Please withdraw your lie, then prove your claim.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramakanta Prabhu,

PAMHO. AGTSP!

Regarding your lie.

 

As you can see in the passage of my writing you just quoted I had clearly

written…

 

“Yet if we again apply reductio ad absurdum...”

 

I was using reductio ad absurdum on what seemed to be YOUR position (though you

later claim that when you use phrases such as ‘the time of initiation’ etc.,

you are NOT talking about the ceremony- go figure!) I was never expressing MY

position. You can know this for sure since in TFO we never say that delivery

means to drop dead. Nor is it stated in any of our other papers, nor in Back to

Prabhupada, nor have I ever stated this as being my position anywhere in this

debate, nor did I state it as my 'belief' in the passage you just quoted.

 

I never ever said that, I believe:

 

> “delivery means to suddenly drop dead.”

 

This is a lie. In the quote I was discussing (letter to JPS) ‘delivery’ is

equated with being ‘transferred to the spiritual sky’ as you well know. So

delivery means to be transferred to the spiritual sky, not simply to 'drop

dead'. Millions of living entities drop dead every single day, but this does

not mean they are delivered. You are using this blatant lie as a pathetic

excuse for not proving the following claim:

 

“Srila Prabhupada cannot initiate the delivery of disciples on this planet

without being present (incarnated) on this planet” (Ramakanta das)

 

Please withdraw this lie immediately. This is a very low class method of debate

and simply exposes your desperation at not being able to support your claim

with evidence. It will not get you anywhere since I shall not move from your

claim until you:

 

a) withdraw your lie

and

b) take up one of the 3 options I have offered.

 

Failing the above, like you, I shall not want further discussion.

Best wishes

Ys

Yadu

 

 

 

 

Ramakanta (das) HKS (PAMHO.NET SysOp) (Zurich - CH)

<Ramakanta.HKS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Initiations in ISKCON <Initiations.in.ISKCON (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Tuesday, January 9, 2007 7:07:00 AM

Re: Please prove your claim or withdraw it.

 

 

Dear Yaduraja Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

> I never, ever stated that I believe:

>

> “delivery means to suddenly drop dead.”

 

On Nov 27, 2006 you wrote:

 

> To try to get around this you then bizarrely argued that delivery takes

> place at the time of initiation. Yet if we again apply reductio ad

> absurdum this would mean that the souls of all Srila Prabhupada’s newly

> initiated disciples would have been transferred to the spiritual sky at

> the end of the initiation ceremony (that is how the term ‘delivered’ was

> defined in the evidence YOU put forward- letter to JPS).

>

> If this had been the case then initiation ceremonies would have appeared

> rather morbid affairs to onlookers, whereby, at the dropping in the fire

> of the last banana, all the disciples would suddenly drop dead.

 

On Nov 27, 2006 you also wrote that the process of diksa may take many

lifetimes. So far you have presented any matching evidence of this claim.

 

ys Ramakanta dasa

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Yaduraja Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

 

> “Srila Prabhupada cannot initiate the delivery of disciples on this planet

> without being present (incarnated) on this planet”

 

It is nice that you repeat this statement so often.

 

 

> a) withdraw your lie

 

Sorry, I did not know that you do not believe everything what you write.

I am glad to see that you do not believe that one has to suddenly drop dead

in order to be delivered.

 

 

> b) take up one of the 3 options I have offered.

 

I chose 2). But you will have to do it without any input from me.

 

 

My guess was correct, you will not dismember my latest challenge. So it

remains intact: You don't know what you are talking about.

 

 

You can at any time give up and drop out of the debate.

 

 

ys Ramakanta dasa