challenging authority

[mahak]

Haribol. Unfortunately, my last thread was blocked due to unnecessary spamming. However, one of my last posts was honestly questioned. I provided this quote:

 

<CENTER>CHALLENGING THE AUTHORITY OF SRI GURUDEVA (Mark 11: 27-33)</CENTER><CENTER></CENTER>

The scholars, elders and priests were questioning Lord Jesus Christ thus: "Who gives You the power to do these things?" He responded, "I will answer on the condition you answer whether the baptism of John is heaven-sent or of human origin?"

 

The church leaders conferred among themselves, deciding both possible answers threatened their positions. Heaven-sent meant they denied the Will of the Supreme, human origin meant that they were to be attacked by the people, so they diplomatically answered, "We cannot tell."

Lord Jesus Christ then said, "Then I won't tell you either."

 

mahaksadasa Comment: The lesson here is that authority of Gurudeva is never discussed among the faithless.

 

A writer did not understand why Lord Jesus seemed so curt with his response. Why could he not answer the question? This brings up the topic of challenging authority.

 

So, here in the outback, I question authority. Those who have read my political posts over the ten years Ive been blogging know that I not only question authority, I defy it. I have never shut out anyone with an edge, in fact, I welcome it. I also pay obiesancies to my Spiritual Master, Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami, for his rebellious nature. However, in the context of the topic described above, this questioning of authority MUST be scientific if it has any value.

 

Loprd Jesus Christ made a determination. He has that right. There was no point in continuing the discussion, because those questioning had no interest in ANY answer he may have provided, The questioners had all the answers they needed, they were firm, in no need of any new information. Their questioning was completely dishonest, politically (or religiously, no difference) motivated.

 

In the science of Bhakti yoga as presented by Srila Prabhupada, questioning of authority is demanded. Srila Prabhupada criticized blind faith more severely that blind rejection. He gives us scientific knowledge for us to AVOID the pitfalls that some have not avoided, i.e. accepting bogus demons as spiritual masters. However, he also expects us to put HIM to the test before we accept him as our spiritual master. OOPS, maybe some see spiritual master to meaN WE ARE SPIRITUAL slaves, but master has different meanings other than overlordship over other beings. Master also means proficiency in a particular field, and we approach such masters every day to offer our services, bosses, teachers, spouses, children.

 

Lord Jesusw Christ teaches by this citation that we need not engage in discussion with those who challenge for the sake of challenge, not wanting any relief from their doubts. Pearls before swine is the occidental phrase, the oriental phrase is to not engage in preaching effort to the faithless. The Bhagavad Gita gives us information as to who is a likely candidate for receiving answers to their questions.

 

There are four types eligible for Bhakti Yoga, and there are also four types that we do not have to bother with, to waste our time with, because to engage these types, we invite offense, thus becoming offenders ourselves. Later, as time permits, we will discuss these eight different types which give rise to understanding exactly Lord Jesus Christ said, "I will not tell you, either." I saw Srila Prabhupada say this to an idiot as well, a fool who was reaLLY SO FULL OF HIS OWN egomania that his questions were of no value.

 

Srila Prabhupada asks us to question his authority, all the time, specifically as seen in the second chapter of the compilationary book, Teachings of Self Realization. However, the key is the phrase submissive inquiry. This phrase is quite self explanetory, and prevents both blind faith and blind rejection with just two words. We must Want the answer (for four reasons), THEN WE ASK. The four reasons will be explained from Bhagavad Gita as it is in later installments on this topic (unless it is ruined by one of the four types rejected by Lord Jesus Christ).

 

Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

[cbrahma]

It's nice to be able to settle issues by claiming authority over them. Jesus answered the Pharisees questions on several occasions even when they were setting traps. Where there is no desire to learn the truth, when the truth is suppressed for political reasons , or because it is unpalatable it is 'casting pearls before swine.'

 

Jesus directs the disciples in a new place "to make a careful search" (10) for a worthy host household, to accept its hospitality without subsequently shopping around for more favorable accommodations (10:11), and after entering the dwelling to pronounce God's peace on the selected household unless it later proves unworthy (10:12-13). Jesus concludes this set of instructions with a directive to perform a ritual of judgment outside any household or town unreceptive to the disciples' message ("shake off the dust from your feet," 10:14) and with a final sobering comparison of the fate of that place to the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah (10:15). Rejection of the kingdom message can have devastating consequences.

