Quotes of Narayana Maharaja on Prabhupada's books?

[Guruvani]

I am looking for quotes from Narayana Maharaja where he recommends reading the books of Srila Prabhupada.

If anyone can supply such quotes, please post them in this topic.

 

I want to see quotes from Narayana Maharaja where he endorses and supports the reading of the books of Srila Prabhupada.

[Guest guest]

Germany: December 12, 2001

So try to be very strong. Read the books of your Prabhupada, and also my books. My books will give you further strength to defeat all the arguments against him. Don't be weak.

 

Alachua, Florida: February 4, 2003

By the order and by the mercy of his gurudeva, Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja went everywhere in this world. He went to western and eastern countries, and he preached the mission of our guru-parampara in the line of Srila Rupa Gosvami, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada. It is very wonderful how, in a couple of years, he preached all over the world – in forests, on islands in the midst of oceans, on the tops of hills, and everywhere else. How was it possible?

It was possible because he translated so many authorized books, like Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Srimad Bhagavatam and Sri Bhagavad-gita as it is, and he ordered his disciples to distribute them in public places – includingeven churches, airports, supermarkets, and railway stations. At that time, beautiful teenage girls preached everywhere, with no shyness, dancing here and there – and they distributed his books. They went everywhere chanting: "Sri Krsna Caitanya Prabhu Nityananda Sri Advaita Gadhadara Srivasadi Gaura Bhakta Vrnda," and "Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare."

By this kirtana, and by writing and distributing books, almost the entire world knew about him; and this mission was preached everywhere in a couple of years. I also want this. Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is my siksa-guru. Also, my diksa gurudeva, Srila Bhaktiprajnana Kesava Gosvami Maharaja, told me to translate books, from their original languages, and I am doing so. Up to now, about 50 books have been published, and they are both supplementary and complementary to the books of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja.

For Proper Understanding of Srila Prabhupada's Books

 

Tridandisvami Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja

 

Some people have doubts. They think that Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja has said that women and black people are very low. The fact is that he has not said it, and it is actually a wrong idea – a very wrong idea. You should know you are neither male nor female. The soul is transcendental – a servant of Lord Sri Krsna, but we have now accepted a female or male form.

 

It is not that the intelligence is low in ladies and high in men. It is also not true that black people are necessarily sudras. Who are sudras? Those who eat cow-flesh and drink alcohol, and those who cheat others. Sudras are those engaged in diplomacy, hypocrisy and envy – whether they are black or white. I will speak something more on this topic, with reference to Srimad-Bhagavatam.

 

You should know that we are all spirit souls. The soul is not white or black. All souls are very beautiful. Regarding the transcendental form of the soul, there is no question of who is less intelligent or more intelligent. If ladies are so low-class and so low in intelligence, how could the gopis have defeated even Lord Sri Krsna? *[see Endnote 2] Why does our guru-parampara, beginning from Brahma and Narada, worship the gopis? Why did Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu – Sri Krsna Himself – adopt Srimati Radha's mood? Srimati Radhika always defeats Krsna in beauty, in intelligence, and in all other ways. If ladies are less, why do we Gaudiya Vaisnavas want to be gopis? Who in our Gaudiya parampara does not want to be a gopi? We want to serve Lord Krsna and Srimati Radhika in a female form, not a male form. So how is it possible that this female form is lower? Don’t think like this.

 

It has been sometimes stated in the scriptures that there are some specialities in ladies; ladies can have children. Men cannot do this, not even if they were to have an operation. If a man has an operation to become a lady, still he cannot have children. Also, ladies are very affectionate. They always have a service-mood. A boy will say, "Sister, give me water. Mother, give me water." But ladies will not say, "Oh, brother, Oh father, give me water." These are specialties.

 

Some persons think that Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja and the scriptures discern someone's qualities on the basis of birth. This is not true. *[see Endnote 3] Srila Vyasadeva appeared in a family of sudras, and Sri Narada Rsi was also born in a sudra-family. However, whoever calls them sudras will go to hell. Srila Haridasa Thakura was born in a Muslim family. He appeared in a family in which cows were slaughtered and their flesh eaten, but he is not a Muslim.

 

Ramananda Raya said about himself, "I am sudra." This is trnad-api-sunicena – humility. Mahaprabhu said about Himself, "I am a Mayavadi sannyasi." Was he a Mayavadi sannyasi? Of course not. Do not think that He was a Mayavadi. One may say that He Himself said so, but He said so only out of trinad-api-sunicena.

