Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Hello all, I am amazed at the amount of time you all can spend running to the computer to see if someone else will give you validation. Have you no jobs or families that consume your time? I have been away from the computer perhaps one day, tops two, and now since I am not here to rub oil on your ego that means what??? You are welcome to your opinion of me. You are welcome to have all of India and all of the rest of the world, including all highers up in my country all on "your side". So what? I am who I am. What I do and what I say reflects on me. What you do and what you say, even if about me, reflects solely you, not me. So feel free to insult me, to insult my being a lawyer, insult anyone I associate with, insult my sense of family. Have fun. If that's how you wish to spend your day be my guest. You see, I'd rather spend time with my family and love them such that any stranger who insults them "on the road" will be totally ignored. Insults from strangers will bounce off of them, because my family is secure and loved. Insulting strangers are less than nothing. Of course, if one's relationship with family or country is weak, then yes, I could see that one would need to defend against insult. Because then defending against insult is all you have. Frankly, if you are looking for me (or anyone) to be the arbiter of who is right when insults start flying, then I would never do anything else. I'd have to get after Richard for insulting religion, and you for insulting the other fellow who wanted a happy home life, and a million others of you onlist. How boring. And who made me the "niceness police"? In my opinion, Richard (however rude the behavior is) is welcome to express his opinion even if it insults something important to you. Shame on him, but that's your problem. You are free to insult Richard back. You are free to hate him all you want to. You are free to insult the fellow who wanted a second marriage. You, and everyone else on any list I've ever seen appear to be free to insult each other because everyone seems to like insults. You certainly take every opportunity to cram all the insults you can into as many messages as you can. So have fun. But see you seem to think that insulting is honorable if YOU do it because you feel provoked. You apply NO limits to yourself. But others cannot insult you because you feel they cannot possibly have any provocation to insult. You feel that Hinduism is so terrifically exercised by every single Hindu in the world that no person (like say Richard) could have had a bad enough experience such that he feels the need to insult it. Frankly, I have no idea if Richard is justified in his views. I am not the "Insult Justification Police". I have no idea if you are justified in insulting Richard either. WHAT I OBJECTED TO (and only YOU did it) was advocating specific murder and group hatred towards one human being as if they were an animal and in the hopes they would be eliminated from life. If, sir, anyone INCLUDING RICHARD were to publicly advocate murdering YOU, I would come to your defense loudly and publicly. If because you expressed an opinion EVEN IF SAID OPINION WERE AGAINST MY OWN BELIEFS, and someone vomitted out the type of murderous hatred toward you that you wrote toward Richard, I would publicly flay them too. It is not a question of who is good or bad, nor who is justified or not. People are free to hate, they are free to insult, but a line has to be drawn somewhere for EVERYONE. For me, that line is when anyone advocates solving a disagreement by dehumanizing another such that killing the other seems the "honorablebrahmin" thing to do. I only saw you cross that line. So yours was the only apology that seemed necessary to me. You see, as an attorney I feel that all the benefits and protections of the legal system should be applied evenly to all. INCLUDING those who appear to be obviously guilty. So whatever Richard may have done, you are solely responsible for making threats against life. That came out of your mouth only. If apologies were necessary for each and every insult, no matter how insulting, then we would all be apologizing and unable to do anything else. Yes, I insulted you. I felt your actions were insultable. You insulted me. You must have felt my actions were insultable. You owe me no apology. I owe you none. Richard owes you none for his tirade. You owe none for much of what you said to Richard. If I were "nice" then I might apologise for any hurt I caused you. Afterall, coward and fraud and all the other things I think of you are in fact insulting and rude to mention however much I think them. But you see, you are the type of person to think that if I apologise for being rude, that I am then condoning the excess of hatred you spewed out onlist. I'd rather be rude. You crossed a line more heinous than any insult to any religion, because your actions justify killing. That DOESN'T make the insulting of religion something I advocate. That DOESN'T mean I think everything Richard (or anyone else) does is acceptable. It means that I publicly object to the advocation of killing. And any other insulting is something we all have to put up with. Feel free to insult all that is most cherished to me. You can change the nature of NOTHING by insulting. What I cherish is either great or