 

This however is a discussion group, to all appearances, not a preaching forum.

 

 

Haribol. Unfortunately, my last thread was blocked due to unnecessary spamming. However, one of my last posts was honestly questioned. I provided this quote:

 

 

 

 

<CENTER>CHALLENGING THE AUTHORITY OF SRI GURUDEVA (Mark 11: 27-33)</CENTER><CENTER></CENTER>

The scholars, elders and priests were questioning Lord Jesus Christ thus: "Who gives You the power to do these things?" He responded, "I will answer on the condition you answer whether the baptism of John is heaven-sent or of human origin?"

 

The church leaders conferred among themselves, deciding both possible answers threatened their positions. Heaven-sent meant they denied the Will of the Supreme, human origin meant that they were to be attacked by the people, so they diplomatically answered, "We cannot tell."

Lord Jesus Christ then said, "Then I won't tell you either."

 

mahaksadasa Comment: The lesson here is that authority of Gurudeva is never discussed among the faithless.

 

A writer did not understand why Lord Jesus seemed so curt with his response. Why could he not answer the question? This brings up the topic of challenging authority.

 

So, here in the outback, I question authority. Those who have read my political posts over the ten years Ive been blogging know that I not only question authority, I defy it. I have never shut out anyone with an edge, in fact, I welcome it. I also pay obiesancies to my Spiritual Master, Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami, for his rebellious nature. However, in the context of the topic described above, this questioning of authority MUST be scientific if it has any value.

 

Loprd Jesus Christ made a determination. He has that right. There was no point in continuing the discussion, because those questioning had no interest in ANY answer he may have provided, The questioners had all the answers they needed, they were firm, in no need of any new information. Their questioning was completely dishonest, politically (or religiously, no difference) motivated.

 

In the science of Bhakti yoga as presented by Srila Prabhupada, questioning of authority is demanded. Srila Prabhupada criticized blind faith more severely that blind rejection. He gives us scientific knowledge for us to AVOID the pitfalls that some have not avoided, i.e. accepting bogus demons as spiritual masters. However, he also expects us to put HIM to the test before we accept him as our spiritual master. OOPS, maybe some see spiritual master to meaN WE ARE SPIRITUAL slaves, but master has different meanings other than overlordship over other beings. Master also means proficiency in a particular field, and we approach such masters every day to offer our services, bosses, teachers, spouses, children.

 

Lord Jesusw Christ teaches by this citation that we need not engage in discussion with those who challenge for the sake of challenge, not wanting any relief from their doubts. Pearls before swine is the occidental phrase, the oriental phrase is to not engage in preaching effort to the faithless. The Bhagavad Gita gives us information as to who is a likely candidate for receiving answers to their questions.

 

There are four types eligible for Bhakti Yoga, and there are also four types that we do not have to bother with, to waste our time with, because to engage these types, we invite offense, thus becoming offenders ourselves. Later, as time permits, we will discuss these eight different types which give rise to understanding exactly Lord Jesus Christ said, "I will not tell you, either." I saw Srila Prabhupada say this to an idiot as well, a fool who was reaLLY SO FULL OF HIS OWN egomania that his questions were of no value.

 

Srila Prabhupada asks us to question his authority, all the time, specifically as seen in the second chapter of the compilationary book, Teachings of Self Realization. However, the key is the phrase submissive inquiry. This phrase is quite self explanetory, and prevents both blind faith and blind rejection with just two words. We must Want the answer (for four reasons), THEN WE ASK. The four reasons will be explained from Bhagavad Gita as it is in later installments on this topic (unless it is ruined by one of the four types rejected by Lord Jesus Christ).

 

Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

[Guest guest]

I asked the question yesterday and I like your response mahak. It is fair and honest.

 

 

Haribol. Unfortunately, my last thread was blocked due to unnecessary spamming. However, one of my last posts was honestly questioned. I provided this quote:

 

<CENTER>CHALLENGING THE AUTHORITY OF SRI GURUDEVA (Mark 11: 27-33)</CENTER><CENTER></CENTER>

The scholars, elders and priests were questioning Lord Jesus Christ thus: "Who gives You the power to do these things?" He responded, "I will answer on the condition you answer whether the baptism of John is heaven-sent or of human origin?"

 

The church leaders conferred among themselves, deciding both possible answers threatened their positions. Heaven-sent meant they denied the Will of the Supreme, human origin meant that they were to be attacked by the people, so they diplomatically answered, "We cannot tell."

