Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Pranams to all: Revealing my theoretical ignorance yet again, I will address this question to Shri Sadaji since he is my teacher :-) I have been following a number of posts and wonder why all this negation is needed? If indeed it is ultimately concluded in Advaita that everything is the Self/Brahman, then why negate it? Why can we not just embrace all of it? (I do have trouble embracing what I would consider evil, but I also believe that those who commit evil acts are in the ultimate avidya and that is why they do such things. In fact, Chitta-ji had written a post on this sometime ago and I do believe that Dennis-ji stated that he wanted to place it on his site) But, back to my question, why then negate that which Is? All of it? Why spend so much time rejecting when that time could be spent accepting? Namaskar, Joyce Hari OM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Dear Joyce, It is the essential method of teaching of Advaita to say something that will help the seeker along his or her notional path towards the truth and then, later, once it has served its purpose to admit that 'well it is not actually *quite* like that'. The method is called adhyAropa - apavAda and we will have a 'weekly definition' in due course. If you can't wait for this, Sri Subbu-ji has written an essay on the topic at http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/teachers/adhyaropa_subrahmanian.htm. Incidentally, 'The Problem of Evil' by Sri Chittaranjan Naik is at http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/chittaranjan/evil_chittaranjan.htm. Best wishes, Dennis But, back to my question, why then negate that which Is? All of it? Why spend so much time rejecting when that time could be spent accepting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Om Om Lady Joyce, It could be that way also, and that is called *Iti-Iti*. When a particular 'Bhoga' is enjoyed, it is advised to put an end to that. So there are two ways of leaving to enjoy 'Bhoga'. One is Neti-Neti and the other is Iti-Iti. Precisely it is to stop making desires. Because if desires are there (either good or bad), 'Moksha' or liberation is not at all possible. Dhananjaya On 1/31/07, Lady Joyce <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: > > Pranams to all: > > Revealing my theoretical ignorance yet again, > I will address this question to Shri Sadaji > since he is my teacher :-) I have been > following a number of posts and wonder > why all this negation is needed? If indeed > it is ultimately concluded in Advaita that > everything is the Self/Brahman, then why > negate it? Why can we not just embrace all > of it? (I do have trouble embracing what I > would consider evil, but I also believe that > those who commit evil acts are in the ultimate > avidya and that is why they do such things. > In fact, Chitta-ji had written a post on this > sometime ago and I do believe that Dennis-ji > stated that he wanted to place it on his site) > > But, back to my question, why then negate that > which Is? All of it? Why spend so much time > rejecting when that time could be spent accepting? > > Namaskar, > > Joyce > > Hari OM! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Om Namah Shivaye! Joyce has a great point: "Why we can not just embrace ......." Frankly in Kalyuga there are many diversities and inherent contradictions. We want to go beyond theories and have some concrete achievement - IN THIS VERY LIFE. Lord Shiva gives an eternal guidance in Shiv Sutras. That gives an eternal answer to these questions. I would love to explain the first five sutras of this sacred text to the needy seekers. Pranam! Virendra --- Dhananjaya Agrawal <dhananjayaagrawal > wrote: > Om Om Lady Joyce, > > It could be that way also, and that is called > *Iti-Iti*. When a particular > 'Bhoga' is enjoyed, it is advised to put an end to > that. So there are two > ways of leaving to enjoy 'Bhoga'. One is Neti-Neti > and the other is Iti-Iti. > Precisely it is to stop making desires. Because if > desires are there (either > good or bad), 'Moksha' or liberation is not at all > possible. > > Dhananjaya > > On 1/31/07, Lady Joyce <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > Pranams to all: > > > > Revealing my theoretical ignorance yet again, > > I will address this question to Shri Sadaji > > since he is my teacher :-) I have been > > following a number of posts and wonder > > why all this negation is needed? If indeed > > it is ultimately concluded in Advaita that > > everything is the Self/Brahman, then why > > negate it? Why can we not just embrace all > > of it? (I do have trouble embracing what I > > would consider evil, but I also believe that > > those who commit evil acts are in the ultimate > > avidya and that is why they do such things. > > In fact, Chitta-ji had written a post on this > > sometime ago and I do believe that Dennis-ji > > stated that he wanted to place it on his site) > > > > But, back to my question, why then negate that > > which Is? All of it? Why spend so much time > > rejecting when that time could be spent accepting? > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Joyce > > > > Hari OM! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > _________ Messenger - with free PC-PC calling and photo sharing. http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Dear Sri. Dennis, On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 16:00 +0000, Dennis Waite wrote: > Incidentally, 'The Problem of Evil' by Sri Chittaranjan Naik is at > http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/chittaranjan/evil_chittaranjan.htm. > You may want to change the name of the 'htm' file :-) Best regards, Ramachandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 --- Dhananjaya Agrawal <dhananjayaagrawal > wrote: > Om Om Lady Joyce, > > It could be that way also, and that is called > *Iti-Iti*. When a particular > 'Bhoga' is enjoyed, it is advised to put an end to > that. So there are two > ways of leaving to enjoy 'Bhoga'. One is Neti-Neti > and the other is Iti-Iti. > Precisely it is to stop making desires. Because if > desires are there (either > good or bad), 'Moksha' or liberation is not at all > possible. Om Om Dhananjaya-ji: Thank you for this information. And thank you, Dennis-ji, for the link. I did read it and can also wait for it to be discussed further in the future. And Virenda-ji, Om Namah Shivaye :-) Pranams, Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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