not. Hinduism is either great or not. Insults to Hinduism should just bounce right off Hinduism. Unless of course your faith in the greatness of Hinduism is weak. Is it? Then perhaps the problem is NOT that someone insults Hinduism, but that YOU can't handle that your faith is weak. I'm not saying your faith is weak. I know nothing (and care less) how your faith is. I just wonder why you are the only Hindu to make death threats in defense of Hinduism. Are you the only good Hindu? I doubt that. I suspect that the other Hindus are strong in their faith, and brush insults off their shoulders like flies. They probably see people who insult Hinduism as less than nothing. Frankly, from what I know of Hinduism (which is admittedly little), I've assumed that it is a great thing. When I hear someone insult it, I assume their experience has been bad with a PERSON who happened to be Hindu and I don't ever think less of Hinduism because of insults to it. But when someone who professes to be the warrior for Hinduism dehumanizes others and advocates killing a human to avenge words I wonder two things: either Hinduism isn't as great as I thought it was or the person advocating the killing is fearful and thinks Hinduism needs extreme protection or it will fall apart. So actually, for me, your actions are more insulting to Hinduism than any words I've ever heard anyone utter. But that's just me. In regards to merely insulting, I'm not going to stop anyone. I'm not going to condemn anyone, including you, including Richard. Including me. So feel free to insult me more. It doesn't change who I am. Just like saying great things about me wouldn't make me great. I am what I am and I don't need anyone else's approval to justify me. Just as you don't. You do not need me telling you anything. Be yourself. Say what you wish. Write to whatever list you care to write to and anything you do will only reflect YOU. And if anyone threatens to kill you, I shall defend you too, because whatever I think of you (which is probably just as low an opinion as you have of Richard) I shall defend you. Because NO human being deserves to be killed. If we only defend our friends, if we only defend the people whose opinions are acceptable to us, then the world is doomed. For too many people will feel justified in killing, and too few will feel justified in defending. And if you need anything more from me, give me a few days to get back to you. I do have family and I choose them over you any day. I'll get back to you when I can. Mary Quinn We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv./collections/265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Mary Quinn, In your first e-mail you addressed as Bhaskar but in your second e-mail you wrote Dear Bhaskar.So i used word nice for you because i always think,look,accept and respect positivity. Negative word is not in my dictionary.Therefore i do request you to please try to be more positive pushing aside all the grievances.Forgiveness is the best remedy of all the misunderstandings.I know,it is worthless to say so but i will always try to do the same in search of Peace and Harmony. God bless Shashie Shekhar Mary Quinn <mary1quinn > wrote: Hello all, I am amazed at the amount of time you all can spend running to the computer to see if someone else will give you validation. Have you no jobs or families that consume your time? I have been away from the computer perhaps one day, tops two, and now since I am not here to rub oil on your ego that means what??? You are welcome to your opinion of me. You are welcome to have all of India and all of the rest of the world, including all highers up in my country all on "your side". So what? I am who I am. What I do and what I say reflects on me. What you do and what you say, even if about me, reflects solely you, not me. So feel free to insult me, to insult my being a lawyer, insult anyone I associate with, insult my sense of family. Have fun. If that's how you wish to spend your day be my guest. You see, I'd rather spend time with my family and love them such that any stranger who insults them "on the road" will be totally ignored. Insults from strangers will bounce off of them, because my family is secure and loved. Insulting strangers are less than nothing. Of course, if one's relationship with family or country is weak, then yes, I could see that one would need to defend against insult. Because then defending against insult is all you have. Frankly, if you are looking for me (or anyone) to be the arbiter of who is right when insults start flying, then I would never do anything else. I'd have to get after Richard for insulting religion, and you for insulting the other fellow who wanted a happy home life, and a million others of you onlist. How boring. And who made me the "niceness police"? In my opinion, Richard (however rude the behavior is) is welcome to express his opinion even if it insults something important to you. Shame on him, but that's your problem. You are free to insult Richard back. You are free to hate him all you want to. You are free to insult the fellow who wanted a second marriage. You, and everyone else on any list I've ever seen appear to be free to insult each other because everyone seems to like insults. You certainly take every opportunity to cram all the insults you can into as many messages as you can. So