Lord Jesus Christ then said, "Then I won't tell you either."

 

mahaksadasa Comment: The lesson here is that authority of Gurudeva is never discussed among the faithless.

 

A writer did not understand why Lord Jesus seemed so curt with his response. Why could he not answer the question? This brings up the topic of challenging authority.

 

So, here in the outback, I question authority. Those who have read my political posts over the ten years Ive been blogging know that I not only question authority, I defy it. I have never shut out anyone with an edge, in fact, I welcome it. I also pay obiesancies to my Spiritual Master, Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami, for his rebellious nature. However, in the context of the topic described above, this questioning of authority MUST be scientific if it has any value.

 

Loprd Jesus Christ made a determination. He has that right. There was no point in continuing the discussion, because those questioning had no interest in ANY answer he may have provided, The questioners had all the answers they needed, they were firm, in no need of any new information. Their questioning was completely dishonest, politically (or religiously, no difference) motivated.

 

In the science of Bhakti yoga as presented by Srila Prabhupada, questioning of authority is demanded. Srila Prabhupada criticized blind faith more severely that blind rejection. He gives us scientific knowledge for us to AVOID the pitfalls that some have not avoided, i.e. accepting bogus demons as spiritual masters. However, he also expects us to put HIM to the test before we accept him as our spiritual master. OOPS, maybe some see spiritual master to meaN WE ARE SPIRITUAL slaves, but master has different meanings other than overlordship over other beings. Master also means proficiency in a particular field, and we approach such masters every day to offer our services, bosses, teachers, spouses, children.

 

Lord Jesusw Christ teaches by this citation that we need not engage in discussion with those who challenge for the sake of challenge, not wanting any relief from their doubts. Pearls before swine is the occidental phrase, the oriental phrase is to not engage in preaching effort to the faithless. The Bhagavad Gita gives us information as to who is a likely candidate for receiving answers to their questions.

 

There are four types eligible for Bhakti Yoga, and there are also four types that we do not have to bother with, to waste our time with, because to engage these types, we invite offense, thus becoming offenders ourselves. Later, as time permits, we will discuss these eight different types which give rise to understanding exactly Lord Jesus Christ said, "I will not tell you, either." I saw Srila Prabhupada say this to an idiot as well, a fool who was reaLLY SO FULL OF HIS OWN egomania that his questions were of no value.

 

Srila Prabhupada asks us to question his authority, all the time, specifically as seen in the second chapter of the compilationary book, Teachings of Self Realization. However, the key is the phrase submissive inquiry. This phrase is quite self explanetory, and prevents both blind faith and blind rejection with just two words. We must Want the answer (for four reasons), THEN WE ASK. The four reasons will be explained from Bhagavad Gita as it is in later installments on this topic (unless it is ruined by one of the four types rejected by Lord Jesus Christ).

 

Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

[mahak]

The whole idea of this science is that FORCE has no place. If one feels coercion, then if he still "surrenders", then he is simply a fanatic, almost a crazy person.

 

Srila Prabhupada explains very thoroughly the process of surrender, which does not mean force, but a willing desire to approach someone who can help wit6h specific problems. This is not slavery, but practical use of intelloigence.

 

Srila Prabhupada:

 

"The sastras enjoin that before we take a guru we study him carefully to find out whether we can surrender to him. We should not accept a guru suddenly, out of fanaticism. That is very dangerous. The guru should also study the person who wants to become a disciple to see if he is fit. That is the way a relationship is established between the guru and disciple. Everything is provided, but we must take up the process seriously. Then we can be trained to become a bona fide disciple. First we must find a bona fide guru, establish our relationship with him, and act accordingly. Then our life will be successful, for the guru can enlighten the sincere disciple who is in darkness."

 

So, we see establishment of relationship. When we speak of coercion, slavery, domination by one over another5, this is not a realtionship. To consider such is like considering a rape victim to be connected in love to the perpetrator.

 

Of course there is service, but this is willing service free from coercion. There is reciprocation between the master and servant, so much so, that even the master is providing service as well, just as a huswband and wife in their relationship based of free-choice-love exchange positions of master and service.

 

Anyway, haribol, I have no animosity at all with the contributors to this forum. It is discussion, but it is also preaching as well. ISTAGOSTHI means exchange, some act to instruct, some act as student, and both change places all the time.