 

Throw out all these doubts – the ideas that Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja has written something against ladies and black people. It is not correct. If anyone has explained his words in this way, perhaps they didn’t understand his idea. Perhaps they have made mistakes in their editing. He, or anyone like him, will never write like this. What is written in the Bhagavatam is true.

 

 

The Hague, Holland: July 13, 2005

 

Some persons have told me that when they read Pujyapada Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja's translations of Srimad-Bhagavatam, and especially his purports, they lose their faith in Krsna-consciousness. They say this is because his books state that ladies are inferior, and that black people are all sudras and cannot have bhakti. So many people who were in ISKCON left because of this.

 

In this regard, I want to tell you all that in the Bhagavad-gita it is written:

 

mam hi partha vyapasritya

ye ’pi syuh papa-yonayah

striyo vaisyas tatha sudras

te ’pi yanti param gatim

 

[At this time Srila Narayana Maharaja called on a devotee to read the translation, as it is written in a 1970 BBT printing.]

 

[Devotee reads aloud:] "O son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth – women, vaisyas (merchants) and sudras (workers) – can attain the supreme destination." (Bhagavad Gita 9.32)]

 

 

[Devotee:] Sri Krsna is saying, "O Arjuna, those who take shelter of Me, although they may be of a lower birth, like women, vaisyas and sudras, can still attain the supreme destination.

 

[srila Narayana Maharaja:] What you have explained is totally wrong. This is why they are confused and have doubts. Mam hi partha vyapasrtya. After the word 'papa-yoniya' (sinful species) there should be a comma, not a hyphen, and not the word 'like'. Stri – women – are not papa-yoni. Sudras are also not papa-yoni. Who are papa-yoni? Srimad-Bhagavatam explains this:

 

kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa

abhira-sumbha yavanah khasadayah

ye 'nye ca papa yad-apasrayasrayah

sudhyanti tasmai prabhavisnave namah

 

["Kirata, Huna, Andhra, Pulinda, Pulkasa, Abhira, Sumbha, Yavana, members of the Khasa races and even others addicted to sinful acts can be purified by taking shelter of the devotees of the Lord, due to His being the supreme power. I beg to offer my respectful obeisances unto Him." (Srimad Bhagavatam 2.4.18)]

 

They are papa-yoni, because they have no Krsna-consciousness. They eat meat and eggs, and they drink wine and large quantities of alcohol. They smoke and engage in so many sinful activities. They are papa-yoni. For stri (women), it has only been said that they have some monthly impurity. They are not inferior.

 

Regarding sudras, who is Sri Narada Rsi? In what class was he born? Narada was a dasi-putra, the son of a maidservant. Was he low class? Srila Vyasadeva was born from the womb of a sudra mother, and Prahlada was the son of an atheistic demon. Vidura was also born of a sudra mother, and there are so many others like him. Should we reject them? According to the Vedic system of classification, women, vaisyas and sudras are not papa-yoni. Nowhere has this been written.

 

Another misunderstanding of Srila Swami Maharaja's intention is found in the edited and published version of his purport to Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.26.26. We find there:

 

"Generally when a woman is attacked by a man – whether her husband or some other man – she enjoys the attack, being too lusty." *[see Endnote 4]

 

In the verse itself, nothing like this has been written – that ladies are less-intelligent, or that they cannot perform bhajana, or that they are lusty and men are not so. The verse states: "My dear Queen, due to my sinful desires I went to the forest to hunt without asking you. Therefore I must admit that I have offended you. Nonetheless, thinking of me as your most intimate subordinate, you should still be very much pleased with me. Factually I am very much bereaved, but being pierced by the arrow of Cupid, I am feeling lusty. But where is the beautiful woman who would give up her lusty husband and refuse to unite with him?"

 

It has never been written that men are not very lusty. Men are also lusty. *[see Endnote 5] Moreover, it is the soul who comes in a male-form or women-form; so all are equal.

 

All the Rsis of Dandakaranya were male. They prayed to Lord Ramacandra, "We want to be like the gopis." Then, by Lord Rama's mercy they became perfectly self-realized and went to Vraja. There, taking birth from the wombs of gopis, they attained the forms of gopis. Were they less intelligent? We should not think like that.

