Full Moon Vishnu Truth Speaking Sankalpa-to Chris and everyone

[Guest guest]

Namaste Chris

 

I think the only way to act in complete truth is to be Self Realized.

Then you are in harmony is all aspects of YourSelf and you cannot act

improperly, untruthfully.

In the state i am in, I have to constantly discriminate and control

the impulse to bend the truth while speaking. Acting truthfully: for

me that means that whatever my mind thinks, my body does. Whatever my

heart desires, my body and mind move to create.

Not saying one thing and doing another.

What do others think?

How would we meet this tremendous goal?

 

Jai Maa Jai Swami

 

vishweshwar

 

 

, "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956 wrote:

>

> That's odd, I know I responded, at least with a short little post, to

> Vish's post...but I don't see it!

>

> For me, this is a complicated subject. It is not always easy -

> sometimes very difficult - to be absolutely truthful, especially with

> yourself. But as Tanmaya pointed out in her (Oops! I should've said

> "his" - sorry Tanmaya, I was thinking you were Kumari!) reference to

> Ramakrishna, this vow is also about acting truthfully.

>

> How does one act in truth? Is it merely doing that which you have said

> you will do, or is there more to it? I'm really uncertain...What do

> you all think?

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

>

> , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namaste Vishweshwar,

> >

> > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have

slipped by

> > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and

> > because there is so much other activity just now.

> >

> > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the discipline

> > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is

characterized

> > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those

wishing

> > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much

aligned with

> > Truth as possible.

> >

> > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity,

> > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional)

obscurring

> > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the Satya Yuga

> > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may

well go

> > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the

sinking

> > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite

> > interesting.

> >

> > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in

> > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will

> > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that

> > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and women

> > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and

many

> > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment with

> > truth.

> >

> > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used

in the

> > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths.

> > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two pans

> > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect balance, the

> > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper needle. The

> > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, word and

> > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the

> > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or simply

> > Truth.

> >

> > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step with it,

> > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An

expert

> > dancer becomes unable to take a false step"

> >

> > Respectfully,

> >

> > Tanmaya

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "inspectionconnection108"

> > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly

recitation

> > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book,

available

> > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of

Visnu

> > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat".

> > >

> > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and all the

> > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth.

> > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to teach us

> > > why telling the truth is important.

> > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have taught

> > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana.

> > >

> > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why

speaking

> > > the truth is important.

> > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or provide

> > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that

speaking the

> > > truth has helped you grow.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

But when is one completely Self Realized then? Is this such a finite thing? How can it be put in a box?

 

Jai Maa!

 

Surya

-

inspectionconnection108

Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:20 PM

[www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Full Moon Vishnu Truth Speaking Sankalpa-to Chris and everyone

 

 

Namaste Chris

 

I think the only way to act in complete truth is to be Self Realized.

Then you are in harmony is all aspects of YourSelf and you cannot act

improperly, untruthfully.

In the state i am in, I have to constantly discriminate and control

the impulse to bend the truth while speaking. Acting truthfully: for

me that means that whatever my mind thinks, my body does. Whatever my

heart desires, my body and mind move to create.

Not saying one thing and doing another.

What do others think?

How would we meet this tremendous goal?

 

Jai Maa Jai Swami

 

vishweshwar

 

, "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956 wrote:

>

> That's odd, I know I responded, at least with a short little post, to

> Vish's post...but I don't see it!

>

> For me, this is a complicated subject. It is not always easy -

> sometimes very difficult - to be absolutely truthful, especially with

> yourself. But as Tanmaya pointed out in her (Oops! I should've said

> "his" - sorry Tanmaya, I was thinking you were Kumari!) reference to

> Ramakrishna, this vow is also about acting truthfully.

>

> How does one act in truth? Is it merely doing that which you have said

> you will do, or is there more to it? I'm really uncertain...What do

> you all think?

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

>

> , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namaste Vishweshwar,

> >

> > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have

slipped by

> > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and

> > because there is so much other activity just now.

> >

> > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the discipline

> > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is

characterized

> > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those

wishing

> > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much

aligned with

> > Truth as possible.

