Vedic astrology is science to help rather chargeable ?

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Dear Poster (Venkat/Eswaran whatever your good name is),

 

For your sake, I hope you are following your ancestral advice and

dispensing free readings daily or most days anyway!

 

And if you are doing this sincerely, you will come to the realization

as to why you were drawn to astrology and why you are doing what you

are doing and how! Believe me, that is the plus point, the biggest

gift that jyotish-sadhana brings to you, eventually :-)

 

Be sincere and ALWAYS practice before you are tempted to preach!

 

I am nearing retirement, don't take personal offence ;-)

 

 

RR

 

 

vedic astrology, venkateswaran <pv_eswaran

wrote:

>

> Dear All respected and learned astrologyers and astro-reader,

> Vedic astrology is science to help the needy people rather than

charging it directly or indirectly

>

> If you take the start of Vedic astrology , It is knowledge provided

to brahma by Lord Siva and also to his son Karthikeya, Lord Siva told

them this is science of fortelling which cannot and should not be

charged .the day you charge it your knowledge diminished slowly and

suddenly

>

> When see the people say that we charge for the consultation that

indicate there ignorance and aslo there knowledge is zero . Such

people interpreation will never going to be 100% nor 0.0001% true

>

> Moment you charge for this science you enter into karma of that

kriya , so you have to take the some amount of bad luck of the person

whom you tell

>

> I felt tell me convey this small message which my great grandpa

passed to my grandma and to my mother and to me , know to others on

the ocassion of Western's New Year of 2007

>

> Ram Ram !

>

> With Regards

> PV Eswaran

>

>

> biswajit chowdhury <chowdhury_biswajit wrote:

Dear GBPK,

> I appriciate your reply to RR.Hope your bold will go no.

> regards

> B.Chowdhury

> Kolkata.

>

> Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote:

> Dear RR

>

> ur story telling is fine pl address her issues as if u had

experienced such reverence and sure some stories and remedies will

also be in ur memory hep the poor women than scare/nore her.

>

> But If I were u will suggest some Subramanya [Kartikeya] kavachams

or stotra etc. then tell stories.

>

> G B Prashant Kumar

>

> Pl give personal data with some life events and dates, jobs,

marriage, family, kids.

> Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail

and CHAT consultations ARE CHARGEABLE!

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> vedic astrology

> Friday, December 22, 2006 9:10:13 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Dangerous Snakes Dreams always GOOD

or BAD ?? SHARING

>

> JUST SHARING! Don't bite me!!

>

> over the last thirty years -- have had many snake dreams including

> dreams of killing them -- and actually having experienced one instance

> where I killed a cobra and helped/witnessed a few other killings

> earlier in my childhood home!

>

> When it comes to survival or perceived survival -- trust a human

> always! There is nothing more CRUEL and CAPABLE at KILLING than

> him/her!! Now you know the full story behind our Scriptures!! !

>

> I was raised in a home that had a huge yard and even a jungle! It used

> to be a home where the Brit resident (circa pre 1947 I assume and

> hope?) lived and was a huge wooden home about 125 years old (back then

> in the 50s). Each monsoon, beams from the roofs would crash down as we

> slept outside to avoid the heat (no airconditioning back then!).

> Mosquito nets had been invented and in regular use -- in case some of

> the younger uninformed (;-)) folks are wondering!!

>

> Let me not spook you out completely by describing the fat rats that

> lived in the attic and came down the ventilator rope!

>

> Years later in another newer home -- oh in the 80s a cobra was spotted

> in the bathroom of that second home of mine, poised with hood

> stretched up but was it really ready to attack? I do not know! I was

> not there, physically!!

>

> I was never told what they finally did to that snake!

>

> The area I grew up in was heavily 'populated' with snakes, mostly

> Cobras! While fear was there, there was more of a feeling of reverence!

>

> I can through that experience of years understand and empathize with

> those who face rahu face to face -- in their private space, like a

> bathroom!

>

> But then, I grew up in an area that was under the blessing and direct

> protection of Mahakaal! I always and still believe that to be the case!