 

Srila Swami Maharaja has written that in some cases there is some speciality in women and in some cases some speciality in male. This has also been told in Srimad-Bhagavatam. So we should not think that ladies cannot perform bhakti or that they are less intelligent or inferior – nor should we think that Srila Swami Maharaja has said so.

 

It is stated in Sri Jagadananda Pandita's Prema-Vivarta,

 

yadi caha pranaya rakhite gaurangera sane

chota haridasera katha thake yena mane

 

["If you wish to associate with Caitanya Mahaprabhu, you must always remember the incident of Chota Haridasa and how he was rejected by the Lord."]

 

What is the meaning? Ladies are very attractive and beautiful, so men should not mix with them. But ladies are also advised not to mix with men. The advice is for both. We should not think that ladies are inferior or less intelligent. We should not think in this way.

 

Those with doubts have quoted a statement from Srila Swami Maharaja's purport: "It may be clearly said that the understanding of a woman is always inferior to the understanding of a man." In the original verse it hasn’t been written like this. I think that some of the purports given by Srila Swami Maharaja have been somewhat changed by editors. I have read Srila Swami Maharaja's books in their entirety, and therefore I know that he would never write like this.

 

I don’t agree with this statement, and he could never have written it. You should try to reconcile such statements, and don’t be worried about this. What has been written in Srimad-Bhagavatam is all right, and if something in the purport is different from the Srimad-Bhagavatam version, it is due to the fact that the editing was incorrect.

 

Do you know Lord Brahma? He begot a beautiful daughter named Sarasvati and began pursuing her. She at once became a lady deer and began to run, and he became a male deer. Marici was present and he said, "Father, what are you doing? You are intelligent. You should know that everybody will laugh at you. Don't do this." Marici's six sons began to laugh, and then Lord Brahma cursed them. They became the sons of Kalanemi, and in their following birth they became the six sons of Devaki, who were killed by Kamsa. They could not understand Lord Brahma, but Marici understood. He did not commit an offence, but they did so. We should be very careful.

 

I read everything that Srila Swami Maharaja wrote, and everything is ok – the only thing is that there is some mis-editing. Some persons cannot reconcile. They say papa-yoni, meaning sinful, necessarily applies to ladies. This is quite wrong.

 

It is stated in Srimad-Bhagavatam:

 

purnah pulindya urugaya-padabja-raga

sri-kunkumena dayita-stana-manditena

tad-darsana-smara-rujas trna-rusitena

limpantya anana-kucesu jahus tad-adhim

 

["Some other Vraja gopi said: O sakhis! We consider the young aborigine women (Pulindis) to be truly blessed and successful, because they possess extraordinary attachment (anuraga) for Sri Krsna within their hearts. When they see our dearmost beloved Krsna, an intense desire to meet with Him is aroused within their hearts. Their hearts are struck with the disease of love. At that time, they smear their breasts and faces with the reddish kunkuma powder collected from the grass of Vrindavana. The beloved gopis of Krsna had adorned their breasts with this kunkuma powder and it then becomes affixed to Sri Krsna's lotus feet. When Syamasundara walks about Vrndavana, the grass becomes covered with this powder. The supremely fortunate Pulindi girls smear their breasts and faces with this powder, and in this way they alleviate the anguish of their love." (Srimad Bhagavatam 10.21.17)]

 

In the chapter called Venu-gita, Srimati Radhika prays that in Her next life she will take birth as a Pulinda girl. Although the Pulinda girls are born in families of aborigine tribesmen and have menial jobs like carrying firewood, Radhika says, "The Pulinda girls are most fortunate, because they place the dust of the lotus feet of Krsna on their breasts. I want to be a Pulinda girl." So you should not worry about a lady's so called high or low birth.

 

[Question:] Could you explain what Krsna meant when He said in the Bhagavad-gita that women, vaisyas and sudras are less than brahmanas and ksatriyas? We read that in Srila Prabhupada's translation.

