Important Points on Wearing of Rudraksh

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hello vikrant,

i actually don't agree... if i use my rudraksh to recite mantras to

her form as shankari matangi devi then she would delight in the fact

that i wore my rudraksh while taking a crap or eating spicy pork and

red wine... if i use it to pray to her form as kurukulla devi she'd

delight in the fact that i wear it during intercourse... if u disagree

that's fine, but u shouldn't feel it your duty to impose the standards

that you keep for yourself on others... it's like evangelical

hinduism... or brahminism... take your pick... i wear a rudraksh mala

which i use 2 recite japa... i adhere to none of the aforementioned

standards, but i respect the fact that you do... i hope you can see

that my approach deserves the same,

goddess bless,

krishna

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There are only certain varieties of rudrAksha that are used in virAbhava sadhana of Matangi and Kurukulla; with respect to sub species and phenotype, as well as the number of mukhis. I believe Vikrantji also mentioned prana pratishta of the Rudraksha with Shiva mantras so it was obviously in the context of Shaiva Siddhanta and at that daxinacharya. He had mentioned that one very precise guideline first and foremost, prior to going through the discipline. So it was never in reference of vIrAbhava of Shakti or Shiva.

 

Besides if you know and followv the gupta siddhanta of those devis you will also understand that you are one of very few practitioners. You would also understand that her iconography is not mentioned in such detail so that it be emulated literally. Such attempts are not only stupid but also impossible. For instance one cannot say that Chinnamasta would be satisfied with one's self decapitation.

Also, Matangi is normally worhshipped with Gunja or Red chandan mala and Kurukulla is normally worshipped with Maha Shankha or Padma Bija malas. I have never come across ANY tantra which suggests their puja [in the virAbhava context] be done with rudrAksha.

Even in Aghori parampara they cleanse their rudrAksha with bhasma [Hear say on my part, I have not come across avadhuta or aghori siddhanta texts; just sadhus who claim to be such]. I also believe he was asserting everyone that his suggestion be read, I dont think he intended to dictate those observances on anyone, its not possible to do that.

Standards are good, Vikrantji is only suggesting hygiene, respect and reverence. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong wtih that by any one's standards.

 

 

 

hello vikrant,

i actually don't agree... if i use my rudraksh to recite mantras to

her form as shankari matangi devi then she would delight in the fact

that i wore my rudraksh while taking a crap or eating spicy pork and

red wine... if i use it to pray to her form as kurukulla devi she'd

delight in the fact that i wear it during intercourse... if u disagree

that's fine, but u shouldn't feel it your duty to impose the standards

that you keep for yourself on others... it's like evangelical

hinduism... or brahminism... take your pick... i wear a rudraksh mala

which i use 2 recite japa... i adhere to none of the aforementioned

standards, but i respect the fact that you do... i hope you can see

that my approach deserves the same,

goddess bless,

krishna

 

 

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I know the temple in Thepperumalnallur, near Kumbakonam, Tanjore District called Kasi viswanathar temple, where the archana is done only with Rudraksha to the shiva linga, which is 1000 year old. No elders are there to excplain but I know for certain that the archana is done only with rudraksha, because I was born there and i am now 74. This rudraksha prasadam removes ailments, begets child for the childless couple, so on and so forth. Readers must have already known that we are taking up the renovation and reconstruction of this temple to perform kumbabishekam and look to devotees who can contribute for each segment.

Regards,

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN - SATHYANANDHANATHAR

 

 

 

kartik gaurav <omkaaraya .au>

 

Tuesday, January 2, 2007 4:52:45 PM

Re: Re: Important Points on Wearing of Rudraksh

 

 

There are only certain varieties of rudrAksha that are used in virAbhava sadhana of Matangi and Kurukulla; with respect to sub species and phenotype, as well as the number of mukhis. I believe Vikrantji also mentioned prana pratishta of the Rudraksha with Shiva mantras so it was obviously in the context of Shaiva Siddhanta and at that daxinacharya. He had mentioned that one very precise guideline first and foremost, prior to going through the discipline. So it was never in reference of vIrAbhava of Shakti or Shiva.

 

Besides if you know and followv the gupta siddhanta of those devis you will also understand that you are one of very few practitioners. You would also understand that her iconography is not mentioned in such detail so that it be emulated literally. Such attempts are not only stupid but also impossible. For instance one cannot say that Chinnamasta would be satisfied with one's self decapitation.

Also, Matangi is normally worhshipped with Gunja or Red chandan mala and Kurukulla is normally worshipped with Maha Shankha or Padma Bija malas. I have never come across ANY tantra which suggests their puja [in the virAbhava context] be done with rudrAksha.

