Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Namaste Tanmaya, Speaking truth is a difficult sadhana, but a great one. Every month when I renew my vow, I am very inspired to "watch" every statement I make to be certain it is truth. It is amazing how many levels of truth there are. Even on the gross level of speech, there are 1/2 truths, omissions, "white lies", etc. Every statement has the potential to be an "untruth". It requires much discipline to speak only the truth. I am a "work in progress" and continually have to watch myself. I hope others will read this and post the techniques they have discovered for speaking truth. Jai Maa Jai Swami love vishweshwar , "ty_maa" <dsjames wrote: > > > Namaste Vishweshwar, > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have slipped by > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and > because there is so much other activity just now. > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the discipline > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is characterized > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those wishing > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much aligned with > Truth as possible. > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity, > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional) obscurring > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the Satya Yuga > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may well go > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the sinking > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite > interesting. > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and women > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and many > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment with > truth. > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used in the > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths. > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two pans > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect balance, the > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper needle. The > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, word and > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or simply > Truth. > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step with it, > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An expert > dancer becomes unable to take a false step" > > Respectfully, > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly recitation > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book, available > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of Visnu > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat". > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and all the > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth. > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to teach us > > why telling the truth is important. > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have taught > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana. > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why speaking > > the truth is important. > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or provide > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that speaking the > > truth has helped you grow. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Namaste Vish, ....And I sit at your feet with bated breath to learn if that word we use most of all-that delicious word-"I", is truth, falsehood, or something in between. Respectfully, Tanmaya , "inspectionconnection108" <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > Namaste Tanmaya, > > Speaking truth is a difficult sadhana, but a great one. Every month > when I renew my vow, I am very inspired to "watch" every statement I > make to be certain it is truth. It is amazing how many levels of > truth there are. > Even on the gross level of speech, there are 1/2 truths, omissions, > "white lies", etc. Every statement has the potential to be an > "untruth". > It requires much discipline to speak only the truth. > I am a "work in progress" and continually have to watch myself. > I hope others will read this and post the techniques they have > discovered for speaking truth. > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > love > vishweshwar > > , "ty_maa" dsjames@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Vishweshwar, > > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have slipped by > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and > > because there is so much other activity just now. > > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the discipline > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is characterized > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those wishing > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much aligned with > > Truth as possible. > > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity, > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional) obscurring > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the Satya Yuga > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may well go > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the sinking > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite > > interesting. > > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and women > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and many > > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment with > > truth. > > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used in the > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths. > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two pans > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect balance, the > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper needle. The > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, word and > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or simply > > Truth. > > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step with it, > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An expert > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step" > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly recitation > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book, available > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of Visnu > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat". > > > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and all the > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth. > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to teach us > > > why telling the truth is important. > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have taught > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana. > > > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why speaking > > > the truth is important. > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or provide > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that speaking the > > > truth has helped you grow. