State of Enlightened Soul After Death

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Dear Friends,

 

I would appreciate your input on this issue I have been thinking

about. Many books describe how to get enlightened and how to live

life after getting enlightened. However, I am yet to find one that

describes what the enlightened soul does after death. Yes it is true

it enters the astral world like other souls and stays there without

rebirth. But this still does not explain what it does after death?

 

I know the Universe (using this word for all existence) exists in a

state of Onenness and there is no difference between the individual

and the whole, except in perception. I would like to know some hard

facts about what a fully enligtened soul does after death if it does

not reincarnate for the benefit of the unrealized ones?

 

Brahman goes through a process of creation, sustenance, dissolution,

rest, creation, sustenance, dissolution, rest etc (Brahma, Vishnu and

Shiva). My primary concern and other question here in this whole

process is what happens to the fully enlightened soul at the end of

the trillions of years existence, when it goes through dissolution

and enters the "rest" period before creation again?

 

Without entering into philosophical speculation, has anyone studied

any scriptures which give answers to these questions?

 

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

, "brhaman888" <b2u3 wrote:

>

I know the Universe (using this word for all existence) exists in a

state of Onenness and there is no difference between the individual

and the whole, except in perception. I would like to know some hard

facts about what a fully enligtened soul does after death if it does

not reincarnate for the benefit of the unrealized ones?

 

Brahman goes through a process of creation, sustenance, dissolution,

rest, creation, sustenance, dissolution, rest etc (Brahma, Vishnu

and Shiva). My primary concern and other question here in this whole

process is what happens to the fully enlightened soul at the end of

the trillions of years existence, when it goes through dissolution

and enters the "rest" period before creation again?

 

 

This def has no scriptural basis. My own opinion.

 

What does fully enlightened soul does after death?

They stay up there playing bingo! or cards until they are called

upon by DEVI : You're wanted. You see that young un's asking for

guidance. Now go down there and do what ure suppose to do!

 

 

What happen when you throw a pinch of salt into the sea?

 

Why worry abt death when we have not truly grasp the living?

 

or lets rephrase the above sentence again : if you want to know what

the enlighten does after death, the answer is in the living.

[Guest guest]

It is only in life that there is difference between the enlightened

and the dark/ignorant. Death equals all and soul of enlightened does

what ever soul of the worst sinner does. Sorry I could not resist

speculation.

, "brhaman888" <b2u3 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> I would appreciate your input on this issue I have been thinking

> about. Many books describe how to get enlightened and how to live

> life after getting enlightened. However, I am yet to find one that

> describes what the enlightened soul does after death. Yes it is

true

> it enters the astral world like other souls and stays there without

> rebirth. But this still does not explain what it does after death?

>

> I know the Universe (using this word for all existence) exists in a

> state of Onenness and there is no difference between the individual

> and the whole, except in perception. I would like to know some hard

> facts about what a fully enligtened soul does after death if it

does

> not reincarnate for the benefit of the unrealized ones?

>

> Brahman goes through a process of creation, sustenance,

dissolution,

> rest, creation, sustenance, dissolution, rest etc (Brahma, Vishnu

and

> Shiva). My primary concern and other question here in this whole

> process is what happens to the fully enlightened soul at the end of

> the trillions of years existence, when it goes through dissolution

> and enters the "rest" period before creation again?

>

> Without entering into philosophical speculation, has anyone studied

> any scriptures which give answers to these questions?

>

> Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

, "sitam_subba"

<sitam_subba

wrote:

>

>

> It is only in life that there is difference between the

enlightened

> and the dark/ignorant. Death equals all and soul of enlightened

does what ever soul of the worst sinner does. Sorry I could not

resist speculation.

 

 

Well I thought its good to speculate once in a while.

 

So as long as we stuck in this physical body, we are subjected to

this state of differentiation. Our mind will always create this

differences. Who is more enlighten or ignorant.

 

So if the soul of the enlighten does what ever soul of the worst

sinner does, there is no difference between the enlighten and the

sinner. I can do the worst crime against humanity, and I know my

soul will does what ever the soul of the saint/sage does?