Even in Aghori parampara they cleanse their rudrAksha with bhasma [Hear say on my part, I have not come across avadhuta or aghori siddhanta texts; just sadhus who claim to be such]. I also believe he was asserting everyone that his suggestion be read, I dont think he intended to dictate those observances on anyone, its not possible to do that.

Standards are good, Vikrantji is only suggesting hygiene, respect and reverence. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong wtih that by any one's standards.

 

hello vikrant,

i actually don't agree... if i use my rudraksh to recite mantras to

her form as shankari matangi devi then she would delight in the fact

that i wore my rudraksh while taking a crap or eating spicy pork and

red wine... if i use it to pray to her form as kurukulla devi she'd

delight in the fact that i wear it during intercourse. .. if u disagree

that's fine, but u shouldn't feel it your duty to impose the standards

that you keep for yourself on others... it's like evangelical

hinduism... or brahminism.. . take your pick... i wear a rudraksh mala

which i use 2 recite japa... i adhere to none of the aforementioned

standards, but i respect the fact that you do... i hope you can see

that my approach deserves the same,

goddess bless,

krishna

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SHANGARANARAYANAN Ji

Namaskar!

if you don't mind I would like to know for my knowledge, The temple being 1000 years old , don't you think ASI of Govt of India will do the renovation at Govt's cost?

They denied any funds or we have not approached?

Thanks and Regards,

Srinivas Kolluri

 

sangar narayanan <mackro1932 > wrote:

I know the temple in Thepperumalnallur, near Kumbakonam, Tanjore District called Kasi viswanathar temple, where the archana is done only with Rudraksha to the shiva linga, which is 1000 year old. No elders are there to excplain but I know for certain that the archana is done only with rudraksha, because I was born there and i am now 74. This rudraksha prasadam removes ailments, begets child for the childless couple, so on and so forth. Readers must have already known that we are taking up the renovation and reconstruction of this temple to perform kumbabishekam and look to devotees who can contribute for each segment.

Regards,

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN - SATHYANANDHANATHAR

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hello vikrant,

this has nothing to do with iconography... it has to do with the

deities and the general ethos that relates to them... if it is

prescribed that one should offer a half eaten plate of food to a deity

with soiled hands and mouth, as is the case with matangi, it's almost

laughable that one would pay respect to such stringent hygiene

standards in regard to the mala that one uses to recite mantras of the

very deity that takes delght in such levels of pollution... and as for

chinnamasta and self-decapitation... at tamareshwari in assam, a

center for shaktic activity, a temple now in ruins that used to hold

ugra tara as it's main deity human sacrifice was quite common place

and the way it was carried out was the decapitation of the prostrated

devotee by the pujari, in sanctum sanctorum, in front of the deity...

and i see absolutely nothing abhorrent or pejorative about it... she

who gives also takes back... and yes matangi and kurukulla may be

worshiped with certain malas and it may all be very specific and

calculated, but i don't hae any guru to speak of other than myself...

i don't belong to any 'parampara', i've taught myself all the mantras

i know, this may be frowned upon but i sincerely don't give a toss...

the only thing i'm careful about is that i pronounce them 108 times

and that tara's gayatri be pronounced only at sun rise and sun set and

possibly at noon and midnight, the rest isn't of much importance to

me, neither is it something of relevance, as far as i'm concerned...

and it may not have beeen his intention to dictate but i certainly

observed an unmistakeably authoritarian tone underlying some of the

proclamations made in his email... if this was an erroneous assumption

on my part then i apologise... but it's all too common for those who

think things should be done in a certain way to think that the next

logical step is to establish that every other person be subject to the

same adherence... i challenge that notion... and again, if this wasn't

his intention then that's great... but i'm wearing my mala right now,

haven't removed it in days... well i have, but only to recite jappa,

and that's purely and utterly my prerogative... and no one can tell me

otherwise...

goddess bless,

krish

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i'm sorry, i meant to address the last post to kartik, not vikrant again...

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Hi Krishna:

 

I agree with you in finding Vikrant's "rules and regulations"

concerning mala usage a bit on the hardcore (and rather bossy) side

of the "purity" scale ... however, I also agree with Kartik that he

was pretty clearly referring to Shaiva practice, for which many

would indeed consider these reasonable injunctions.

 

As for worship of Matangi Devi, I am no expert, but may know a thing

or two that could assist. What you are describing is Uccista

Matangi ... but do not forget that She has many other aspects as

well, notably Raja Matangi, prime minister of Lalita Herself.

