Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Dear RamPriyaji, While agreeing to You , At times smaller the person taking the carrot its more effective. And at times bigger the person taking the carrot, and smaller the carrot but better the quality of the carrot, it is the same. Depends on the quality of the carrot and the person eating it. regards, Bhaskar. , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > On 1/16/07, Bipul Pathak <bipul.pathak wrote: > > > > > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say go for 5 > > carat > > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller pieces. > > > > > The bigger the carrot, the better. I agree. > > Ramapriya > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Mr.Chandrashekhar, I do appreciate and agree with your views about the weight of Gemstone.In fact there are not hard and fast rules written in samhitas regarding the weight of Gems even 5.25 carat or Ratti etc and you are right that there are references to how Gems are to be used and quality in Puranas but not about the weight. God bless Shashie Shekhar Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pathakji, There are references to how gems are to be used in Puranas and samhitas. They do not prescribe any weight being the minimum weight. There are also hints in the local practices at certain festivals. May I know the source for the prescription of weight on gems. I may sound a sceptic but I have not seen an astrologer prescribing a 5 carat Diamond to a jataka. Do you not think that gems with flaws would point towards a tatwa other than one sought to be balanced. I am certain you must have based your opinion on some classical reference and would be obliged if you could point me to it. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Bipul Pathak wrote: > > Dear Mr. Shekhar, > > I beg to differ that you can use smaller pieces of the gemstones to > get the > same result as from a 5 carat stone. In my practice it does not work > at all. > It is more ornamental than anything else. The thumb rules are used in > Stone > prescription. There is hardly any classical astrological basis for > Gemstone > remedy except in Ayurveda and Puranas. So the weight has to be decided as > per the knowledge passed down from people who have used them. > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say go for 5 > carat > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller pieces. They > just do > not work. This I have dealt in my book"BOOK OF GEMSTONES" published by > Sagar Publications, New Delhi. If you lay hadns upon this book...you can > read the relevant chapter. > > Regards, > Bipul Pathak > > On 1/16/07, Shashie Shekhar > > wrote: > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear friends, > > How weight and size of Gemstone should we wear?This matter is so > confusing > > now a days.There are different thoughts about the same,according to me 5 > > to 7 carat > > Gemstone of good quality is quite enough for one but > flawless,transparent > > and clear Gemstones of such weight are quite costly that are not > affordable > > for each person.Therefore one should purchase 2 to 4 pieces of small > size > > Gemstones of good quality that become quite cheaper in comparison to big > > size and get fixed them in a ring making the suggested total weight > in place > > of one Gemstone as we use in Diamond and Navratna Gemstone rings > because to > > reach the rays of Gemstone up to skin is quite enough except > Coral,Pearl etc > > that are comparetively cheaper and touch to skin is needed. > > > > God bless > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > wrote: > > Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:05:42 -0800 (PST) > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > Re: Tourmaline - Turmali - Vaikrant Gemstone > > Astro_Remedies > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear friends, > > Tourmaline in English,Turmali in Hindi and Vaikrant in Sanskrit is a > > unique and extremely useful semi-precious Gemstone.It is found in > various > > colours as Green, > > Blue,Pink,Red,Yellow,Black,White and Reddish Brown.Sometimes it has two > > colours in one piece.Red - Pink Turmali seems like Ruby that is called > > RUBELLITE and Green is called Brazilian Emerald.This Gemstone > absorbs Sun > > light's effects maximum in comparison to any other Gemstone.Therefore it > > gives its results soon and more effectively.I admire this Gemstone too > > much to see its amazing results.As- > > [1] It removes worries / troubles and provides solutions & Peace. > > [2] To wear Green Tourmaline is highly useful for Businessmen and > success > > is almost sure. > > [3] Green Tourmaline is a boon for the children who are weak in their > > studies or have some mental problem / weakness.It improves > intelligence / > > concentration. > > [4] Pink Turmali is quite helpful in the time of crises.It reduces > > obstacles.The persons who have Sun in Libra in their birth chart should > > wear this and it will be highly beneficial for them. > > [5] It "specially Green Turmali" helps in reducing obesity. > > It should be worn in silver only. > > > > With all good wishes > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > in the Answers Food & Drink Q&A. > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Mr.Bharat, Namaskar, I highly welcome your views about the weight of Gemstone and on related subject. The Gemstones which have transparent nature,can give their effects by its rays only and the others which do not have such nature as Pearl,Coral,Opal etc it is needed for them to keep in touch with the skin.We all without knowledge or learning are just like rough but education gives us acceptability,as the same Gemstones give their propar effect after cutting and polishing.I am agree with you that there should be some apparatus which could define the different results of two Emeralds.I do appriciate you for your positive thinking. God bless Shashie Shekhar Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology > wrote: Namaskaar Sri Shashie Small gemstones work as fine as big gemstones. It is only a notion that people live by, that only bigger gemstones work. Anything in your intimate zone is connected to your prana and changes the aura. I have personally used gemstones as small as 1.4 carats to get their effects. Many of my friends, clients, and others have benefited too from small gemstones. Many people think that only clear stones work. If that is true, then Opal should not work nor should Pearl work. I have worked with many crystal healers and they use tumbled stones to heal. All tumbled stones are fully included. They aren't flawless or clear. Take a fully included Emerald and place it on the heart chakra, your emotions will stabilize. They work! A gemstone in a natural state is a rough. It is cut and polished by human beings. The flaw of the stones therefore, refer to human beings categorization of assessment of value of a gemstone based on marketability of the said gem. The inclusions in gemstones should not be seen as flaws, but as inclusions. These are natural inclusions. There is nothing wrong with them. In fact, they aid in the identification of the gemstone. So people who cannot afford "Inclusion Free-IF" gemstones can go in for Very Slightly included, slightly included, etc. gemstones. Moreover, each gemstone is separate. Two different Emeralds will give different results, even when both are Inclusion-Free stones. This really is something we all need to study. I wish we had an apparatus with which we could study auric changes by keeping gemstones around a person. Puranas and its text is meant for a certain understanding, that is related to understanding of the Vedas. Moreover, it is a cryptic text where analogies are given to understand the passages of the Vedas well. The correct understanding of Garuda Purana is paramount before we can take its quotes for gemstone purposes. The above paragraphs are purely my thinking and I do not wish to impose or propose this thinking to anyone. Everyone is free to have their own conclusions and kindly do not debate the above with me. Draw your own conclusions. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 1/16/07, Shashie Shekhar wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Mr.Pathak, > I am sorry but i am not agree with your views.Experience has more worth in > comparison to so called thumb rule.If small pieces are not useful than how > can small pieces of Diamond or Gemstones in Navratna ring be > significant?Mere two carat of flawless Gemstone is more powerful or > effective in place of five carat minor flaw Gems.I saw number of persons > wearing seven to eight carat flawfull Gemstones who have complaint about the > result of said Gemstones.Are Puranas are not authentic? I think Puranas > have more worth in comparison to current books. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > > > Bipul Pathak > wrote: > Dear Mr. Shekhar, > > I beg to differ that you can use smaller pieces of the gemstones to get > the > same result as from a 5 carat stone. In my practice it does not work at > all. > It is more ornamental than anything else. The thumb rules are used in > Stone > prescription. There is hardly any classical astrological basis for > Gemstone > remedy except in Ayurveda and Puranas. So the weight has to be decided as > per the knowledge passed down from people who have used them. > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say go for 5 > carat > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller pieces. They just > do > not work. This I have dealt in my book"BOOK OF GEMSTONES" published by > Sagar Publications, New Delhi. If you lay hadns upon this book...you can > read the relevant chapter. > > Regards, > Bipul Pathak > > On 1/16/07, Shashie Shekhar > wrote: > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear friends, > > How weight and size of Gemstone should we wear?This matter is so > confusing > > now a days.There are different thoughts about the same,according to me 5 > > to 7 carat > > Gemstone of good quality is quite enough for one but > flawless,transparent > > and clear Gemstones of such weight are quite costly that are not > affordable > > for each person.Therefore one should purchase 2 to 4 pieces of small > size > > Gemstones of good quality that become quite cheaper in comparison to big > > size and get fixed them in a ring making the suggested total weight in > place > > of one Gemstone as we use in Diamond and Navratna Gemstone rings because > to > > reach the rays of Gemstone up to skin is quite enough except Coral,Pearl > etc > > that are comparetively cheaper and touch to skin is needed. > > > > God bless > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > wrote: > > Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:05:42 -0800 (PST) > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > Re: Tourmaline - Turmali - Vaikrant Gemstone > > Astro_Remedies > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear friends, > > Tourmaline in English,Turmali in Hindi and Vaikrant in Sanskrit is a > > unique and extremely useful semi-precious Gemstone.It is found in > various > > colours as Green, > > Blue,Pink,Red,Yellow,Black,White and Reddish Brown.Sometimes it has two > > colours in one piece.Red - Pink Turmali seems like Ruby that is called > > RUBELLITE and Green is called Brazilian Emerald.This Gemstone absorbs > Sun > > light's effects maximum in comparison to any other Gemstone.Therefore it > > gives its results soon and more effectively.I admire this Gemstone too > > much to see its amazing results.As- > > [1] It removes worries / troubles and provides solutions & Peace. > > [2] To wear Green Tourmaline is highly useful for Businessmen and > success > > is almost sure. > > [3] Green Tourmaline is a boon for the children who are weak in their > > studies or have some mental problem / weakness.It improves intelligence > / > > concentration. > > [4] Pink Turmali is quite helpful in the time of crises.It reduces > > obstacles.The persons who have Sun in Libra in their birth chart should > > wear this and it will be highly beneficial for them. > > [5] It "specially Green Turmali" helps in reducing obesity. > > It should be worn in silver only. > > > > With all good wishes > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > in the Answers Food & Drink Q&A. > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Bhaskar Bhai, Ram Ram You are very right.Further small and good quality carrot become more sweet even general eating for every one but we have to do more efforts for making big carrot sweet and eatable having mixed sugar and milk for giving the shape of halwa even than sugar patients can not eat it. God bless Shashie Shekhar Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear RamPriyaji, While agreeing to You , At times smaller the person taking the carrot its more effective. And at times bigger the person taking the carrot, and smaller the carrot but better the quality of the carrot, it is the same. Depends on the quality of the carrot and the person eating it. regards, Bhaskar. , "D Ramapriya" wrote: > > On 1/16/07, Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say go for 5 > > carat > > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller pieces. > > > > > The bigger the carrot, the better. I agree. > > Ramapriya > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear Shashie Bhai, Ram Ram, That was a good one. Thre are many objects for use in this world, which though smaller, but better in quality are more costlier, which includes diamonds and emeralds. best regards, Bhaskar. , Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Bhaskar Bhai, > Ram Ram > You are very right.Further small and good quality carrot become more sweet even general eating for every one but we have to do more efforts for making big carrot sweet and eatable having mixed sugar and milk for giving the shape of halwa even than sugar patients can not eat it. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear RamPriyaji, > > While agreeing to You , At times smaller the person taking > the carrot its more effective. And at times bigger the person > taking the carrot, and smaller the carrot but better the > quality of the carrot, it is the same. Depends on the quality > of the carrot and the person eating it. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "D Ramapriya" > wrote: > > > > On 1/16/07, Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say go > for 5 > > > carat > > > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller pieces. > > > > > > > > > The bigger the carrot, the better. I agree. > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Ram Ram Shashie Bhai, I could not remember in the morning to add one more item, Elaichi kela (Bananas),here they cost Rs.36- per dozen,though much smaller than the normal bananas which much larger in size but cost Rs.1 or 1.50 per pc. Nowadays I am not seeing you on chat. Its a refreshing change when you come, then most of the other people coming on the chat who after prelimnaries jump on the various aspects of their horoscope charts or their family members or their stupid meaningless marriage incompatibilities. Not heard from Prafulla Bhai also for a long time. I remember you both quite frequently. all the best, Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shashie Bhai, > > Ram Ram, > That was a good one. > Thre are many objects for use in this world, which though > smaller, but better in quality are more costlier, which includes > diamonds and emeralds. > > best regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar > <polite_astro@> wrote: > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai, > > Ram Ram > > You are very right.Further small and good quality carrot become > more sweet even general eating for every one but we have to do more > efforts for making big carrot sweet and eatable having mixed sugar > and milk for giving the shape of halwa even than sugar patients can > not eat it. > > > > God bless > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear RamPriyaji, > > > > While agreeing to You , At times smaller the person taking > > the carrot its more effective. And at times bigger the person > > taking the carrot, and smaller the carrot but better the > > quality of the carrot, it is the same. Depends on the quality > > of the carrot and the person eating it. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "D Ramapriya" > > wrote: > > > > > > On 1/16/07, Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say go > > for 5 > > > > carat > > > > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller pieces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The bigger the carrot, the better. I agree. > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Mr.Pathak, Proper fencing of the house,watchman outside the house and to depute personal guards are quite needed for the person who has serious threat by the strong enemy. As the same to make strong wearing Gemstones of Lagan (Health), 5th (Wisdom/Prudence) and 9th (Fate) lord is needed for the native who faces mahadasa of some highly melafic planet.It is quite simple. Narad Puran provides very little space for Gemstones in comparison of Garura, Matasya and Bhavishya Puran.Narad Puran is mainly based on Falit, Muhurta and calculations as far as astrology is concern. Why the remedies like Japa,Daan,Tanatra,Mantra and Gemstone etc are so needed for human being?It is absolutely sure no one remedy can remove our bad Karmas(Sanchit Karma) but remedies can help for doing present Karma (Kiryaman Karma)in proper way or more better without giving harm to some one by Mansa,Vacha & Karmana so that one might not increase his bad Karmas further.Remedies are helpful to make the balance of the planets placed in the birth chart and if one maintains his balace of mind,he will think proper & positive even in crisis period. Does spiritually envolved person become God? Who can removes the bad lines of ill fated person?Can he not serves the human being like an astrologer? God bless Shashie Shekhar Bipul Pathak <bipul.pathak > wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar Sir, Narada Puran prescribes use of gems for specific uses. Diamond is exception and one carat is prescribed. Rest all are usually prescribed in the range of 4 to 5 carats. Actually traditional astrologers prescribe through the system of Savaya. Means..they precribe 4.25 or 5.25 rattis...which amounts to between 4 to 5 carats. As I said earlier, there is no classical astrological basis for Gemstone prescription. No Astrology classic has told about use of gemstone. Even Parshara has prescribed other remedies not gemstones. Though I am not a Vedic expert but whatever I have read of Puranas, I find no mention about weight of gems. This very thing made me write about this system in the book mentioned. It deals with the way I prescribe and I feel the system discussed in the book is scientific but uses traditional method of deciding the weight.The source is learning through interacting with astrologers who have been prescribing it for years and then after testing with many of my own clients. Regarding Navratna lockets etc. discussed by Sh. Shashi, they are ornamental in nature. Indian Women wear them all the time in their earrings as well as rings. But they still do not derive any benefit connected with any of the stones. Actually, in my