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram , neeraj roshan <neeraj_sewta2004 wrote: > > jay gurudev. > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam > > > Dear gurubhais, > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am also studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed many times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of tratak. I will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind. > > thanx > > JAI GURUDEV. > > > > > > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in wrote: > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi Gurudham and i > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional working > degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i wanna > make use of this time). He did say something about getting a mantra > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked very > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl wrote > here in previous posts, he was very nice) > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by gurudev > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a > lengthy method... or mantra. > > In words of gurudev > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh hai ki > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop se > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha ja > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah subah > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen par > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai, jis > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne samney ek > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek chota sa > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us lal > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey, shuro > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray is > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat nahin hai, > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki kriya > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 minute ka > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai. > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i was in > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow now > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other hypnotism > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will see many > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis, kundalini > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to follow, > only to help who comes for own help. > > Still im very interested in learning and researching "this" method. > This method includes great self discipline(means self improvement) > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in quicky > hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and maybe > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some success. > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine science > of mind. > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru mantra. Well > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at the > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day of > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is gonna take > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem taking > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the thing is > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to vast > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my scope. > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab saadhey sab > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for now, > is that possible? > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace from > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but thats > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know everything > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have to make > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road ahead. > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife doesnt > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit guides... > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha from > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus at a > time... complex situation huh? > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just builds > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i liked what > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard work", well > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im sure to > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list. > > So what would u suggest from here? > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for mastering > > Hypnotism. > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa everyday > > is essential. > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the basic > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/- and > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One safatic > > (crystal mala), > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made from > > copper or parad) > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna. > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount. > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take > > special diksha called > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if > > possible. This is second stage. > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and your > > hardwork combined with devotion > > and faith. > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im studying > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read > the > > book > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it even > > more > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this method > > also. > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi > gurudham > > in > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions. > > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? > > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a > > diksha, > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) > > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it? > > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have > > succesfully > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, as > > im a > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly appreciated. > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out a lil time and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form of guru seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now... and after reading them i feel need of an introspection session. So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my head... (like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling of faith n belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put forward what i have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but lemme arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely. Thanks again. , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay wrote: > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism" > Published by Pustak Mahal. > In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by Gurudham. > > Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali. > > Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan Dutt > Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur. > > You can practice as per the methods given there and need to take > precautions as mentioned there. > > An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006 issue > giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out whether this > process is going in right direction or wrong direction using > palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason about the > various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also given in that > artilces. Read it also. > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neeraj roshan > <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote: > > > > jay gurudev. > > > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam > > > > > > Dear gurubhais, > > > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am also > studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed many > times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of tratak. I > will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am > interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind. > > > > thanx > > > > JAI GURUDEV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi > Gurudham and i > > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional working > > degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i > wanna > > make use of this time). He did say something about getting a > mantra > > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked > very > > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl wrote > > here in previous posts, he was very nice) > > > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by gurudev > > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a > > lengthy method... or mantra. > > > > In words of gurudev > > > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh hai > ki > > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop se > > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha ja > > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah subah > > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen par > > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai, jis > > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne samney > ek > > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek chota > sa > > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us > lal > > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey, > shuro > > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray is > > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat nahin > hai, > > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki > kriya > > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 minute > ka > > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai. > > > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i was > in > > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow > now > > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other hypnotism > > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will see > many > > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life > > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis, > kundalini > > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to follow, > > only to help who comes for own help. > > > > Still im very interested in learning and researching "this" > method. > > This method includes great self discipline(means self improvement) > > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in quicky > > hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and > maybe > > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some > success. > > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine > science > > of mind. > > > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru mantra. > Well > > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at the > > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day of > > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is gonna > take > > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem taking > > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the thing > is > > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in > > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to > vast > > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my > scope. > > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab saadhey > sab > > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for > now, > > is that possible? > > > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace > from > > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but > thats > > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know > everything > > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have to > make > > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road > ahead. > > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife doesnt > > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit > guides... > > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha > from > > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus at a > > time... complex situation huh? > > > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught > > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just > builds > > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i liked > what > > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard work", > well > > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im sure > to > > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list. > > > > So what would u suggest from here? > > > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for > mastering > > > Hypnotism. > > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. > > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa > everyday > > > is essential. > > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the > basic > > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/- > and > > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One > safatic > > > (crystal mala), > > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made > from > > > copper or parad) > > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna. > > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). > > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount. > > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which > > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. > > > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take > > > special diksha called > > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if > > > possible. This is second stage. > > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and > your > > > hardwork combined with devotion > > > and faith. > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im > studying > > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have read > > the > > > book > > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it > even > > > more > > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this > method > > > also. > > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi > > gurudham > > > in > > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions. > > > > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? > > > > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a > > > diksha, > > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) > > > > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it? > > > > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have > > > succesfully > > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, > as > > > im a > > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly > appreciated. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 , "scorpion_1112in" <scorpion_1112in wrote: could u plz post that Tratak artical published in dec 2006 issue on net plz. I donot have MTYV megazine available. Thanks rp > > First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out a lil time > and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form of guru > seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now... and after > reading them i feel need of an introspection session. > > So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my head... > (like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling of faith n > belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put forward what i > have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but lemme > arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely. > > Thanks again. > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > wrote: > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism" > > Published by Pustak Mahal. > > In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by Gurudham. > > > > Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali. > > > > Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan Dutt > > Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur. > > > > You can practice as per the methods given there and need to take > > precautions as mentioned there. > > > > An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006 issue > > giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out whether > this > > process is going in right direction or wrong direction using > > palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason about the > > various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also given in > that > > artilces. Read it also. > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neeraj roshan > > <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote: > > > > > > jay gurudev. > > > > > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam > > > > > > > > > Dear gurubhais, > > > > > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am also > > studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed many > > times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of tratak. I > > will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am > > interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind. > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > JAI GURUDEV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi > > Gurudham and i > > > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional > working > > > degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i > > wanna > > > make use of this time). He did say something about getting a > > mantra > > > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked > > very > > > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl wrote > > > here in previous posts, he was very nice) > > > > > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by > gurudev > > > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a > > > lengthy method... or mantra. > > > > > > In words of gurudev > > > > > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh hai > > ki > > > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop > se > > > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha ja > > > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah subah > > > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen par > > > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai, > jis > > > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne samney > > ek > > > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek chota > > sa > > > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us > > lal > > > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey, > > shuro > > > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray > is > > > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat nahin > > hai, > > > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki > > kriya > > > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 minute > > ka > > > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai. > > > > > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i was > > in > > > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow > > now > > > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other hypnotism > > > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will see > > many > > > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life > > > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis, > > kundalini > > > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to follow, > > > only to help who comes for own help. > > > > > > Still im very interested in learning and researching "this" > > method. > > > This method includes great self discipline(means self > improvement) > > > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in quicky > > > hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and > > maybe > > > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some > > success. > > > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine > > science > > > of mind. > > > > > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru mantra. > > Well > > > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at > the > > > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day > of > > > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is gonna > > take > > > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem > taking > > > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the thing > > is > > > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in > > > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to > > vast > > > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my > > scope. > > > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab saadhey > > sab > > > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for > > now, > > > is that possible? > > > > > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace > > from > > > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but > > thats > > > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know > > everything > > > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have to > > make > > > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road > > ahead. > > > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife doesnt > > > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit > > guides... > > > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha > > from > > > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus at > a > > > time... complex situation huh? > > > > > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught > > > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just > > builds > > > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i liked > > what > > > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard work", > > well > > > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im sure > > to > > > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list. > > > > > > So what would u suggest from here? > > > > > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for > > mastering > > > > Hypnotism. > > > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. > > > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa > > everyday > > > > is essential. > > > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the > > basic > > > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. 