A likely authentic chart for the United States of America

[Guest guest]

WOW, THIS was fascinating..as a "beginner" studying Jyotish, I'm

finding these examples extremely helpful in learning a lot of the

more intricate associations. I DO have a question though..why put

the "Birthdate" of the United States at the signing of the

constitution..while politically correct, as a physical "body" this

country existed long before the settlers came to this land.

While "politically", "historically" we were not the US,...what about

the Native Americans and the earlier settlers as well as the physical

terrain..of which had it not been here, there wouldn't have been a US

constitution to sign?

elaine

 

 

 

 

valist, "cosmologer" <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Hello friends,

>

> The search for the true birth moment of the United States has been

> the holy grail of western mundane astrology for a very long time.

> Many charts have been suggested – in fact an incredible number of

> charts. On December 30th 2006, John TWB and I discovered the event

> that may well fit the bill. One surprise is that the chart has been

> discovered with the aid of ancient Vedic astrology.

>

> First, let's examine the history. In 1776, the term United States

of

> America was immortalized in the Declaration of Independence.

However,

> what is not commonly understood is that at that time, the U.S.A.

was

> not a singular state but 13 "sovereign and independent states"

acting

> in combination. The states were "united" in a common struggle for

> political emancipation from England but were not yet a nation-

state.

> This development was, however, in the making. In 1777, the

> Continental Congress voted to send the "Articles of Confederation"

to

> the states for their ratification. The Articles would become the

> first constitution of the United States and would bind them in

> a "Perpetual Union". The event that has received most attention is

> the formal ratification of the Articles which took place in the

> Continental Congress in Philadelphia on March 1, 1781. At that

time,

> Maryland became the last state to formally ratify the Articles.

> According to the historical records, the signing took place at noon

> time. However, history has tended to gloss over another event,

which

> it has now emerged was even more important. It is the moment when

the

> State Legislature in Annapolis, Maryland became the 13th and final

> state to approve the ratification of the Articles of Confederation.

> This was a long awaited event that signaled the effective beginning

> of the United States of America as a federal entity.

>

> At 17:05 hours on Friday, February 2, 1781, in the presence of

> members of both houses of the State Legislature, and as the final

act

> before recess, Governor Thomas Sim Lee signed the Act to approve

the

> ratification of the Articles. The decision also designated two

> delegates to go to Philadelphia in the following month to sign the

> document. What most people don't know is that this approval was a

> long awaited event. It was only after Virginia acceded to the

demands

> of Maryland with respect to giving up land claims to the West and

> itself approved the ratification in December 1780 that the road was

> paved for Maryland to approve it. However, the story does not end

> there. One of the federal powers the Articles created for the new

> state was the power of taxation. On Saturday, February 3, a request

> was made to the Continental Congress to allow an import tax to be

> levied in all the States to fund the American Revolutionary War. In

> other words, the state powers were being exercised immediately

after

> the approval of the Maryland state legislature. The request did not

> wait for the formal ratification a month later. This is in itself a

> powerful indication of the real historical significance of the

> Maryland event. It is also interesting, that Annapolis is the birth

> place of the "United States", as a nation-state, being so close to

> the Capitol city Washington DC.

>

> Now, let's move on to examine the astrological evidence. In

sidereal

> or Vedic astrology, there is a correction made for the gradual but

> cumulative progression of the equinoxes, to ensure that the signs

of

> the zodiac fit the actual constellations in the sky. For instance,

in

> mid January, the sun is seen to be in the beginning of the sign of

> Capricorn whereas in western or tropical astrology, the sun is by

> then already in the third decant of the same sign. So, there is a

> difference of around 23° at the present time between placements in

> the sidereal (Vedic) and tropical (western) zodiacs. There are

> several other differences, such as the exclusive focus on the seven

> inner planets in Vedic astrology, while western astrology also

> focuses on Uranus, Neptune or Pluto. Vedic also relies heavily on

the

> largely malefic Moon's nodes, Rahu and Ketu. Vedic astrology then

> uses planetary periods and transits to determine the conditions for

a

> given entity at any given time, with respect to placements in the

> natal chart. The chart was rectified based on the System's

Approach

> to Vedic astrology, or SA.