 

Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

[Kulapavana]

 

The whole idea of this science is that FORCE has no place.

 

it is also important to understand what exactly is "authority" in that context. what is the meaning of that term and it's practical implications.

 

It is also important to remember that there is only one Absolute Authority, and that is Krsna - everybody else is a relative authority. Relative to what? the maintenance of diesel locomotives? yes, there is such an authority as well. so we need to be SPECIFIC as to what authority we have in mind.

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Are a Christian or Vaisnava?

[krishnadasa]

 

Are a Christian or Vaisnava?

 

Christian can be Vaishnawa...... Christian is the one who follows Christ and Christ is the extension of Krishna. So logically a devout Christian is a Vaishnawa

[Puru Das, das anudas]

 

". . . In the science of Bhakti yoga as presented by Srila Prabhupada, questioning of authority is demanded. Srila Prabhupada criticized blind faith more severely that blind rejection. He gives us scientific knowledge for us to AVOID the pitfalls that some have not avoided, i.e. accepting bogus demons as spiritual masters. . . . "

 

Here is a very wonderful verse and purport from Bg. 10.4-5 in which His Divine Grace wrote about blind following, truth, the power of thought and many other enlightening conceptions:

 

 

<CENTER>Chapter 10. The Opulence of the Absolute</CENTER>

 

TEXT 4-5

 

buddhir jnanam asammohah

ksama satyam damah samah

sukham duhkham bhavo 'bhavo

bhayam cabhayam eva ca

ahimsa samata tustis

tapo danam yaso 'yasah

bhavanti bhava bhutanam

matta eva prthag-vidhah

SYNONYMS

 

buddhih--intelligence; jnanam--knowledge; asammohah--freedom from doubt; ksama--forgiveness; satyam--truthfulness; damah--control of the senses; samah--control of the mind; sukham--happiness; duhkham--distress; bhavah--birth; abhavah--death; bhayam--fear; ca--and; abhayam--without fear; eva--also; ca--and; ahimsa--nonviolence; samata--equilibrium; tustih--satisfaction; tapah--penance; danam--charity; yasah--fame; ayasah--infamy; bhavanti--become; bhavah--natures; bhutanam--of living entities; mattah--from Me; eva--certainly; prthak-vidhah--differently arranged.

 

 

TRANSLATION

 

Intelligence, knowledge, freedom from doubt and delusion, forgiveness, truthfulness, self-control and calmness, pleasure and pain, birth, death, fear, fearlessness, nonviolence, equanimity, satisfaction, austerity, charity, fame and infamy are created by Me alone.

 

 

PURPORT

 

The different qualities of living entities, be they good or bad, are all created by Krsna, and they are described here.

Intelligence refers to the power of analyzing things in proper perspective, and knowledge refers to understanding what is spirit and what is matter. Ordinary knowledge obtained by a university education pertains only to matter, and it is not accepted here as knowledge. Knowledge means knowing the distinction between spirit and matter. In modern education there is no knowledge about the spirit; they are simply taking care of the material elements and bodily needs. Therefore academic knowledge is not complete.

Asammoha, freedom from doubt and delusion, can be achieved when one is not hesitant and when he understands the transcendental philosophy. Slowly but surely he becomes free from bewilderment. Nothing should be accepted blindly; everything should be accepted with care and with caution. Ksama, forgiveness, should be practiced, and one should excuse the minor offenses of others. Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straight and forward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. If a man is a thief and if people are warned that he is a thief, that is truth. Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others. That is the definition of truth.

Self-control means that the senses should not be used for unnecessary personal enjoyment. There is no prohibition against meeting the proper needs of the senses, but unnecessary sense enjoyment is detrimental for spiritual advancement. Therefore the senses should be restrained from unnecessary use. Similarly, the mind should not indulge in unnecessary thoughts; that is called samah, or calmness. Nor should one spend one's time pondering over earning money. That is a misuse of the thinking power. The mind should be used to understand the prime necessity of human beings, and that should be presented authoritatively. The power of thought should be developed in association with persons who are authorities in the scriptures, saintly persons and spiritual masters and those whose thinking is highly developed. Sukham, pleasure or happiness, should always be in that which is favorable for the cultivation of the spiritual knowledge of Krsna consciousness. And similarly, that which is painful or which causes distress is that which is unfavorable for the cultivation of Krsna consciousness. Anything favorable for the development of Krsna consciousness should be accepted, and anything unfavorable should be rejected.