have fun. But see you seem to think that insulting is honorable if YOU do it because you feel provoked. You apply NO limits to yourself. But others cannot insult you because you feel they cannot possibly have any provocation to insult. You feel that Hinduism is so terrifically exercised by every single Hindu in the world that no person (like say Richard) could have had a bad enough experience such that he feels the need to insult it. Frankly, I have no idea if Richard is justified in his views. I am not the "Insult Justification Police". I have no idea if you are justified in insulting Richard either. WHAT I OBJECTED TO (and only YOU did it) was advocating specific murder and group hatred towards one human being as if they were an animal and in the hopes they would be eliminated from life. If, sir, anyone INCLUDING RICHARD were to publicly advocate murdering YOU, I would come to your defense loudly and publicly. If because you expressed an opinion EVEN IF SAID OPINION WERE AGAINST MY OWN BELIEFS, and someone vomitted out the type of murderous hatred toward you that you wrote toward Richard, I would publicly flay them too. It is not a question of who is good or bad, nor who is justified or not. People are free to hate, they are free to insult, but a line has to be drawn somewhere for EVERYONE. For me, that line is when anyone advocates solving a disagreement by dehumanizing another such that killing the other seems the "honorablebrahmin" thing to do. I only saw you cross that line. So yours was the only apology that seemed necessary to me. You see, as an attorney I feel that all the benefits and protections of the legal system should be applied evenly to all. INCLUDING those who appear to be obviously guilty. So whatever Richard may have done, you are solely responsible for making threats against life. That came out of your mouth only. If apologies were necessary for each and every insult, no matter how insulting, then we would all be apologizing and unable to do anything else. Yes, I insulted you. I felt your actions were insultable. You insulted me. You must have felt my actions were insultable. You owe me no apology. I owe you none. Richard owes you none for his tirade. You owe none for much of what you said to Richard. If I were "nice" then I might apologise for any hurt I caused you. Afterall, coward and fraud and all the other things I think of you are in fact insulting and rude to mention however much I think them. But you see, you are the type of person to think that if I apologise for being rude, that I am then condoning the excess of hatred you spewed out onlist. I'd rather be rude. You crossed a line more heinous than any insult to any religion, because your actions justify killing. That DOESN'T make the insulting of religion something I advocate. That DOESN'T mean I think everything Richard (or anyone else) does is acceptable. It means that I publicly object to the advocation of killing. And any other insulting is something we all have to put up with. Feel free to insult all that is most cherished to me. You can change the nature of NOTHING by insulting. What I cherish is either great or not. Hinduism is either great or not. Insults to Hinduism should just bounce right off Hinduism. Unless of course your faith in the greatness of Hinduism is weak. Is it? Then perhaps the problem is NOT that someone insults Hinduism, but that YOU can't handle that your faith is weak. I'm not saying your faith is weak. I know nothing (and care less) how your faith is. I just wonder why you are the only Hindu to make death threats in defense of Hinduism. Are you the only good Hindu? I doubt that. I suspect that the other Hindus are strong in their faith, and brush insults off their shoulders like flies. They probably see people who insult Hinduism as less than nothing. Frankly, from what I know of Hinduism (which is admittedly little), I've assumed that it is a great thing. When I hear someone insult it, I assume their experience has been bad with a PERSON who happened to be Hindu and I don't ever think less of Hinduism because of insults to it. But when someone who professes to be the warrior for Hinduism dehumanizes others and advocates killing a human to avenge words I wonder two things: either Hinduism isn't as great as I thought it was or the person advocating the killing is fearful and thinks Hinduism needs extreme protection or it will fall apart. So actually, for me, your actions are more insulting to Hinduism than any words I've ever heard anyone utter. But that's just me. In regards to merely insulting, I'm not going to stop anyone. I'm not going to condemn anyone, including you, including Richard. Including me. So feel free to insult me more. It doesn't change who I am. Just like saying great things about me wouldn't make me great. I am what I am and I don't need anyone else's approval to justify me. Just as you don't. You do not need me telling you anything. Be yourself. Say what you wish. Write to whatever list you care to write to and anything you do will only reflect YOU. And if anyone threatens to kill you, I shall defend you too, because whatever I think of you (which is probably just as low an opinion as you have of Richard) I shall defend you. Because NO human being deserves to be killed. If we only defend our friends, if we only defend the people whose opinions are