Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Is it a sin to chant Srividya without Diksha/advice from a Guru. Someone said it is fruitless as well as sinful to chant from books by oneself. somebody help please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 what are you trying to refer to in Sri Vidya mantras , stotras , ? its good to have teacher for guidence in general though . joanna > Is it a sin to chant Srividya without Diksha/advice from a Guru. > Someone said it is fruitless as well as sinful to chant from books by > oneself. > somebody help please > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 You can chant if you think you are doing justice to the musical quality of the mantras and feel happy while chanting. It is not fruitless if you do not expect any result and just sing for your self. You need to have an ear for music and fist hear it sung by some one good at it( to catch the tune, spacing of words etc). Like all good music, mantras too deserve respect. "Haridev.S.V" <haridevcusat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Is it a sin to chant Srividya without Diksha/advice from a Guru. Someone said it is fruitless as well as sinful to chant from books by oneself. somebody help please Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Thanks 4 reply but if i dont expect fruits why should i chant. Is it a sin to chant for some benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Hi, It is not sinful and not fruitless, but it is advices to be taken from the guru, because he would explain you the meaning of the mantra, the rite prnounciation and also the benefits, definetly the books also give u the same, but path to salvation can only be shown by your Guru, You can also think Devi as your guru and start meditating, if required she will definetly direct to the person who would be your Guru, so do not worry , think of her when u recite the mantra's rest assured she will take care. Aananth J. , venkat bhasksr <sitam_subba wrote: > > You can chant if you think you are doing justice to the musical quality of the mantras and feel happy while chanting. It is not fruitless if you do not expect any result and just sing for your self. You need to have an ear for music and fist hear it sung by some one good at it( to catch the tune, spacing of words etc). Like all good music, mantras too deserve respect. > > "Haridev.S.V" <haridevcusat wrote: > Is it a sin to chant Srividya without Diksha/advice from a Guru. > Someone said it is fruitless as well as sinful to chant from books by > oneself. > somebody help please > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 NO, it is not a sin. But, have you ever heard of something called NISHKAMA BHAV? JANARDANA DASA "Haridev.S.V" <haridevcusat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Thanks 4 reply but if i dont expect fruits why should i chant. Is it a sin to chant for some benefits? Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real people who know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Here is my "opinion": Mukti and all fruits, merits as well as siddhis are gifts given by the Divine Goddess as she pleases and to whoever she pleases. This is mentioned in RG and Atharvaveda, where in the Rastri Devi Sukta, Devi states that It is by her will that man becomes Rishi. On the topic of worshipping her; we perform certain acts which would enkindle our latent bond with her, and there are many methods to achieve this. You need not have a Guru for simple namasmarana of Bhagawati. You need not invoke Maha Vidyas and use Bijas, that is where things get messy. Mantras have Bijas, Shaktis and Keelakas, along with Shapa [curses to lock the power] and are generally murchita. In many instances the mantra after long recitation will start to make you feel good, give you visions, dreams; however when you decide to do a specific kamya prayoga, particularly if it is a shata karma, then it may very well reverse on you yourself. This actually has happened to people who have tried ucchatana prayogas with Pratyangira and or Bagalamukhi from books. Mantras have shaktis like Dakini, Shakini, Yogini, Pishachini, Vetala and such. These are Ganas of the Devata. They also have Adhara Shaktis which are the Anga devatas and finally they have the antarah Shakti which is the nature of the devata him/herself. You dont know who comes before you, who dont know who is the reciever of your worship when you use a mantra. Becase most mantras dont just invoke the devata but also the paravAra of the devata as well. The Yantra, Avarana are graphical and verbal elaboration on the nature of the vidya/mantra and the various daivic/asuri tattvas that reside within it. You need to be aware of them, and how each is addressed. You cannot say that, "oh today I will recite shodashAkshari or navarna and see what happens". Becase you risk incuring the wrath of affiliated devatas of that mantra. I am not here to give you a crash course in mantra sadhana, however its not as simple as just picking up a mantra