 

The "leftover" and "impure" dynamic you are arguing for could be

construed as overly sthula in nature. Beyond these most basic and

overt ideas lies, for example, the process by which unstruck sound

(pure and transcendent/quantum) becomes manifest (impure, or rather,

imperfectly manifest in time-space) -- the very dynamic of mantra

science itself.

 

So offering leftover food and not washing your hands after using the

bathroom is all well and good if it gives you some useful sense of

transgression or whatever. But do not get so stuck in trying to

please Her through these sorts of things that you to not see beyond

their actual meaning. Think about it anyway.

 

With love and best wishes for a healthy, happy and spiritually

fulfilling 2007 ...

 

DB

 

 

, "krishna pillai"

<krish.pillai wrote:

>

> hello vikrant,

> this has nothing to do with iconography... it has to do with the

> deities and the general ethos that relates to them... if it is

> prescribed that one should offer a half eaten plate of food to a

deity

> with soiled hands and mouth, as is the case with matangi, it's

almost

> laughable that one would pay respect to such stringent hygiene

> standards in regard to the mala that one uses to recite mantras of

the

> very deity that takes delght in such levels of pollution... and as

for

> chinnamasta and self-decapitation... at tamareshwari in assam, a

> center for shaktic activity, a temple now in ruins that used to

hold

> ugra tara as it's main deity human sacrifice was quite common place

> and the way it was carried out was the decapitation of the

prostrated

> devotee by the pujari, in sanctum sanctorum, in front of the

deity...

> and i see absolutely nothing abhorrent or pejorative about it...

she

> who gives also takes back... and yes matangi and kurukulla may be

> worshiped with certain malas and it may all be very specific and

> calculated, but i don't hae any guru to speak of other than

myself...

> i don't belong to any 'parampara', i've taught myself all the

mantras

> i know, this may be frowned upon but i sincerely don't give a

toss...

> the only thing i'm careful about is that i pronounce them 108 times

> and that tara's gayatri be pronounced only at sun rise and sun set

and

> possibly at noon and midnight, the rest isn't of much importance to

> me, neither is it something of relevance, as far as i'm

concerned...

> and it may not have beeen his intention to dictate but i certainly

> observed an unmistakeably authoritarian tone underlying some of the

> proclamations made in his email... if this was an erroneous

assumption

> on my part then i apologise... but it's all too common for those

who

> think things should be done in a certain way to think that the next

> logical step is to establish that every other person be subject to

the

> same adherence... i challenge that notion... and again, if this

wasn't

> his intention then that's great... but i'm wearing my mala right

now,

> haven't removed it in days... well i have, but only to recite

jappa,

> and that's purely and utterly my prerogative... and no one can

tell me

> otherwise...

> goddess bless,

> krish

>

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>>>>>hello vikrant,

this has nothing to do with iconography... it has to do with the

deities and the general ethos that relates to them... if it is

prescribed that one should offer a half eaten plate of food to a deity

with soiled hands and mouth, as is the case with matangi, it's almost

laughable that one would pay respect to such stringent hygiene

standards in regard to the mala that one uses to recite mantras of the

very deity that takes delght in such levels of pollution.

 

 

I cannot really comment on the practice you are mentioning, as Matangi is an integral part of my parampara. However, I have never come across such practices in her sadhana. Only such dhyana on her. Also this is going besides the point, if you point out a specific text which instructs Matangi worship in such a way, and also says that it is permissible/advisable to use rudraksha in such a practice then basically I will shut up. You are trying to combine imicible components together.

 

 

 

>>>>chinnamasta and self-decapitation... at tamareshwari in assam, a

center for shaktic activity, a temple now in ruins that used to hold

ugra tara as it's main deity human sacrifice was quite common place

and the way it was carried out was the decapitation of the prostrated

devotee by the pujari, in sanctum sanctorum, in front of the deity...

and i see absolutely nothing abhorrent or pejorative about it... she

who gives also takes back...

 

This is ridiculous. There is no proof that this is WHAT devi wants. Its another story if Kings executed their enemies in such a way, and if people want to euthanize themselves then it is their own will. Otherwise, in our time and era, it is murder.

>>>>>>>>>>>>and yes matangi and kurukulla may be

worshiped with certain malas and it may all be very specific and

calculated, but i don't hae any guru to speak of other than myself...

i don't belong to any 'parampara', i've taught myself all the mantras

i know, this may be frowned upon but i sincerely don't give a toss...