Bhava, birth, should be understood to refer to the body. As far as the soul is concerned, there is neither birth nor death; that we have discussed in the beginning of Bhagavad-gita. Birth and death apply to one's embodiment in the material world. Fear is due to worrying about the future. A person in Krsna consciousness has no fear because by his activities he is sure to go back to the spiritual sky, back home, back to Godhead. Therefore his future is very bright. Others, however, do not know what their future holds; they have no knowledge of what the next life holds. So they are therefore in constant anxiety. If we want to get free from anxiety, then the best course is to understand Krsna and be situated always in Krsna consciousness. In that way we will be free from all fear. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it is stated that fear is caused by our absorption in the illusory energy, but those who are free from the illusory energy, those who are confident that they are not the material body, that they are spiritual parts of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and are therefore engaged in the transcendental service of the Supreme Godhead, have nothing to fear. Their future is very bright. This fear is a condition of persons who are not in Krsna consciousness. Bhayam, fearlessness, is only possible for one in Krsna consciousness.

Ahimsa, nonviolence, means that one should not do anything which will put others into misery or confusion. Material activities that are promised by so many politicians, sociologists, philanthropists, etc., do not produce very good results because the politicians and philanthropists have no transcendental vision; they do not know what is actually beneficial for human society. Ahimsa means that people should be trained in such a way that the full utilization of the human body can be achieved. The human body is meant for spiritual realization, so any movement or any commissions which do not further that end commit violence on the human body. That which furthers the future spiritual happiness of the people in general is called nonviolence.

Samata, equanimity, refers to freedom from attachment and aversion. To be very much attached or to be very much detached is not the best. This material world should be accepted without attachment or aversion. Similarly, that which is favorable for prosecuting Krsna consciousness should be accepted; that which is unfavorable should be rejected. That is called samata, equanimity. A person in Krsna consciousness has nothing to reject and nothing to accept unless it is useful in the prosecution of Krsna consciousness.

Tusti, satisfaction, means that one should not be eager to gather more and more material goods by unnecessary activity. One should be satisfied with whatever is obtained by the grace of the Supreme Lord; that is called satisfaction. Tapas means austerity or penance. There are many rules and definitions in the Vedas which apply here, like rising early in the morning and taking a bath. Sometimes it is very troublesome to rise early in the morning, but whatever voluntary trouble one may suffer in this way is called penance. Similarly, there are prescriptions for fasting on certain days of the month. One may not be inclined to practice such fasting, but because of his determination to make advancement in the science of Krsna consciousness, he should accept such bodily troubles which are recommended. However, one should not fast unnecessarily or against Vedic injunctions. One should not fast for some political purpose; that is described in Bhagavad-gita as fasting in ignorance, and anything done in ignorance or passion does not lead to spiritual advancement. Everything done in the mode of goodness does advance one, however, and fasting done in terms of the Vedic injunctions enriches one in spiritual knowledge.

As far as charity is concerned, one should give fifty percent of his earnings to some good cause. And what is a good cause? It is that which is conducted in terms of Krsna consciousness. That is not only a good cause, but it is the best cause. Because Krsna is good, His cause is also good. Thus charity should be given to a person who is engaged in Krsna consciousness. According to Vedic literature, it is enjoined that charity should be given to the brahmanas. This practice is still followed, although not very nicely in terms of the Vedic injunction. But still the injunction is that charity should be given to the brahmanas. Why? Because they are engaged in higher cultivation of spiritual knowledge. A brahmana is supposed to devote his whole life to understanding Brahman. A brahma-jana is one who knows Brahman; he is called a brahmana. Thus charity is offered to the brahmanas because since they are always engaged in higher spiritual service, they have no time to earn their livelihood. In the Vedic literature, charity is also to be awarded to the renouncer of life, the sannyasi. The sannyasis beg from door to door, not for money but for missionary purposes. The system is that they go from door to door to awaken the householders from the slumber of ignorance. Because the householders are engaged in family affairs and have forgotten their actual purpose in life--awakening their Krsna consciousness--it is the business of the sannyasis to go as beggars to the householders and encourage them to be Krsna conscious. As it is said in the Vedas, one should awake and achieve what is due him in this human form of life. This knowledge and method is distributed by the sannyasis; hence charity is to be given to the renouncer of life, to the brahmanas, and similar good causes, not to any whimsical cause.