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Loved this email! Maybe others like myself have read this and taken it to heart and are moving swiftly to get the book so we can join in. Hope so. Even w/out bk after reading your email, set it to mind to spk truth as part of new yr res. Love Debi inspectionconnection108 <inspectionconnection108 > wrote: Namaste Tanmaya, Speaking truth is a difficult sadhana, but a great one. Every month when I renew my vow, I am very inspired to "watch" every statement I make to be certain it is truth. It is amazing how many levels of truth there are. Even on the gross level of speech, there are 1/2 truths, omissions, "white lies", etc. Every statement has the potential to be an "untruth". It requires much discipline to speak only the truth. I am a "work in progress" and continually have to watch myself. I hope others will read this and post the techniques they have discovered for speaking truth. Jai Maa Jai Swami love vishweshwar , "ty_maa" <dsjames wrote: > > > Namaste Vishweshwar, > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have slipped by > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and > because there is so much other activity just now. > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the discipline > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is characterized > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those wishing > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much aligned with > Truth as possible. > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity, > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional) obscurring > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the Satya Yuga > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may well go > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the sinking > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite > interesting. > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and women > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and many > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment with > truth. > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used in the > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths. > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two pans > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect balance, the > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper needle. The > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, word and > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or simply > Truth. > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step with it, > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An expert > dancer becomes unable to take a false step" > > Respectfully, > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly recitation > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book, available > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of Visnu > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat". > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and all the > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth. > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to teach us > > why telling the truth is important. > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have taught > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana. > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why speaking > > the truth is important. > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or provide > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that speaking the > > truth has helped you grow. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 inspectionconnection108 Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:50 AM [www.ShreeMaa.org] How to Speak Only Truth, to Tanmaya and everyone Namaste Tanmaya, Speaking truth is a difficult sadhana, but a great one. Every month when I renew my vow, I am very inspired to "watch" every statement I make to be certain it is truth. It is amazing how many levels of truth there are. Even on the gross level of speech, there are 1/2 truths, omissions, "white lies", etc. Every statement has the potential to be an "untruth". It requires much discipline to speak only the truth. I am a "work in progress" and continually have to watch myself. I hope others will read this and post the techniques they have discovered for speaking truth. Jai Maa Jai Swami love vishweshwar Namaste vish One way that is useful for me is to speak less. When speaking is it kind, is it helpful, is it true (I need to work more on the first two). The practice of watching the mind think helps me release ( without using ) some reactionary patterns. I like your monthly vow. Om Namah Sivaya Love Kanda , "ty_maa" <dsjames wrote: > > > Namaste Vishweshwar, > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have slipped by > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and > because there is so much other activity just now. > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the discipline > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is characterized > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those wishing > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much aligned with > Truth as possible. > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity, > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional) obscurring > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the Satya Yuga > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may well go > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the sinking > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite > interesting. > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and women > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and many > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment with > truth. > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used in the > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths. > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two pans > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect balance, the > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper needle. The > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, word and > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or simply > Truth. > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step with it, > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An expert > dancer becomes unable to take a false step" > > Respectfully, > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly recitation > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book, available > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of Visnu > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat". > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and all the > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth. > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to teach us > > why telling the truth is important. > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have taught > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana. > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why speaking > > the truth is important. > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or provide > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that speaking the > > truth has helped you grow. > > > Please visit us online at http://www.ShreeMaa.