540/- > > and > > > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One > > safatic > > > > (crystal mala), > > > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( made > > from > > > > copper or parad) > > > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna. > > > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). > > > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount. > > > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter which > > > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. > > > > > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take > > > > special diksha called > > > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day if > > > > possible. This is second stage. > > > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you and > > your > > > > hardwork combined with devotion > > > > and faith. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im > > studying > > > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have > read > > > the > > > > book > > > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it > > even > > > > more > > > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this > > method > > > > also. > > > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi > > > gurudham > > > > in > > > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions. > > > > > > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? > > > > > > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" a > > > > diksha, > > > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) > > > > > > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it? > > > > > > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have > > > > succesfully > > > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for me, > > as > > > > im a > > > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Say, recently i have been busy due to some problem in life... now its over so i have had some time to think more... and thinking thinking all of a sudden i realise one thing, someone here said "at some point u'll need to take Diksha", and thinking about that point i think that point is the point of "Agni Tratak"? I mean i have already tried the "Deepak Tratak" and "Agni Tratak" comes after it. (I'll give u details of all what i have done and what i will do,later) For now, i just wanna know... "Do i need to become an Akhand Bhramchari?" Because thats what i read about Agni Tratak. This step will mean totally changing my life, my wife(actually commited girlfriend about to be wife, im still virgin) out of scene? Uc, there are many things i need to think about before actually taking this route. And this one is a very serious issue at a critical phase of my life. And yes, i would like to repeat, my main intention of learning is to use this technique in a clinic (not so much in public for own business or money needs, to be used in public only if we r exploited without a cause, like indian put to jail coz hes not white... ). Hypnotism, all sorts of hypnotic technique have their root in India but sadly India is not even counted as an eligible country for this! Out of all the sadhnas and their relevant dikshas that i read on ur website, or that i have heard or read anywhere else also, it is Tratak that is most important to me... although there are many other luring ones like "kundalini jagran", kaal gyan, Mahamrityunjaya... and many more, but out of all the sadhnas, Tratak is the most important to me. This is Raj Yoga, topmost knowledge, knowledge of mind itself... mind can control all the energies. Thats why in the book "Aadhuniktam Hypnotism ke 100 swarnin sutra" it is said that after 3rd level of hypnotism, Any "Bhoot... Prait... Pisach... Yaksh... Gandharva... Kinnar... Apsara... Dev... Danav... Manav... Pashu... Pakshi... Jeev... Ajeev (even rocks or natural forces) can be hypnotised. In Tuirya awastha a man is owner of "Ashta Mahasidhi". And Dr Naryan Dutt Shrimali knew all 7 layers of hypnotism... thats like 7 auras of not just of the physical plane but also the metaphysical plane. (<<< Spiritual Hypnosis)GRAND PERSONALITY. I came here coz im intereste in "Indian" science. k sorry, not here for any stupid lecture, plz just answer my question, coz i feel even before i think of a confirming guru, i must first answer this question. Right now, im not sure of the answer myself. Thanks in advance. , "RICK" <rdrugist wrote: > > , "scorpion_1112in" > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > could u plz post that Tratak artical published in dec 2006 issue on > net plz. I donot have MTYV megazine available. > > Thanks > rp > > > > First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out a lil > time > > and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form of guru > > seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now... and after > > reading them i feel need of an introspection session. > > > > So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my head... > > (like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling of faith n > > belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put forward what > i > > have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but lemme > > arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely. > > > > Thanks again. > > > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism" > > > Published by Pustak Mahal. > > > In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by Gurudham. > > > > > > Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali. > > > > > > Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan Dutt > > > Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur. > > > > > > You can practice as per the methods given there and need to take > > > precautions as mentioned there. > > > > > > An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006 issue > > > giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out whether > > this > > > process is going in right direction or wrong direction using > > > palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason about > the > > > various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also given in > > that > > > artilces. Read it also. > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neeraj roshan > > > <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > jay gurudev. > > > > > > > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear gurubhais, > > > > > > > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am also > > > studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed many > > > times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of tratak. I > > > will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am > > > interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind. > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > JAI GURUDEV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi > > > Gurudham and i > > > > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional > > working > > > > degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i > > > wanna > > > > make use of this time). He did say something about getting a > > > mantra > > > > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he talked > > > very > > > > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl > wrote > > > > here in previous posts, he was very nice) > > > > > > > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by > > gurudev > > > > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such a > > > > lengthy method... or mantra. > > > > > > > > In words of gurudev > > > > > > > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh > hai > > > ki > > > > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical roop > > se > > > > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi seekha > ja > > > > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah > subah > > > > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen > par > > > > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin hai, > > jis > > > > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne > samney > > > ek > > > > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek > chota > > > sa > > > > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad us > > > lal > > > > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey, > > > shuro > > > > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray dheeray > > is > > > > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat > nahin > > > hai, > > > > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney ki > > > kriya > > > > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 > minute > > > ka > > > > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai. > > > > > > > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i > was > > > in > > > > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. Anyhow > > > now > > > > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other > hypnotism > > > > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will > see > > > many > > > > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past life > > > > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis, > > > kundalini > > > > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to > follow, > > > > only to help who comes for own help. > > > > > > > > Still im very interested in learning and researching "this" > > > method. > > > > This method includes great self discipline(means self > > improvement) > > > > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in > quicky > > > > hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) and > > > maybe > > > > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some > > > success. > > > > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine > > > science > > > > of mind. > > > > > > > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru > mantra. > > > Well > > > > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even at > > the > > > > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a day > > of > > > > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is > gonna > > > take > > > > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem > > taking > > > > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the > thing > > > is > > > > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in > > > > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors to > > > vast > > > > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my > > > scope. > > > > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab > saadhey > > > sab > > > > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast for > > > now, > > > > is that possible? > > > > > > > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and grace > > > from > > > > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe but > > > thats > > > > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know > > > everything > > > > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have > to > > > make > > > > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road > > > ahead. > > > > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife > doesnt > > > > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit > > > guides... > > > > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one diksha > > > from > > > > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus > at > > a > > > > time... complex situation huh? > > > > > > > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught > > > > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just > > > builds > > > > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i > liked > > > what > > > > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard > work", > > > well > > > > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im > sure > > > to > > > > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list. > > > > > > > > So what would u suggest from here? > > > > > > > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for > > > mastering > > > > > Hypnotism. > > > > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. > > > > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa > > > everyday > > > > > is essential. > > > > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with the > > > basic > > > > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. > 540/- > > > and > > > > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One > > > safatic > > > > > (crystal mala), > > > > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra( > made > > > from > > > > > copper or parad) > > > > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna. > > > > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). > > > > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount. > > > > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter > which > > > > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. > > > > > > > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to take > > > > > special diksha called > > > > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next day > if > > > > > possible. This is second stage. > > > > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you > and > > > your > > > > > hardwork combined with devotion > > > > > and faith. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im > > > studying > > > > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have > > read > > > > the > > > > > book > > > > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find it > > > even > > > > > more > > > > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this > > > method > > > > > also. > > > > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi > > > > gurudham > > > > > in > > > > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? > > > > > > > > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im not "buying" > a > > > > > diksha, > > > > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) > > > > > > > > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have > > > > > succesfully > > > > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for > me, > > > as > > > > > im a > > > > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly > > > appreciated. > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram You may choose the field of your choice, i.e. Sammohan Vigyan and proceed in the way using all methods available with you. We would suggest you to meet Srivastavji if you want lengthy discussion. They would be busy nowadays because of sadhna shivirs in coming weeks. You may call up on telephone to find out when he will be available at Gurudham and free to discuss at length. You may have to call up many times or if you are lucky you will get the opportunity early. You have already discussed with Shastriji, but shastriji very rarely get involved in lengthy discussion, he simply suggests what should be done in particular situation/ problem. On the other hand Srivastavji may discuss with you in detail if he finds that your interest is not superficial or not lacking firm resolve. As you still have doubts after consulting Shastriji , you may try your luck with Srivastavji at Gurudham Delhi. You should make every effort to get the answers you want. Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram , "scorpion_1112in" <scorpion_1112in wrote: > > > Say, recently i have been busy due to some problem in life... now its > over so i have had some time to think more... and thinking thinking > all of a sudden i realise one thing, someone here said "at some point > u'll need to take Diksha", and thinking about that point i think that > point is the point of "Agni Tratak"? I mean i have already tried > the "Deepak Tratak" and "Agni Tratak" comes after it. > > (I'll give u details of all what i have done and what i will do,later) > > For now, i just wanna know... "Do i need to become an Akhand > Bhramchari?" Because thats what i read about Agni Tratak. This step > will mean totally changing my life, my wife(actually commited > girlfriend about to be wife, im still virgin) out of scene? > > Uc, there are many things i need to think about before actually > taking this route. And this one is a very serious issue at a critical > phase of my life. > > And yes, i would like to repeat, my main intention of learning is to > use this technique in a clinic (not so much in public for own > business or money needs, to be used in public only if we r exploited > without a cause, like indian put to jail coz hes not white... ). > Hypnotism, all sorts of hypnotic technique have their root in India > but sadly India is not even counted as an eligible country for this! > > Out of all the sadhnas and their relevant dikshas that i read on ur > website, or that i have heard or read anywhere else also, it is > Tratak that is most important to me... although there are many other > luring ones like "kundalini jagran", kaal gyan, Mahamrityunjaya... > and many more, but out of all the sadhnas, Tratak is the most > important to me. This is Raj Yoga, topmost knowledge, knowledge of > mind itself... mind can control all the energies. Thats why in the > book "Aadhuniktam Hypnotism ke 100 swarnin sutra" it is said that > after 3rd level of hypnotism, > > Any "Bhoot... Prait... Pisach... Yaksh... Gandharva... Kinnar... > Apsara... Dev... Danav... Manav... Pashu... Pakshi... Jeev... Ajeev > (even rocks or natural forces) can be hypnotised. In Tuirya awastha a > man is owner of "Ashta Mahasidhi". And Dr Naryan Dutt Shrimali knew > all 7 layers of hypnotism... thats like 7 auras of not just of the > physical plane but also the metaphysical plane. (<<< Spiritual > Hypnosis)GRAND PERSONALITY. > > I came here coz im intereste in "Indian" science. k sorry, not here > for any stupid lecture, plz just answer my question, coz i feel even > before i think of a confirming guru, i must first answer this > question. Right now, im not sure of the answer myself. Thanks in > advance. > > , "RICK" <rdrugist@> wrote: > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > could u plz post that Tratak artical published in dec 2006 issue on > > net plz. I donot have MTYV megazine available. > > > > Thanks > > rp > > > > > > First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out a lil > > time > > > and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form of guru > > > seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now... and > after > > > reading them i feel need of an introspection session. > > > > > > So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my > head... > > > (like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling of faith > n > > > belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put forward > what > > i > > > have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but lemme > > > arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely. > > > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism" > > > > Published by Pustak Mahal. > > > > In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by > Gurudham. > > > > > > > > Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali. > > > > > > > > Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan Dutt > > > > Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur. > > > > > > > > You can practice as per the methods given there and need to > take > > > > precautions as mentioned there. > > > > > > > > An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006 issue > > > > giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out whether > > > this > > > > process is going in right direction or wrong direction using > > > > palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason about > > the > > > > various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also given in > > > that > > > > artilces. Read it also. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neeraj roshan > > > > <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > jay gurudev. > > > > > > > > > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear gurubhais, > > > > > > > > > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am > also > > > > studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed > many > > > > times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of tratak. > I > > > > will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am > > > > interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind. > > > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > > JAI GURUDEV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at Delhi > > > > Gurudham and i > > > > > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional > > > working > > > > > degree from an American institute(which is half pending, so i > > > > wanna > > > > > make use of this time). He did say something about getting a > > > > mantra > > > > > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he > talked > > > > very > > > > > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other ppl > > wrote > > > > > here in previous posts, he was very nice) > > > > > > > > > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by > > > gurudev > > > > > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of such > a > > > > > lengthy method... or mantra. > > > > > > > > > > In words of gurudev > > > > > > > > > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to yeh > > hai > > > > ki > > > > > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical > roop > > > se > > > > > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi > seekha > > ja > > > > > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki vah > > subah > > > > > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein zameen > > par > > > > > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin > hai, > > > jis > > > > > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne > > samney > > > > ek > > > > > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney ek > > chota > > > > sa > > > > > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske bad > us > > > > lal > > > > > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak karey, > > > > shuro > > > > > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray > dheeray > > > is > > > > > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat > > nahin > > > > hai, > > > > > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte rehney > ki > > > > kriya > > > > > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 > > minute > > > > ka > > > > > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai. > > > > > > > > > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism since i > > was > > > > in > > > > > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. > Anyhow > > > > now > > > > > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other > > hypnotism > > > > > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u will > > see > > > > many > > > > > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past > life > > > > > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis, > > > > kundalini > > > > > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to > > follow, > > > > > only to help who comes for own help. > > > > > > > > > > Still im very interested in learning and researching "this" > > > > method. > > > > > This method includes great self discipline(means self > > > improvement) > > > > > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in > > quicky > > > > > hypnotising a willing client to third stage (somnabulistic) > and > > > > maybe > > > > > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with some > > > > success. > > > > > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a devine > > > > science > > > > > of mind. > > > > > > > > > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru > > mantra. > > > > Well > > > > > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? Even > at > > > the > > > > > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) a > day > > > of > > > > > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is > > gonna > > > > take > > > > > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any problem > > > taking > > > > > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but the > > thing > > > > is > > > > > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested in > > > > > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my doors > to > > > > vast > > > > > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine my > > > > scope. > > > > > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab > > saadhey > > > > sab > > > > > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast > for > > > > now, > > > > > is that possible? > > > > > > > > > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and > grace > > > > from > > > > > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions maybe > but > > > > thats > > > > > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know > > > > everything > > > > > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will have > > to > > > > make > > > > > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the road > > > > ahead. > > > > > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife > > doesnt > > > > > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit > > > > guides... > > > > > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one > diksha > > > > from > > > > > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different gurus > > at > > > a > > > > > time... complex situation huh? > > > > > > > > > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught > > > > > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it just > > > > builds > > > > > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i > > liked > > > > what > > > > > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard > > work", > > > > well > > > > > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then im > > sure > > > > to > > > > > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list. > > > > > > > > > > So what would u suggest from here? > > > > > > > > > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for > > > > mastering > > > > > > Hypnotism. > > > > > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. > > > > > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra japa > > > > everyday > > > > > > is essential. > > > > > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with > the > > > > basic > > > > > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require Rs. > > 540/- > > > > and > > > > > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, One > > > > safatic > > > > > > (crystal mala), > > > > > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra ( > > made > > > > from > > > > > > copper or parad) > > > > > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna. > > > > > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). > > > > > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount. > > > > > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter > > which > > > > > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. > > > > > > > > > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to > take > > > > > > special diksha called > > > > > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next > day > > if > > > > > > possible. This is second stage. > > > > > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is you > > and > > > > your > > > > > > hardwork combined with devotion > > > > > > and faith. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > > > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so im > > > > studying > > > > > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I have > > > read > > > > > the > > > > > > book > > > > > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i find > it > > > > even > > > > > > more > > > > > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning this > > > > method > > > > > > also. > > > > > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting delhi > > > > > gurudham > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im > not "buying" > > a > > > > > > diksha, > > > > > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who have > > > > > > succesfully > > > > > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious for > > me, > > > > as > > > > > > im a > > > > > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Namaskar K u did not exactly answered my question but atleast a part of it... Fortunately, i live only 1hr 30 min away from Delhi Gurudham. Anyhow, my main questions were: 1) Do i need to become an Akhand Bhramchari. (coz although im not married and still a virgin but that will mean breaking up with a woman who sees me as father of her two daughters) Or is there some middle path... like i may have to be satisfied till certain level of Sammohan bcoz of grihast... or there may just be more methods than those written in the books, books come from guru not vice versa right. 2) Is it k to take diksha from ur gurudev after i have got mantras from Bhramrish Kumar Swami Ji? 3) Can i safely/respectfuly discard the old mantras if i want to concentrate on guru diksha mantra and tratak? Basically i have these questions, so i ma try n catch Shashtri Ji again (last time i did not ask for any details, although he was ready to answer all question but that time it was just a casual query from me, i did not ask these question) Or better, if possible, Guruji himself, i would ask him for best advice ahead of this... if he says breaking up is the way, i "may" do it. Coz on this planet in my last life, i have lots of responsibilities. This much belief i definately have in him that he will give "best" advice. I'll simply absorb it. For now i just want to ask u this, when and where can i meet Shashtriji or Guruji(dont worry, i can say my things in a very precise manner, not like this convo here, hardly 3-4 minutes talk). I think they come to Delhi Gurudham at the end of the month around 27- 29 (coz in Jan, June and Dec last year those were the dates i heard when i went for fresh copies of books n all). Only this much for now. (oh yes, plz confirm the delhi gurudham phone no., i have this card in my wallet, (011-27352248 , 011-27356700), no.s havent changed ight?) , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay wrote: > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > You may choose the field of your choice, i.e. Sammohan Vigyan and > proceed in the way using all methods available with you. We would > suggest you to meet Srivastavji if you want lengthy discussion. They > would be busy nowadays because of sadhna shivirs in coming weeks. > You may call up on telephone to find out when he will be available > at Gurudham and free to discuss at length. You may have to call up > many times or if you are lucky you will get the opportunity early. > You have already discussed with Shastriji, but shastriji very rarely > get involved in lengthy discussion, he simply suggests what should > be done in particular situation/ problem. > On the other hand Srivastavji may discuss with you in detail if he > finds that your interest is not superficial or not lacking firm > resolve. > As you still have doubts after consulting Shastriji , you may try > your luck with Srivastavji at Gurudham Delhi. You should make every > effort to get the answers you want. > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > Say, recently i have been busy due to some problem in life... now > its > > over so i have had some time to think more... and thinking > thinking > > all of a sudden i realise one thing, someone here said "at some > point > > u'll need to take Diksha", and thinking about that point i think > that > > point is the point of "Agni Tratak"? I mean i have already tried > > the "Deepak Tratak" and "Agni Tratak" comes after it. > > > > (I'll give u details of all what i have done and what i will > do,later) > > > > For now, i just wanna know... "Do i need to become an Akhand > > Bhramchari?" Because thats what i read about Agni Tratak. This > step > > will mean totally