>

> No physical or worldly ties remain anymore with that realm but it does

> not go away from my memory! So, it must be important! Right?

>

> RR

>

> vedic astrology, geeta charan

<charangeeta@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Gurudev Sadar Pranam,

> >

> > Date - 23/08/1980

> > time - 1-4 am

> > Place - Boath Adilabad (AP)

> >

> >

> > My dreams are of big snakes and snake does bite me sometime But

> sometime he rans behind me. Plz suggest some remedy or what is meaning

> of these dreams ?? can any one has answers for these.

> >

> > As i m getting regularly these dreams and i m afraid of dreams.

> plz suggest.

> >

> > regds

> > geeta

> >

> > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger.

> Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php

> >

> >

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Hi PV Eswaran, I am not a professional astrologer and teased (jovially) a family that brought fruits etc when they came to me a for a general consultation. Having said that, ...

... you are touching up on an important subject; especially with a 'fire and brimstone' approach towards those who take money for jyotish. I can understand someone surmising (based on axiomatic principles of ethics, dharma etc) that collecting fee for foretelling is OK/not OK. But, since you are making some folks feel guilty/defensive/displeased, that too by referring to the very name of God himself, I think you owe them to at least the source -scripture from which you proceeded to write, "Lord Siva told them this is science of fortelling which cannot and should not be charged ." One can look into the authenticity/merits of such a Purana (if it exists) later, since, I wonder why, "Lord Siva told them this is science of fortelling which cannot and should not be charged .the day you charge it your knowledge diminished slowly and suddenly" ? Why did Siva bother to discuss Karthikeya and Brahma fee-collection? Although, I like the term "slowly and suddenly"- reminds me of a

Jewish proverb-hasten slowly!

 

Also, you scare the folks by saying, "...so you have to take the some amount of bad luck of the person whom you tell." By the same token of karma (as per your standpoint), wont they get a chunk of good luck of the patron too?

I sincerely beleive that we need a better authority on these matters although for you, your great grandpa may be the ultimate authority, to quote your words, " my great grandpa passed to my grandma and to my mother and to me." Just like you dont share the (monetary) wealth that he passed on to you with us, pl. dont share this putative/dubious "esoteric wealth" either. What he said is perhaps for your family- I dont want to offend him. But pl. stop and think before lashing out at people with your startling "0.0001% accuracy" statistic.

This is just a request,

And wish you prosperous 2007 too!

****************************************************************************

The following portion is addressed to all:

I am curious to know how the sages that worked in the field of astrology and the author of such a purana survive. BTW, since Jyotish is a Vedanga, it is fair at this point to say that I am talking about all sages. I have great reverence to sages; I do not mean any offence. It is also very much possible that some of them had some other 'occupation'. I believe that a fair portion of the sages were by and large supported by the society for their services in the form of donations or alms or both; all the way up the ladder to Sankara and Buddha. It was an implicit agreement that the sages would dedicate their valuable time, knowledge, skills, in short resources, towards the upliftment of society and the society in turn, would support their subsistence and good causes. It was a perfect win-win situation since we all would agree that someone too good at prophesizing or healing an entire society shouldnt be let go of his focus due to the task of raising pittance for survival.

What applies to great sages, applies to lesser mortals in that field too; they have a stomach too...

In the current society, such a set-up is non existant, in general. That's why a fee is stipulated up-front whether it be the services of Pujari or jyotishi or anyone to do with religion/veda(nga)s. If you talk about a religious master with 96 Rolls Royce cars or pujaris with a mansion and luxury cars or Jyothishis with such obscene wealth (?!), it is a different story (and one wonders how much returns a guy expects from Providence, in return, for patronizing such millionaires!!!)

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Poster (Venkat/Eswaran whatever your good name is),

 

For your sake, I hope you are following your ancestral advice and

dispensing free readings daily or most days anyway!

 

And if you are doing this sincerely, you will come to the realization

as to why you were drawn to astrology and why you are doing what you

are doing and how! Believe me, that is the plus point, the biggest

gift that jyotish-sadhana brings to you, eventually :-)

 

Be sincere and ALWAYS practice before you are tempted to preach!