There is no tantra on earth which says one can take up mantras without Guru. If there is then it is outnumbered by those with the opposing view. This fact already became apparent, since I believe you dont have the complete diksha in Matangi. If one does vama and calls on her, it is a matter of days one gets Mantra siddhi. The anumAna for this, I believe is not written anywhere. One who worships Matangi knows that her nature and puja must be kept secret above all things. My Guru actually spent decades in HER puja, particularly as Ucchista Chandalini, I have never come across such a practice either from him or the tantras prescribed by him.

 

All I know is that Karna Pishachini and Dhumavati sadhana have similar practices observed. I am not saying Matangi isnt worshipped in this manner, I am just saying I dont know jack all about that aspect of worship so would like to share that before someone sends me an angry email.

 

>>>>>the only thing i'm careful about is that i pronounce them 108 times

and that tara's gayatri be pronounced only at sun rise and sun set and

possibly at noon and midnight, the rest isn't of much importance to

me, neither is it something of relevance, as far as i'm concerned...

and it may not have beeen his intention to dictate but i certainly

observed an unmistakeably authoritarian tone underlying some of the

proclamations made in his email... if this was an erroneous assumption

on my part then i apologise... but it's all too common for those who

think things should be done in a certain way to think that the next

logical step is to establish that every other person be subject to the

same adherence... i challenge that notion... and again, if this wasn't

his intention then that's great... but i'm wearing my mala right now,

haven't removed it in days... well i have, but only to recite jappa,

and that's purely and utterly my prerogative... and no one can tell me

otherwise...

goddess bless,

krish

I also agree here, but I laughed instead of scolding the guy. I think the intent for his email was to inform. I take it like that anyways. I am also of the opinion that namasmarana of Devi requires no Guru, however all her mantras do. I have friends who chose not to have Guru and do her sadhana, it took a lot longer for them to see any effects. I am not saying that Her sadhana cannot work without guru, that is a decision entirely up to Her. However, she is the one who protects the paramparA in the first place. I wish you all the best in your sadhanas.

 

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Dear Srinivas Kolluri,

 

The Archeological department(State) helps only to a certain extent and there are so many hurdles, restrictions, expectations etc., people prefer to do such renovation themselves. Most of these temples do not have archaka to do daily rituals and many remain closed even without a lamp lit. That is our fate.For instance TVS group renovates various temples at their own cost, eventhough they take formal permission from the HRCE Board of the respective states.

What to do. It is like this here in Tamilnadu.

Regards,

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

 

 

 

srinivas kolluri <ksvas97 >

 

Wednesday, January 3, 2007 9:25:37 AM

Re: Re: Important Points on Wearing of Rudraksh

 

SHANGARANARAYANAN Ji

Namaskar!

if you don't mind I would like to know for my knowledge, The temple being 1000 years old , don't you think ASI of Govt of India will do the renovation at Govt's cost?

They denied any funds or we have not approached?

Thanks and Regards,

Srinivas Kolluri

 

sangar narayanan <mackro1932 > wrote:

I know the temple in Thepperumalnallur, near Kumbakonam, Tanjore District called Kasi viswanathar temple, where the archana is done only with Rudraksha to the shiva linga, which is 1000 year old. No elders are there to excplain but I know for certain that the archana is done only with rudraksha, because I was born there and i am now 74. This rudraksha prasadam removes ailments, begets child for the childless couple, so on and so forth. Readers must have already known that we are taking up the renovation and reconstruction of this temple to perform kumbabishekam and look to devotees who can contribute for each segment.

Regards,

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN - SATHYANANDHANATHAR

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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hey guys... will reply soon... in the process of moving... from the

usa back 2 india... so i'm slightly busy... but i definately still

have one or 2 things 2 clarify... till then...

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this message is my honest effort to make people more aware & informed on rudraksh....

if u like my message & IF u wish then u can forward my complete message(as it is) to other people(that u know in ur social circle around u) who may be wearing rudraksh so that these people can read my message & be well informed on rudraksh & thereby respect rudraksh(which is lord shiva) ......

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kartik gaurav <omkaaraya .au> wrote:

Namaste,

 

Is there are specific source for this information? Such a upanishad or samhita?

 

I had always had the view that the adornment of the rudrAksha is very much like yagyopavita. I think rudrAksha jabala mentions how a rudrAksha mala can be an equivalent substitute for the yagyopavita.

 

Also, If you could kindly tell how one can differentiate between an authentic rakta one mukhi compared to fakes. I have completely given up on the light coloured variety [commonly called chikna].

 

Jaya Jaya Tripura

 

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