Yasah, fame, should be according to Lord Caitanya, who said that a man is famous when he is known as a great devotee. That is real fame. If one has become a great man in Krsna consciousness and it is known, then he is truly famous. One who does not have such fame is infamous.

All these qualities are manifest throughout the universe in human society and in the society of the demigods. There are many forms of humanity on other planets, and these qualities are there. Now, for one who wants to advance in Krsna consciousness, Krsna creates all these qualities, but the person develops them himself from within. One who engages in the devotional service of the Supreme Lord develops all the good qualities, as arranged by the Supreme Lord.

Of whatever we find, good or bad, the origin is Krsna. Nothing can manifest in this material world which is not in Krsna. That is knowledge; although we know that things are differently situated, we should realize that everything flows from Krsna

 

 

Allow me to also observe that in the l970's in Brooklyn NY at 439 Henry St. Srila Prabhupada gave darshan to different groups of devotees. He met with the african american contingency, mad eup of devotees from the east coast. Lokamangala prabhu was being sent out to collect for the temple in a clown costume and he had reservations about dong it. So he asked His Divine Grace, "what should we do if we have some question about what the authorities are asking us do to." Srila Prabhupada responded, "Authorities!!! Srila Rupa and Srila Sanatana are our authorities. We are following them."

The entire darshan is on 1/2 " black and white sony videotape that I turned over to Nrsmhananda at ITV and can be viewed any time.

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pda

[mahak]

Haribol, and thank you very much for your honored addition to this topic, sri puru das. There are so many instances where Srila Prabhupada corrected his disciples who were following what they thought was official policy, when in actuality, it was quite a departure from Srila Prabhupadas mission.

 

One such instance, and I wont get into the details, is where a disciple was speaking about following an advanced disciple of Srila Prabhupada. In the course of the discussion, Srila Prabhupada asked the disciple about the qualifications of the disciple he was following. The disciple responded, "It is not up to me to judge." Srila Prabhupada, very disgusted, said, "Then you are fool number one."

 

The gist of this important message is that there is a requirement of the disciple is to judiciously discern all whom he HEARS from. There is no passive nicities and respect for others opinions in this science. We are required to judge others, and the tools we are given, as cited above (He gives us scientific knowledge for us to AVOID the pitfalls that some have not avoided). These tools are referred to as GURU-SHASTRA-SADHU. This is the checks and balances we need to determine real authority. Some get all fouled up because they pick and choose instruction from one or another, usually out of context. However, in context, one will come to see that real authority centers on the fact that there is concurrence. Srila Prabhupada, in context, never deviates from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada, Srila Vyasadeva, or the Six Goswamis. When we hear from the vaisnava preacher, this is our criteria, and concurrance means that the authority is there. Deviation means that hearing from such a person is dangerous to ones spiritual life.

 

A writer asks about christianity. I am certainly not a Christian, because the Christian philosophy does not concur with GURU-SHASTRA-SADHU. This said, I fully accept Lord Jesus Christ as sadhu because his actual teachings concur with teachings of my spiritual master, revealed scripture, and the past acaryas. I do not accept Paul as authority because he deviates in so many ways with the actual teachings of Lord Jesus Christ, therefore, as christianity is more based on the false teachings of paul than the actual teachings of Lord Jesus Christ, this position of mine differentiating between Lord Jesus and the foundation that bears his name is the discernment I speak of here. The authority of Lord Jesus is accepted, especially his prediction of how christianity is rejected by him because of failure to do the will of His Father. Perhaps more detail of this position can be discussed in another topic.

 

Hare Krsna, thank you all for engaging in this discussion, hearing and chanting. ys in cooperation, mahaksadasa

[mahak]

In addition, the best website I have seen, and use quite often, is this site of Sri Puru das adhikari. Nothing at all seems to be missing here, wonderful archives, videos, authoritative teachings, complete works of Srila Prabhupada, Srila Narayana Maharaja. One could spend many hours (lifetimes) here. Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

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I do not accept Paul as authority because he deviates in so many ways with the actual teachings of Lord Jesus Christ, therefore, as christianity is more based on the false teachings of paul than the actual teachings of Lord Jesus Christ...

 

Right on there, my friend. Modern Christianity is more or less "Paulianity." Thankyou Sri Mahak,and Sri Puru prabhus for the excellent replies. I appreciate you all sharing your wisdom.