 

I am nearing retirement, don't take personal offence ;-)

 

RR

 

vedic astrology, venkateswaran <pv_eswaran

wrote:

>

> Dear All respected and learned astrologyers and astro-reader,

> Vedic astrology is science to help the needy people rather than

charging it directly or indirectly

>

> If you take the start of Vedic astrology , It is knowledge provided

to brahma by Lord Siva and also to his son Karthikeya, Lord Siva told

them this is science of fortelling which cannot and should not be

charged .the day you charge it your knowledge diminished slowly and

suddenly

>

> When see the people say that we charge for the consultation that

indicate there ignorance and aslo there knowledge is zero . Such

people interpreation will never going to be 100% nor 0.0001% true

>

> Moment you charge for this science you enter into karma of that

kriya , so you have to take the some amount of bad luck of the person

whom you tell

>

> I felt tell me convey this small message which my great grandpa

passed to my grandma and to my mother and to me , know to others on

the ocassion of Western's New Year of 2007

>

> Ram Ram !

>

> With Regards

> PV Eswaran

>

>

> biswajit chowdhury <chowdhury_biswajit wrote:

Dear GBPK,

> I appriciate your reply to RR.Hope your bold will go no.

> regards

> B.Chowdhury

> Kolkata.

>

> Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote:

> Dear RR

>

> ur story telling is fine pl address her issues as if u had

experienced such reverence and sure some stories and remedies will

also be in ur memory hep the poor women than scare/nore her.

>

> But If I were u will suggest some Subramanya [Kartikeya] kavachams

or stotra etc. then tell stories.

>

> G B Prashant Kumar

>

> Pl give personal data with some life events and dates, jobs,

marriage, family, kids.

> Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail

and CHAT consultations ARE CHARGEABLE!

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> vedic astrology

> Friday, December 22, 2006 9:10:13 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Dangerous Snakes Dreams always GOOD

or BAD ?? SHARING

>

> JUST SHARING! Don't bite me!!

>

> over the last thirty years -- have had many snake dreams including

> dreams of killing them -- and actually having experienced one instance

> where I killed a cobra and helped/witnessed a few other killings

> earlier in my childhood home!

>

> When it comes to survival or perceived survival -- trust a human

> always! There is nothing more CRUEL and CAPABLE at KILLING than

> him/her!! Now you know the full story behind our Scriptures!! !

>

> I was raised in a home that had a huge yard and even a jungle! It used

> to be a home where the Brit resident (circa pre 1947 I assume and

> hope?) lived and was a huge wooden home about 125 years old (back then

> in the 50s). Each monsoon, beams from the roofs would crash down as we

> slept outside to avoid the heat (no airconditioning back then!).

> Mosquito nets had been invented and in regular use -- in case some of

> the younger uninformed (;-)) folks are wondering!!

>

> Let me not spook you out completely by describing the fat rats that

> lived in the attic and came down the ventilator rope!

>

> Years later in another newer home -- oh in the 80s a cobra was spotted

> in the bathroom of that second home of mine, poised with hood

> stretched up but was it really ready to attack? I do not know! I was

> not there, physically!!

>

> I was never told what they finally did to that snake!

>

> The area I grew up in was heavily 'populated' with snakes, mostly

> Cobras! While fear was there, there was more of a feeling of reverence!

>

> I can through that experience of years understand and empathize with

> those who face rahu face to face -- in their private space, like a

> bathroom!

>

> But then, I grew up in an area that was under the blessing and direct

> protection of Mahakaal! I always and still believe that to be the case!

>

> No physical or worldly ties remain anymore with that realm but it does

> not go away from my memory! So, it must be important! Right?

>

> RR

>

> vedic astrology, geeta charan

<charangeeta@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Gurudev Sadar Pranam,

> >

> > Date - 23/08/1980

> > time - 1-4 am

> > Place - Boath Adilabad (AP)

> >

> >

> > My dreams are of big snakes and snake does bite me sometime But

> sometime he rans behind me. Plz suggest some remedy or what is meaning

> of these dreams ?? can any one has answers for these.