>

> In the Vedic chart we obtain 20° 59' Cancer rising chart for the

USA

> (equivalent to 11° 48' Leo rising in western zodiac). This Vedic

> chart has really notable features that are consistent with the

> country. The second lord of status and wealth Sun is strong and

well

> placed in the 7th house. This is consistent with the US enjoying

> ample power in the international arena. It also means that US

> financial assets attract investors from all over the world and the

> dollar, despite its volatility, is one of the most widely used and

> strongest currencies in the world. The chart ruler, Moon, is strong

> in the eleventh house, giving interest in income and material

> benefit, but also high hopes. The strong Sun and Moon combine to

> explain the financial prowess of the country and its powerful

> identity. However, as the Moon is closely aspected by the sixth

lord

> Jupiter in the fifth house, the US has inordinately strong views

> which it is ready to fight for and has a 'war like' nature. Saturn,

> the eighth lord of obstacles and endings, easy gains and the

beliefs

> of the people, is in the fifth house, from where it aspects the

Sun.

> This aspect adds periodic instability to the wealth in the country.

> The country has had it share of financial turbulence and economic

> slumps. The affliction is also a major factor to explain the

> political assassinations, attempted assassinations and other

problems

> that have befallen the head of state, the President of the USA. As

> third lord of initiative Mercury is in the seventh house, the US is

> known for its political initiatives around the world and its

outgoing

> commerical culture. The tenth lord of international trade and

> executive branch of government, Mars, is strong in the fifth house,

> giving a global position in intellectual property and entertainment

> industries. As Mars also aspects the Moon, the US enjoys a strong

> military, to back up its strong views. The police and fire

> departments are also effective in the country. Fourth lord of fixed

> assets and communal harmony, Venus, is located in the sixth house

of

> opposition, health and financial stability. This gives rise to

> domestic disharmony and contributes to the recurring problems

> surrounding financial stability in the country. This is even more

so

> as the functional malefic Ketu also afflicts the fourth house

itself.

> This aspect helps to explain the recurring civil unrest in US

> history. When Jupiter transits the twelfth house amd aspects Ketu

in

> the fourth house, suddent developments have impacted housing. The

big

> earthquake of Loma Prieta struck in October 1989 collapsed houses

and

> caused fires. The attacks on WTC and Pentagon in September 2001

also

> took place under this combination. There were other powerful

malefic

> contacts at work in "9/11". Rahu is in the tenth house, widely

> aspecting Venus, also adding to the severity of the periods of

> financial instability that have befallen the country. The transit

> nodal axis was in aspect to its natal placement during the Rahu-

Ketu

> period when the Great Depression of the 1930s broke out in October

> 1929. Other such episodes occurred with similar contacts and

periods.

> In short, the chart shows tremendous strengths but also major

> problems.

>

> In addition to being read against the placements, the chart has

been

> tested against transit and period influences as per SA methodology

> during the following major events. The chart was also found to pass

> this test with flying colors:

>

> 1. Civil war erupts from the firing on Fort Sumter on April 12,

1861

> to the first real Battle of Bull Run in July 1861.

>

> 2. Assassination of President Lincoln took place on 14 April 1865.

>

> 3. The stock market crash that began the Great Depression of the

> 1930s hit on 25 October 1929.

>

> 4. The Economic Slump that arrived in March 1784 and lasted through

> 1785.

>

> 5. Attack on Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941, which caused US to

join

> WW II.

>

> 6. Assassination of President Kennedy on 22 November 1963 which

> caused much grief.

>

> 7. Stock market crash on 18 October 1987, was an event that had

less

> impact than what it appeared to have.

>

> 8. The terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001, which shocked the

> psyche of the people, disrupted life in the country and turned

> Americans inward and vengeful in striking out at the perpetrators.

>

> 9. The assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, TX on 19

> April 1993 and the revenge attack in Oklahoma City on 19 April 1995.

>

> 10. The resignation of Richard Nixon and the drop in the stock

> market in the summer of 1974.

>

> Many other notable events have been carefully examined in terms of

> the chart.

>

> Finally, the following predictions for the coming months have been

> made against this chart, to further authenticate it:

>

> in Message #12141 on Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am

>

> "In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781,

1705

> hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during middle

> of March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of

controversies,

> emotional involvement of the people in controversial issues,

> financial/market setbacks, fatal/serious accidents, weather

> vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc."