 

[srila Narayana Maharaja:] Brahmana refers to "brahma-jnanati". Such bramanas are self-realized; they are not like the brahmanas of Kali-yuga. If a Vaisnava is really a Vaisnava, he will have no lust or anger, or any other bad qualities. If he has no envy, greed, pride or illusion, then he is brahmana. He is victorious over the six bad qualities. At that time, when Lord Sri Krsna spoke Bhagavad-gita, Vasistha, Atri, and so many other exalted devotees were present. They were real brahmanas. *[see Endnote 6]

 

The ksatriyas were engaged in war, in controlling the state, in taking taxes, and in many other political activities. The vaisyas were engaged in business and farming, but they also served the Vaisnavas and brahmanas. Then striya – ladies – they have children, and engage in such activities as serving their husbands and doing household work. For this reason it has been told that vaisyas, women and sudras are less than brahmanas and ksatriyas. But this has not been told about women like Arundhati, or Anasuya, Gargi, Gangamata Thakurani, Jahnava Thakurani or Hemlata Thakurani. This does not refer to them.

 

 

The Hague, Holland: July 14, 2005

 

I want to explain something regarding my class yesterday. In the Bhagavad-gita Sri Krsna made a statement about women:

 

mam hi partha vyapasritya

ye ’pi syuh papa-yonayah

striyo vaisyas tatha sudras

te ’pi yanti param gatim

 

What is the meaning? Srila Swami Maharaja has written: "O son of Pritha, anyone who will take shelter in Me…" This is very clear. "…whether a woman, or a merchant, or born in a low family, can yet approach the Supreme Destination." [Translation taken from the 1968 edition of Bhagavad-gita]

 

This is a very good translation. Everything is clear. This is the first edition, and it is clear here. Then, in the next edition which came out soon after that, I think the translation was changed to "not As It Is." Because the editors have no realization, they were bound to change the punctuation and wording to make it look like all women are of a low, sinful birth, less intelligent and so on. You should know the truth. If you want to know, you can read his original books. "O son of Pritha, anyone who will take shelter in Me" – very clear – "whether a woman, or a merchant, or born in a low family, can yet approach the Supreme Destination."

 

This is the original.

 

Amsterdam, Holland: July 15, 2005 – Darsana at Schiphol Airport

 

[Question:] Gurudeva, the other night you were speaking about the wrong editing of our Srila Prabhupada's books. Having heard your class, some devotees may become afraid to read his books now, doubting all his published books. They may be wondering if they are really getting Prabhupada, or someone else. Can you say something about that?

 

[srila Narayana Maharaja:] They should carefully read the books of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. They should read all his books. Generally there will be no doubt, but where there is some doubt, they should see his original writing. There are so many changes in Srimad-Bhagavatam also.

 

[Question:] For many years it was preached in ISKCON that women are less intelligent than men.

 

[srila Narayana Maharaja:] Both women and men are transcendental parts of Krsna – jiva-tattva. Regarding their being less intelligent than men, there is no question of that.

 

[Question:] Then we could also say that if there is any doubt, the reader can go and ask a pure devotee. Yaha, bhagavata pada vaisnavera sthane

 

["If you want to understand Srimad-Bhagavatam, you must approach a self-realized Vaisnava and hear from him." (Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya-lila 5.131)]

 

[srila Narayana Maharaja:] They should see the original version.

 

[Question:] But even during Srila Prabhupada's lifetime, even the first time a book was published it had mistakes, because his disciples were new devotees at that time, including the editors.

 

[srila Narayana Maharaja:] My books also; they should not be changed. What I am writing or translating should stay the same. The editors should not try to explain more. If they will do that, they may fail. They may write something wrong.

[Guest guest]

Paderborn, Germany: April 9, 2006

 

Don't be weak. Don’t give up chanting. Remember your guru-mantra and gayatri mantras daily – three times a day. Don't take alcohol or marijuana or things like that. Be strict. Always remember to read my books and the books of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and try to understand them. Hear hari-katha from superiors. Don't criticize any Vaisnava. If you don't like someone, don't associate with him; but don’t criticize him. Always be strong.

[Guest guest]

Tour Report

Sri Giriraja Govardhana Gaudiya Matha

September 18, 2005

Srila Narayana Maharaja explained that Prabhupada came to give Gaura-vani. "Aradhyo bhagavän vrajesa-tanayas tad-dhama vrndavanam…" – the gopis' worship of Lord Krsna is supreme. Prabhupada didn't express this elaborately in his speeches, but he did so in his books. Prabhupada knew that later on, if his disciples would read his books and become qualified in bhajana, they would realize what is in his books.

 

Srila Narayana Maharaja said, "When I would go to the West, some people say there is a difference between Srila Prabhupada and myself. Yes, there is definitely a difference. He was shorter, and I am taller and thinner. These are the differences. Sometimes there are differences in our words, but not in our mood. Now when I go to the West, people are gradually understanding this more and more and coming to hear from me.