> >

> > As i m getting regularly these dreams and i m afraid of dreams.

> plz suggest.

> >

> > regds

> > geeta

> >

> > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger.

> Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php

> >

> >

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True. It is a science to help. Please visit my site of free resources on www.vedic.x3fusion.com/books.htm

 

sree ven <jyothishishya > wrote: Hi PV Eswaran, I am not a professional astrologer and teased (jovially) a family that brought fruits etc when they came to me a for a general consultation. Having said that, ...

 

.... you are touching up on an important subject; especially with a 'fire and brimstone' approach towards those who take money for jyotish. I can understand someone surmising (based on axiomatic principles of ethics, dharma etc) that collecting fee for foretelling is OK/not OK. But, since you are making some folks feel guilty/defensive/displeased, that too by referring to the very name of God himself, I think you owe them to at least the source -scripture from which you proceeded to write, "Lord Siva told them this is science of fortelling which cannot and should not be charged ." One can look into the authenticity/merits of such a Purana (if it exists) later, since, I wonder why, "Lord Siva told them this is science of fortelling which cannot and should not be charged .the day you charge it your knowledge diminished slowly and suddenly" ? Why did Siva bother to discuss Karthikeya and Brahma fee-collection? Although, I like the term "slowly and suddenly"- reminds me of a

Jewish proverb-hasten slowly!

 

Also, you scare the folks by saying, "...so you have to take the some amount of bad luck of the person whom you tell." By the same token of karma (as per your standpoint), wont they get a chunk of good luck of the patron too?

 

I sincerely beleive that we need a better authority on these matters although for you, your great grandpa may be the ultimate authority, to quote your words, " my great grandpa passed to my grandma and to my mother and to me." Just like you dont share the (monetary) wealth that he passed on to you with us, pl. dont share this putative/dubious "esoteric wealth" either. What he said is perhaps for your family- I dont want to offend him. But pl. stop and think before lashing out at people with your startling "0.0001% accuracy" statistic.

 

This is just a request,

 

And wish you prosperous 2007 too!

 

****************************************************************************

The following portion is addressed to all:

 

I am curious to know how the sages that worked in the field of astrology and the author of such a purana survive. BTW, since Jyotish is a Vedanga, it is fair at this point to say that I am talking about all sages. I have great reverence to sages; I do not mean any offence. It is also very much possible that some of them had some other 'occupation'. I believe that a fair portion of the sages were by and large supported by the society for their services in the form of donations or alms or both; all the way up the ladder to Sankara and Buddha. It was an implicit agreement that the sages would dedicate their valuable time, knowledge, skills, in short resources, towards the upliftment of society and the society in turn, would support their subsistence and good causes. It was a perfect win-win situation since we all would agree that someone too good at prophesizing or healing an entire society shouldnt be let go of his focus due to the task of raising pittance for survival.

What applies to great sages, applies to lesser mortals in that field too; they have a stomach too...

 

In the current society, such a set-up is non existant, in general. That's why a fee is stipulated up-front whether it be the services of Pujari or jyotishi or anyone to do with religion/veda(nga)s. If you talk about a religious master with 96 Rolls Royce cars or pujaris with a mansion and luxury cars or Jyothishis with such obscene wealth (?!), it is a different story (and one wonders how much returns a guy expects from Providence, in return, for patronizing such millionaires!!!)

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Poster (Venkat/Eswaran whatever your good name is),

 

For your sake, I hope you are following your ancestral advice and

dispensing free readings daily or most days anyway!

 

And if you are doing this sincerely, you will come to the realization

as to why you were drawn to astrology and why you are doing what you

are doing and how! Believe me, that is the plus point, the biggest

gift that jyotish-sadhana brings to you, eventually :-)

 

Be sincere and ALWAYS practice before you are tempted to preach!

