Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 NAMASTE I do not understand the question. Please explain more. If I look to Shree Maa as an example of an illuminated soul, I do not ever hear Her speak anything but the truth. So, how can I really know what that is? For me, Her words speak directly to my heart. And, the intellect cannot find any fault with Her speech, or actions. And, Her words have such power. What She says comes to pass. Does that make sense? Jai Maa Jai Swami vishweshwar , "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > But when is one completely Self Realized then? Is this such a finite thing? How can it be put in a box? > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > - > inspectionconnection108 > > Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:20 PM > [www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Full Moon Vishnu Truth Speaking Sankalpa-to Chris and everyone > > > Namaste Chris > > I think the only way to act in complete truth is to be Self Realized. > Then you are in harmony is all aspects of YourSelf and you cannot act > improperly, untruthfully. > In the state i am in, I have to constantly discriminate and control > the impulse to bend the truth while speaking. Acting truthfully: for > me that means that whatever my mind thinks, my body does. Whatever my > heart desires, my body and mind move to create. > Not saying one thing and doing another. > What do others think? > How would we meet this tremendous goal? > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > vishweshwar > > , "Chris Kirner" > <chriskirner1956@> wrote: > > > > That's odd, I know I responded, at least with a short little post, to > > Vish's post...but I don't see it! > > > > For me, this is a complicated subject. It is not always easy - > > sometimes very difficult - to be absolutely truthful, especially with > > yourself. But as Tanmaya pointed out in her (Oops! I should've said > > "his" - sorry Tanmaya, I was thinking you were Kumari!) reference to > > Ramakrishna, this vow is also about acting truthfully. > > > > How does one act in truth? Is it merely doing that which you have said > > you will do, or is there more to it? I'm really uncertain...What do > > you all think? > > > > Jai Maa! > > Chris > > > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vishweshwar, > > > > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have > slipped by > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and > > > because there is so much other activity just now. > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the discipline > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is > characterized > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those > wishing > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much > aligned with > > > Truth as possible. > > > > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity, > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional) > obscurring > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the Satya Yuga > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may > well go > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the > sinking > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite > > > interesting. > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and women > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and > many > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment with > > > truth. > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used > in the > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths. > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two pans > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect balance, the > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper needle. The > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, word and > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or simply > > > Truth. > > > > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step with it, > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An > expert > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step" > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly > recitation > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book, > available > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of > Visnu > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat". > > > > > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and all the > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth. > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to teach us > > > > why telling the truth is important. > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have taught > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana. > > > > > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why > speaking > > > > the truth is important. > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or provide > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that > speaking the > > > > truth has helped you grow. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Namaste, That makes sense but it didn't answer my question. Swamiji has asked this question before I believe and I agree with His answer. I don't know how else to explain it. If something is infinite, how can you draw lines around it? Truthfully, words are horrible mediums for such things. Even if we both understand "English" and use the same words, they may have different meanings for each of us. This is especially true with lofty, subtle concepts like Self and Self Realization. Jai Maa! Surya - inspectionconnection108 Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:45 PM [www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Full Moon Vishnu Truth Speaking Sankalpa-to Surya NAMASTE I do not understand the question. Please explain more. If I look to Shree Maa as an example of an illuminated soul, I do not ever hear Her speak anything but the truth. So, how can I really know what that is? For me, Her words speak directly to my heart. And, the intellect cannot find any fault with Her speech, or actions. And, Her words have such power. What She says comes to pass. Does that make sense? Jai Maa Jai Swami vishweshwar , "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > But when is one completely Self Realized then? Is this such a finite thing? How can it be put in a box? > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > - > inspectionconnection108 > > Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:20 PM > [www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Full Moon Vishnu Truth Speaking Sankalpa-to Chris and everyone > > > Namaste Chris > > I think the only way to act in complete truth is to be Self Realized. > Then you are in harmony is all aspects of YourSelf and you cannot act > improperly, untruthfully. > In the state i am in, I have to constantly discriminate and control > the impulse to bend the truth while speaking. Acting truthfully: for > me that means that whatever my mind thinks, my body does. Whatever my > heart desires, my body and mind move to create. > Not saying one thing and doing another. > What do others think? > How would we meet this tremendous goal? > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > vishweshwar > > , "Chris Kirner" > <chriskirner1956@> wrote: > > > > That's odd, I know I responded, at least with a short little post, to > > Vish's post...but I don't see it! > > > > For me, this is a complicated subject. It is not always easy - > > sometimes very difficult - to be absolutely truthful, especially with > > yourself. But as Tanmaya pointed out in her (Oops! I should've said > > "his" - sorry Tanmaya, I was thinking you were Kumari!) reference to > > Ramakrishna, this vow is also about acting truthfully. > > > > How does one act in truth? Is it merely doing that which you have said > > you will do, or is there more to it? I'm really uncertain...What do > > you all think? > > > > Jai Maa! > > Chris > > > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vishweshwar, > > > > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have > slipped by > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last paragraph, and > > > because there is so much other activity just now. > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the discipline > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is > characterized > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those > wishing > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much > aligned with > > > Truth as possible. > > > > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity, > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional) > obscurring > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the Satya Yuga > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may > well go > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the > sinking > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite > > > interesting. > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly truthful in > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone will > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men and women > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln, Ghandhi, and > many > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in alignment with > > > truth. > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used > in the > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths. > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two pans > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect balance, the > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper needle. The > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought, word and > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or simply > > > Truth. > > > > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step with it, > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna said, "An > expert > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step" > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly > recitation > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book, > available > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand Names of > Visnu > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat". > > > > > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and all the > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth. > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to teach us > > > > why telling the truth is important. > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings have taught > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful sadhana. > > > > > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why > speaking > > > > the truth is important. > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or provide > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that > speaking the > > > > truth has helped you grow. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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