[Guruvani]

so, in the last 30 years, Narayan Maharaja has made maybe two or three references to reading the books of Srila Prabhupada and feels a need to mention something about Srila Prabhupada having a reputation as being a racist and a woman hater?

OK, I think I get the picture.

 

I would now like to hear of any occasion where Narayana Maharaja gave a class from any of the books of Srila Prabhupada?

 

anything there?

 

silence?

[Guest guest]

 

so, in the last 30 years, Narayan Maharaja has made maybe two or three references to reading the books of Srila Prabhupada and feels a need to mention something about Srila Prabhupada having a reputation as being a racist and a woman hater?

OK, I think I get the picture.

 

I would now like to hear of any occasion where Narayana Maharaja gave a class from any of the books of Srila Prabhupada?

 

anything there?

 

silence?

He was defending Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada against those who were saying he was a racist and a woman hater.

[Guruvani]

 

He was defending Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada against those who were saying he was a racist and a woman hater.

 

So, it is a fact that Narayana Maharaja never preaches or gives class from the books of Srila Prabhupada?

[Guest guest]

"his is a very good translation. Everything is clear. This is the first edition, and it is clear here. Then, in the next edition which came out soon after that, I think the translation was changed to "not As It Is." Because the editors have no realization, they were bound to change the punctuation and wording to make it look like all women are of a low, sinful birth, less intelligent and so on. You should know the truth. If you want to know, you can read his original books. "O son of Pritha, anyone who will take shelter in Me" – very clear – "whether a woman, or a merchant, or born in a low family, can yet approach the Supreme Destination."

[Guruvani]

 

He was defending Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada against those who were saying he was a racist and a woman hater.

 

But it is the Vedic scriptures that present these racist and woman hating ideas, so why does he say that is it being blamed on Srila Prabhupada?

 

Doesn't Narayana Maharaja know that the Vedic shastra is racist and prejudiced against women?

 

Why does he say it is blamed on Srila Prabhupada?

 

Doesn't Narayana Maharaja to the Vedic idea of women and tribal peoples?

[Guruvani]

 

"his is a very good translation. Everything is clear. This is the first edition, and it is clear here. Then, in the next edition which came out soon after that, I think the translation was changed to "not As It Is." Because the editors have no realization, they were bound to change the punctuation and wording to make it look like all women are of a low, sinful birth, less intelligent and so on. You should know the truth. If you want to know, you can read his original books. "O son of Pritha, anyone who will take shelter in Me" – very clear – "whether a woman, or a merchant, or born in a low family, can yet approach the Supreme Destination."

Oh my god!

The editors are not to blame for what is in the books of Srila Prabhupada.

 

The facts are, Narayana Maharaja is criticizing Srila Prabhupada indirectly, but I for one am not so stupid as to not see that.

 

Prabhupada said what he said and Narayana Maharaja is trying to present himself as the hero when in fact he abandoned a young wife wife two children to become a sannyasi and live off of the hard work of other people.

[Guruvani]

Narayan Maharaja is a women hater, otherwise he would not have abandoned a devout Hindu wife and his two children to become a bearded holy man living off of the hard-earned money of working detotees

[theist]

I don't think it is an imperative that every vaisnava guru lecture from Srila Prabhupada's books as long as the lecture is in line with the disciplic conclusion then it is the same siddhanta.

 

Where is the problem?

[Guest guest]

Los Angeles, May 30, 2000

“So we should be like a family - not thinking that we are enemies. There should be no fear at all. Why fear? If we want to serve Radha-Krishna in the same line as our predecessor acaryas, why fear? Helping each other, therefore, we should follow the mission of Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami Maharaja, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, our Gurudeva, and Srila Rupa and Sanatana Gosvamis; and be happy. Then we may see that ISKCON will be changed. I went to so many places in the world, and I saw that nowadays hardly anyone honors ISKCON leaders, nor their god-brothers, nor even third class devotees. No one honors anyone. That is why they are losing so much. If they properly respect each other, and also chant and remember, they must change.”

 

“No one honors anyone. That is why they are losing so much. If they properly respect each other, and also chant and remember, they must change.”

Again

“No one honors anyone. That is why they are losing so much. If they properly respect each other, and also chant and remember, they must change.”