[Guest guest]

I am just thinking aloud, about the paradox in Hindu rituals after death. Breaking the pot of ashes is the final act . All the elements are back to where they came from.And again after an year and another ceremony, the soul will leave for ever irreversibly. The paradox is--Fate of the soul depends on how well the son of dead person performed rituals and not just on how good the dead person was. Some Hindu Yogis are of course buried and not always in horizontal position. The spot is worshipped and people believe that the soul exists in that spot. Yogi, the most venerated and enlightened of the Hindus does not get the Hindu ritual which guarantees a place in Heaven or Vaikunth One would think that it is the Yogi more than any body that deserves a place in Heaven.

 

NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote: , "sitam_subba"

<sitam_subba

wrote:

>

>

> It is only in life that there is difference between the

enlightened

> and the dark/ignorant. Death equals all and soul of enlightened

does what ever soul of the worst sinner does. Sorry I could not

resist speculation.

 

Well I thought its good to speculate once in a while.

 

So as long as we stuck in this physical body, we are subjected to

this state of differentiation. Our mind will always create this

differences. Who is more enlighten or ignorant.

 

So if the soul of the enlighten does what ever soul of the worst

sinner does, there is no difference between the enlighten and the

sinner. I can do the worst crime against humanity, and I know my

soul will does what ever the soul of the saint/sage does?

 

 

 

 

 

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I really would appreciate someone's input on this unless of course

nobody here is aware of it. What is the point of all this

worshipping, meditations etc. if one does not know what is going to

be the end result apart from liberation within a short temporary

life.

 

I heard that after death the Enlightened Liberated Souls enter into

some Grand Samadhi because they do not take rebirth. I would like to

know if there are any books that describe this Samadhi that the Soul

enters into after it has left the body permanently.

 

All the books I have read so far just tell you get enlightened, get

enlightened, get enlightened but don't describe in depth what happens

within an enlightened samadhi both within this life and after. Then

they give some brief description explaining that there is no

definition or description for Samadhi but you should aim for it. I

think it would be much more easier if one can get more detail about

these things especially if so much time and effort is invested behind

it.

 

Also I would like to know what loka in the Astral World the

enlightened souls enter after their MahaSamadi death and what happens

to them and this loka when the Universe enters Cosmic Dissolution.

[Guest guest]

, "brhaman888" <b2u3 wrote:

 

>> I really would appreciate someone's input on this unless of

course nobody here is aware of it.

 

Your appreciation seems very arrogance. Despite several input from

sitam_subba etc, you never even say thank you. You continue to

demand answers all the time. When you do not get it, you get

impatient. Maybe you are not meant to get any answers at all. Even

if the answer is laid before you, you are too blind to see any of

it, because your mind are already fix into what you want to hear and

see.

 

 

>> What is the point of all this worshipping, meditations etc. if

one does not know what is going to be the end result apart from

liberation within a short temporary life.

 

 

This is the same as asking : what is the goal of our journey? What

is more important : the journey itself or the goal? What should we

pay attention to : the transformation or the goal?

 

In my opinion : If your processes is right, you will definitely

reach your goal. But again what is the goal we are looking at? For

every beginning should there be an end? If there is where is the end

and where is the beginning?

 

yes! you are right, if we do not know our goal, why in the first

place we even embarked in this journey. But look: we are here now.

That is the fact of life. Instead of trying to find : Who I am? and

Why am I here, Should we not ask: this is what I am, this is who I

am at this present life time, and where can I go from here. What

can I do to make this life time more meaningful. It is said, when

the tiger dies, it leaves his skin for others to wonder at the

beauty of the tiger. But for human we leave our names, irregardless

of good or bad.

 

Perhaps too its the tendency of us, being human that is that we

always expect something in return. When I do this for you, I expect

something in return, otherwise all this are a waste of time.

 

As far as Im concern, who cares what happen to me when I die. Where

my soul goes to is not my concern. I leave it to DEVI to decide. If

she wants me to be reborn, so it be. SHE must have her own reasons

for it. If she wants me to spend the rest of it up there playing

bingo! that too is okay with me. Which ever way, it okay with me.

Why should I have this fear and worry about what will happen to me

when the real problem that I should be paying attention to is the

situation around me: The pain, the suffering, etc. If you feel

strongly about what is happening, then do something about it. I do

not need scriptures evidence to prove my point. To me this is just

plain logic as I understand it.