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Namaste Tanmaya That is a great question. Do "I" even exist? Since "I" am efver changing, how could "I" ever speak the truth? As Lord Krishna said in the Bhavagad Gita, Be established in Being, then perform action. "I" think that sums it up. What does everyone think? Jai Maa Jai Swami vishweshwar , "ty_maa" <dsjames wrote: > > > Namaste Vish, > > ...And I sit at your feet with bated breath to learn if that word we use > most of all-that delicious word-"I", is truth, falsehood, or something > in between. > > Respectfully, > > Tanmaya > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Tanmaya, > > > > Speaking truth is a difficult sadhana, but a great one. Every month > > when I renew my vow, I am very inspired to "watch" every statement I > > make to be certain it is truth. It is amazing how many levels of > > truth there are. > > Even on the gross level of speech, there are 1/2 truths, omissions, > > "white lies", etc. Every statement has the potential to be an > > "untruth". > > It requires much discipline to speak only the truth. > > I am a "work in progress" and continually have to watch myself. > > I hope others will read this and post the techniques they have > > discovered for speaking truth. > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > love > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" dsjames@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vishweshwar, > > > > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have > slipped by > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and > > > because there is so much other activity just now. > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the > discipline > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is > characterized > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those > wishing > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much aligned > with > > > Truth as possible. > > > > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity, > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional) > obscurring > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the Satya Yuga > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may > well go > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the > sinking > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite > > > interesting. > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and > women > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and > many > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment > with > > > truth. > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used in > the > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths. > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two pans > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect balance, > the > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper needle. > The > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, word and > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or simply > > > Truth. > > > > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step with > it, > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An > expert > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step" > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly > recitation > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book, > available > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of > Visnu > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat". > > > > > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and all the > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth. > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to teach > us > > > > why telling the truth is important. > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have > taught > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana. > > > > > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why > speaking > > > > the truth is important. > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or provide > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that speaking > the > > > > truth has helped you grow. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 You know, I think you're on to something here, which only serves to deepen the mystery for me. It is "true" that anything which can be spoken or thought is essentially "untrue", if you define Truth as that which is changeless, non-realtive. >From that perspective, the vow to speak "truth" is really something other than what we think it is, perhaps a vow to come as close as we can, a vow to pursue Truth, in thought, word and deed. That really does make it a sadhana, a practice, as opposed to an accomplishment. Jai Maa! Chris , "inspectionconnection108" <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > Namaste Tanmaya > > That is a great question. Do "I" even exist? Since "I" am efver > changing, how could "I" ever speak the truth? > > As Lord Krishna said in the Bhavagad Gita, Be established in Being, > then perform action. > > "I" think that sums it up. What does everyone think? > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Vish, > > > > ...And I sit at your feet with bated breath to learn if that word we use > > most of all-that delicious word-"I", is truth, falsehood, or something > > in between. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Tanmaya, > > > > > > Speaking truth is a difficult sadhana, but a great one. Every month > > > when I renew my vow, I am very inspired to "watch" every statement I > > > make to be certain it is truth. It is amazing how many levels of > > > truth there are. > > > Even on the gross level of speech, there are 1/2 truths, omissions, > > > "white lies", etc. Every statement has the potential to be an > > > "untruth". > > > It requires much discipline to speak only the truth. > > > I am a "work in progress" and continually have to watch myself. > > > I hope others will read this and post the techniques they have > > > discovered for speaking truth. > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > love > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" dsjames@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vishweshwar, > > > > > > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have > > slipped by > > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and > > > > because there is so much other activity just now. > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the > > discipline > > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is > > characterized > > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those > > wishing > > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much aligned > > with > > > > Truth as possible. > > > > > > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity, > > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional) > > obscurring > > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the Satya Yuga > > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may > > well go > > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the > > sinking > > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in > > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will > > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that > > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and > > women > > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and > > many > > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment > > with > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used in > > the > > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths. > > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two pans > > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect balance, > > the > > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper needle. > > The > > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, word and > > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the > > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or simply > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step with > > it, > > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An > > expert > > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step" > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly > > recitation > > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book, > > available > > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of > > Visnu > > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat". > > > > > > > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and all the > > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth. > > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to teach > > us > > > > > why telling the truth is important. > > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have > > taught > > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why > > speaking > > > > > the truth is important. > > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or provide > > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that speaking > > the > > > > > truth has helped you grow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Namaste Vish, Chris, Tanmaya and all, thank you very much for the interesting discussion on speaking truth, which is indeed a mystery to me too. So with some hesitation I'll add some thoughts: A verse from the Guru Gita came to mind: "Gods and others in the three worlds, asuras and celestial beings, unanimously proclaim that the knowledge which resides in the Guru's mouth is obtained through devotion to the Guru" to me, this says (amongst other things) that the Guru will use our mouths to speak if we are willing to shut up. Speaking truth, to me, has to do with the Word being spoken through us, Truth being expressed through us, if only we can be open or transparent or silent enough. Truth pursues us, perhaps, molding us and re-forming us into Her instruments so that through our mouths Her melody can be sung. I feel that, in order to speak truth, we must learn to become very silent first. "He attains both enjoyment of the fruits of all action and liberation, otherwise known as self-realization, and Sarasvati resides on his tongue" with love, henny , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956@.. ..> wrote: > > You know, I think you're on to something here, which only serves to > deepen the mystery for me. It is "true" that anything which can be > spoken or thought is essentially "untrue", if you define Truth as that > which is changeless, non-realtive. > > From that perspective, the vow to speak "truth" is really something > other than what we think it is, perhaps a vow to come as close as we > can, a vow to pursue Truth, in thought, word and deed. That really > does make it a sadhana, a practice, as opposed to an accomplishment. > > Jai Maa! > Chris > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Tanmaya > > > > That is a great question. Do "I" even exist? Since "I" am efver > > changing, how could "I" ever speak the truth? > > > > As Lord Krishna said in the Bhavagad Gita, Be established in Being, > > then perform action. > > > > "I" think that sums it up. What does everyone think? > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vish, > > > > > > ...And I sit at your feet with bated breath to learn if that word > we use > > > most of all-that delicious word-"I", is truth, falsehood, or something > > > in between. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Tanmaya, > > > > > > > > Speaking truth is a difficult sadhana, but a great one. Every month > > > > when I renew my vow, I am very inspired to "watch" every statement I > > > > make to be certain it is truth. It is amazing how many levels of > > > > truth there are. > > > > Even on the gross level of speech, there are 1/2 truths, omissions, > > > > "white lies", etc. Every statement has the potential to be an > > > > "untruth". > > > > It requires much discipline to speak only the truth. > > > > I am a "work in progress" and continually have to watch myself. > > > > I hope others will read this and post the techniques they have > > > > discovered for speaking truth. > > > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > love > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" dsjames@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vishweshwar, > > > > > > > > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have > > > slipped by > > > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and > > > > > because there is so much other activity just now. > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the > > > discipline > > > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is > > > characterized > > > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those > > > wishing > > > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much > aligned > > > with > > > > > Truth as possible. > > > > > > > > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity, > > > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional) > > > obscurring > > > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the > Satya Yuga > > > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may > > > well go > > > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the > > > sinking > > > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in > > > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will > > > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that > > > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and > > > women > > > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and > > > many > > > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment > > > with > > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales > used in > > > the > > > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths. > > > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two > pans > > > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect balance, > > > the > > > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper needle. > > > The > > > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, > word and > > > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the > > > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or > simply > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step with > > > it, > > > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An > > > expert > > > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step" > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly > > > recitation > > > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book, > > > available > > > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of > > > Visnu > > > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat". > > > > > > > > > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and > all the > > > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth. > > > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to > teach > > > us > > > > > > why telling the truth is important. > > > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have > > > taught > > > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why > > > speaking > > > > > > the truth is important. > > > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or > provide > > > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that > speaking > > > the > > > > > > truth has helped you grow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Henny, What a great reading of that verse. I had never thought of it in that way. I am continually amazed by your familiarity with, and grasp of, the Guru Gita. You rock! Jai Maa! Chris , "henny_v_i" <henny_v_i wrote: > > Namaste Vish, Chris, Tanmaya and all, > > thank you very much for the interesting discussion on speaking truth, > which is indeed a mystery to me too. So with some hesitation I'll add > some thoughts: > > A verse from the Guru Gita came to mind: > > "Gods and others in the three worlds, asuras and celestial beings, > unanimously proclaim that the knowledge which resides in the Guru's > mouth is obtained through devotion to the Guru" > > to me, this says (amongst other things) that the Guru will use our > mouths to speak if we are willing to shut up. Speaking truth, to me, > has to do with the Word being spoken through us, Truth being expressed > through us, if only we can be open or transparent or silent enough. > Truth pursues us, perhaps, molding us and re-forming us into Her > instruments so that through our mouths Her melody can be sung. I feel > that, in order to speak truth, we must learn to become very silent > first. > > "He attains both enjoyment of the fruits of all action and liberation, > otherwise known as self-realization, and Sarasvati resides on his > tongue" > > with love, > henny > > > > , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956@ > .> wrote: > > > > You know, I think you're on to something here, which only serves to > > deepen the mystery for me. It is "true" that anything which can be > > spoken or thought is essentially "untrue", if you define Truth as > that > > which is changeless, non-realtive. > > > > From that perspective, the vow to speak "truth" is really something > > other than what we think it is, perhaps a vow to come as close as we > > can, a vow to pursue Truth, in thought, word and deed. That really > > does make it a sadhana, a practice, as opposed to an accomplishment. > > > > Jai Maa! > > Chris > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Tanmaya > > > > > > That is a great question. Do "I" even exist? Since "I" am efver > > > changing, how could "I" ever speak the truth? > > > > > > As Lord Krishna said in the Bhavagad Gita, Be established in > Being, > > > then perform action. > > > > > > "I" think that sums it up. What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vish, > > > > > > > > ...And I sit at your feet with bated breath to learn if that > word > > we use > > > > most of all-that delicious word-"I", is truth, falsehood, or > something > > > > in between. > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Tanmaya, > > > > > > > > > > Speaking truth is a difficult sadhana, but a great one. Every > month > > > > > when I renew my vow, I am very inspired to "watch" every > statement I > > > > > make to be certain it is truth. It is amazing how many levels > of > > > > > truth there are. > > > > > Even on the gross level of speech, there are 1/2 truths, > omissions, > > > > > "white lies", etc. Every statement has the potential to be an > > > > > "untruth". > > > > > It requires much discipline to speak only the truth. > > > > > I am a "work in progress" and continually have to watch > myself. > > > > > I hope others will read this and post the techniques they have > > > > > discovered for speaking truth. > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > love > > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" dsjames@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vishweshwar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to > have > > > > slipped by > > > > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last > paragraph, and > > > > > > because there is so much other activity just now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the > > > > discipline > > > > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is > > > > characterized > > > > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for > those > > > > wishing > > > > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much > > aligned > > > > with > > > > > > Truth as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by > brevity, > > > > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and > intentional) > > > > obscurring > > > > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the > > Satya Yuga > > > > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth > may > > > > well go > > > > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with > the > > > > sinking > > > > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is > quite > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly > truthful in > > > > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone > will > > > > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that > > > > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men > and > > > > women > > > > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, > Ghandhi, and > > > > many > > > > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in > alignment > > > > with > > > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales > > used in > > > > the > > > > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths. > > > > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with > two > > pans > > > > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect > balance, > > > > the > > > > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper > needle. > > > > The > > > > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, > > word and > > > > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, > the > > > > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or > > simply > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in > step with > > > > it, > > > > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna > said, "An > > > > expert > > > > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step" > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > "inspectionconnection108" > > > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly > > > > recitation > > > > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the > book, > > > > available > > > > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand > Names of > > > > Visnu > > > > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and > > all the > > > > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the > truth. > > > > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories > to > > teach > > > > us > > > > > > > why telling the truth is important. > > > > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings > have > > > > taught > > > > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful > sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone > why > > > > speaking > > > > > > > the truth is important. > > > > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or > > provide > > > > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that > > speaking > > > > the > > > > > > > truth has helped you grow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Chrisji, here's a big hug for you. You roll! with love, henny , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956@.. ..