changing my life, my wife(actually commited > > girlfriend about to be wife, im still virgin) out of scene? > > > > Uc, there are many things i need to think about before actually > > taking this route. And this one is a very serious issue at a > critical > > phase of my life. > > > > And yes, i would like to repeat, my main intention of learning is > to > > use this technique in a clinic (not so much in public for own > > business or money needs, to be used in public only if we r > exploited > > without a cause, like indian put to jail coz hes not white... ). > > Hypnotism, all sorts of hypnotic technique have their root in > India > > but sadly India is not even counted as an eligible country for > this! > > > > Out of all the sadhnas and their relevant dikshas that i read on > ur > > website, or that i have heard or read anywhere else also, it is > > Tratak that is most important to me... although there are many > other > > luring ones like "kundalini jagran", kaal gyan, Mahamrityunjaya... > > and many more, but out of all the sadhnas, Tratak is the most > > important to me. This is Raj Yoga, topmost knowledge, knowledge of > > mind itself... mind can control all the energies. Thats why in the > > book "Aadhuniktam Hypnotism ke 100 swarnin sutra" it is said that > > after 3rd level of hypnotism, > > > > Any "Bhoot... Prait... Pisach... Yaksh... Gandharva... Kinnar... > > Apsara... Dev... Danav... Manav... Pashu... Pakshi... Jeev... > Ajeev > > (even rocks or natural forces) can be hypnotised. In Tuirya > awastha a > > man is owner of "Ashta Mahasidhi". And Dr Naryan Dutt Shrimali > knew > > all 7 layers of hypnotism... thats like 7 auras of not just of the > > physical plane but also the metaphysical plane. (<<< Spiritual > > Hypnosis)GRAND PERSONALITY. > > > > I came here coz im intereste in "Indian" science. k sorry, not > here > > for any stupid lecture, plz just answer my question, coz i feel > even > > before i think of a confirming guru, i must first answer this > > question. Right now, im not sure of the answer myself. Thanks in > > advance. > > > > , "RICK" <rdrugist@> wrote: > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > could u plz post that Tratak artical published in dec 2006 issue > on > > > net plz. I donot have MTYV megazine available. > > > > > > Thanks > > > rp > > > > > > > > First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out a > lil > > > time > > > > and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form of > guru > > > > seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now... and > > after > > > > reading them i feel need of an introspection session. > > > > > > > > So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my > > head... > > > > (like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling of > faith > > n > > > > belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put forward > > what > > > i > > > > have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but lemme > > > > arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely. > > > > > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism" > > > > > Published by Pustak Mahal. > > > > > In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by > > Gurudham. > > > > > > > > > > Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali. > > > > > > > > > > Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan > Dutt > > > > > Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur. > > > > > > > > > > You can practice as per the methods given there and need to > > take > > > > > precautions as mentioned there. > > > > > > > > > > An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006 > issue > > > > > giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out > whether > > > > this > > > > > process is going in right direction or wrong direction using > > > > > palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason > about > > > the > > > > > various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also given > in > > > > that > > > > > artilces. Read it also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neeraj roshan > > > > > <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > jay gurudev. > > > > > > > > > > > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear gurubhais, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I am > > also > > > > > studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed > > many > > > > > times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of > tratak. > > I > > > > > will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am > > > > > interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > > > > JAI GURUDEV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at > Delhi > > > > > Gurudham and i > > > > > > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my proffesional > > > > working > > > > > > degree from an American institute(which is half pending, > so i > > > > > wanna > > > > > > make use of this time). He did say something about getting > a > > > > > mantra > > > > > > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he > > talked > > > > > very > > > > > > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other > ppl > > > wrote > > > > > > here in previous posts, he was very nice) > > > > > > > > > > > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan by > > > > gurudev > > > > > > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of > such > > a > > > > > > lengthy method... or mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > In words of gurudev > > > > > > > > > > > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to > yeh > > > hai > > > > > ki > > > > > > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur practical > > roop > > > > se > > > > > > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi > > seekha > > > ja > > > > > > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki > vah > > > subah > > > > > > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein > zameen > > > par > > > > > > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin > > hai, > > > > jis > > > > > > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne > > > samney > > > > > ek > > > > > > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney > ek > > > chota > > > > > sa > > > > > > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske > bad > > us > > > > > lal > > > > > > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak > karey, > > > > > shuro > > > > > > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray > > dheeray > > > > is > > > > > > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki zaroorat > > > nahin > > > > > hai, > > > > > > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte > rehney > > ki > > > > > kriya > > > > > > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda 60 > > > minute > > > > > ka > > > > > > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism > since i > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. > > Anyhow > > > > > now > > > > > > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other > > > hypnotism > > > > > > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u > will > > > see > > > > > many > > > > > > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past > > life > > > > > > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual hypnosis, > > > > > kundalini > > > > > > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to > > > follow, > > > > > > only to help who comes for own help. > > > > > > > > > > > > Still im very interested in learning and > researching "this" > > > > > method. > > > > > > This method includes great self discipline(means self > > > > improvement) > > > > > > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful in > > > quicky > > > > > > hypnotising a willing client to third stage > (somnabulistic) > > and > > > > > maybe > > > > > > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with > some > > > > > success. > > > > > > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a > devine > > > > > science > > > > > > of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru > > > mantra. > > > > > Well > > > > > > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? > Even > > at > > > > the > > > > > > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) > a > > day > > > > of > > > > > > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this is > > > gonna > > > > > take > > > > > > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any > problem > > > > taking > > > > > > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but > the > > > thing > > > > > is > > > > > > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only interested > in > > > > > > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my > doors > > to > > > > > vast > > > > > > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna confine > my > > > > > scope. > > > > > > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab > > > saadhey > > > > > sab > > > > > > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, atleast > > for > > > > > now, > > > > > > is that possible? > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and > > grace > > > > > from > > > > > > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions > maybe > > but > > > > > thats > > > > > > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know > > > > > everything > > > > > > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will > have > > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the > road > > > > > ahead. > > > > > > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my wife > > > doesnt > > > > > > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from Spirit > > > > > guides... > > > > > > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one > > diksha > > > > > from > > > > > > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different > gurus > > > at > > > > a > > > > > > time... complex situation huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught > > > > > > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it > just > > > > > builds > > > > > > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but i > > > liked > > > > > what > > > > > > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard > > > work", > > > > > well > > > > > > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then > im > > > sure > > > > > to > > > > > > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list. > > > > > > > > > > > > So what would u suggest from here? > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sharva_ajay" > <sharva_ajay@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra for > > > > > mastering > > > > > > > Hypnotism. > > > > > > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. > > > > > > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra > japa > > > > > everyday > > > > > > > is essential. > > > > > > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar with > > the > > > > > basic > > > > > > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require > Rs. > > > 540/- > > > > > and > > > > > > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, > One > > > > > safatic > > > > > > > (crystal mala), > > > > > > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra > ( > > > made > > > > > from > > > > > > > copper or parad) > > > > > > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna. > > > > > > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). > > > > > > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount. > > > > > > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no matter > > > which > > > > > > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required to > > take > > > > > > > special diksha called > > > > > > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or next > > day > > > if > > > > > > > possible. This is second stage. > > > > > > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is > you > > > and > > > > > your > > > > > > > hardwork combined with devotion > > > > > > > and faith. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > > > > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so > im > > > > > studying > > > > > > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I > have > > > > read > > > > > > the > > > > > > > book > > > > > > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i > find > > it > > > > > even > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning > this > > > > > method > > > > > > > also. > > > > > > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting > delhi > > > > > > gurudham > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im > > not "buying" > > > a > > > > > > > diksha, > > > > > > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who > have > > > > > > > succesfully > > > > > > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious > for > > > me, > > > > > as > > > > > > > im a > > > > > > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly > > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram You can discuss with Shastriji or Srivastavji. Being in Delhi you should take atleast this much benefit. Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram , "scorpion_1112in" <scorpion_1112in wrote: > > Namaskar > > K u did not exactly answered my question but atleast a part of it... > Fortunately, i live only 1hr 30 min away from Delhi Gurudham. > > Anyhow, my main questions were: > > 1) Do i need to become an Akhand Bhramchari. (coz although im not > married and still a virgin but that will mean breaking up with a > woman who sees me as father of her two daughters) > Or is there some middle path... like i may have to be satisfied till > certain level of Sammohan bcoz of grihast... or there may just be > more methods than those written in the books, books come from guru > not vice versa right. > > 2) Is it k to take diksha from ur gurudev after i have got mantras > from Bhramrish Kumar Swami Ji? > > 3) Can i safely/respectfuly discard the old mantras if i want to > concentrate on guru diksha mantra and tratak? > > > Basically i have these questions, so i ma try n catch Shashtri Ji > again (last time i did not ask for any details, although he was ready > to answer all question but that time it was just a casual query from > me, i did not ask these question) > > Or better, if possible, Guruji himself, i would ask him for best > advice ahead of this... if he says breaking up is the way, i "may" do > it. Coz on this planet in my last life, i have lots of > responsibilities. This much belief i definately have in him that he > will give "best" advice. I'll simply absorb it. > > For now i just want to ask u this, when and where can i meet > Shashtriji or Guruji(dont worry, i can say my things in a very > precise manner, not like this convo here, hardly 3-4 minutes talk). I > think they come to Delhi Gurudham at the end of the month around 27- > 29 (coz in Jan, June and Dec last year those were the dates i heard > when i went for fresh copies of books n all). > > Only this much for now. (oh yes, plz confirm the delhi gurudham phone > no., i have this card in my wallet, (011-27352248 , 011-27356700), > no.s havent changed ight?) > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > You may choose the field of your choice, i.e. Sammohan Vigyan and > > proceed in the way using all methods available with you. We would > > suggest you to meet Srivastavji if you want lengthy discussion. > They > > would be busy nowadays because of sadhna shivirs in coming weeks. > > You may call up on telephone to find out when he will be available > > at Gurudham and free to discuss at length. You may have to call up > > many times or if you are lucky you will get the opportunity early. > > You have already discussed with Shastriji, but shastriji very > rarely > > get involved in lengthy discussion, he simply suggests what should > > be done in particular situation/ problem. > > On the other hand Srivastavji may discuss with you in detail if he > > finds that your interest is not superficial or not lacking firm > > resolve. > > As you still have doubts after consulting Shastriji , you may try > > your luck with Srivastavji at Gurudham Delhi. You should make every > > effort to get the answers you want. > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Say, recently i have been busy due to some problem in life... now > > its > > > over so i have had some time to think more... and thinking > > thinking > > > all of a sudden i realise one thing, someone here said "at some > > point > > > u'll need to take Diksha", and thinking about that point i think > > that > > > point is the point of "Agni Tratak"? I mean i have already tried > > > the "Deepak Tratak" and "Agni Tratak" comes after it. > > > > > > (I'll give u details of all what i have done and what i will > > do,later) > > > > > > For now, i just wanna know... "Do i need to become an Akhand > > > Bhramchari?" Because thats what i read about Agni Tratak. This > > step > > > will mean totally changing my life, my wife(actually commited > > > girlfriend about to be wife, im still virgin) out of scene? > > > > > > Uc, there are many things i need to think about before actually > > > taking this route. And this one is a very serious issue at a > > critical > > > phase of my life. > > > > > > And yes, i would like to repeat, my main intention of learning is > > to > > > use this technique in a clinic (not so much in public for own > > > business or money needs, to be used in public only if we r > > exploited > > > without a cause, like indian put to jail coz hes not white... ). > > > Hypnotism, all sorts of hypnotic technique have their root in > > India > > > but sadly India is not even counted as an eligible country for > > this! > > > > > > Out of all the sadhnas and their relevant dikshas that i read on > > ur > > > website, or that i have heard or read anywhere else also, it is > > > Tratak that is most important to me... although there are many > > other > > > luring ones like "kundalini jagran", kaal gyan, > Mahamrityunjaya... > > > and many more, but out of all the sadhnas, Tratak is the most > > > important to me. This is Raj Yoga, topmost knowledge, knowledge > of > > > mind itself... mind can control all the energies. Thats why in > the > > > book "Aadhuniktam Hypnotism ke 100 swarnin sutra" it is said that > > > after 3rd level of hypnotism, > > > > > > Any "Bhoot... Prait... Pisach... Yaksh... Gandharva... Kinnar... > > > Apsara... Dev... Danav... Manav... Pashu... Pakshi... Jeev... > > Ajeev > > > (even rocks or natural forces) can be hypnotised. In Tuirya > > awastha a > > > man is owner of "Ashta Mahasidhi". And Dr Naryan Dutt Shrimali > > knew > > > all 7 layers of hypnotism... thats like 7 auras of not just of > the > > > physical plane but also the metaphysical plane. (<<< Spiritual > > > Hypnosis)GRAND PERSONALITY. > > > > > > I came here coz im intereste in "Indian" science. k sorry, not > > here > > > for any stupid lecture, plz just answer my question, coz i feel > > even > > > before i think of a confirming guru, i must first answer this > > > question. Right now, im not sure of the answer myself. Thanks in > > > advance. > > > > > > , "RICK" <rdrugist@> wrote: > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > could u plz post that Tratak artical published in dec 2006 > issue > > on > > > > net plz. I donot have MTYV megazine available. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > rp > > > > > > > > > > First of all i would like to thank all of u for taking out a > > lil > > > > time > > > > > and actually addressing my issue, i feel this also a form of > > guru > > > > > seva. I have read ur posts also quite a few times now... and > > > after > > > > > reading them i feel need of an introspection session. > > > > > > > > > > So plz gimme sometime, i have to clarify few doubts in my > > > head... > > > > > (like doubt my own doubt, go deeper than logic n feeling of > > faith > > > n > > > > > belief, like/dislike... )and then i'll arrange and put > forward > > > what > > > > i > > > > > have to say. I feel i have quite a few things to say but > lemme > > > > > arrange my mind first so that i put it out very precisely. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > > , "sharva_ajay" <sharva_ajay@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Method of traatak is given book " Parctical hypnotism" > > > > > > Published by Pustak Mahal. > > > > > > In Book " Hypnotism - 100 Swaranim Sutra" Published by > > > Gurudham. > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(for both books)-Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cassette or CD- " Hypnotism Rahasya " by Gurudev Narayan > > Dutt > > > > > > Shrimali. Available with Gurudham Delhi & Jodhpur. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can practice as per the methods given there and need to > > > take > > > > > > precautions as mentioned there. > > > > > > > > > > > > An artilces has been published in the MTYV December 2006 > > issue > > > > > > giving details about how to do traatak, how to find out > > whether > > > > > this > > > > > > process is going in right direction or wrong direction > using > > > > > > palmistry. Scientific(Anatomical-realted to brain) reason > > about > > > > the > > > > > > various changes experienced by traatak sadhak are also > given > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > artilces. Read it also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neeraj roshan > > > > > > <neeraj_sewta2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jay gurudev. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nikhilam nikhilam nikhilam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear gurubhais, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also following the same way I mean to say that I > am > > > also > > > > > > studying for the hypnotism, and sammohan but i truly failed > > > many > > > > > > times , will u pls tell me about the complete method of > > tratak. > > > I > > > > > > will be very very greatful for u , hope don't mind , I am > > > > > > interupting to your discussion but pls don't mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JAI GURUDEV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > > Actually in June this year, i met Shashtri at > > Delhi > > > > > > Gurudham and i > > > > > > > told him i'll take this Diksha after i get my > proffesional > > > > > working > > > > > > > degree from an American institute(which is half pending, > > so i > > > > > > wanna > > > > > > > make use of this time). He did say something about > getting > > a > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > with Diksha... but i didnt ask for details. (And yes, he > > > talked > > > > > > very > > > > > > > nicely with lots of patience, not like what a few other > > ppl > > > > wrote > > > > > > > here in previous posts, he was very nice) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That day i bought a CD of "Hypnotism Rahasya" Pravachan > by > > > > > gurudev > > > > > > > from gurudham, in that Pravachan there was no mention of > > such > > > a > > > > > > > lengthy method... or mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In words of gurudev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Seekhney wala sammohan vigyani ke liye jayda behatar to > > yeh > > > > hai > > > > > > ki > > > > > > > wah kisi safal hypnotist ke paas jakar rahay aur > practical > > > roop > > > > > se > > > > > > > seekhay, anyatha is vigyan ko pustako ke madhyam se bhi > > > seekha > > > > ja > > > > > > > sakta hai, sekhney waley sammohan vigyani ko chahiye ki > > vah > > > > subah > > > > > > > sadharan aur saral vastra pehan kar ekant kamaray mein > > zameen > > > > par > > > > > > > baith jaye, iskey liye koi asan koi disha nirdharit nahin > > > hai, > > > > > jis > > > > > > > tarah se bhi asani se baith sakta hai baith jaye aur apne > > > > samney > > > > > > ek > > > > > > > feet ke doori par, diwar par apni ankhon ke theek samney > > ek > > > > chota > > > > > > sa > > > > > > > lal bindu laga de(itni badi jitni dikhai de sakey), iske > > bad > > > us > > > > > > lal > > > > > > > bindi ko bina palak jhapkaye ektak dekhta rahe, tratak > > karey, > > > > > > shuro > > > > > > > mein 2-3 minute mein ankhein band ho jayeingee, dheeray > > > dheeray > > > > > is > > > > > > > abhyas ko badhaye, Iskey liye kisi mantra japa ki > zaroorat > > > > nahin > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > Keval Kriyatmak Paksh Hai, is bindu ko apalak dekhte > > rehney > > > ki > > > > > > kriya > > > > > > > kam se kam 32 minute ki honi chahiye aur zayda se zayda > 60 > > > > minute > > > > > > ka > > > > > > > abhyas karna chahiye"..... Yeh to Shuddh Vigyan hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides this i have read the book practical hypnotism > > since i > > > > was > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 10th grade, many times, there also no mention of mantra. > > > Anyhow > > > > > > now > > > > > > > im professionaly into all this. Well u know what, other > > > > hypnotism > > > > > > > methods around the world dont even use any Tratak and u > > will > > > > see > > > > > > many > > > > > > > expert hypnotists wearing spectacles. Even ppl doing Past > > > life > > > > > > > Therapy, life in between life therapy, spiritual > hypnosis, > > > > > > kundalini > > > > > > > hypnosis wear specs, but we have a strict ethical code to > > > > follow, > > > > > > > only to help who comes for own help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still im very interested in learning and > > researching "this" > > > > > > method. > > > > > > > This method includes great self discipline(means self > > > > > improvement) > > > > > > > and "Thought Projection" which i feel should be helpful > in > > > > quicky > > > > > > > hypnotising a willing client to third stage > > (somnabulistic) > > > and > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > giving faster results. I have tried deepak tratak with > > some > > > > > > success. > > > > > > > I just want to "ensure" success in Tratak. This is a > > devine > > > > > > science > > > > > > > of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right, i get the thumb rule, first I need to "Sidh" guru > > > > mantra. > > > > > > Well > > > > > > > the minimum chant is 1.25 Lakh for every mantra right? > > Even > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > rate of 1 hour(means roughly 4 rounds of 108 bead Rosary) > > a > > > day > > > > > of > > > > > > > mantra chanting plus 20-32 min of Tratak, it seems this > is > > > > gonna > > > > > > take > > > > > > > atleast 289 days for mantra siddhi. I dont have any > > problem > > > > > taking > > > > > > > guru diksha, i respect guru nikhileshawara by heart but > > the > > > > thing > > > > > > is > > > > > > > i am not a learner of occult right now, im only > interested > > in > > > > > > > hypnotism, mind... taking guru diksha means opening my > > doors > > > to > > > > > > vast > > > > > > > world of occult as well and being bound... i wanna > confine > > my > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > One thing at time right, like "Ek Saadhey sab sadhey, sab > > > > saadhey > > > > > > sab > > > > > > > jaye". So i want to confine my scope to hypnotism, > atleast > > > for > > > > > > now, > > > > > > > is that possible? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess guru mantra is their for some inner strength and > > > grace > > > > > > from > > > > > > > spirit of gurudev? Sorry im asking too many questions > > maybe > > > but > > > > > > thats > > > > > > > the way i am, im a researcher at heart and i need to know > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > about this b4 i actually get into it. Then u know i will > > have > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > many more calculation in schedules n all n then plan the > > road > > > > > > ahead. > > > > > > > I already spend lot of time with myself, my family my > wife > > > > doesnt > > > > > > > like that. Also im already bound by many rules from > Spirit > > > > > > guides... > > > > > > > and i have other mantras to deal with... yes i took one > > > diksha > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Bhram rishi kumar swami ji... two diksha from different > > gurus > > > > at > > > > > a > > > > > > > time... complex situation huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the rules u mention seem too strict... Guruji taught > > > > > > > me, "compassion out of compulsion is not compassion", it > > just > > > > > > builds > > > > > > > with time, from inside... and i found it to be true, but > i > > > > liked > > > > > > what > > > > > > > Shashtri Ji said "Take diksha then rest is all on ur hard > > > > work", > > > > > > well > > > > > > > hardwork never killed anyone and if thats the case, then > > im > > > > sure > > > > > > to > > > > > > > succeed. But i need to narrow the task list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what would u suggest from here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sharva_ajay" > > <sharva_ajay@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must be doing already traatak on a shakti chakra > for > > > > > > mastering > > > > > > > > Hypnotism. > > > > > > > > shakti chakras are aslo avialable at Gurudham. > > > > > > > > Guru Diksha is basic and doing specified Guru mantra > > japa > > > > > > everyday > > > > > > > > is essential. > > > > > > > > Also buy some old magazines to get yourself familar > with > > > the > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > requirements being a sadhak. Guru diksha will require > > Rs. > > > > 540/- > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > you need to have one laminated photograph of Gurudev, > > One > > > > > > safatic > > > > > > > > (crystal mala), > > > > > > > > one wollen sitting mat of yellow colour, one Guru yantra > > ( > > > > made > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > copper or parad) > > > > > > > > & one book of daily Guru sadhna. > > > > > > > > These articles will cost you Rs. 550/-(approx). > > > > > > > > Price of Guru shawl is included in Guru Diksha amount. > > > > > > > > These are basic requirements for every sadhak, no > matter > > > > which > > > > > > > > specific sadhna a person wants to do after that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At Gurudham you may enquire about the amount required > to > > > take > > > > > > > > special diksha called > > > > > > > > " Sammohan Diksha". You may take that next month or > next > > > day > > > > if > > > > > > > > possible. This is second stage. > > > > > > > > First is Guru Diksha and it is basic. After that it is > > you > > > > and > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > hardwork combined with devotion > > > > > > > > and faith. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram Nikhileshwaram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "scorpion_1112in" > > > > > > > > <scorpion_1112in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a student of Clinical Hypnotherapy in Delhi, so > > im > > > > > > studying > > > > > > > > > various forms and methods of hypnotism world over. I > > have > > > > > read > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > book > > > > > > > > > Practical Hypnotism by Gurudev many times and now i > > find > > > it > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > interesting. I am interested in practically learning > > this > > > > > > method > > > > > > > > also. > > > > > > > > > I hear this month(27-30 dec 06) gurudev is visiting > > delhi > > > > > > > gurudham > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Pitampura... i have few important questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So can i get some guidence and diksha at that time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much do i need to pay for it? (k i know im > > > not "buying" > > > > a > > > > > > > > diksha, > > > > > > > > > but im a student, so its a must for me to know...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how long does it really take to learn it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im looking forward to listening from gurubhais who > > have > > > > > > > > succesfully > > > > > > > > > accomplished this Sadhna. This is really very serious > > for > > > > me, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > im a > > > > > > > > > proffesional in this thing. Any help will be highly > > > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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