> >

> > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity,

> > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional)

obscurring

> > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the Satya Yuga

> > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may

well go

> > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the

sinking

> > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite

> > interesting.

> >

> > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in

> > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will

> > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that

> > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and women

> > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and

many

> > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment with

> > truth.

> >

> > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used

in the

> > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths.

> > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two pans

> > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect balance, the

> > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper needle. The

> > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, word and

> > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the

> > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or simply

> > Truth.

> >

> > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step with it,

> > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An

expert

> > dancer becomes unable to take a false step"

> >

> > Respectfully,

> >

> > Tanmaya

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "inspectionconnection108"

> > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly

recitation

> > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book,

available

> > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of

Visnu

> > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat".

> > >

> > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and all the

> > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth.

> > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to teach us

> > > why telling the truth is important.

> > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have taught

> > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana.

> > >

> > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why

speaking

> > > the truth is important.

> > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or provide

> > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that

speaking the

> > > truth has helped you grow.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think you're right, Vish. Acting truthfully must be acting in

accordance with the highest ideals, with dharma, at all times. No

wonder it is such a high sankalpa in this age. Well, i guess if we can

manage to keep picking ourselves up after we fall, that is progress...

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

, "inspectionconnection108"

<inspectionconnection108 wrote:

>

> Namaste Chris

>

> I think the only way to act in complete truth is to be Self Realized.

> Then you are in harmony is all aspects of YourSelf and you cannot act

> improperly, untruthfully.

> In the state i am in, I have to constantly discriminate and control

> the impulse to bend the truth while speaking. Acting truthfully: for

> me that means that whatever my mind thinks, my body does. Whatever my

> heart desires, my body and mind move to create.

> Not saying one thing and doing another.

> What do others think?

> How would we meet this tremendous goal?

>

> Jai Maa Jai Swami

>

> vishweshwar

>

>

> , "Chris Kirner"

> <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> >

> > That's odd, I know I responded, at least with a short little post, to

> > Vish's post...but I don't see it!

> >

> > For me, this is a complicated subject. It is not always easy -

> > sometimes very difficult - to be absolutely truthful, especially with

> > yourself. But as Tanmaya pointed out in her (Oops! I should've said

> > "his" - sorry Tanmaya, I was thinking you were Kumari!) reference to

> > Ramakrishna, this vow is also about acting truthfully.

> >

> > How does one act in truth? Is it merely doing that which you have said

> > you will do, or is there more to it? I'm really uncertain...What do

> > you all think?

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> > Chris

> >

> >

> > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste Vishweshwar,

> > >

> > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have

> slipped by

> > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and

> > > because there is so much other activity just now.

> > >

> > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the

discipline

> > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is

> characterized

> > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those

> wishing

> > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much

> aligned with

> > > Truth as possible.

> > >

> > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity,

> > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional)

> obscurring

> > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the Satya Yuga

> > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may

> well go

> > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the

> sinking

> > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite

> > > interesting.

> > >

> > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in

> > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will

> > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that

> > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and

women

> > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and

> many

> > > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment

with

> > > truth.

> > >

> > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used

> in the

> > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths.

> > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two pans

> > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect

balance, the

> > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper

needle. The

> > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, word and

> > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the

> > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or simply

> > > Truth.

> > >

> > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step

with it,

> > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An

> expert

> > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step"

> > >

> > > Respectfully,

> > >

> > > Tanmaya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "inspectionconnection108"

> > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly

> recitation

> > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book,

> available

> > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of

> Visnu

> > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat".

> > > >

> > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and all the

> > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth.

> > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to

teach us

> > > > why telling the truth is important.

> > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have

taught

> > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana.

> > > >

> > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why

> speaking

> > > > the truth is important.

> > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or provide

> > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that

> speaking the

> > > > truth has helped you grow.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Chris

 

You are so right. We all will slip and not be truthful. But, picking

ourselves up and getting back on track, and not falling into self

pity, etc., is the key to success.

As Swami says: it is not if we will make a mistake, but when. But the

real test is how quickly we pick ourselves up and start again.