> wrote: > > Henny, > > What a great reading of that verse. I had never thought of it in that > way. > > I am continually amazed by your familiarity with, and grasp of, the > Guru Gita. You rock! > > Jai Maa! > Chris > > > , "henny_v_i" <henny_v_i@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Vish, Chris, Tanmaya and all, > > > > thank you very much for the interesting discussion on speaking truth, > > which is indeed a mystery to me too. So with some hesitation I'll add > > some thoughts: > > > > A verse from the Guru Gita came to mind: > > > > "Gods and others in the three worlds, asuras and celestial beings, > > unanimously proclaim that the knowledge which resides in the Guru's > > mouth is obtained through devotion to the Guru" > > > > to me, this says (amongst other things) that the Guru will use our > > mouths to speak if we are willing to shut up. Speaking truth, to me, > > has to do with the Word being spoken through us, Truth being expressed > > through us, if only we can be open or transparent or silent enough. > > Truth pursues us, perhaps, molding us and re-forming us into Her > > instruments so that through our mouths Her melody can be sung. I feel > > that, in order to speak truth, we must learn to become very silent > > first. > > > > "He attains both enjoyment of the fruits of all action and liberation, > > otherwise known as self-realization, and Sarasvati resides on his > > tongue" > > > > with love, > > henny > > > > > > > > , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956@ > > .> wrote: > > > > > > You know, I think you're on to something here, which only serves to > > > deepen the mystery for me. It is "true" that anything which can be > > > spoken or thought is essentially "untrue", if you define Truth as > > that > > > which is changeless, non-realtive. > > > > > > From that perspective, the vow to speak "truth" is really something > > > other than what we think it is, perhaps a vow to come as close as we > > > can, a vow to pursue Truth, in thought, word and deed. That really > > > does make it a sadhana, a practice, as opposed to an accomplishment. > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Tanmaya > > > > > > > > That is a great question. Do "I" even exist? Since "I" am efver > > > > changing, how could "I" ever speak the truth? > > > > > > > > As Lord Krishna said in the Bhavagad Gita, Be established in > > Being, > > > > then perform action. > > > > > > > > "I" think that sums it up. What does everyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vish, > > > > > > > > > > ...And I sit at your feet with bated breath to learn if that > > word > > > we use > > > > > most of all-that delicious word-"I", is truth, falsehood, or > > something > > > > > in between. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Tanmaya, > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking truth is a difficult sadhana, but a great one. Every > > month > > > > > > when I renew my vow, I am very inspired to "watch" every > > statement I > > > > > > make to be certain it is truth. It is amazing how many levels > > of > > > > > > truth there are. > > > > > > Even on the gross level of speech, there are 1/2 truths, > > omissions, > > > > > > "white lies", etc. Every statement has the potential to be an > > > > > > "untruth". > > > > > > It requires much discipline to speak only the truth. > > > > > > I am a "work in progress" and continually have to watch > > myself. > > > > > > I hope others will read this and post the techniques they have > > > > > > discovered for speaking truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > > love > > > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" dsjames@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vishweshwar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to > > have > > > > > slipped by > > > > > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last > > paragraph, and > > > > > > > because there is so much other activity just now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the > > > > > discipline > > > > > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is > > > > > characterized > > > > > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for > > those > > > > > wishing > > > > > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much > > > aligned > > > > > with > > > > > > > Truth as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by > > brevity, > > > > > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and > > intentional) > > > > > obscurring > > > > > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the > > > Satya Yuga > > > > > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth > > may > > > > > well go > > > > > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with > > the > > > > > sinking > > > > > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is > > quite > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly > > truthful in > > > > > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone > > will > > > > > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that > > > > > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men > > and > > > > > women > > > > > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, > > Ghandhi, and > > > > > many > > > > > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in > > alignment > > > > > with > > > > > > > truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales > > > used in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths. > > > > > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with > > two > > > pans > > > > > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect > > balance, > > > > > the > > > > > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper > > needle. > > > > > The > > > > > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, > > > word and > > > > > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, > > the > > > > > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or > > > simply > > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in > > step with > > > > > it, > > > > > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna > > said, "An > > > > > expert > > > > > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "inspectionconnection108" > > > > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly > > > > > recitation > > > > > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the > > book, > > > > > available > > > > > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand > > Names of > > > > > Visnu > > > > > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and > > > all the > > > > > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the > > truth. > > > > > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories > > to > > > teach > > > > > us > > > > > > > > why telling the truth is important. > > > > > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings > > have > > > > > taught > > > > > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful > > sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone > > why > > > > > speaking > > > > > > > > the truth is important. > > > > > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or > > > provide > > > > > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that > > > speaking > > > > > the > > > > > > > > truth has helped you grow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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