>

> Thor in Message #12096 on Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:18 pm

>

> "The chart bespeaks of a very difficult time in early 2007, when

the

> Ve/Ju period is operating. At that time, the nodes will become

> stationary on H2 and H8 MEPs, where they widely aspect their own

> placements in H10 and H4 and with Ketu in H2 aspecting L4 Venus in

> H6, suggesting a sudden event disturbs the social equilibrium.

> Meanwhile, transit Saturn in H1 becomes stationary in opposition to

> natal L2 Sun in H7, triggering the natal combination. This could be

a

> dangerous time for the President of the USA. At the same time, L6

> Jupiter will be conjunct natal L8 Saturn in H5, while aspecting

> transit L8 Saturn in H1. This also suggests violence, possibly

> military conflict, and loss of life."

>

> In closing, as the chart has been developed on the SAMVA list it

has

> been given the name

>

> SAMVA USA chart

>

> Maryland becomes the 13th and final state to ratify the Articles of

> Confederation and Perpetual Union

>

> 17:05 hrs (5:06 LMT)

>

> 2 February 1781

>

> Annapolis, Md, USA (76W30, 38N59)

>

> 20° 59' Cancer ascendant

>

> For more information on this chart please feel free to consult the

>

> SAMVA web page at:

> SAMVA

>

> from there go to the Files section of the web page:

> SAMVA

>

> Materials relating to the above tests have been uploaded to

> the "SAMVA USA chart" folder.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine,

 

The issue here is when the USA became a nation-state, which is

different from a nation. The discovery of this likely authentic chart

was due to a number of things, both a search of events but also a

careful astrological analysis of the historical events, which the

chart explains very well. The discovery is also linked to the

experience that has developed on SAMVA due to work with a lot of

mundane charts (for other countries also) over the past decade based

on the Systems' Approach to Vedic Astrology(SA) methodology.

Importantly, the authenticity of any chart can only be verified

through repeat successful prediction. We have several predictions for

events to occur this Spring and look forward to see how the chart

performs.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

valist, "Elaine" <pspmomster wrote:

>

> WOW, THIS was fascinating..as a "beginner" studying Jyotish, I'm

> finding these examples extremely helpful in learning a lot of the

> more intricate associations. I DO have a question though..why put

> the "Birthdate" of the United States at the signing of the

> constitution..while politically correct, as a physical "body" this

> country existed long before the settlers came to this land.

> While "politically", "historically" we were not the US,...what

about

> the Native Americans and the earlier settlers as well as the

physical

> terrain..of which had it not been here, there wouldn't have been a

US

> constitution to sign?

> elaine

>

>

>

>

> valist, "cosmologer" <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello friends,

> >

> > The search for the true birth moment of the United States has

been

> > the holy grail of western mundane astrology for a very long time.

> > Many charts have been suggested – in fact an incredible number of

> > charts. On December 30th 2006, John TWB and I discovered the

event

> > that may well fit the bill. One surprise is that the chart has

been

> > discovered with the aid of ancient Vedic astrology.

> >

> > First, let's examine the history. In 1776, the term United States

> of

> > America was immortalized in the Declaration of Independence.

> However,

> > what is not commonly understood is that at that time, the U.S.A.

> was

> > not a singular state but 13 "sovereign and independent states"

> acting

> > in combination. The states were "united" in a common struggle for

> > political emancipation from England but were not yet a nation-

> state.

> > This development was, however, in the making. In 1777, the

> > Continental Congress voted to send the "Articles of

Confederation"

> to

> > the states for their ratification. The Articles would become the

> > first constitution of the United States and would bind them in

> > a "Perpetual Union". The event that has received most attention

is

> > the formal ratification of the Articles which took place in the

> > Continental Congress in Philadelphia on March 1, 1781. At that

> time,

> > Maryland became the last state to formally ratify the Articles.

> > According to the historical records, the signing took place at

noon

> > time. However, history has tended to gloss over another event,

> which

> > it has now emerged was even more important. It is the moment when

> the

> > State Legislature in Annapolis, Maryland became the 13th and

final

> > state to approve the ratification of the Articles of

Confederation.

> > This was a long awaited event that signaled the effective

beginning

> > of the United States of America as a federal entity.