 

What techniques have you found to help with this sankalpa? I hope we

can all share something which will help us all.

 

Jai Maa Jai Swami

 

vishweshwar

 

 

 

 

, "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956 wrote:

>

> Yes, I think you're right, Vish. Acting truthfully must be acting in

> accordance with the highest ideals, with dharma, at all times. No

> wonder it is such a high sankalpa in this age. Well, i guess if we can

> manage to keep picking ourselves up after we fall, that is progress...

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

>

> , "inspectionconnection108"

> <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Chris

> >

> > I think the only way to act in complete truth is to be Self Realized.

> > Then you are in harmony is all aspects of YourSelf and you cannot act

> > improperly, untruthfully.

> > In the state i am in, I have to constantly discriminate and control

> > the impulse to bend the truth while speaking. Acting truthfully: for

> > me that means that whatever my mind thinks, my body does. Whatever my

> > heart desires, my body and mind move to create.

> > Not saying one thing and doing another.

> > What do others think?

> > How would we meet this tremendous goal?

> >

> > Jai Maa Jai Swami

> >

> > vishweshwar

> >

> >

> > , "Chris Kirner"

> > <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> > >

> > > That's odd, I know I responded, at least with a short little

post, to

> > > Vish's post...but I don't see it!

> > >

> > > For me, this is a complicated subject. It is not always easy -

> > > sometimes very difficult - to be absolutely truthful, especially

with

> > > yourself. But as Tanmaya pointed out in her (Oops! I should've said

> > > "his" - sorry Tanmaya, I was thinking you were Kumari!) reference to

> > > Ramakrishna, this vow is also about acting truthfully.

> > >

> > > How does one act in truth? Is it merely doing that which you

have said

> > > you will do, or is there more to it? I'm really uncertain...What do

> > > you all think?

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Vishweshwar,

> > > >

> > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have

> > slipped by

> > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and

> > > > because there is so much other activity just now.

> > > >

> > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the

> discipline

> > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is

> > characterized

> > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those

> > wishing

> > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much

> > aligned with

> > > > Truth as possible.

> > > >

> > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity,

> > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional)

> > obscurring

> > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the

Satya Yuga

> > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may

> > well go

> > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the

> > sinking

> > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite

> > > > interesting.

> > > >

> > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in

> > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will

> > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that

> > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and

> women

> > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and

> > many

> > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment

> with

> > > > truth.

> > > >

> > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used

> > in the

> > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths.

> > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two

pans

> > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect

> balance, the

> > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper

> needle. The

> > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought,

word and

> > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the

> > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or

simply

> > > > Truth.

> > > >

> > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step

> with it,

> > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An

> > expert

> > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step"

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully,

> > > >

> > > > Tanmaya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "inspectionconnection108"

> > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly

> > recitation

> > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book,

> > available

> > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of

> > Visnu

> > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat".

> > > > >

> > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and

all the

> > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth.

> > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to

> teach us

> > > > > why telling the truth is important.

> > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have

> taught

> > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why

> > speaking

> > > > > the truth is important.

> > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or

provide

> > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that

> > speaking the

> > > > > truth has helped you grow.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I don't know if I have any techniques, Vish. I've always just

maintained the idea that I would never allow a falsehood to pass my

lips. The rest just deepens of its own accord. When I got used to the

idea of never uttering a falsehood an the gross level, my attention

just naturally began to focus on the meaning of the words I use, and

how they represent (or not) Truth.

 

Understanding myself has been more problematic. It is difficult to get

past the confusion the ego creates in the mind to actually see myself

clearly. I look to sadhana and the grace of the guru to eventually

resolve this. I have almost given up trying.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

, "inspectionconnection108"

<inspectionconnection108 wrote:

>

> Namaste Chris

>

> You are so right. We all will slip and not be truthful. But, picking

> ourselves up and getting back on track, and not falling into self

> pity, etc., is the key to success.

> As Swami says: it is not if we will make a mistake, but when. But the

> real test is how quickly we pick ourselves up and start again.

