Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 ShrIgurubhyo namaH Namaste sadhakas, While reading the MaanDuUya UpaniShad bhAShya for the mantra seven, i came across these two passages: // tathA cha vakShyati: `~jnAte dvaitam na vidyate' iti. ~jnAnasya dvaita-nivritti-kShaNa-vyatirekeNa kShaNAntara-anavasthAnAt. // [ So also it will be said, `Duality ceases to exist after realization' (Kaarika I.18), for knowledge (as a mental vritti) does not continue for a second moment following the moment of the cessation of duality.] Question: What is the kShaNa 'moment' that the Acharya talks about here? Does the cessation of duality happen in a moment? And the bhashya says a little further down, // tasmAt pratiShedha-vi~jnAna-pramANa-vyApAra-samakAlA-eva Atmani adhyAropita-antaH-pra~jnatvAdi-anartha-nivrittiriti siddham // [Therefore, the conclusion arrived at is that all evils, such as being `conscious of the internal world', superimposed on the Self, cease simultaneously with the application (i.e. birth) of the instrument (pramAna) (of illumination, sAkshAtkAra) which is nothing but a valid knowledge arising from negation of duality.] Question: What is this 'birth' of illumination, sAkShAtkAra, that the Acharya talks about? Is Self-realization 'born'? What does the 'simultaneity' mean here? As i find the drift of the commentary somewhat difficult to follow, i request any of the members to expatiate on this to help a clearer understanding. Pranams, subbu Om Tat Sat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 advaitin, "subrahmanian_v" <subrahmanian_v wrote: > > ShrIgurubhyo namaH > > Namaste sadhakas, > > While reading the MaanDuUya UpaniShad bhAShya for the mantra seven, > i came across these two passages: > > > // tathA cha vakShyati: `~jnAte dvaitam na vidyate' iti. ~jnAnasya > dvaita-nivritti-kShaNa-vyatirekeNa kShaNAntara-anavasthAnAt. // > > [ So also it will be said, `Duality ceases to exist after > realization' (Kaarika I.18), for knowledge (as a mental vritti) does > not continue for a second moment following the moment of the > cessation of duality.] > > Question: What is the kShaNa 'moment' that the Acharya talks about > here? > Does the cessation of duality happen in a moment? Namaste All, Imho it means not having happened even in one moment! However for arguments sake it is said to not exist after one moment. On realisation there is no ego, no mind, so there can be no moments of time..........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 advaitin, "subrahmanian_v" <subrahmanian_v wrote: > > ShrIgurubhyo namaH > > Namaste sadhakas, > > While reading the MaanDuUya UpaniShad bhAShya for the mantra seven, > i came across these two passages: > > > // tathA cha vakShyati: `~jnAte dvaitam na vidyate' iti. ~jnAnasya > dvaita-nivritti-kShaNa-vyatirekeNa kShaNAntara-anavasthAnAt. // > > [ So also it will be said, `Duality ceases to exist after > realization' (Kaarika I.18), for knowledge (as a mental vritti) does > not continue for a second moment following the moment of the > cessation of duality.] > > Question: What is the kShaNa 'moment' that the Acharya talks about > here? > Does the cessation of duality happen in a moment? VK: Namaste, Subbu-ji. What is your objection to taking it as the moment of illumination? > > > And the bhashya says a little further down, > > // tasmAt pratiShedha-vi~jnAna-pramANa-vyApAra-samakAlA-eva Atmani > adhyAropita-antaH-pra~jnatvAdi-anartha-nivrittiriti siddham // > > [Therefore, the conclusion arrived at is that all evils, such as > being `conscious of the internal world', superimposed on the Self, > cease simultaneously with the application (i.e. birth) of the > instrument (pramAna) (of illumination, sAkshAtkAra) which is nothing > but a valid knowledge arising from negation of duality.] > > Question: What is this 'birth' of illumination, sAkShAtkAra, that > the Acharya talks about? Is Self-realization 'born'? What does > the 'simultaneity' mean here? VK. Wonderful question. "samakAla eva" (simultaneity) implies that the moment of illumination and the cessation of ignorance are simultaneous. The usual analogy offred in this connection is the following. A friend 'Gopal' is sleeping very soundly. About 10 feet away I am standing. In order to wake him up I call, rather aloud, 'Hey Gopal, get up'. And he wakes up. Now let us answer this question: Did Gopal wake up AFTER he heard me call him or BEFORE? Either way you will be wrong. For, if he woke up AFTER he heard me call him, the statement about hearing is false; because he was asleep then. He woke up only After ! The other way would also be wrong, because if he woke up BEFORE I called him then my calling him did not have any effect. The only answer could be; The calling and the waking up were simultaneous. "samakAla eva" Thus the moment of illumination and the moment of removal of ignorance are simultaneous! PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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