> >

> > At 17:05 hours on Friday, February 2, 1781, in the presence of

> > members of both houses of the State Legislature, and as the final

> act

> > before recess, Governor Thomas Sim Lee signed the Act to approve

> the

> > ratification of the Articles. The decision also designated two

> > delegates to go to Philadelphia in the following month to sign

the

> > document. What most people don't know is that this approval was a

> > long awaited event. It was only after Virginia acceded to the

> demands

> > of Maryland with respect to giving up land claims to the West and

> > itself approved the ratification in December 1780 that the road

was

> > paved for Maryland to approve it. However, the story does not end

> > there. One of the federal powers the Articles created for the new

> > state was the power of taxation. On Saturday, February 3, a

request

> > was made to the Continental Congress to allow an import tax to be

> > levied in all the States to fund the American Revolutionary War.

In

> > other words, the state powers were being exercised immediately

> after

> > the approval of the Maryland state legislature. The request did

not

> > wait for the formal ratification a month later. This is in itself

a

> > powerful indication of the real historical significance of the

> > Maryland event. It is also interesting, that Annapolis is the

birth

> > place of the "United States", as a nation-state, being so close

to

> > the Capitol city Washington DC.

> >

> > Now, let's move on to examine the astrological evidence. In

> sidereal

> > or Vedic astrology, there is a correction made for the gradual

but

> > cumulative progression of the equinoxes, to ensure that the signs

> of

> > the zodiac fit the actual constellations in the sky. For

instance,

> in

> > mid January, the sun is seen to be in the beginning of the sign

of

> > Capricorn whereas in western or tropical astrology, the sun is by

> > then already in the third decant of the same sign. So, there is a

> > difference of around 23° at the present time between placements

in

> > the sidereal (Vedic) and tropical (western) zodiacs. There are

> > several other differences, such as the exclusive focus on the

seven

> > inner planets in Vedic astrology, while western astrology also

> > focuses on Uranus, Neptune or Pluto. Vedic also relies heavily on

> the

> > largely malefic Moon's nodes, Rahu and Ketu. Vedic astrology then

> > uses planetary periods and transits to determine the conditions

for

> a

> > given entity at any given time, with respect to placements in the

> > natal chart. The chart was rectified based on the System's

> Approach

> > to Vedic astrology, or SA.

> >

> > In the Vedic chart we obtain 20° 59' Cancer rising chart for the

> USA

> > (equivalent to 11° 48' Leo rising in western zodiac). This Vedic

> > chart has really notable features that are consistent with the

> > country. The second lord of status and wealth Sun is strong and

> well

> > placed in the 7th house. This is consistent with the US enjoying

> > ample power in the international arena. It also means that US

> > financial assets attract investors from all over the world and

the

> > dollar, despite its volatility, is one of the most widely used

and

> > strongest currencies in the world. The chart ruler, Moon, is

strong

> > in the eleventh house, giving interest in income and material

> > benefit, but also high hopes. The strong Sun and Moon combine to

> > explain the financial prowess of the country and its powerful

> > identity. However, as the Moon is closely aspected by the sixth

> lord

> > Jupiter in the fifth house, the US has inordinately strong views

> > which it is ready to fight for and has a 'war like' nature.

Saturn,

> > the eighth lord of obstacles and endings, easy gains and the

> beliefs

> > of the people, is in the fifth house, from where it aspects the

> Sun.

> > This aspect adds periodic instability to the wealth in the

country.

> > The country has had it share of financial turbulence and economic

> > slumps. The affliction is also a major factor to explain the

> > political assassinations, attempted assassinations and other

> problems

> > that have befallen the head of state, the President of the USA.

As

> > third lord of initiative Mercury is in the seventh house, the US

is

> > known for its political initiatives around the world and its

> outgoing

> > commerical culture. The tenth lord of international trade and

> > executive branch of government, Mars, is strong in the fifth

house,

> > giving a global position in intellectual property and

entertainment

> > industries. As Mars also aspects the Moon, the US enjoys a strong

> > military, to back up its strong views. The police and fire

> > departments are also effective in the country. Fourth lord of

fixed

> > assets and communal harmony, Venus, is located in the sixth house

> of

> > opposition, health and financial stability. This gives rise to

> > domestic disharmony and contributes to the recurring problems

> > surrounding financial stability in the country. This is even more

> so

> > as the functional malefic Ketu also afflicts the fourth house

> itself.