>

> What techniques have you found to help with this sankalpa? I hope we

> can all share something which will help us all.

>

> Jai Maa Jai Swami

>

> vishweshwar

>

>

>

>

> , "Chris Kirner"

> <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes, I think you're right, Vish. Acting truthfully must be acting in

> > accordance with the highest ideals, with dharma, at all times. No

> > wonder it is such a high sankalpa in this age. Well, i guess if we can

> > manage to keep picking ourselves up after we fall, that is progress...

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> > Chris

> >

> >

> > , "inspectionconnection108"

> > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Chris

> > >

> > > I think the only way to act in complete truth is to be Self

Realized.

> > > Then you are in harmony is all aspects of YourSelf and you

cannot act

> > > improperly, untruthfully.

> > > In the state i am in, I have to constantly discriminate and control

> > > the impulse to bend the truth while speaking. Acting

truthfully: for

> > > me that means that whatever my mind thinks, my body does.

Whatever my

> > > heart desires, my body and mind move to create.

> > > Not saying one thing and doing another.

> > > What do others think?

> > > How would we meet this tremendous goal?

> > >

> > > Jai Maa Jai Swami

> > >

> > > vishweshwar

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Chris Kirner"

> > > <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > That's odd, I know I responded, at least with a short little

> post, to

> > > > Vish's post...but I don't see it!

> > > >

> > > > For me, this is a complicated subject. It is not always easy -

> > > > sometimes very difficult - to be absolutely truthful, especially

> with

> > > > yourself. But as Tanmaya pointed out in her (Oops! I should've

said

> > > > "his" - sorry Tanmaya, I was thinking you were Kumari!)

reference to

> > > > Ramakrishna, this vow is also about acting truthfully.

> > > >

> > > > How does one act in truth? Is it merely doing that which you

> have said

> > > > you will do, or is there more to it? I'm really

uncertain...What do

> > > > you all think?

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Vishweshwar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have

> > > slipped by

> > > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last

paragraph, and

> > > > > because there is so much other activity just now.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the

> > discipline

> > > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is

> > > characterized

> > > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those

> > > wishing

> > > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much

> > > aligned with

> > > > > Truth as possible.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity,

> > > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional)

> > > obscurring

> > > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the

> Satya Yuga

> > > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may

> > > well go

> > > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the

> > > sinking

> > > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite

> > > > > interesting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly

truthful in

> > > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone

will

> > > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that

> > > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and

> > women

> > > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln,

Ghandhi, and

> > > many

> > > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment

> > with

> > > > > truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used

> > > in the

> > > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths.

> > > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two

> pans

> > > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect

> > balance, the

> > > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper

> > needle. The

> > > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought,

> word and

> > > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the

> > > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or

> simply

> > > > > Truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step

> > with it,

> > > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna

said, "An

> > > expert

> > > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step"

> > > > >

> > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > >

> > > > > Tanmaya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "inspectionconnection108"

> > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly

> > > recitation

> > > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book,

> > > available

> > > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand

Names of

> > > Visnu

> > > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and

> all the

> > > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth.

> > > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to

> > teach us

> > > > > > why telling the truth is important.

> > > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have

> > taught

> > > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful

sadhana.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why

> > > speaking

> > > > > > the truth is important.

> > > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or

> provide

> > > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that

> > > speaking the

> > > > > > truth has helped you grow.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Chris

 

One technique which helps strengthen the will, and thus helps one

speak the truth, is chanting the Chandi, especially in the group every

Sunday at the Temple. When Swami leads, He chants fast. One must

have one-pointed attention, and breath in the rythum He breathes, and

one can becomes absorbed in the chant.

One is absorbed, and suddenly a thought comes into the mind, "my leg

hurts, when will this be done, I need to be comfortable". Then the

next thought pops in, "Where did this thought come from? Why? I was

doing so well".

And I have to consciously bring my awareness back to the chanting,

away from the pain, the distraction, and back to the "highest thoughts".

