Suffering- Who We really Are- to Melissa

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Welcome to the group. I too have friends who seem to suffer greatly.

But I have not analyzed why. I do wonder how much they really

suffer. Who is suffering? Their body? If so, they are not the body,

They only dwell in the body. If Maa gets a cold, and you ask Her how

She is feeling. She will respond: "I" am not this 5 element body. It

gets sick, but "I" do not change.

 

So I have been focusing my energy and attention experiencing that stae

of consciousness which Maa lives always.

 

So we study with Maa and Swami: who is suffering, who is the sufferer?

Maa and Swami state that suffering is caused by attachement. Our ego,

the small "i" is the sufferer. Our ego, the small "i", controls every

aspect of our life: thoughts, feelings, emotions, and body. It is

like a vine which wraps around the tree and slowly chokes the life out

of it.

We are immortal, eternal. We are Gods who fell from heaven and forgot

our divinity. The great Hindu stories tell of the fall of the Gods

into the world or Maya, delusion. We forget our Divinity. Maa and

Swami remind us of this all the time.

 

Now, knowing this is the state of affairs: that we are not the body,

that we dwell within it, and that we are Immortal and Eternal, we ask

Maa and Swami: how do we remember and become our true selves again?

 

They tell us over and over, that we have to perform sadhana in order

to remove the ego. Swami loves the Chandi Path and calls it the best

sadhana to remove the ego. Performing the Chandi, sitting with

straight spine, breathing and chanting 2 verses to the breath, and

chanting the verses to invoke Chandi to destroy our ego: this is a

sadhana which requires great discipline and gives great rewards and

benefits.

Swami states over and over: we discipline ourselves to become free.

Instead of the common thought: being free from discipline.

 

There are many other techniques which Maa and Swami have taught us to

"go beyond" the relative world become our true selves: puja, homa,

japa, meditation.

The Devi Mandir is that Temple were we practice and obtain a great

"push" from Maa and Swami due to the tremendous purity of the Temple.

We cannot simply wish for change. We have to work for it, and, with

God's Grace, Mother will come and cut the Ego and free us from all

bondage. But, we have to do the work.

 

Go to the web site: www.shreemaa.org and you will find many classes

that Swami has taught stored there. You can view them on your

computer anytime. Also, every night, Monday thru Friday, at 6:30 PM,

Swami is teaching a live on-line class on the Gita. There is a live

video feed and the class is tremendous.

Every Sunday at 9:30 AM you can tune into a live Chandi Path chant at

the homa in the Temple, with Maa and Swami and the devotees.

 

Let me know if you have any questions. Hope you will join us. Also,

February 15th, we will celebate Shivaratri. It is a great celebration,

focused on Shiva, the Consciousness of Infinite Goodness, The Guru of

all Gurus. There is tremendous energy and love at this celebration.

If you wish to come, e mail me, and I will forward to Swami, in order

to get permission to visit.

 

Jai Maa Jai Swami

 

Vishweshwar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Melissa" <mm7810 wrote:

>

>

> Hello and Namaste to All!

>

> I am a new member to this group. I found this topic rather interesting

> and very relevant. I have a quasi-theory (new term I just made up)

> [b-)] ; and I am curious to see what others think. It has been my

> experience that highly spiritual friends seem to get more than their

> fair share of suffering. Ouch. I am thinking that these people may be

> at or near their last incarnation. Kinda like getting all the debts at

> once. What do others think???

>

> Much Love,

>

> Melissa

>

>

> , "inspectionconnection108"

> <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Quick Fox Jumped:

> > This is the question, "Why do we Suffer?", which brought me to

> > meditation. Life seemed so unfair and random. With many years of

> > study, answers came, and after I examined them in my heart and

> > compared them against my personal experience, I knew the answers to be

> > true. So, here is a brief response to your question. There are many

> > books to read which Shree Maa and Swami have translated which give

> > more detailed teachings on this question, but I have summarized below

> > the details which work best for me.

> >

> > We come into this world with all the tendencies and baggage from our

> > previous lives. The Masters use the analogy of shooting arrows. We

> > shot arrows last life, they did not land before we died, then we died.

> > Now we have new bodies, and those arrows we shot have to land. We

> > have to experience the fruits of our karma. So as each arrow lands,

> > some new action / reaction is automatically set up. As we react, we

> > shoot another arrow. This goes on and on. Now, if we react

> > emotionally, the next arrow shot will be erratic and cause further

> > disrubtive karma.

> > But, if we were able to pause, and think for a second before we

> > reacted, then the next action we preformed, the next arrow we shot,

> > would be more accurate, the action more balanced and harmonious, and

> > the karma would not harmful.

> > So, the question arises: how do we prepare ourselves,calm ourselves,

> > center ourselves, so we can stop shooting random wild arrows, and

> > shoot more arrows which hit our target and decrease the amount of

> > negative karma we create for ourselves?

> >

> > Meditation, chanting, pujas, homas, prayer: all these techniques will

> > calm us and help to prevent over reacting. We have to discipline

> > ourselves. With discipline, comes freedom. Without discipline, we

> > are driven by impulses and the ego. We run around in circles.

> >

> > We in this club, all work daily to discipline ourselves, using a wide

> > variety of techniques.

> > Perhaps you can share more about yourself so that we can offer

> > suggestions for techniques which may suit your needs and personality?

> >

> > Also, describe any techniques you have used, or use now, and tell us

> > how they have helped you, or, why they did not help.

> >

> > I recommend you visit Shree Maa's web site. I visited the web site,

> > www.shreemaa.org and went to the FAQ section of the site. There Swami

> > posted the following answers to this question. "Why do we suffer"?

> >

> > 1. Why do the avatars of Lakshmi (Sita/Radha etc) suffer? Why must

> > beings suffer pain?

> >

> > Swami's response: All manifestations suffer and grow. Pain is our

> > teaching - Pleasure is our examination.

> >

> > 2. Is there a time when what we thought was pain becomes a kind of

> > pleasure? Not in a masochistic way, but, we see our unpleasant

> > experiences were not exactly what we thought they were?

> >

> > Swami's response: Absolutely!!! And we appreciate those experiences

> > and thank God that that we had the privilege to grow in such a way

> > from such experiences!

> >

> > 3. When Ramakrishna, or Ramana, Nisargadatta, or Jesus, or other

> > evolved person, suffered in the physical body ... what does this mean?

> > Is the word "suffering" when used in spiritual talk limited to

> > emotional, attachment, and mental issues?

> >

> > Swami's response: Suffering is mental affliction. If the body is in

> > pain, but the mind is in bliss, who suffers?

> >

> >

> > Jai Maa Jai Swami

> >

> > Vishweshwar

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "quickfoxjumped"

> > quickfoxjumped@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Why am I suffering so much in this life? How can I feel better...Is

> > > this my Karma?

> > > Sorry to be a bother anybody. But, I do not know where to turn.

> > > Hari OM

> > >

> >

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