> > This aspect helps to explain the recurring civil unrest in US

> > history. When Jupiter transits the twelfth house amd aspects Ketu

> in

> > the fourth house, suddent developments have impacted housing. The

> big

> > earthquake of Loma Prieta struck in October 1989 collapsed houses

> and

> > caused fires. The attacks on WTC and Pentagon in September 2001

> also

> > took place under this combination. There were other powerful

> malefic

> > contacts at work in "9/11". Rahu is in the tenth house, widely

> > aspecting Venus, also adding to the severity of the periods of

> > financial instability that have befallen the country. The transit

> > nodal axis was in aspect to its natal placement during the Rahu-

> Ketu

> > period when the Great Depression of the 1930s broke out in

October

> > 1929. Other such episodes occurred with similar contacts and

> periods.

> > In short, the chart shows tremendous strengths but also major

> > problems.

> >

> > In addition to being read against the placements, the chart has

> been

> > tested against transit and period influences as per SA

methodology

> > during the following major events. The chart was also found to

pass

> > this test with flying colors:

> >

> > 1. Civil war erupts from the firing on Fort Sumter on April 12,

> 1861

> > to the first real Battle of Bull Run in July 1861.

> >

> > 2. Assassination of President Lincoln took place on 14 April

1865.

> >

> > 3. The stock market crash that began the Great Depression of the

> > 1930s hit on 25 October 1929.

> >

> > 4. The Economic Slump that arrived in March 1784 and lasted

through

> > 1785.

> >

> > 5. Attack on Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941, which caused US to

> join

> > WW II.

> >

> > 6. Assassination of President Kennedy on 22 November 1963 which

> > caused much grief.

> >

> > 7. Stock market crash on 18 October 1987, was an event that had

> less

> > impact than what it appeared to have.

> >

> > 8. The terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001, which shocked the

> > psyche of the people, disrupted life in the country and turned

> > Americans inward and vengeful in striking out at the

perpetrators.

> >

> > 9. The assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, TX on 19

> > April 1993 and the revenge attack in Oklahoma City on 19 April

1995.

> >

> > 10. The resignation of Richard Nixon and the drop in the stock

> > market in the summer of 1974.

> >

> > Many other notable events have been carefully examined in terms

of

> > the chart.

> >

> > Finally, the following predictions for the coming months have

been

> > made against this chart, to further authenticate it:

> >

> > in Message #12141 on Sat Jan 6, 2007 1:15 am

> >

> > "In the recently proposed US chart for the 2nd February, 1781,

> 1705

> > hours, the transit influences show severe afflictions during

middle

> > of March, 2007, to early May, 2007, indicating lot of

> controversies,

> > emotional involvement of the people in controversial issues,

> > financial/market setbacks, fatal/serious accidents, weather

> > vagaries/disturbances, setbacks in war fields, etc."

> >

> > Thor in Message #12096 on Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:18 pm

> >

> > "The chart bespeaks of a very difficult time in early 2007, when

> the

> > Ve/Ju period is operating. At that time, the nodes will become

> > stationary on H2 and H8 MEPs, where they widely aspect their own

> > placements in H10 and H4 and with Ketu in H2 aspecting L4 Venus

in

> > H6, suggesting a sudden event disturbs the social equilibrium.

> > Meanwhile, transit Saturn in H1 becomes stationary in opposition

to

> > natal L2 Sun in H7, triggering the natal combination. This could

be

> a

> > dangerous time for the President of the USA. At the same time, L6

> > Jupiter will be conjunct natal L8 Saturn in H5, while aspecting

> > transit L8 Saturn in H1. This also suggests violence, possibly

> > military conflict, and loss of life."

> >

> > In closing, as the chart has been developed on the SAMVA list it

> has

> > been given the name

> >

> > SAMVA USA chart

> >

> > Maryland becomes the 13th and final state to ratify the Articles

of

> > Confederation and Perpetual Union

> >

> > 17:05 hrs (5:06 LMT)

> >

> > 2 February 1781

> >

> > Annapolis, Md, USA (76W30, 38N59)

> >

> > 20° 59' Cancer ascendant

> >

> > For more information on this chart please feel free to consult

the

> >

> > SAMVA web page at:

> > SAMVA

> >

> > from there go to the Files section of the web page:

> > SAMVA

> >

> > Materials relating to the above tests have been uploaded to

> > the "SAMVA USA chart" folder.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

>