Now that conscious effort to move from one thought to another thought,

gives one great practice to "watch" one's thoughts, and react quickly

when one sees a lie popping up into one's awareness. Because what is

a lie anyway: some self-serving statement to avoid pain and suffering,

etc. Of course the chanting of Chandi helps cut down the ego, and

bring too much and too little into balance, which also helps to sepak

truth more easily.

So, just as during chanting, if I have my "highest goal" consciously

in mind, as my sankalpa to speak truth, then whenever I get into

troubled thoughts, i.e.: lies, I move my awareness back to the sankalpa.

While all this could be seen as just manlipulating my internal

reality, my thoughts, etc., for me it is a Divine Seva, an offering of

the best I have to give, to create a wave of truth in this world.

 

As my hero Ferris Buehler said, "keep good thoughts dude".

 

Jai Maa Jai Swami

 

vishweshwar

 

, "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956 wrote:

>

> Well, I don't know if I have any techniques, Vish. I've always just

> maintained the idea that I would never allow a falsehood to pass my

> lips. The rest just deepens of its own accord. When I got used to the

> idea of never uttering a falsehood an the gross level, my attention

> just naturally began to focus on the meaning of the words I use, and

> how they represent (or not) Truth.

>

> Understanding myself has been more problematic. It is difficult to get

> past the confusion the ego creates in the mind to actually see myself

> clearly. I look to sadhana and the grace of the guru to eventually

> resolve this. I have almost given up trying.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

>

> , "inspectionconnection108"

> <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Chris

> >

> > You are so right. We all will slip and not be truthful. But, picking

> > ourselves up and getting back on track, and not falling into self

> > pity, etc., is the key to success.

> > As Swami says: it is not if we will make a mistake, but when. But the

> > real test is how quickly we pick ourselves up and start again.

> >

> > What techniques have you found to help with this sankalpa? I hope we

> > can all share something which will help us all.

> >

> > Jai Maa Jai Swami

> >

> > vishweshwar

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Chris Kirner"

> > <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, I think you're right, Vish. Acting truthfully must be acting in

> > > accordance with the highest ideals, with dharma, at all times. No

> > > wonder it is such a high sankalpa in this age. Well, i guess if

we can

> > > manage to keep picking ourselves up after we fall, that is

progress...

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > > , "inspectionconnection108"

> > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chris

> > > >

> > > > I think the only way to act in complete truth is to be Self

> Realized.

> > > > Then you are in harmony is all aspects of YourSelf and you

> cannot act

> > > > improperly, untruthfully.

> > > > In the state i am in, I have to constantly discriminate and

control

> > > > the impulse to bend the truth while speaking. Acting

> truthfully: for

> > > > me that means that whatever my mind thinks, my body does.

> Whatever my

> > > > heart desires, my body and mind move to create.

> > > > Not saying one thing and doing another.

> > > > What do others think?

> > > > How would we meet this tremendous goal?

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami

> > > >

> > > > vishweshwar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Chris Kirner"

> > > > <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > That's odd, I know I responded, at least with a short little

> > post, to

> > > > > Vish's post...but I don't see it!

> > > > >

> > > > > For me, this is a complicated subject. It is not always easy -

> > > > > sometimes very difficult - to be absolutely truthful, especially

> > with

> > > > > yourself. But as Tanmaya pointed out in her (Oops! I should've

> said

> > > > > "his" - sorry Tanmaya, I was thinking you were Kumari!)

> reference to

> > > > > Ramakrishna, this vow is also about acting truthfully.

> > > > >

> > > > > How does one act in truth? Is it merely doing that which you

> > have said

> > > > > you will do, or is there more to it? I'm really

> uncertain...What do

> > > > > you all think?

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > > Chris

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Vishweshwar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have

> > > > slipped by

> > > > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last

> paragraph, and

> > > > > > because there is so much other activity just now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the

> > > discipline

> > > > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is

> > > > characterized

> > > > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for

those

> > > > wishing

> > > > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much

> > > > aligned with

> > > > > > Truth as possible.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by

brevity,

> > > > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional)

> > > > obscurring

> > > > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the

> > Satya Yuga

> > > > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of

Untruth may

> > > > well go

> > > > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination

with the

> > > > sinking

> > > > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is

quite

> > > > > > interesting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly

> truthful in

> > > > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone

> will

> > > > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that

> > > > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were

men and

> > > women

> > > > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln,

> Ghandhi, and

> > > > many

> > > > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in

alignment

> > > with

> > > > > > truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple

scales used

> > > > in the

> > > > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths.

> > > > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two

> > pans

> > > > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect

> > > balance, the

> > > > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper

> > > needle. The

> > > > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought,

> > word and

> > > > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with

Truth, the

> > > > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or

> > simply

> > > > > > Truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step

> > > with it,

> > > > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna

> said, "An

> > > > expert

> > > > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tanmaya

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108"

> > > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly

> > > > recitation

> > > > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book,

> > > > available

> > > > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand

> Names of

> > > > Visnu

> > > > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and

> > all the

> > > > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the

truth.

> > > > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to

> > > teach us

> > > > > > > why telling the truth is important.

> > > > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings

have

> > > taught

> > > > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful

> sadhana.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with

everyone why

> > > > speaking

> > > > > > > the truth is important.

> > > > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or

> > provide

> > > > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that

> > > > speaking the

> > > > > > > truth has helped you grow.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Vish,

 

What you describe is dedication to sadhana, in my view. It is a

blessing to see such dedication.

 

The Chandi IS.

 

Yeah, I am not at a place where I can chant the Chandi yet. My

breathing is not right. It would take me six hours to finish,

breathing properly, and I would not wish to do it without a proper

pranayama. Perhaps someday soon.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

 

, "inspectionconnection108"

<inspectionconnection108 wrote:

>

> Namaste Chris

>

> One technique which helps strengthen the will, and thus helps one

> speak the truth, is chanting the Chandi, especially in the group every

> Sunday at the Temple. When Swami leads, He chants fast. One must

> have one-pointed attention, and breath in the rythum He breathes, and

> one can becomes absorbed in the chant.

> One is absorbed, and suddenly a thought comes into the mind, "my leg

> hurts, when will this be done, I need to be comfortable". Then the

> next thought pops in, "Where did this thought come from? Why? I was

> doing so well".

> And I have to consciously bring my awareness back to the chanting,

> away from the pain, the distraction, and back to the "highest

thoughts".

> Now that conscious effort to move from one thought to another thought,

> gives one great practice to "watch" one's thoughts, and react quickly

> when one sees a lie popping up into one's awareness. Because what is

> a lie anyway: some self-serving statement to avoid pain and suffering,

> etc. Of course the chanting of Chandi helps cut down the ego, and

> bring too much and too little into balance, which also helps to sepak

> truth more easily.

> So, just as during chanting, if I have my "highest goal" consciously

> in mind, as my sankalpa to speak truth, then whenever I get into

> troubled thoughts, i.e.: lies, I move my awareness back to the sankalpa.

> While all this could be seen as just manlipulating my internal

> reality, my thoughts, etc., for me it is a Divine Seva, an offering of

> the best I have to give, to create a wave of truth in this world.

>

> As my hero Ferris Buehler said, "keep good thoughts dude".

>

> Jai Maa Jai Swami

>

> vishweshwar

>

> , "Chris Kirner"

> <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> >

> > Well, I don't know if I have any techniques, Vish. I've always just

> > maintained the idea that I would never allow a falsehood to pass my

> > lips. The rest just deepens of its own accord. When I got used to the

> > idea of never uttering a falsehood an the gross level, my attention

> > just naturally began to focus on the meaning of the words I use, and

> > how they represent (or not) Truth.

> >

> > Understanding myself has been more problematic. It is difficult to get

> > past the confusion the ego creates in the mind to actually see myself

> > clearly. I look to sadhana and the grace of the guru to eventually

> > resolve this. I have almost given up trying.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> > Chris

> >

> >

> > , "inspectionconnection108"

> > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Chris

> > >

> > > You are so right. We all will slip and not be truthful. But,

picking

> > > ourselves up and getting back on track, and not falling into self

> > > pity, etc., is the key to success.

