Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 It is immediate means no medium is required for knowledge to takes place. praNAms Sri Sadananda prabhuji Hare Krishna This is what exactly shankara says in tattusamanvayAt sUtra bhAshya by quoting R^shi vAmadEva-s realization that he has been manu & sUrya...He continues to say that this exclamation is just to show that how the shruti wards off the idea of something *to be done* in the interval between realization of brahman and becoming all this universe. Shankara further clarifies that this is analogous to the statement that *he sings standing* ( tishTan gAyati) where in it is conclusive that there is no action intervening between the acts of standing & singing....*jnAna samakAle*, * kShaNAntara*, *dhyAna samayE* etc. etc. should be understood accordingly in this context... But in my humble opinion, Sri Subbu prabhuji has something else in his mind & he is trying to convey that by quoting all these bhAshya vAkya-s ( commentaries)....May I ask Sri Subbu prabhuji to educate us about the purpose behind quoting these statements of shankara. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 --- subrahmanian_v <subrahmanian_v > wrote: > > [ Yes. The above analysis is quite appropriate. A question arises: > Does the 'clear vision of the Truth' take place or not? If it does > take place, there has to be admitted a time when it happens. No > event takes place outside time. Subbu - PraNams. Here is what I think. Realization is moment in time or not depends on from what reference. Realization as you know involves the cessation of reality to the very time concept. Therefore from the point of realized soul for whom the illumination and negation of duality refer to it will automatically involve negation of reality to the time concept also. However from the point of transaction reality, yes, the sequence, the cause-effect and the moment in time all have relevance. The turiiam is describing a state to which the BhAshya partains to is described as 'naantaH prajnam nabahirprajnanam ... prapancopasamam' etc involves the cessation of the knower-known dualistic state and therefore cessation of time concept as well. When I go to sleep, does that going to sleep - that sleep experience occurs at a particular time or not. Not for the sleeper, since going to sleep involves folding the mind that measures the time as well. No one knows at what time he starts sleeping. Oh! when he gets up he is back to the time concept. But this will not work for the state of realization since he will never come back to the vyavahaara state with the same frame of mind - yat gatvaa na nivartante tat dhaama paramam mama - one has gone to that state no return from that state - says Krishna. Hari Om! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 advaitin, "subrahmanian_v" <subrahmanian_v wrote: Namaste, Just a correction in the Sanskrit usage: 'yadA', 'yasmin kAle', tasmin avasthAyAm', etc. indicating > time. In the above, pl. read as : tasyAm avasthAyAm...... (The error is explained thus: tasmin is an adjective used with masculine or neuter genders. Its feminine equivalent is 'tasyaam' to go with the word 'avasthA' which is feminine.) The error is regretted. > With respectful pranams, > subbu > Om Tat Sat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 advaitin, bhaskar.yr wrote: > > > It is immediate means no medium is required for knowledge to takes place. > > praNAms Sri Sadananda prabhuji > Hare Krishna > > This is what exactly shankara says in tattusamanvayAt sUtra bhAshya by > quoting R^shi vAmadEva-s realization that he has been manu & sUrya...He > continues to say that this exclamation is just to show that how the shruti > wards off the idea of something *to be done* in the interval between > realization of brahman and becoming all this universe. Shankara further > clarifies that this is analogous to the statement that *he sings standing* > ( tishTan gAyati) where in it is conclusive that there is no action > intervening between the acts of standing & singing....*jnAna samakAle*, * > kShaNAntara*, *dhyAna samayE* etc. etc. should be understood accordingly in > this context... > > But in my humble opinion, Sri Subbu prabhuji has something else in his mind > & he is trying to convey that by quoting all these bhAshya vAkya-s ( > commentaries)....May I ask Sri Subbu prabhuji to educate us about the > purpose behind quoting these statements of shankara. > > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! > bhaskar > Namaste All, TALKS WITH SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI-74 TALK 355: D.: Does not education make a sage more useful to the world than illiteracy? M.: Even a learned man must bow before the illiterate sage. Illiteracy is ignorance: education is learned ignorance. Both of them are ignorant of their true aim; whereas a sage is not ignorant because there is no aim for him. Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote: Dear Sadaji, Pranams, Like brahman, the concept of Jivan Mukti is most complex one to understand. IMHO we cannot say the the vyavahara state doesnt come back. That is because when a disciple approaches a brahma jnani, he starts lesson from nityanitya vastu viveka! If the notion of duality is completely lost how can he come down to the level of the student? But he does come. When i was reading some works on Raja Yoga same thing was told by the commenting Swami. He told that the enlightened one doesnt forget all the stages of his evolution and sadhana after brahma jnana. That is why when a earnest student fails to realise the truth inspite of repeated teaching he never gets bored and he becomes more compassionate because he remembers distinctly that he also had to go through all that, at the time of his sadhana. As in the case of the mirage example the mirage comes back and with that always there will be knowledge that 'it is a mirage' so he is never deluded. Beyond this it is impossible to say what exactly happens to the jnani after enlightenment. The jnani is beyond time but if you ask him what is the time? perhaps he may say say that it is 4 o clock! We say that knower known notion is completely lost and on the other hand he remembers exactly all the issues in the vyavahara level too including his name. Isnt it mysterious? In states there was a lecture arranged for Swami Vivekananda and audience were waiting and as it was delayed the organizers were running here and there to find swamiji. One of them saw that Swamiji was coming very casually and he asked you are late, hurry up and come at once to the lecture hall. He solomnly replied 'I am beyond time' and yet he knew that he was late!! Yours in Sri Ramakrishna, Br. Vinayaka > When I go to sleep, does that going to sleep - that sleep experience occurs at a particular time > or not. Not for the sleeper, since going to sleep involves folding the mind that measures the > time as well. No one knows at what time he starts sleeping. Oh! when he gets up he is back to the > time concept. But this will not work for the state of realization since he will never come back to > the vyavahaara state with the same frame of mind - yat gatvaa na nivartante tat dhaama paramam > mama - one has gone to that state no return from that state - says Krishna. > > Hari Om! > Sadananda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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