“NO ONE HONORS ANYONE. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE LOSING SO MUCH”

Now don’t try to turn this around and say that he is supporting fallen persons, because it is not true.

You need to stop being offensive, you have a basically good heart. Save yourself first. By offending Srila Narayana Maharaja you are not doing this "for preaching purposes"; your are simply expressing your own anger which is a transformation of lust. For you own sake , please stop.

[Guruvani]

so, in other words, Narayana Maharaja has never given a class from the books of Srila Prabhupada, yet he claims that Srila Prabhupada is his siksha guru?

 

I call that lies.

[Guest guest]

 

Narayan Maharaja is a women hater, otherwise he would not have abandoned a devout Hindu wife and his two children to become a bearded holy man living off of the hard-earned money of working detotees

 

Abandoned?

that is called saranagati, Srila Prabhupada, Srila Sriddhar Mj, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and Sri Krsna himself made the same!!!!

 

working devotees, erning money?

to spread Sri Caitanya mission, and we made with love and affection eh, is not work, is seva...

[Guest guest]

 

so, in other words, Narayana Maharaja has never given a class from the books of Srila Prabhupada, yet he claims that Srila Prabhupada is his siksha guru?

 

I call that lies.

 

Srila Narayana Maharaja read and knew by heart and SPrabhupada´s books at least 30 years before you get your first book, he just know, no need to read, same when you multiply, you don´t read your table, you already know, you understand?

that is why Srila Prabhupada left his mission to him on his final instructions, and if you have some faith in Srila Prabhupada, you must fallow all his instructions including his last, not just what you need.

[Guruvani]

 

Srila Narayana Maharaja read and knew by heart and SPrabhupada´s books at least 30 years before you get your first book, he just know, no need to read, same when you multiply, you don´t read your table, you already know, you understand?

that is why Srila Prabhupada left his mission to him on his final instructions, and if you have some faith in Srila Prabhupada, you must fallow all his instructions including his last, not just what you need.

 

 

I have read many lecures of Narayana Maharaja and seen the website many times and I have never seen him reading from the books of Srila Prabhupada and quoting Srila Prabhupada and the books.

 

Only he likes to remind everyone that in the books of Srila Prabhupada there is racist words and woman hating.

[Guest guest]

Sometimes people who are very attracted to something preach against it. For example in ISKCON alot of swamis before they fell down were ranting very heavily against women and how bad sex is etc.

 

This is called attraction by repulsion. If you cannot have equanimity towards everyone then did you have some type of traumatic experience with BVNM that you feel the need to rant like this? Like did your wife or girlfriend leave you for him?

 

Because it seems like the people who have been quoting things have been doing so in good faith. So it is difficult to see where your hatred comes from.

Some of the things you say sound very sentimental sometimes like you like the sound of one guru's voice and you think it is like Radharani or Krsna's flute. Well did it ever occur to you that some people like the sound of BVNM's voice as much as you like your whoever's voice?

 

You just sound mean-spirited and irrational and prejudiced unless you can explain what the axe is that you have to grind is against BVNM. If it is something concrete then let's hear it. But if it is just sentimental and no basis in reality that one old man you are in love with and another old man gives you the willies then you just sound like a little girl arguing with another little girl which rapper is better: Snoop Doggy Dog, P Diddy, or K Fed?

[Guruvani]

 

Sometimes people who are very attracted to something preach against it. For example in ISKCON alot of swamis before they fell down were ranting very heavily against women and how bad sex is etc.

 

This is called attraction by repulsion. If you cannot have equanimity towards everyone then did you have some type of traumatic experience with BVNM that you feel the need to rant like this? Like did your wife or girlfriend leave you for him?

 

Because it seems like the people who have been quoting things have been doing so in good faith. So it is difficult to see where your hatred comes from.

Some of the things you say sound very sentimental sometimes like you like the sound of one guru's voice and you think it is like Radharani or Krsna's flute. Well did it ever occur to you that some people like the sound of BVNM's voice as much as you like your whoever's voice?

 

You just sound mean-spirited and irrational and prejudiced unless you can explain what the axe is that you have to grind is against BVNM. If it is something concrete then let's hear it. But if it is just sentimental and no basis in reality that one old man you are in love with and another old man gives you the willies then you just sound like a little girl arguing with another little girl which rapper is better: Snoop Doggy Dog, P Diddy, or K Fed?

Yeah, my girlfriend left me for Narayana Maharaja and I am bitter.