> > > As Swami says: it is not if we will make a mistake, but when.

But the

> > > real test is how quickly we pick ourselves up and start again.

> > >

> > > What techniques have you found to help with this sankalpa? I

hope we

> > > can all share something which will help us all.

> > >

> > > Jai Maa Jai Swami

> > >

> > > vishweshwar

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Chris Kirner"

> > > <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I think you're right, Vish. Acting truthfully must be

acting in

> > > > accordance with the highest ideals, with dharma, at all times. No

> > > > wonder it is such a high sankalpa in this age. Well, i guess if

> we can

> > > > manage to keep picking ourselves up after we fall, that is

> progress...

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "inspectionconnection108"

> > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chris

> > > > >

> > > > > I think the only way to act in complete truth is to be Self

> > Realized.

> > > > > Then you are in harmony is all aspects of YourSelf and you

> > cannot act

> > > > > improperly, untruthfully.

> > > > > In the state i am in, I have to constantly discriminate and

> control

> > > > > the impulse to bend the truth while speaking. Acting

> > truthfully: for

> > > > > me that means that whatever my mind thinks, my body does.

> > Whatever my

> > > > > heart desires, my body and mind move to create.

> > > > > Not saying one thing and doing another.

> > > > > What do others think?

> > > > > How would we meet this tremendous goal?

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami

> > > > >

> > > > > vishweshwar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Chris Kirner"

> > > > > <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's odd, I know I responded, at least with a short little

> > > post, to

> > > > > > Vish's post...but I don't see it!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me, this is a complicated subject. It is not always easy -

> > > > > > sometimes very difficult - to be absolutely truthful,

especially

> > > with

> > > > > > yourself. But as Tanmaya pointed out in her (Oops! I should've

> > said

> > > > > > "his" - sorry Tanmaya, I was thinking you were Kumari!)

> > reference to

> > > > > > Ramakrishna, this vow is also about acting truthfully.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How does one act in truth? Is it merely doing that which you

> > > have said

> > > > > > you will do, or is there more to it? I'm really

> > uncertain...What do

> > > > > > you all think?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > > > Chris

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Vishweshwar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to

have

> > > > > slipped by

> > > > > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last

> > paragraph, and

> > > > > > > because there is so much other activity just now.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the

> > > > discipline

> > > > > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is

> > > > > characterized

> > > > > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for

> those

> > > > > wishing

> > > > > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much

> > > > > aligned with

> > > > > > > Truth as possible.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by

> brevity,

> > > > > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and

intentional)

> > > > > obscurring

> > > > > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the

> > > Satya Yuga

> > > > > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of

> Untruth may

> > > > > well go

> > > > > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination

> with the

> > > > > sinking

> > > > > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is

> quite

> > > > > > > interesting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly

> > truthful in

> > > > > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone

> > will

> > > > > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that

> > > > > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were

> men and

> > > > women

> > > > > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln,

> > Ghandhi, and

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in

> alignment

> > > > with

> > > > > > > truth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple

> scales used

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths.

> > > > > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved

with two

> > > pans

> > > > > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect

> > > > balance, the

> > > > > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper

> > > > needle. The

> > > > > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought,

> > > word and

> > > > > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with

> Truth, the

> > > > > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or

> > > simply

> > > > > > > Truth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in

step

> > > > with it,

> > > > > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna

> > said, "An

> > > > > expert

> > > > > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tanmaya

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

"inspectionconnection108"

> > > > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly

> > > > > recitation

> > > > > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the

book,

> > > > > available

> > > > > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand

> > Names of

> > > > > Visnu

> > > > > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and

> > > all the

> > > > > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the

> truth.

> > > > > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes

stories to

> > > > teach us

> > > > > > > > why telling the truth is important.

> > > > > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings

> have

> > > > taught

> > > > > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful

> > sadhana.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with

> everyone why

> > > > > speaking

> > > > > > > > the truth is important.

> > > > > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or

> > > provide

> > > > > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that

> > > > > speaking the

> > > > > > > > truth has helped you grow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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