practice, I have been asking people to remove Gemstones and then many of their problems go away any way. Navamsha shows subtle aspects of the operation of a planet. You can not strengthen a planet which is acting malefic for you. The best is to propitiate it through Puja rather than stregthen it. Thus looking at running Dasha and Navamsha indicates exact picture about a particula stone.ThoughSh. Shashi has every right to disagree and have his own views which I appreciate much. I have used dynamic prescription with great benefits depending upon Dasha and at times antardasha for many persons. The system of prescription that stones for Lagna lord, 5th lord or 9th house lord are always benefic...is totally ridiculous in my opinion I have seen numerous prescriptions based on this going haywire as the person prescribing did not look at the Navamsha or the dasha running. Above all, I have learnt that Gemstones do not change your karma and hence destiny. They affect your environment and the best benefits available through gems are in terms of health benefits and improvements and at times change of outlook which makes you cope with adversity better. This is my humble opinion and I do not mean to offend anyone or anybody's way of prescribing of gems as long as they work well. If you are spiritually evolved person then you do not need horoscopes to predict future or prescribe gemstones. It is normal people like me who need to study charts and then decide on the gemstones. I hope you will appreciate my viewpoint in relevant context. Regards, Bipul Pathak On 1/16/07, Chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Pathakji, > > There are references to how gems are to be used in Puranas and samhitas. > They do not prescribe any weight being the minimum weight. There are > also hints in the local practices at certain festivals. May I know the > source for the prescription of weight on gems. I may sound a sceptic but > I have not seen an astrologer prescribing a 5 carat Diamond to a jataka. > Do you not think that gems with flaws would point towards a tatwa other > than one sought to be balanced. > > I am certain you must have based your opinion on some classical > reference and would be obliged if you could point me to it. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Shekhar, > > > > I beg to differ that you can use smaller pieces of the gemstones to > > get the > > same result as from a 5 carat stone. In my practice it does not work > > at all. > > It is more ornamental than anything else. The thumb rules are used in > > Stone > > prescription. There is hardly any classical astrological basis for > > Gemstone > > remedy except in Ayurveda and Puranas. So the weight has to be decided > as > > per the knowledge passed down from people who have used them. > > > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say go for 5 > > carat > > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller pieces. They > > just do > > not work. This I have dealt in my book"BOOK OF GEMSTONES" published by > > Sagar Publications, New Delhi. If you lay hadns upon this book...you can > > read the relevant chapter. > > > > Regards, > > Bipul Pathak > > > > On 1/16/07, Shashie Shekhar > > > wrote: > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > Dear friends, > > > How weight and size of Gemstone should we wear?This matter is so > > confusing > > > now a days.There are different thoughts about the same,according to me > 5 > > > to 7 carat > > > Gemstone of good quality is quite enough for one but > > flawless,transparent > > > and clear Gemstones of such weight are quite costly that are not > > affordable > > > for each person.Therefore one should purchase 2 to 4 pieces of small > > size > > > Gemstones of good quality that become quite cheaper in comparison to > big > > > size and get fixed them in a ring making the suggested total weight > > in place > > > of one Gemstone as we use in Diamond and Navratna Gemstone rings > > because to > > > reach the rays of Gemstone up to skin is quite enough except > > Coral,Pearl etc > > > that are comparetively cheaper and touch to skin is needed. > > > > > > God bless > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > wrote: > > > Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:05:42 -0800 (PST) > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > Re: Tourmaline - Turmali - Vaikrant Gemstone > > > Astro_Remedies > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > Dear friends, > > > Tourmaline in English,Turmali in Hindi and Vaikrant in Sanskrit is a > > > unique and extremely useful semi-precious Gemstone.It is found in > > various > > > colours as Green, > > > Blue,Pink,Red,Yellow,Black,White and Reddish Brown.Sometimes it has > two > > > colours in one piece.Red - Pink Turmali seems like Ruby that is called > > > RUBELLITE and Green is called Brazilian Emerald.This Gemstone > > absorbs Sun > > > light's effects maximum in comparison to any other Gemstone.Thereforeit > > > gives its results soon and more effectively.I admire this Gemstone too > > > much to see its amazing results.As- > > > [1] It removes worries / troubles and provides solutions & Peace. > > > [2] To wear Green Tourmaline is highly useful for Businessmen and > > success > > > is almost sure. > > > [3] Green Tourmaline is a boon for the children who are weak in their > > > studies or have some mental problem / weakness.It improves > > intelligence / > > > concentration. > > > [4] Pink Turmali is quite helpful in the time of crises.It reduces > > > obstacles.The persons who have Sun in Libra in their birth chart > should > > > wear this and it will be highly beneficial for them. > > > [5] It "specially Green Turmali" helps in reducing obesity. > > > It should be worn in silver only. > > > > > > With all good wishes > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > > in the Answers Food & Drink Q&A. > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > > > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Mr.Pathak, Proper fencing of the house,watchman outside the house and to depute personal guards are quite needed for the person who has serious threat by the strong enemy. As the same to make strong wearing Gemstones of Lagan (Health), 5th (Wisdom/Prudence) and 9th (Fate) lord is needed for the native who faces mahadasa of some highly melafic planet.It is quite simple. Narad Puran provides very little space for Gemstones in comparison of Garura, Matasya and Bhavishya Puran.Narad Puran is mainly based on Falit, Muhurta and calculations as far as astrology is concern. Why the remedies like Japa,Daan,Tanatra,Mantra and Gemstone etc are so needed for human being?It is absolutely sure no one remedy can remove our bad Karmas(Sanchit Karma) but remedies can help for doing present Karma (Kiryaman Karma)in proper way or more better without giving harm to some one by Mansa,Vacha & Karmana so that one might not increase his bad Karmas further.Remedies are helpful to make the balance of the planets placed in the birth chart and if one maintains his balace of mind,he will think proper & positive even in crisis period. Does spiritually envolved person become God? Who can removes the bad lines of ill fated person.Can he not serves the human being like an astrologer? God bless Shashie Shekhar Bipul Pathak <bipul.pathak > wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar Sir, Narada Puran prescribes use of gems for specific uses. Diamond is exception and one carat is prescribed. Rest all are usually prescribed in the range of 4 to 5 carats. Actually traditional astrologers prescribe through the system of Savaya. Means..they precribe 4.25 or 5.25 rattis...which amounts to between 4 to 5 carats. As I said earlier, there is no classical astrological basis for Gemstone prescription. No Astrology classic has told about use of gemstone. Even Parshara has prescribed other remedies not gemstones. Though I am not a Vedic expert but whatever I have read of Puranas, I find no mention about weight of gems. This very thing made me write about this system in the book mentioned. It deals with the way I prescribe and I feel the system discussed in the book is scientific but uses traditional method of deciding the weight.The source is learning through interacting with astrologers who have been prescribing it for years and then after testing with many of my own clients. Regarding Navratna lockets etc. discussed by Sh. Shashi, they are ornamental in nature. Indian Women wear them all the time in their earrings as well as rings. But they still do not derive any benefit connected with any of the stones. Actually, in my practice, I have been asking people to remove Gemstones and then many of their problems go away any way. Navamsha shows subtle aspects of the operation of a planet. You can not strengthen a planet which is acting malefic for you. The best is to propitiate it through Puja rather than stregthen it. Thus looking at running Dasha and Navamsha indicates exact picture about a particula stone.ThoughSh. Shashi has every right to disagree and have his own views which I appreciate much. I have used dynamic prescription with great benefits depending upon Dasha and at times antardasha for many persons. The system of prescription that stones for Lagna lord, 5th lord or 9th house lord are always benefic...is totally ridiculous in my opinion I have seen numerous prescriptions based on this going haywire as the person prescribing did not look at the Navamsha or the dasha running. Above all, I have learnt that Gemstones do not change your karma and hence destiny. They affect your environment and the best benefits available through gems are in terms of health benefits and improvements and at times change of outlook which makes you cope with adversity better. This is my humble opinion and I do not mean to offend anyone or anybody's way of prescribing of gems as long as they work well. If you are spiritually evolved person then you do not need horoscopes to predict future or prescribe gemstones. It is normal people like me who need to study charts and then decide on the gemstones. I hope you will appreciate my viewpoint in relevant context. Regards, Bipul Pathak On 1/16/07, Chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Pathakji, > > There are references to how gems are to be used in Puranas and samhitas. > They do not prescribe any weight being the minimum weight. There are > also hints in the local practices at certain festivals. May I know the > source for the prescription of weight on gems. I may sound a sceptic but > I have not seen an astrologer prescribing a 5 carat Diamond to a jataka. > Do you not think that gems with flaws would point towards a tatwa other > than one sought to be balanced. > > I am certain you must have based your opinion on some classical > reference and would be obliged if you could point me to it. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Shekhar, > > > > I beg to differ that you can use smaller pieces of the gemstones to > > get the > > same result as from a 5 carat stone. In my practice it does not work > > at all. > > It is more ornamental than anything else. The thumb rules are used in > > Stone > > prescription. There is hardly any classical astrological basis for > > Gemstone > > remedy except in Ayurveda and Puranas. So the weight has to be decided > as > > per the knowledge passed down from people who have used them. > > > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say go for 5 > > carat > > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller pieces. They > > just do > > not work. This I have dealt in my book"BOOK OF GEMSTONES" published by > > Sagar Publications, New Delhi. If you lay hadns upon this book...you can > > read the relevant chapter. > > > > Regards, > > Bipul Pathak > > > > On 1/16/07, Shashie Shekhar > > > wrote: > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > Dear friends, > > > How weight and size of Gemstone should we wear?This matter is so > > confusing > > > now a days.There are different thoughts about the same,according to me > 5 > > > to 7 carat > > > Gemstone of good quality is quite enough for one but > > flawless,transparent > > > and clear Gemstones of such weight are quite costly that are not > > affordable > > > for each person.Therefore one should purchase 2 to 4 pieces of small > > size > > > Gemstones of good quality that become quite cheaper in comparison to > big > > > size and get fixed them in a ring making the suggested total weight > > in place > > > of one Gemstone as we use in Diamond and Navratna Gemstone rings > > because to > > > reach the rays of Gemstone up to skin is quite enough except > > Coral,Pearl etc > > > that are comparetively cheaper and touch to skin is needed. > > > > > > God bless > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > wrote: > > > Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:05:42 -0800 (PST) > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > Re: Tourmaline - Turmali - Vaikrant Gemstone > > > Astro_Remedies > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > Dear friends, > > > Tourmaline in English,Turmali in Hindi and Vaikrant in Sanskrit is a > > > unique and extremely useful semi-precious Gemstone.It is found in > > various > > > colours as Green, > > > Blue,Pink,Red,Yellow,Black,White and Reddish Brown.Sometimes it has > two > > > colours in one piece.Red - Pink Turmali seems like Ruby that is called > > > RUBELLITE and Green is called Brazilian Emerald.This Gemstone > > absorbs Sun > > > light's effects maximum in comparison to any other Gemstone.Thereforeit > > > gives its results soon and more effectively.I admire this Gemstone too > > > much to see its amazing results.As- > > > [1] It removes worries / troubles and provides solutions & Peace. > > > [2] To wear Green Tourmaline is highly useful for Businessmen and > > success > > > is almost sure. > > > [3] Green Tourmaline is a boon for the children who are weak in their > > > studies or have some mental problem / weakness.It improves > > intelligence / > > > concentration. > > > [4] Pink Turmali is quite helpful in the time of crises.It reduces > > > obstacles.The persons who have Sun in Libra in their birth chart > should > > > wear this and it will be highly beneficial for them. > > > [5] It "specially Green Turmali" helps in reducing obesity. > > > It should be worn in silver only. > > > > > > With all good wishes > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > > in the Answers Food & Drink Q&A. > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > > > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear Shashie Shekhar, Thank you for the confirmation. Chandrashekhar. Shashie Shekhar wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Mr.Chandrashekhar, > I do appreciate and agree with your views about the weight of > Gemstone.In fact there are not hard and fast rules written in samhitas > regarding the weight of Gems even 5.25 carat or Ratti etc and you are > right that there are references to how Gems are to be used and quality > in Puranas but not about the weight. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > Dear Pathakji, > > There are references to how gems are to be used in Puranas and samhitas. > They do not prescribe any weight being the minimum weight. There are > also hints in the local practices at certain festivals. May I know the > source for the prescription of weight on gems. I may sound a sceptic but > I have not seen an astrologer prescribing a 5 carat Diamond to a jataka. > Do you not think that gems with flaws would point towards a tatwa other > than one sought to be balanced. > > I am certain you must have based your opinion on some classical > reference and would be obliged if you could point me to it. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Shekhar, > > > > I beg to differ that you can use smaller pieces of the gemstones to > > get the > > same result as from a 5 carat stone. In my practice it does not work > > at all. > > It is more ornamental than anything else. The thumb rules are used in > > Stone > > prescription. There is hardly any classical astrological basis for > > Gemstone > > remedy except in Ayurveda and Puranas. So the weight has to be > decided as > > per the knowledge passed down from people who have used them. > > > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say go for 5 > > carat > > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller pieces. They > > just do > > not work. This I have dealt in my book"BOOK OF GEMSTONES" published by > > Sagar Publications, New Delhi. If you lay hadns upon this book...you can > > read the relevant chapter. > > > > Regards, > > Bipul Pathak > > > > On 1/16/07, Shashie Shekhar > > > wrote: > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > Dear friends, > > > How weight and size of Gemstone should we wear?This matter is so > > confusing > > > now a days.There are different thoughts about the same,according > to me 5 > > > to 7 carat > > > Gemstone of good quality is quite enough for one but > > flawless,transparent > > > and clear Gemstones of such weight are quite costly that are not > > affordable > > > for each person.Therefore one should purchase 2 to 4 pieces of small > > size > > > Gemstones of good quality that become quite cheaper in comparison > to big > > > size and get fixed them in a ring making the suggested total weight > > in place > > > of one Gemstone as we use in Diamond and Navratna Gemstone rings > > because to > > > reach the rays of Gemstone up to skin is quite enough except > > Coral,Pearl etc > > > that are comparetively cheaper and touch to skin is needed. > > > > > > God bless > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > wrote: > > > Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:05:42 -0800 (PST) > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > Re: Tourmaline - Turmali - Vaikrant Gemstone > > > Astro_Remedies > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > Dear friends, > > > Tourmaline in English,Turmali in Hindi and Vaikrant in Sanskrit is a > > > unique and extremely useful semi-precious Gemstone.It is found in > > various > > > colours as Green, > > > Blue,Pink,Red,Yellow,Black,White and Reddish Brown.Sometimes it > has two > > > colours in one piece.Red - Pink Turmali seems like Ruby that is called > > > RUBELLITE and Green is called Brazilian Emerald.This Gemstone > > absorbs Sun > > > light's effects maximum in comparison to any other > Gemstone.Therefore it > > > gives its results soon and more effectively.I admire this Gemstone too > > > much to see its amazing results.As- > > > [1] It removes worries / troubles and provides solutions & Peace. > > > [2] To wear Green Tourmaline is highly useful for Businessmen and > > success > > > is almost sure. > > > [3] Green Tourmaline is a boon for the children who are weak in their > > > studies or have some mental problem / weakness.It improves > > intelligence / > > > concentration. > > > [4] Pink Turmali is quite helpful in the time of crises.It reduces > > > obstacles.The persons who have Sun in Libra in their birth chart > should > > > wear this and it will be highly beneficial for them. > > > [5] It "specially Green Turmali" helps in reducing obesity. > > > It should be worn in silver only. > > > > > > With all good wishes > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > > in the Answers Food & Drink