acceptable to us, then the world is doomed. For too many people will feel justified in killing, and too few will feel justified in defending. And if you need anything more from me, give me a few days to get back to you. I do have family and I choose them over you any day. I'll get back to you when I can. Mary Quinn We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Dear Shashie Shekhar, It is never "worthless" to say so. And it is always worth trying. Please know, though, that wolves can dress in sheeps clothes. So know that using the word "dear" doesn't make me either nice nor positive. Nor does NOT using them make me negative. Image is illusion. I am what I am, as are we all. Hopefully we will coexist with more positiveness and friendliness than not, but it isn't always so, sadly. As another wise listmember told me, it is so easy to misunderstand when reading emails and not seeing expression or hearing tone of voice or knowing the limitations of language barriers and cultural differences. May we all have less misunderstanding in future. Mary Quinn --- Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro > wrote: > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Mary Quinn, > In your first e-mail you addressed as Bhaskar but > in your second e-mail you wrote Dear Bhaskar.So i > used word nice for you because i always > think,look,accept and respect positivity. Negative > word is not in my dictionary.Therefore i do request > you to please try to be more positive pushing aside > all the grievances.Forgiveness is the best remedy of > all the misunderstandings.I know,it is worthless to > say so but i will always try to do the same in > search of Peace and Harmony. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q&A for great tips from Answers users. http://answers./dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Dear Mary Quinn, You have again misunderstood myself and everyone here. No one is insulting You. No one wishes such too. So just let go such thoughts. We are all sparks from the same source. Lets forget all this and just be. Life is too short to make love too, therefore lets not do the other part. Remain happy and bless all for same. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , Mary Quinn <mary1quinn wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am amazed at the amount of time you all can spend > running to the computer to see if someone else will > give you validation. Have you no jobs or families that > consume your time? > > I have been away from the computer perhaps one day, > tops two, and now since I am not here to rub oil on > your ego that means what??? > > You are welcome to your opinion of me. You are welcome > to have all of India and all of the rest of the world, > including all highers up in my country all on "your > side". So what? I am who I am. What I do and what I > say reflects on me. What you do and what you say, even > if about me, reflects solely you, not me. > > So feel free to insult me, to insult my being a > lawyer, insult anyone I associate with, insult my > sense of family. Have fun. If that's how you wish to > spend your day be my guest. > > You see, I'd rather spend time with my family and love > them such that any stranger who insults them "on the > road" will be totally ignored. Insults from strangers > will bounce off of them, because my family is secure > and loved. Insulting strangers are less than nothing. > Of course, if one's relationship with family or > country is weak, then yes, I could see that one would > need to defend against insult. Because then defending > against insult is all you have. > > Frankly, if you are looking for me (or anyone) to be > the arbiter of who is right when insults start flying, > then I would never do anything else. I'd have to get > after Richard for insulting religion, and you for > insulting the other fellow who wanted a happy home > life, and a million others of you onlist. How boring. > And who made me the "niceness police"? > > In my opinion, Richard (however rude the behavior is) > is welcome to express his opinion even if it insults > something important to you. Shame on him, but that's > your problem. > > You are free to insult Richard back. You are free to > hate him all you want to. You are free to insult the > fellow who wanted a second marriage. You, and everyone > else on any list I've ever seen appear to be free to > insult each other because everyone seems to like > insults. You certainly take every opportunity to cram > all the insults you can into as many messages as you > can. > > So have fun. > > But see you seem to think that insulting is honorable > if YOU do it because you feel provoked. You apply NO > limits to yourself. > > But others cannot insult you because you feel they > cannot possibly have any provocation to insult. > > You feel that Hinduism is so terrifically exercised by > every single Hindu in the world that no person (like > say Richard) could have had a bad enough experience > such that he feels the need to insult it. > > Frankly, I have no idea if Richard is justified in his > views. I am not the "Insult Justification Police". I > have no idea if you are justified in insulting Richard > either. > > WHAT I OBJECTED TO (and only YOU did it) was > advocating specific murder and group hatred towards > one human being as if they were an animal and