 

 

>> What is the point of all this worshipping, meditations etc. if

one does not know what is going to be the end result apart from

liberation within a short temporary life."

 

Why do you say all these? Because you are afraid. You are so afraid

of what happen to you when you die or what happen to your soul. Why

this fear? Why should there be any fear in the first place.

 

>> I heard that after death the Enlightened Liberated Souls enter

into some Grand Samadhi because they do not take rebirth. I would

like to know if there are any books that describe this Samadhi that

the Soul enters into after it has left the body permanently.

 

 

Good so why not tell us where you heard this? Let me ask you, even

if there is books written about it, is it real experience or just

thoughts/assumpiton? Even if there is such book, can you really take

it as true? I don't know, from my understand, I go back to DEVI.

That is where I know I will go. I will become parts of her body :

her eyes, her ears, her nose and cells in her body. That too if DEVI

wishes it.

 

 

The only way for us to know if that soul that have gone to the Grand

Samadhi, to able to come back and tells us about. How can one write

on something they have no knowledge of. Unless of course its DEVI

herself. It's the same as saying those who died in Hiroshima to

come back and tell what was it like to die in Atomic Bomb Attack.

 

 

>> All the books I have read so far just tell you get enlightened,

get enlightened, get enlightened but don't describe in depth what

happens within an enlightened samadhi both within this life and

after. Then they give some brief description explaining that there

is no definition or description for Samadhi but you should aim for

it. I think it would be much more easier if one can get more detail

about these things especially if so much time and effort is invested

behind it.

 

Why! I like to ask, what good does this do to the present moment.

You get enlightened so what next? What can you do about it? Will it

make this world a more peaceful place to be? Will it stop wars or

killing? Then perhaps you are right, all these meditation, prayers

and Samadhi too is a waste of time, because it does no good to

humanity.

 

I personally believe this obsession is a trap. The ego entrapment

the soul. Instead of trying to move forward, to be free, you carry

yourself these unnecessary baggage. Then you ask : why I feel so

heavy. Why am I taking such a long time in this journey.

 

 

My apology. These are my random thought.

[Guest guest]

What one reads in books and what other people have explained here

have those answers one seeks.

 

Only issue here is, like several others (here on this group as well)

who do not understand or fail to grasp the hidden meanings, people

who ask questions do not have the level of "enlightenment" in other

words, the patience to dwell on the stated answer, think and arrive

at the hidden meaning.

 

This path is not where one gets ready-made answers as in a study

guide. But more like doing research, leading to a Ph. D.

 

No one is going to be awarded a Ph. D. on a problem (as in a research

problem) which is already resolved.

 

For example, on the question of what enlightened souls do after

death, was clearly explained by Nora....as playing bingo until SHE

wishes their services to enlighten someone. They do reside in one of

the Avarnas of Srinagaram, until their further services are commanded

by HER.

 

This is something very simple to understand if one knows how

to "read" the posted messages. That is if one knows and recognizes

that there are realized souls around in this World.

 

Typical issue with human beings is, they tend to think others are no

better than themselves (intellectually and spiritually). It is more

pronounced on the net, as font has no emotions, no

personality....just shoot off a couple of questions and get P.O-ed at

answers...easy to do.

 

G

 

, "brhaman888" <b2u3 wrote:

>

> I really would appreciate someone's input on this unless of course

> nobody here is aware of it. What is the point of all this

> worshipping, meditations etc. if one does not know what is going to

> be the end result apart from liberation within a short temporary

> life.

>

> I heard that after death the Enlightened Liberated Souls enter into

> some Grand Samadhi because they do not take rebirth. I would like

to

> know if there are any books that describe this Samadhi that the

Soul

> enters into after it has left the body permanently.

>

> All the books I have read so far just tell you get enlightened, get

> enlightened, get enlightened but don't describe in depth what

happens

> within an enlightened samadhi both within this life and after. Then

> they give some brief description explaining that there is no

> definition or description for Samadhi but you should aim for it. I

> think it would be much more easier if one can get more detail about

> these things especially if so much time and effort is invested

behind

> it.

>

> Also I would like to know what loka in the Astral World the

> enlightened souls enter after their MahaSamadi death and what

happens

> to them and this loka when the Universe enters Cosmic Dissolution.

>