Full Moon Vishnu Truth Speaking Sankalpa-to Surya and Debby, Henni

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Namaste Surya and friends,

 

I asked Swami to define truth and how we can relate to the sankalpa of

speaking/ living truth in this world.

 

Swami replied: "I think your question, What is Truth? is unfair.

Everyone from Pontius Pilate to present day philosophers have asked

the question, and I don't think I should answer in an email.

 

However, let's try to set self-knowledge as a standard. We know when

we are cheating. Let's accept that as our first level of sankalpa."

 

Surya, I know this does not address your question about self

realization, but I cannot address it within the scope of this topic.

I live in the relative and am not self realized.

However, I want to live the best life I can, and create the most

harmony and positivity for myself and the world. So, understanding to

live a life of truth is my primary concern, and it appears to be very

important for others in our club.

Any ideas of how to live that life, please share.

 

Jai Maa Jai Swami

 

vishweshwar

 

 

On Jan 8, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Bill Fetzer wrote:

 

> Namaste Swami

>

> We are having a discussion on the club about the Vishnu Vrat.

>

> I request you to clearly and precisely define what it means to take

this sankapla, and how to act, to be truthful on every level of life,

in the relative world.

>

> Once truthful living is defined, please state what technique{s} is

utilized to achieve truthfulness.

>

> I feel we are "dancing around" the core issue of truthfulness and

how to live that life daily. We need clarity.

>

> Your comments will be greatly appreciated. Are there other texts

which expound upon the Vrat, both as a monthly sankalpa, and daily

living practice?

>

> love

>

> vish

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, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> That makes sense but it didn't answer my question. Swamiji has

asked this question before I believe and I agree with His answer. I

don't know how else to explain it. If something is infinite, how can

you draw lines around it?

>

> Truthfully, words are horrible mediums for such things. Even if we

both understand "English" and use the same words, they may have

different meanings for each of us. This is especially true with

lofty, subtle concepts like Self and Self Realization.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

> Surya

> -

> inspectionconnection108

>

> Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:45 PM

> [www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Full Moon Vishnu Truth Speaking

Sankalpa-to Surya

>

>

> NAMASTE

>

> I do not understand the question. Please explain more.

> If I look to Shree Maa as an example of an illuminated soul, I do not

> ever hear Her speak anything but the truth. So, how can I really know

> what that is?

> For me, Her words speak directly to my heart. And, the intellect

> cannot find any fault with Her speech, or actions.

> And, Her words have such power. What She says comes to pass.

>

> Does that make sense?

>

> Jai Maa Jai Swami

>

> vishweshwar

>

> , "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> wrote:

> >

> > But when is one completely Self Realized then? Is this such a

> finite thing? How can it be put in a box?

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> >

> > Surya

> > -

> > inspectionconnection108

> >

> > Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:20 PM

> > [www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Full Moon Vishnu Truth Speaking

> Sankalpa-to Chris and everyone

> >

> >

> > Namaste Chris

> >

> > I think the only way to act in complete truth is to be Self

Realized.

> > Then you are in harmony is all aspects of YourSelf and you

cannot act

> > improperly, untruthfully.

> > In the state i am in, I have to constantly discriminate and control

> > the impulse to bend the truth while speaking. Acting truthfully: for

> > me that means that whatever my mind thinks, my body does.

Whatever my

> > heart desires, my body and mind move to create.

> > Not saying one thing and doing another.

> > What do others think?

> > How would we meet this tremendous goal?

> >

> > Jai Maa Jai Swami

> >

> > vishweshwar

> >

> > , "Chris Kirner"

> > <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> > >

> > > That's odd, I know I responded, at least with a short little

> post, to

> > > Vish's post...but I don't see it!

> > >

> > > For me, this is a complicated subject. It is not always easy -

> > > sometimes very difficult - to be absolutely truthful, especially

> with

> > > yourself. But as Tanmaya pointed out in her (Oops! I should've

said

> > > "his" - sorry Tanmaya, I was thinking you were Kumari!)

reference to

> > > Ramakrishna, this vow is also about acting truthfully.

> > >

> > > How does one act in truth? Is it merely doing that which you

> have said

> > > you will do, or is there more to it? I'm really

uncertain...What do

> > > you all think?

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Vishweshwar,

> > > >

> > > > Your inspired question about Truth as a sadhana seems to have

> > slipped by

> > > > unnoticed; probably because it appeared in the last

paragraph, and

> > > > because there is so much other activity just now.

> > > >

> > > > Sri Ramakrishna never tired of repeating that "Truth is the

> discipline

> > > > of the Kali Yuga". If the very-near-at-hand Satya Yuga is

> > characterized

> > > > as the "Age of Truth", then it would only be expedient for those

> > wishing

> > > > to make a smooth transition into that age to become as much

> > aligned with

> > > > Truth as possible.

> > > >

> > > > The Kali Yuga in which we now live is characterized by brevity,

> > > > violence, impurity, and the (often conscious and intentional)

> > obscurring

> > > > of truth. As we move deeper into the immense Light of the

> Satya Yuga

> > > > those who cannot release the qualities of the Age of Untruth may

> > well go

> > > > down with the ship,--and there is a strange fascination with the

> > sinking

> > > > of the unsinkable Titanic in the collective mind which is quite

> > > > interesting.

> > > >

> > > > Sri Ramakrishna taught that if one can be unswervingly

truthful in

> > > > thought, word and deed for twelve years, that practice alone

will

> > > > release one from Maya and bestow freedom. It is a fact that

> > > > many-perhaps all-of the great world movers for good were men

> and women

> > > > with a strong devotion to truth. Washington, Lincoln,

Ghandhi, and

> > many

> > > > others had consciously molded their character to be in

> alignment with

> > > > truth.

> > > >

> > > > Sri Ramakrishna often gave the example of the simple scales used

> > in the

> > > > Bengal villiages by goldsmiths.

> > > > One stationary needle above, and a needle which moved with two

> pans

> > > > below; when the contents of the two pans were in perfect

> balance, the

> > > > lower needle would be in exactly alignment with the upper

> needle. The

> > > > lesson was not to stray from both truthfulness in thought,

> word and

> > > > deed, as well as to remain unswervingly alignmed with Truth, the

> > > > spiritual Reality, call it God, Guru, Paramatman, Avatara-or

> simply

> > > > Truth.

> > > >

> > > > Ever listening to that music, and remaining perfectly in step

> with it,

> > > > one becomes an "expert dancer". And, as Sri Ramakrishna

said, "An

> > expert

> > > > dancer becomes unable to take a false step"

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully,

> > > >

> > > > Tanmaya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "inspectionconnection108"

> > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > Tuesday night we celebrated the full moon with the monthly

> > recitation

> > > > > of the "Satya Nayayana Vrat". this is included in the book,

> > available

> > > > > from the Devi Mandir, called: "Visnu Puja, The Thousand

Names of

> > Visnu

> > > > > and The Satya Narayana Vrat".

> > > > >

> > > > > This short text is chanted at the fire, by Maa, Swami, and

> all the

> > > > > present, in order to make a group sankalpa to speak the truth.

> > > > > The text is very interesting because it includes stories to

> teach us

> > > > > why telling the truth is important.

> > > > > Maa and Swami, Ramakrishna, and other illuminated beings

> have taught

> > > > > that telling the truth in Kali Yuga is a very powerful

sadhana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Over the next days, I would like to discuss with everyone why

> > speaking

> > > > > the truth is important.

> > > > > Ask questions about the concept of speaking the truth, or

> provide

> > > > > examples from your own experience which demonstrate that

> > speaking the

> > > > > truth has helped you grow.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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