Q&A. > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > > > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear Chandrasekharji, To each his own view. My View- Gems can make or break a man,if prescribed rightly or wrongly.World famous Dr.Bhattacharya of Calcutta is the authentic example for that at least in making a man,or bringing him out of serious illness or deathbed through the use of Gems. For breaking a man we have seen havoc wrought on unsuspecting natives who have been wrongly suggested Blue Sapphire,Onyx or say, even I add here Horse shoe. These are certainly not fit for everyone. Gems are the only storehouse of the Cosmic Power in the Form of Rays in concentrated form,like Gulab Jal or Concentrated water of Rose. Probably BhriguNadi has references in the traditional texts.I may be having a copy of he same.But will have to check. (Bhrigu Samhita and not Bhrigu Nandi nadi). Navamsha depositor of a planet may change, meaning the Planet which is in a particular sign,may not be Vargottama in most cases,then we have to contend with many Lords. But if a planet is just checked to see whether it remains in same status in Navamsha,or gets better or worse, making it necessary or unnecessary to prescribe a Gem,then probably Navamsha looking may help. But not much in any case. If Moon is a functional Malefic say for leo Lagna, or suppose any planet is Malefic for any Lagna,and the Dasha is for 10 years or above, then it certainly makes sense to wear the Gem for that Dasha Lord, as long as alpayu is not seen in the natives chart. There are many approaches today which do work, with a logical scientific explanation or without. For example there is a Group of astrologers who suggest the 5th House Lord Gem, to bring the cure of any disease running in a natives life. Or theres also a Group of KP astrolgers (Not all but few), who would suggest Gem denoting 5th Cusp Sub Lord in above case. Still another group would suggest Gem for planet sitting in 5th house, as it represents or signifies the 5th house virtually by being placed over there. In absence of proper verification due to sundry reasons, I would personally play safe and prescribe Gems for the benefic House lords, rather than any risk-taking. I agree that in depth study of chart has to be done before prescribing gems. And it will not work for all. Just like taking a chart to any astrologer may not work for all. Its difficult for any native to reach a good astrologer or for that matter remedy, unless his destiny allows him. Period. The above I repeat are my views, and I expect that just as I respect your views, same treatment would be given to mines. Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Pathakji, > > I am glad you accept that there is no weight prescribed in the classics > on Jyotish. As to the weights prescribed by traditional astrologers, I > prefer not to comment. Puranas do tell about use of gem stones and so do > local customs, but that is besides point here. > > I agree that gems can not change one's fate but it does change one's > reaction under stress in a manner most suitable to the strength of the > horoscope. I also agree that prescribing gems without looking at > navamsha may not be a correct manner of prescribing gems. > > My personal opinion is that it is not necessary that gems will work with > every horoscope and one does have to study the horoscope in depth to > find out whether gems will help or not. > > As to prescribing gems according to operating dashas, I do not think > this is a very good approach. But then those more learned than me may > hold a different view. > > Trine lords mostly are functional benefics and unless they own dusthanas > it makes more sense to prescribe their gems than prescribing those of > functional malefics, is the way I look at the whole matter and Puranas > and some texts do support this view in an oblique manner. > > Dana of the gems of harmful planets is more appropriate than wearing > them. But as I said, those more learned than me could hold a different > view in the matter. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar Sir, > > > > Narada Puran prescribes use of gems for specific uses. Diamond is > > exception > > and one carat is prescribed. Rest all are usually prescribed in the > > range of > > 4 to 5 carats. Actually traditional astrologers prescribe through the > > system > > of Savaya. Means..they precribe 4.25 or 5.25 rattis...which amounts to > > between 4 to 5 carats. > > > > As I said earlier, there is no classical astrological basis for Gemstone > > prescription. No Astrology classic has told about use of gemstone. Even > > Parshara has prescribed other remedies not gemstones. > > > > Though I am not a Vedic expert but whatever I have read of Puranas, I find > > no mention about weight of gems. > > > > This very thing made me write about this system in the book mentioned. It > > deals with the way I prescribe and I feel the system discussed in the book > > is scientific but uses traditional method of deciding the weight.The > > source > > is learning through interacting with astrologers who have been prescribing > > it for years and then after testing with many of my own clients. > > > > Regarding Navratna lockets etc. discussed by Sh. Shashi, they are > > ornamental > > in nature. Indian Women wear them all the time in their earrings as > > well as > > rings. But they still do not derive any benefit connected with any of the > > stones. > > > > Actually, in my practice, I have been asking people to remove > > Gemstones and > > then many of their problems go away any way. > > > > Navamsha shows subtle aspects of the operation of a planet. You can not > > strengthen a planet which is acting malefic for you. The best is to > > propitiate it through Puja rather than stregthen it. Thus looking at > > running > > Dasha and Navamsha indicates exact picture about a particula > > stone.ThoughSh. Shashi has every right to disagree and have his own > > views which I > > appreciate much. > > > > I have used dynamic prescription with great benefits depending upon Dasha > > and at times antardasha for many persons. > > > > The system of prescription that stones for Lagna lord, 5th lord or 9th > > house > > lord are always benefic...is totally ridiculous in my opinion I have > > seen numerous prescriptions based on this going haywire as the person > > prescribing did not look at the Navamsha or the dasha running. > > > > Above all, I have learnt that Gemstones do not change your karma and hence > > destiny. They affect your environment and the best benefits available > > through gems are in terms of health benefits and improvements and at times > > change of outlook which makes you cope with adversity better. > > > > This is my humble opinion and I do not mean to offend anyone or anybody's > > way of prescribing of gems as long as they work well. > > > > If you are spiritually evolved person then you do not need horoscopes to > > predict future or prescribe gemstones. It is normal people like me who > > need > > to study charts and then decide on the gemstones. I hope you will > > appreciate > > my viewpoint in relevant context. > > > > Regards, > > Bipul Pathak > > > > On 1/16/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pathakji, > > > > > > There are references to how gems are to be used in Puranas and samhitas. > > > They do not prescribe any weight being the minimum weight. There are > > > also hints in the local practices at certain festivals. May I know the > > > source for the prescription of weight on gems. I may sound a sceptic but > > > I have not seen an astrologer prescribing a 5 carat Diamond to a jataka. > > > Do you not think that gems with flaws would point towards a tatwa other > > > than one sought to be balanced. > > > > > > I am certain you must have based your opinion on some classical > > > reference and would be obliged if you could point me to it. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Shekhar, > > > > > > > > I beg to differ that you can use smaller pieces of the gemstones to > > > > get the > > > > same result as from a 5 carat stone. In my practice it does not work > > > > at all. > > > > It is more ornamental than anything else. The thumb rules are used in > > > > Stone > > > > prescription. There is hardly any classical astrological basis for > > > > Gemstone > > > > remedy except in Ayurveda and Puranas. So the weight has to be decided > > > as > > > > per the knowledge passed down from people who have used them. > > > > > > > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say go for 5 > > > > carat > > > > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller pieces. They > > > > just do > > > > not work. This I have dealt in my book"BOOK OF GEMSTONES" published by > > > > Sagar Publications, New Delhi. If you lay hadns upon this > > book...you can > > > > read the relevant chapter. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Bipul Pathak > > > > > > > > On 1/16/07, Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > > <polite_astro%40><polite_astro%40> > > > > <polite_astro%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > How weight and size of Gemstone should we wear?This matter is so > > > > confusing > > > > > now a days.There are different thoughts about the same,according > > to me > > > 5 > > > > > to 7 carat > > > > > Gemstone of good quality is quite enough for one but > > > > flawless,transparent > > > > > and clear Gemstones of such weight are quite costly that are not > > > > affordable > > > > > for each person.Therefore one should purchase 2 to 4 pieces of small > > > > size > > > > > Gemstones of good quality that become quite cheaper in comparison to > > > big > > > > > size and get fixed them in a ring making the suggested total weight > > > > in place > > > > > of one Gemstone as we use in Diamond and Navratna Gemstone rings > > > > because to > > > > > reach the rays of Gemstone up to skin is quite enough except > > > > Coral,Pearl etc > > > > > that are comparetively cheaper and touch to skin is needed. > > > > > > > > > > God bless > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > > <polite_astro%40> <polite_astro%40> > > > > <polite_astro%40> <polite_astro%40>> wrote: > > > > > Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:05:42 -0800 (PST) > > > > > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > > <polite_astro%40><polite_astro%40> > > > > <polite_astro%40> <polite_astro%40>> > > > > > Re: Tourmaline - Turmali - Vaikrant Gemstone > > > > > Astro_Remedies > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > Tourmaline in English,Turmali in Hindi and Vaikrant in Sanskrit is a > > > > > unique and extremely useful semi-precious Gemstone.It is found in > > > > various > > > > > colours as Green, > > > > > Blue,Pink,Red,Yellow,Black,White and Reddish Brown.Sometimes it has > > > two > > > > > colours in one piece.Red - Pink Turmali seems like Ruby that is > > called > > > > > RUBELLITE and Green is called Brazilian Emerald.This Gemstone > > > > absorbs Sun > > > > > light's effects maximum in comparison to any other > > Gemstone.Thereforeit > > > > > gives its results soon and more effectively.I admire this > > Gemstone too > > > > > much to see its amazing results.As- > > > > > [1] It removes worries / troubles and provides solutions & Peace. > > > > > [2] To wear Green Tourmaline is highly useful for Businessmen and > > > > success > > > > > is almost sure. > > > > > [3] Green Tourmaline is a boon for the children who are weak in > > their > > > > > studies or have some mental problem / weakness.It improves > > > > intelligence / > > > > > concentration. > > > > > [4] Pink Turmali is quite helpful in the time of crises.It reduces > > > > > obstacles.The persons who have Sun in Libra in their birth chart > > > should > > > > > wear this and it will be highly beneficial for them. > > > > > [5] It "specially Green Turmali" helps in reducing obesity. > > > > > It should be worn in silver only. > > > > > > > > > > With all good wishes > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, As you said, to each his own views. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > To each his own view. > > My View- > Gems can make or break a man,if prescribed rightly or > wrongly.World famous Dr.Bhattacharya of Calcutta > is the authentic example for that at least in making > a man,or bringing him out of serious illness or deathbed > through the use of Gems. For breaking a man we have > seen havoc wrought on unsuspecting natives who > have been wrongly suggested Blue Sapphire,Onyx > or say, even I add here Horse shoe. These are > certainly not fit for everyone. > Gems are the only storehouse of the Cosmic Power in the > Form of Rays in concentrated form,like Gulab Jal or > Concentrated water of Rose. > Probably BhriguNadi has references in the traditional > texts.I may be having a copy of he same.But will have to > check. (Bhrigu Samhita and not Bhrigu Nandi nadi). > Navamsha depositor of a planet may change, meaning the > Planet which is in a particular sign,may not be > Vargottama in most cases,then we have to contend with > many Lords. But if a planet is just checked to see whether > it remains in same status in Navamsha,or gets better or worse, > making it necessary or unnecessary to prescribe a Gem,then > probably Navamsha looking may help. But not much in any case. > If Moon is a functional Malefic say for leo Lagna, or > suppose any planet is Malefic for any Lagna,and the Dasha is > for 10 years or above, then it certainly makes sense to wear > the Gem for that Dasha Lord, as long as alpayu is not seen in > the natives chart. > There are many approaches today which do work, with a logical > scientific explanation or without. For example there is a Group > of astrologers who suggest the 5th House Lord Gem, to bring > the cure of any disease running in a natives life. > Or theres also a Group of KP astrolgers (Not all but few), > who would suggest Gem denoting 5th Cusp Sub Lord in above > case. Still another group would suggest Gem for planet > sitting in 5th house, as it represents or signifies the 5th > house virtually by being placed over there. > In absence of proper verification due to sundry reasons, > I would personally play safe and prescribe Gems for the > benefic House lords, rather than any risk-taking. > > I agree that in depth study of chart has to be done before > prescribing gems. And it will not work for all. > Just like taking a chart to any astrologer may not work for all. > Its difficult for any native to reach a good astrologer or > for that matter remedy, unless his destiny allows him. > Period. > > The above I repeat are my views, and I expect that just > as I respect your views, same treatment would be given to mines. > > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Pathakji, > > > > I am glad you accept that there is no weight prescribed in the > classics > > on Jyotish. As to the weights prescribed by traditional > astrologers, I > > prefer not to comment. Puranas do tell about use of gem stones and > so do > > local customs, but that is besides point here. > > > > I agree that gems can not change one's fate but it does change > one's > > reaction under stress in a manner most suitable to the strength of > the > > horoscope. I also agree that prescribing gems without looking at > > navamsha may not be a correct manner of prescribing gems. > > > > My personal opinion is that it is not necessary that gems will work > with > > every horoscope and one does have to study the horoscope in depth > to > > find out whether gems will help or not. > > > > As to prescribing gems according to operating dashas, I do not > think > > this is a very good approach. But then those more learned than me > may > > hold a different view. > > > > Trine lords mostly are functional benefics and unless they own > dusthanas > > it makes more sense to prescribe their gems than prescribing those > of > > functional malefics, is the way I look at the whole matter and > Puranas > > and some texts do support this view in an oblique manner. > > > > Dana of the gems of harmful planets is more appropriate than > wearing > > them. But as I said, those more learned than me could hold a > different > > view in the matter. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar Sir, > > > > > > Narada Puran prescribes use of gems for specific uses. Diamond is > > > exception > > > and one carat is prescribed. Rest all are usually prescribed in > the > > > range of > > > 4 to 5 carats. Actually traditional astrologers prescribe through > the > > > system > > > of Savaya. Means..they precribe 4.25 or 5.25 rattis...which > amounts to > > > between 4 to 5 carats. > > > > > > As I said earlier, there is no classical astrological basis for > Gemstone > > > prescription. No Astrology classic has told about use of > gemstone. Even > > > Parshara has prescribed other remedies not gemstones. > > > > > > Though I am not a Vedic expert but whatever I have read of > Puranas, I find > > > no mention about weight of gems. > > > > > > This very thing made me write about this system in the book > mentioned. It > > > deals with the way I prescribe and I feel the system discussed in > the book > > > is scientific but uses traditional method of deciding the > weight.The > > > source > > > is learning through interacting with astrologers who have been > prescribing > > > it for years and then after testing with many of my own clients. > > > > > > Regarding Navratna lockets etc. discussed by Sh. Shashi, they are > > > ornamental > > > in nature. Indian Women wear them all the time in their earrings > as > > > well as > > > rings. But they still do not derive any benefit connected with > any of the > > > stones. > > > > > > Actually, in my practice, I have been asking people to remove > > > Gemstones and > > > then many of their problems go away any way. > > > > > > Navamsha shows subtle aspects of the operation of a planet. You > can not > > > strengthen a planet which is acting malefic for you. The best is > to > > > propitiate it through Puja rather than stregthen it. Thus looking > at > > > running > > > Dasha and Navamsha indicates exact picture about a particula > > > stone.ThoughSh. Shashi has every right to disagree and have his > own > > > views which I > > > appreciate much. > > > > > > I have used dynamic prescription with great benefits depending > upon Dasha > > > and at times antardasha for many persons. > > > > > > The system of prescription that stones for Lagna lord, 5th lord > or 9th > > > house > > > lord are always benefic...is totally ridiculous in my opinion I > have > > > seen numerous prescriptions based on this going haywire as the > person > > > prescribing did not look at the Navamsha or the dasha running. > > > > > > Above all, I have learnt that Gemstones do not change your karma > and hence > > > destiny. They affect your environment and the best benefits > available > > > through gems are in terms of health benefits and improvements and > at times > > > change of outlook which makes you cope with adversity better. > > > > > > This is my humble opinion and I do not mean to offend anyone or > anybody's > > > way of prescribing of gems as long as they work well. > > > > > > If you are spiritually evolved person then you do not need > horoscopes to > > > predict future or prescribe gemstones. It is normal people like > me who > > > need > > > to study charts and then decide on the gemstones. I hope you will > > > appreciate > > > my viewpoint in relevant context. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Bipul Pathak > > > > > > On 1/16/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pathakji, > > > > > > > > There are references to how gems are to be used in Puranas and > samhitas. > > > > They do not prescribe any weight being the minimum weight. > There are > > > > also hints in the local practices at certain festivals. May I > know the > > > > source for the prescription of weight on gems. I may sound a > sceptic but > > > > I have not seen an astrologer prescribing a 5 carat Diamond to > a jataka. > > > > Do you not think that gems with flaws would point towards a > tatwa other > > > > than one sought to be balanced. > > > > > > > > I am certain you must have based your opinion on some classical > > > > reference and would be obliged if you could point me to it. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Shekhar, > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ that you can use smaller pieces of the > gemstones to > > > > > get the > > > > > same result as from a 5 carat stone. In my practice it does > not work > > > > > at all. > > > > > It is more ornamental than anything else. The thumb rules are > used in > > > > > Stone > > > > > prescription. There is hardly any classical astrological > basis for > > > > > Gemstone > > > > > remedy except in Ayurveda and Puranas. So the weight has to > be decided > > > > as > > > > > per the knowledge passed down from people who have used them. > > > > > > > > > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say > go for 5 > > > > > carat > > > > > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller > pieces. They > > > > > just do > > > > > not work. This I have dealt in my book"BOOK OF GEMSTONES" > published by > > > > > Sagar Publications, New Delhi. If you lay hadns upon this > > > book...you can > > > > > read the relevant chapter. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Bipul Pathak > > > > > > > > > > On 1/16/07, Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > > > <polite_astro%40><polite_astro%40> > > > > > <polite_astro%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > How weight and size of Gemstone should we wear?This matter > is so > > > > > confusing > > > > > > now a days.There are different thoughts about the > same,according > > > to me > > > > 5 > > > > > > to 7 carat > > > > > > Gemstone of good quality is quite enough for one but > > > > > flawless,transparent > > > > > > and clear Gemstones of such weight are quite costly that > are not > > > > > affordable > > > > > > for each person.Therefore one should purchase 2 to 4 pieces > of small > > > > > size > > > > > > Gemstones of good quality that become quite cheaper in > comparison to > > > > big > > > > > > size and get fixed them in a ring making the suggested > total weight > > > > > in place > > > > > > of one Gemstone as we use in Diamond and Navratna Gemstone > rings > > > > > because to > > > > > > reach the rays of Gemstone up to skin is quite enough except > > > > > Coral,Pearl etc > > > > > > that are comparetively cheaper and touch to skin is needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > > > <polite_astro%40> <polite_astro%40> > > > > > <polite_astro%40> <polite_astro%40>> > wrote: > > > > > > Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:05:42 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > > > <polite_astro%40><polite_astro%40> > > > > > <polite_astro%40> <polite_astro%40>> > > > > > > Re: Tourmaline - Turmali - Vaikrant Gemstone > > > > > > Astro_Remedies > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > Tourmaline in English,Turmali in Hindi and Vaikrant in > Sanskrit is a > > > > > > unique and extremely useful semi-precious Gemstone.It is > found in > > > > > various > > > > > > colours as Green, > > > > > > Blue,Pink,Red,Yellow,Black,White and Reddish > Brown.Sometimes it has > > > > two > > > > > > colours in one piece.Red - Pink Turmali seems like Ruby > that is > > > called > > > > > > RUBELLITE and Green is called Brazilian Emerald.This > Gemstone > > > > > absorbs Sun > > > > > > light's effects maximum in comparison to any other > > > Gemstone.Thereforeit > > > > > > gives its results soon and more effectively.I admire this > > > Gemstone too > > > > > > much to see its amazing results.As- > > > > > > [1] It removes worries / troubles and provides solutions & > Peace. > > > > > > [2] To wear Green Tourmaline is highly useful for > Businessmen and > > > > > success > > > > > > is almost sure. > > > > > > [3] Green Tourmaline is a boon for the children who are > weak in > > > their > > > > > > studies or have some mental problem / weakness.It improves > > > > > intelligence / > > > > > > concentration. > > > > > > [4] Pink Turmali is quite helpful in the time of crises.It > reduces > > > > > > obstacles.The persons who have Sun in Libra in their birth > chart > > > > should > > > > > > wear this and it will be highly beneficial for them. > > > > > > [5] It "specially Green Turmali" helps in reducing obesity. > > > > > > It should be worn in silver only. > > > > > > > > > > > > With all good wishes > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Dear Sh. Bhaskar, I appreciate your views and even to them as well. The debate can go on. But since all of us are well read people we should accept everyone's views with open mind and hold on to our own views or change them for better. I found your reply very balanced..and that is how it should be Regards, Bipul Pathak On 1/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > As you said, to each his own views. > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > To each his own view. > > > > My View- > > Gems can make or break a man,if prescribed rightly or > > wrongly.World famous Dr.Bhattacharya of Calcutta > > is the authentic example for that at least in making > > a man,or bringing him out of serious illness or deathbed > > through the use of Gems. For breaking a man we have > > seen havoc wrought on unsuspecting natives who > > have been wrongly suggested Blue Sapphire,Onyx > > or say, even I add here Horse shoe. These are > > certainly not fit for everyone. > > Gems are the only storehouse of the Cosmic Power in the > > Form of Rays in concentrated form,like Gulab Jal or > > Concentrated water of Rose. > > Probably BhriguNadi has references in the traditional > > texts.I may be having a copy of he same.But will have to > > check. (Bhrigu Samhita and not Bhrigu Nandi nadi). > > Navamsha depositor of a planet may change, meaning the > > Planet which is in a particular sign,may not be > > Vargottama in most cases,then we have to contend with > > many Lords. But if a planet is just checked to see whether > > it remains in same status in Navamsha,or gets better or worse, > > making it necessary or unnecessary to prescribe a Gem,then > > probably Navamsha looking may help. But not much in any case. > > If Moon is a functional Malefic say for leo Lagna, or > > suppose any planet is Malefic for any Lagna,and the Dasha is > > for 10 years or above, then it certainly makes sense to wear > > the Gem for that Dasha Lord, as long as alpayu is not seen in > > the natives chart. > > There are many approaches today which do work, with a logical > > scientific explanation or without. For example there is a Group > > of astrologers who suggest the 5th House Lord Gem, to bring > > the cure of any disease running in a natives life. > > Or theres also a Group of KP astrolgers (Not all but few), > > who would suggest Gem denoting 5th Cusp Sub Lord in above > > case. Still another group would suggest Gem for planet > > sitting in 5th house, as it represents or signifies the 5th > > house virtually by being placed over there. > > In absence of proper verification due to sundry reasons, > > I would personally play safe and prescribe Gems for the > > benefic House lords, rather than any risk-taking. > > > > I agree that in depth study of chart has to be done before > > prescribing gems. And it will not work for all. > > Just like taking a chart to any astrologer may not work for all. > > Its difficult for any native to reach a good astrologer or > > for that matter remedy, unless his destiny allows him. > > Period. > > > > The above I repeat are my views, and I expect that just > > as I respect your views, same treatment would be given to mines. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pathakji, > > > > > > I am glad you accept that there is no weight prescribed in the > > classics > > > on Jyotish. As to the weights prescribed by traditional > > astrologers, I > > > prefer not to comment. Puranas do tell about use of gem stones and > > so do > > > local customs, but that is besides point here. > > > > > > I agree that gems can not change one's fate but it does change > > one's > > > reaction under stress in a manner most suitable to the strength of > > the > > > horoscope. I also agree that prescribing gems without looking at > > > navamsha may not be a correct manner of prescribing gems. > > > > > > My personal opinion is that it is not necessary that gems will work > > with > > > every horoscope and one does have to study the horoscope in depth > > to > > > find out whether gems will help or not. > > > > > > As to prescribing gems according to operating dashas, I do not > > think > > > this is a very good approach. But then those more learned than me > > may > > > hold a different view. > > > > > > Trine lords mostly are functional benefics and unless they own > > dusthanas > > > it makes more sense to prescribe their gems than prescribing those > > of > > > functional malefics, is the way I look at the whole matter and > > Puranas > > > and some texts do support this view in an oblique manner. > > > > > > Dana of the gems of harmful planets is more appropriate than > > wearing > > > them. But as I said, those more learned than me could hold a > > different > > > view in the matter. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar Sir, > > > > > > > > Narada Puran prescribes use of gems for specific uses. Diamond is > > > > exception > > > > and one carat is prescribed. Rest all are usually prescribed in > > the > > > > range of > > > > 4 to 5 carats. Actually traditional astrologers prescribe through > > the > > > > system > > > > of Savaya. Means..they precribe 4.25 or 5.25 rattis...which > > amounts to > > > > between 4 to 5 carats. > > > > > > > > As I said earlier, there is no classical astrological basis for > > Gemstone > > > > prescription. No Astrology classic has told about use of > > gemstone. Even > > > > Parshara has prescribed other remedies not gemstones. > > > > > > > > Though I am not a Vedic expert but whatever I have read of > > Puranas, I find > > > > no mention about weight of gems. > > > > > > > > This very thing made me write about this system in the book > > mentioned. It > > > > deals with the way I prescribe and I feel the system discussed in > > the book > > > > is scientific but uses traditional method of deciding the > > weight.The > > > > source > > > > is learning through interacting with astrologers who have been > > prescribing > > > > it for years and then after testing with many of my own clients. > > > > > > > > Regarding Navratna lockets etc. discussed by Sh. Shashi, they are > > > > ornamental > > > > in nature. Indian Women wear them all the time in their earrings > > as > > > > well as > > > > rings. But they still do not derive any benefit connected with > > any of the > > > > stones. > > > > > > > > Actually, in my practice, I have been asking people to remove > > > > Gemstones and > > > > then many of their problems go away any way. > > > > > > > > Navamsha shows subtle aspects of the operation of a planet. You > > can not > > > > strengthen a planet which is acting malefic for you. The best is > > to > > > > propitiate it through Puja rather than stregthen it. Thus looking > > at > > > > running > > > > Dasha and Navamsha indicates exact picture about a particula > > > > stone.ThoughSh. Shashi has every right to disagree and have his > > own > > > > views which I > > > > appreciate much. > > > > > > > > I have used dynamic prescription with great benefits depending > > upon Dasha > > > > and at times antardasha for many persons. > > > > > > > > The system of prescription that stones for Lagna lord, 5th lord > > or 9th > > > > house > > > > lord are always benefic...is totally ridiculous in my opinion I > > have > > > > seen numerous prescriptions based on this going haywire as the > > person > > > > prescribing did not look at the Navamsha or the dasha running. > > > > > > > > Above all, I have learnt that Gemstones do not change your karma > > and hence > > > > destiny. They affect your environment and the best benefits > > available > > > > through gems are in terms of health benefits and improvements and > > at times > > > > change of outlook which makes you cope with adversity better. > > > > > > > > This is my humble opinion and I do not mean to offend anyone or > > anybody's > > > > way of prescribing of gems as long as they work well. > > > > > > > > If you are spiritually evolved person then you do not need > > horoscopes to > > > > predict future or prescribe gemstones. It is normal people like > > me who > > > > need > > > > to study charts and then decide on the gemstones. I hope you will > > > > appreciate > > > > my viewpoint in relevant context. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Bipul Pathak > > > > > > > > On 1/16/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pathakji, > > > > > > > > > > There are references to how gems are to be used in Puranas and > > samhitas. > > > > > They do not prescribe any weight being the minimum weight. > > There are > > > > > also hints in the local practices at certain festivals. May I > > know the > > > > > source for the prescription of weight on gems. I may sound a > > sceptic but > > > > > I have not seen an astrologer prescribing a 5 carat Diamond to > > a jataka. > > > > > Do you not think that gems with flaws would point towards a > > tatwa other > > > > > than one sought to be balanced. > > > > > > > > > > I am certain you must have based your opinion on some classical > > > > > reference and would be obliged if you could point me to it. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Bipul Pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Shekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ that you can use smaller pieces of the > > gemstones to > > > > > > get the > > > > > > same result as from a 5 carat stone. In my practice it does > > not work > > > > > > at all. > > > > > > It is more ornamental than anything else. The thumb rules are > > used in > > > > > > Stone > > > > > > prescription. There is hardly any classical astrological > > basis for > > > > > > Gemstone > > > > > > remedy except in Ayurveda and Puranas. So the weight has to > > be decided > > > > > as > > > > > > per the knowledge passed down from people who have used them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes 5 carat becomes expensive for flawless gems. I would say > > go for 5 > > > > > > carat > > > > > > of gem with some minor flaws rather than go for smaller > > pieces. They > > > > > > just do > > > > > > not work. This I have dealt in my book"BOOK OF GEMSTONES" > > published by > > > > > > Sagar Publications, New Delhi. If you lay hadns upon this > > > > book...you can > > > > > > read the relevant chapter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Bipul Pathak > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/16/07, Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > > > > <polite_astro%40><polite_astro%40> > > > > > > <polite_astro%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > How weight and size of Gemstone should we wear?This matter > > is so > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > now a days.There are different thoughts about the > > same,according > > > > to me > > > > > 5 > > > > > > > to 7 carat > > > > > > > Gemstone of good quality is quite enough for one but > > > > > > flawless,transparent > > > > > > > and clear Gemstones of such weight are quite costly that > > are not > > > > > > affordable > > > > > > > for each person.Therefore one should purchase 2 to 4 pieces > > of small > > > > > > size > > > > > > > Gemstones of good quality that become quite cheaper in > > comparison to > > > > > big > > > > > > > size and get fixed them in a ring making the suggested > > total weight > > > > > > in place > > > > > > > of one Gemstone as we use in Diamond and Navratna Gemstone > > rings > > > > > > because to > > > > > > > reach the rays of Gemstone up to skin is quite enough except > > > > > > Coral,Pearl etc > > > > > > > that are comparetively cheaper and touch to skin is needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > > > > <polite_astro%40> <polite_astro%40> > > > > > > <polite_astro%40> <polite_astro%40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:05:42 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > > > > <polite_astro%40><polite_astro%40> > > > > > > <polite_astro%40> <polite_astro%40>> > > > > > > > Re: Tourmaline - Turmali - Vaikrant Gemstone > > > > > > > Astro_Remedies<Astro_Remedies%40> > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > > > <Astro_Remedies%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > Tourmaline in English,Turmali in Hindi and Vaikrant in > > Sanskrit is a > > > > > > > unique and extremely useful semi-precious Gemstone.It is > > found in > > > > > > various > > > > > > > colours as Green, > > > > > > > Blue,Pink,Red,Yellow,Black,White and Reddish > > Brown.Sometimes it has > > > > > two > > > > > > > colours in one piece.Red - Pink Turmali seems like Ruby > > that is > > > > called > > > > > > > RUBELLITE and Green is called Brazilian Emerald.This > > Gemstone > > > > > > absorbs Sun > > > > > > > light's effects maximum in comparison to any other > > > > Gemstone.Thereforeit > > > > > > > gives its results soon and more effectively.I admire this > > > > Gemstone too > > > > > > > much to see its amazing results.As- > > > > > > > [1] It removes worries / troubles and provides solutions & > > Peace. > > > > > > > [2] To wear Green Tourmaline is highly useful for > > Businessmen and > > > > > > success > > > > > > > is almost sure. > > > > > > > [3] Green Tourmaline is a boon for the children who are > > weak in > > > > their > > > > > > > studies or have some mental problem / weakness.It improves > > > > > > intelligence / > > > > > > > concentration. > > > > > > > [4] Pink Turmali is quite helpful in the time of crises.It > > reduces > > > > > > > obstacles.The persons who have Sun in Libra in their birth > > chart > > > > > should > > > > > > > wear this and it will be highly beneficial for them. > > > > > > > [5] It "specially Green Turmali" helps in reducing obesity. > > > > > > > It should be worn in silver only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With all good wishes > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > > around > > > > > > > <> > > < <>> > > > > < <> > > < <>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > > > > > > in the Answers Food & Drink Q&A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > > > > > > > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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