 

I am nearing retirement, don't take personal offence ;-)

 

RR

 

vedic astrology, venkateswaran <pv_eswaran

wrote:

>

> Dear All respected and learned astrologyers and astro-reader,

> Vedic astrology is science to help the needy people rather than

charging it directly or indirectly

>

> If you take the start of Vedic astrology , It is knowledge provided

to brahma by Lord Siva and also to his son Karthikeya, Lord Siva told

them this is science of fortelling which cannot and should not be

charged .the day you charge it your knowledge diminished slowly and

suddenly

>

> When see the people say that we charge for the consultation that

indicate there ignorance and aslo there knowledge is zero . Such

people interpreation will never going to be 100% nor 0.0001% true

>

> Moment you charge for this science you enter into karma of that

kriya , so you have to take the some amount of bad luck of the person

whom you tell

>

> I felt tell me convey this small message which my great grandpa

passed to my grandma and to my mother and to me , know to others on

the ocassion of Western's New Year of 2007

>

> Ram Ram !

>

> With Regards

> PV Eswaran

>

>

> biswajit chowdhury <chowdhury_biswajit wrote:

Dear GBPK,

> I appriciate your reply to RR.Hope your bold will go no.

> regards

> B.Chowdhury

> Kolkata.

>

> Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote:

> Dear RR

>

> ur story telling is fine pl address her issues as if u had

experienced such reverence and sure some stories and remedies will

also be in ur memory hep the poor women than scare/nore her.

>

> But If I were u will suggest some Subramanya [Kartikeya] kavachams

or stotra etc. then tell stories.

>

> G B Prashant Kumar

>

> Pl give personal data with some life events and dates, jobs,

marriage, family, kids.

> Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail

and CHAT consultations ARE CHARGEABLE!

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> vedic astrology

> Friday, December 22, 2006 9:10:13 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Dangerous Snakes Dreams always GOOD

or BAD ?? SHARING

>

> JUST SHARING! Don't bite me!!

>

> over the last thirty years -- have had many snake dreams including

> dreams of killing them -- and actually having experienced one instance

> where I killed a cobra and helped/witnessed a few other killings

> earlier in my childhood home!

>

> When it comes to survival or perceived survival -- trust a human

> always! There is nothing more CRUEL and CAPABLE at KILLING than

> him/her!! Now you know the full story behind our Scriptures!! !

>

> I was raised in a home that had a huge yard and even a jungle! It used

> to be a home where the Brit resident (circa pre 1947 I assume and

> hope?) lived and was a huge wooden home about 125 years old (back then

> in the 50s). Each monsoon, beams from the roofs would crash down as we

> slept outside to avoid the heat (no airconditioning back then!).

> Mosquito nets had been invented and in regular use -- in case some of

> the younger uninformed (;-)) folks are wondering!!

>

> Let me not spook you out completely by describing the fat rats that

> lived in the attic and came down the ventilator rope!

>

> Years later in another newer home -- oh in the 80s a cobra was spotted

> in the bathroom of that second home of mine, poised with hood

> stretched up but was it really ready to attack? I do not know! I was

> not there, physically!!

>

> I was never told what they finally did to that snake!

>

> The area I grew up in was heavily 'populated' with snakes, mostly

> Cobras! While fear was there, there was more of a feeling of reverence!

>

> I can through that experience of years understand and empathize with

> those who face rahu face to face -- in their private space, like a

> bathroom!

>

> But then, I grew up in an area that was under the blessing and direct

> protection of Mahakaal! I always and still believe that to be the case!

>

> No physical or worldly ties remain anymore with that realm but it does

> not go away from my memory! So, it must be important! Right?

>

> RR

>

> vedic astrology, geeta charan

<charangeeta@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Gurudev Sadar Pranam,

> >

> > Date - 23/08/1980

> > time - 1-4 am

> > Place - Boath Adilabad (AP)

> >

> >

> > My dreams are of big snakes and snake does bite me sometime But

> sometime he rans behind me. Plz suggest some remedy or what is meaning

> of these dreams ?? can any one has answers for these.

> >

> > As i m getting regularly these dreams and i m afraid of dreams.

> plz suggest.

> >

> > regds

> > geeta

> >

> > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger.

> Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php

> >

> >