from a book and reciting it yay so many times. Most of those methods and even the mantras themselves are approximations. It is very rare to see people who have inborn talent in sadhana, sometimes without the aid of a Guru, this is believed to be a result of their prarabdha. A Guru is a person who has mastered the mantra and it is alive and well within their person. By recieving diksha, they impart to you a small essence of that mantra and you simply do the purushcharana to awaken it fully within yourself. This is where japa of vidyas become relevant. Unless you have prarabdha, unless you have bhakti or unless you have Guru you cannot achieve success. Prarabdha and Bhakti are immeasurable elements here, that is why most scripture just leave it at the Guru. We are all people who are trying to achieve the Grace of Shakti, thats why most of us actually bother looking for groups and communities affiliated with her puja online. None of us can dictate to you what is right or wrong, we can just simply suggest and sometimes assert you on consequences of actions on account of either experience or scriptural knowledge. Please do not fret about chanting Shri Vidya. Most people have dedicated their lives in finishing off preliminary sadhanas, and other grueling rites before they were given maha shodashAkshari amongst other mantras. I know this the hard way lol. It takes a lot of time, effort and dedication to go that far. And if you discuss this then you may incur some aggression from certain members because many who do it the formal way dislike and are agaisnt those who just "wing it". I am not here to tell you what is going to happen to you. For all we know you are some maha vibhuti here to proove mankind wrong, that a Guru is not needed. I dont know. Parampara has done me a lot of good and I suggest if you want to go into Shri vidya, then please abide by a Guru. Once again my opinion. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 If someone wants a good meal, there are several ways to obtain it. 1. Go to a good restaurant and order the desired meal and eat it. 2. Go to grocery store, buy all the stuff and cook oneself. 3. Or the long, hard way.....get a piece of land. Till the land, plant the seeds of all desired food grains, veggies etc - wait for a long time, take care of the crops etc etc, hope no disease befalls the crop. Finally, harvest the crop. Then finally cook and eat the desired food. Chanting Sri Vidya mantras is similar to the 3rd option. A guru will be able to teach and guide how to avoid/prevent hardships during the process. This process implicitly states that there will be both benefits and associated hardships (sometimes soul sucking hardships). If one wants benefits only, contact some able person to perform a ganapathy homam or something similar to that, specifically for the person or the family. That way, only the benefits can be obtained. That is like the 2nd option. Something similar to the first option will be to participate (by sponsoring) for an online homam or something. Email the desired benefits and ask them to perform a specific sankalpam. , "Haridev.S.V" <haridevcusat wrote: > > Thanks 4 reply but if i dont expect fruits why should i chant. > Is it a sin to chant for some benefits? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 nice reply, but a doubt: for mukti only we need a Guru to direct us? For other purposes like getting rid of troubles, we can chant without initiation? > Hi, > > It is sinful and not fruitless, but it is advices to be taken > from the guru, because he would explain you the meaning of the > mantra, the rite prnounciation and also the benefits, definetly the > books also give u the same, but path to salvation can only be shown > by your Guru, You can also think Devi as your guru and start > meditating, if required she will definetly direct to the person who > would be your Guru, so do not worry , think of her when u recite > the mantra's rest assured she will take care. > > Aananth J. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Troubles never disappear by themselves. What you get by chanting with r without Guru is the courage to face them and clarity. Your couse of action becomes clearer > > nice reply, but a doubt: for mukti only we need a Guru to direct us? > For other purposes like getting rid of troubles, we can chant without > initiation? > > > > Hi, > > > > It is sinful and not fruitless, but it is advices to be taken > > from the guru, because he would explain you the meaning of the > > mantra, the rite prnounciation and also the benefits, definetly the > > books also give u the same, but path to salvation can only be shown > > by your Guru, You can also think Devi as your guru and start > > meditating, if required she will definetly direct to the person who > > would be your Guru, so do not worry , think of her when u recite > > the mantra's rest assured she will take care. > > > > Aananth J. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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