About Nirmala Devi - In response to Dennis/ Dionisis

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2] About Nirmala Devi ; Now how does this whole issue get started.

Parishant's the `culprit' [smiles]

 

He asked : Well Who is Nirmala Devi? She said she is Devi

incarnation? Is that true?

 

Now I really like venkat bhasksr response. He said : She is a

preacher of Sahaja Yoga which is supposed to be a simpler process

for awakening kundalini. I was in a sahaja yoga group for about 6

months a long time back. The group practises some movements to

awaken the chakras. Nirmala devi is the wife of a very senior

officer in Indian diplomatic service who was in London and settled

there .I think what she basically says is that every one can feel

the pleasure of awakening of kundalini and also feel better,improve

their health etc through these simpler methods which she has

developed after extensive study and research of various yoga Sastras

Reincarnation? very difficult to answer in a country so ready to

believe in reincarnations. Every week on TV ( mainly regional

channels) I find at least one person in some village or other

claiming to be a reincarnation . Nirmala devi however has a very

Strong and commotted following mainly in north "

 

Why do I like this response, because Shri Venkat makes Shri Nirmala

Devi almost like the other Mother such as Ammachi, Karumayi etc..

They are indeed Devi manifestated. To me they are all Mothers in

their own right, all bestows with special gift and uses that gift

to help humanity. That is why I have nothing against them.

My contribution to this thread begins with : From Shakta perspective

all Women are the manifestation of Devi.

 

Even for Sri Ramakrishna, to whom all women were manifestations of

the Divine Mother. Thus Shakti Puja like the Kumari is considered

one of the most powerful form of puja. It is when you are

worshipping the Devi in flesh and blood.

 

The suddenly this young man comes in with this statement :

[a] Now, about whether She is the Incarnation of the Devi. Shri

Mataji says we should not believe whatever we are told about

spirituality but we should verify it on our experience and then

accept it as a fact and not as a blind faith. Yes,Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi is the Incarnation of the Goddess and this is not my

belief but my knowledge.

 

What you say maybe true in some sense but I do not think it is

so generally. I mean, how can it be every young girl to be equal

with Durga , Parvati, Saraswati or Laksmi? Can they cure diseases?

Can they give en masse Kundalini Awakening? Can they teach Shri

Nirmala Vidya? Young girl maybe a manifestation of Shri Maha Devi

but they are not Maha Devi Herself in complete form and with

complete Powers.

[c] I in no way insult your rites but I( sent an email about whether

or not Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is or not an incarnation of Shri Adi

Shakti and Nora replied to my email saying that every girl is a

Kumari! Then, I replied to state that while every girl is a

manifestation of the Devi, that does not mean Shri Mataji Nirmala

Devi is not something special but She is just like any girl.

and [c] tells me he have no knowledge at all what kumari pooja

is all about. We all assume he does, but he actually does not know.

I responded futher : I do not question the so call godliness status

of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Ammachi devotee too like to belive

Ammachi is a God to them. Heck! if you all wants to believe she is a

God, go ahead. I have no problem with that. We believe our guru too

is like god to us. Even my own guru always remind me : I am a

nobody. Just an ordinary person. So whats the problem. I am

responding to Parishant and if you read carefully my statement is a

general statement stating the fact of our shakta tradition as how we

see women and some of our practices. Because please remember you are

in a shakta group and this is our basic philisophy : ALL women are

the manifestation of DEVI.

Then Dennis said something rather strange" It is true that every

true Guru is an Incarnation of the Divine but Shri Mataji Nirmala

Devi is even higher than that."

We do not invent this whole concept of Guru as the manifestation of

DEVI. Its in the sastras. Somehow I know many Guru are not

comfortable with this. Even my own guru told me many times : Do not

put me on the pedestral.

So, how can one be higher than the Guru who is also the

manifestation of DEVI? What can be higher than the DIVINE? From my

understanding the highest form is BRAHMAN. And Brahman from my

understanding is formless and genderless. So how can Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi be considered as Brahman?

Again Shri Venkat brings out a very beautiful statement : A person

who gained knowledge of any subject including kundalini and

preaching/transmitting this knowledge is Acharya. If a female, she

is respectfully addressed as Mata. One can be a great teacher

without becoming a God. Great sages like Vyasa, Vashista to Adi

Sankara followed by some others did not claim they were Gods. Even

Rama behaved as a good example of a warrior king and not an all

knowing, all powerful god. Our traditions like Kumari puja teach

humility. Even a professor of say physics may bow on a particular

day to a Kumari. It does not mean the Kumari knows more about

physics than the professor. It is good that Mata Nirmala Devi is

doing great work in spreading our ancient knowledge. She is not an

anti thesis to our tradition. She is part of our ethos ranging from

the questioning Sankhya to strong simple faith that excludes every

thing else.

Suddenly today he said this : About me being a Sahaja Yogi, well,

Sahaja Yoga is just one of the aspects of the Goddess, and while I

am a Sahaja Yoggi, I am dedicated not the Goddess Adi Shakti Shri

MAtaji Nirmala Devi.

Am I missing something here? Something is really really not right!