 

But, I just want to see any lecture he gave where he is reading from the books of Srila Prabhupada.

 

Can you show me anything?

 

I am hoping to see something to show that he knows something from the books of Srila Prabhupada other than racist and sexist comments he says is in the books that he says was put there by the BBT editors.

[Guruvani]

 

"his is a very good translation. Everything is clear. This is the first edition, and it is clear here. Then, in the next edition which came out soon after that, I think the translation was changed to "not As It Is." Because the editors have no realization, they were bound to change the punctuation and wording to make it look like all women are of a low, sinful birth, less intelligent and so on. You should know the truth. If you want to know, you can read his original books. "O son of Pritha, anyone who will take shelter in Me" – very clear – "whether a woman, or a merchant, or born in a low family, can yet approach the Supreme Destination."

[Guest guest]

"so, in other words, Narayana Maharaja has never given a class from the books of Srila Prabhupada, yet he claims that Srila Prabhupada is his siksha guru?

 

I call that lies."

 

Srila Narayana Maharaja has given numerous classes, hundreds, from Srila Prabhupada's books. SB, CC, NOI, and others. You obviously have an agenda and are very quick to pass judgement, without even waiting for the facts. You're the one telling lies, not Srila Narayana Maharaja. But no doubt you do not have the integrity to admit your mistake and apologize. If you don't want to hear from this Sadhu, that's fine. No one here is asking that of you. But why commit aparadhas when it's clear that there are members here who do not wish to hear them. As another guest mentioned, if you have some legitimate complaint, present it in a respectable manner. Be a gentleman. Seriously, are you really looking for the truth on this issue, or are you just looking for an excuse to bash? Has it become an addiction for you, so much so that you cannot stop?

[Guruvani]

 

"so, in other words, Narayana Maharaja has never given a class from the books of Srila Prabhupada, yet he claims that Srila Prabhupada is his siksha guru?

 

I call that lies."

 

Srila Narayana Maharaja has given numerous classes, hundreds, from Srila Prabhupada's books. SB, CC, NOI, and others. You obviously have an agenda and are very quick to pass judgement, without even waiting for the facts. You're the one telling lies, not Srila Narayana Maharaja. But no doubt you do not have the integrity to admit your mistake and apologize. If you don't want to hear from this Sadhu, that's fine. No one here is asking that of you. But why commit aparadhas when it's clear that there are members here who do not wish to hear them. As another guest mentioned, if you have some legitimate complaint, present it in a respectable manner. Be a gentleman. Seriously, are you really looking for the truth on this issue, or are you just looking for an excuse to bash? Has it become an addiction for you, so much so that you cannot stop?

So, the BBT editors have no realization and it was them who put sexist and racist comments in the books of Srila Prabhupada?

 

Originally Posted by Narayan Maharaja

"his is a very good translation. Everything is clear. This is the first edition, and it is clear here. Then, in the next edition which came out soon after that, I think the translation was changed to "not As It Is." Because the editors have no realization, they were bound to change the punctuation and wording to make it look like all women are of a low, sinful birth, less intelligent and so on. You should know the truth. If you want to know, you can read his original books. "O son of Pritha, anyone who will take shelter in Me" – very clear – "whether a woman, or a merchant, or born in a low family, can yet approach the Supreme Destination."

[Guest guest]

 

so, in other words, Narayana Maharaja has never given a class from the books of Srila Prabhupada, yet he claims that Srila Prabhupada is his siksha guru?

 

I call that lies.

Actually he gave an entire series of lectures from Prabhupada's "Nectar of Instruction" and that was edited then published as a book.

[Guruvani]

 

Actually he gave an entire series of lectures from Prabhupada's "Nectar of Instruction" and that was edited then published as a book.

 

I can imagine that there was a bunch of editing to be done before it could be published as a book.

Did they have to edit out the remarks of Narayana Maharaja that the BBT editors put sexist and racist comments in the books of Srila Prabhupada?

[Guest guest]

 

Narayan Maharaja is a women hater, otherwise he would not have abandoned a devout Hindu wife and his two children to become a bearded holy man living off of the hard-earned money of working detotees

Guruvani is a sannyasi hater so in an uncontrolled way he is actually offending his own guru, Srila Prabhupada who was a sannyasi in his world preaching lila. He is also offending Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu who also took sannyasa. And he is offending Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada who established the tridandi sannyasa in our line.