in the > hopes they would be eliminated from life. > > If, sir, anyone INCLUDING RICHARD were to publicly > advocate murdering YOU, I would come to your defense > loudly and publicly. > > If because you expressed an opinion EVEN IF SAID > OPINION WERE AGAINST MY OWN BELIEFS, and someone > vomitted out the type of murderous hatred toward you > that you wrote toward Richard, I would publicly flay > them too. > > It is not a question of who is good or bad, nor who is > justified or not. People are free to hate, they are > free to insult, but a line has to be drawn somewhere > for EVERYONE. > > For me, that line is when anyone advocates solving a > disagreement by dehumanizing another such that killing > the other seems the "honorablebrahmin" thing to do. > I only saw you cross that line. So yours was the only > apology that seemed necessary to me. > > You see, as an attorney I feel that all the benefits > and protections of the legal system should be applied > evenly to all. INCLUDING those who appear to be > obviously guilty. So whatever Richard may have done, > you are solely responsible for making threats against > life. That came out of your mouth only. > > If apologies were necessary for each and every insult, > no matter how insulting, then we would all be > apologizing and unable to do anything else. > > Yes, I insulted you. I felt your actions were > insultable. You insulted me. You must have felt my > actions were insultable. You owe me no apology. I owe > you none. Richard owes you none for his tirade. You > owe none for much of what you said to Richard. > > If I were "nice" then I might apologise for any hurt I > caused you. Afterall, coward and fraud and all the > other things I think of you are in fact insulting and > rude to mention however much I think them. But you > see, you are the type of person to think that if I > apologise for being rude, that I am then condoning the > excess of hatred you spewed out onlist. > > I'd rather be rude. > > You crossed a line more heinous than any insult to any > religion, because your actions justify killing. That > DOESN'T make the insulting of religion something I > advocate. That DOESN'T mean I think everything Richard > (or anyone else) does is acceptable. It means that I > publicly object to the advocation of killing. And any > other insulting is something we all have to put up > with. > > Feel free to insult all that is most cherished to me. > You can change the nature of NOTHING by insulting. > What I cherish is either great or not. Hinduism is > either great or not. Insults to Hinduism should just > bounce right off Hinduism. Unless of course your faith > in the greatness of Hinduism is weak. Is it? Then > perhaps the problem is NOT that someone insults > Hinduism, but that YOU can't handle that your faith is > weak. > > I'm not saying your faith is weak. I know nothing (and > care less) how your faith is. I just wonder why you > are the only Hindu to make death threats in defense of > Hinduism. Are you the only good Hindu? > > I doubt that. I suspect that the other Hindus are > strong in their faith, and brush insults off their > shoulders like flies. They probably see people who > insult Hinduism as less than nothing. > > Frankly, from what I know of Hinduism (which is > admittedly little), I've assumed that it is a great > thing. When I hear someone insult it, I assume their > experience has been bad with a PERSON who happened to > be Hindu and I don't ever think less of Hinduism > because of insults to it. > > But when someone who professes to be the warrior for > Hinduism dehumanizes others and advocates killing a > human to avenge words I wonder two things: either > Hinduism isn't as great as I thought it was or the > person advocating the killing is fearful and thinks > Hinduism needs extreme protection or it will fall > apart. > > So actually, for me, your actions are more insulting > to Hinduism than any words I've ever heard anyone > utter. But that's just me. > > In regards to merely insulting, I'm not going to stop > anyone. I'm not going to condemn anyone, including > you, including Richard. Including me. > > So feel free to insult me more. It doesn't change who > I am. Just like saying great things about me wouldn't > make me great. I am what I am and I don't need anyone > else's approval to justify me. > > Just as you don't. > > You do not need me telling you anything. Be yourself. > Say what you wish. Write to whatever list you care to > write to and anything you do will only reflect YOU. > > And if anyone threatens to kill you, I shall defend > you too, because whatever I think of you (which is > probably just as low an opinion as you have of > Richard) I shall defend you. Because NO human being > deserves to be killed. > > If we only defend our friends, if we only defend the > people whose opinions are acceptable to us, then the > world is doomed. For too many people will feel > justified in killing, and too few will feel justified > in defending. > > And if you need anything more from me, give me a few > days to get back to you. I do have family and I choose > them over you any day. I'll get back to you when I > can. > > Mary Quinn > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv./collections/265 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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