Hindu Scriptures on Atlantis, Ancient Aircraft & Forgotten Histories

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The Vedic traditions of India tell us that we are now in the Fourth Age of mankind.

 

The Vedas call them the "The Golden Age", "The Silver Age", and "The Bronze Age" and we are now, according to their scriptures in the "The Iron Age". As we enter the 21st century both Native Americans, Mayans, and Incans, prophecies claim that we are coming to the end of an age.

 

The Vimanas - The Ramayana describes a Vimana as a double-deck, circular (cylindrical) aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with the speed of the wind and gave forth a melodious sound (a humming noise?). Ancient Indian texts on Vimanas are so numerous it would take several books to relate what they have to say. The ancient Indians themselves wrote entire flight manuals on the control of various types of Vimanas, of which there were basically four: the Shakuna Vimana, the Sundara Vimana, the Rukma Vimana and the Tripura Vimana.

 

The secret of constructing aeroplanes, which will not break, which cannot be cut, will not catch fire, and cannot be destroyed.

The secret of making planes motionless.

The secret of making planes invisible.

The secret of hearing conversations and other sounds in enemy planes.

The secret of receiving photographs of the interior of enemy planes.

The secret of ascertaining the direction of enemy planes approach.

The secret of making persons in enemy planes lose consciousness.

The secret of destroying enemy planes.

 

Sanskrit texts are filled with references to Gods who fought battles in the sky using Vimanas equipped with weapons as deadly as any we can deploy in these more enlightened times. For example, there is a passage in the Ramayana which reads: The Puspaka car that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravan; that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will.... that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky.

 

".. and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere."

 

In the Mahabharatra, an ancient Indian poem of enormous length, we learn that an individual named Asura Maya had a Vimana measuring twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. The poem is a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as the ones we are capable of deploying.

 

Apart from 'blazing missiles', the poem records the use of other deadly weapons. 'Indra's Dart' operated via a circular 'reflector'. When switched on, it produced a 'shaft of light' which, when focused on any target, immediately 'consumed it with its power'.

 

In one particular exchange, the hero, Krishna, is pursuing his enemy, Salva, in the sky, when Salva's Vimana, the Saubha is made invisible in some way. Undeterred, Krishna immediately fires off a special weapon: 'I quickly laid on an arrow, which killed by seeking out sound'.

 

Many other terrible weapons are described, quite matter of factly, in the Mahabharata, but the most fearsome of all is the one used against the Vrishis.

 

The narrative records:

 

Gurkha flying in his swift and powerful Vimana hurled against the three cities of the Vrishis and Andhakas a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and fire, as brilliant as ten thousands suns, rose in all its splendor. It was the unknown weapon, the Iron Thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashesthe entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas.

 

It is important to note, that these kinds of records are not isolated. They can be cross-correlated with similiar reports in other ancient civilizations. The after-affects of this Iron Thunderbolt have an ominously recognizable ring. Apparently, those killed by it were so burnt that their corpses were unidentifiable. The survivors fared little better, as it caused their hair and nails to fall out.

 

Perhaps the most disturbing and challenging, information about these allegedly mythical Vihmanas in the ancient records is that there are some matter-of-fact records, describing how to build one. In their way, the instructions are quite precise.

 

In the Sanskrit Samarangana Sutradhara, it is written: Strong and durable must the body of the Vihmana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth.

 

The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite unambiguously: The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances. A gift from 'those from upon high'. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives.

 

More fantastic still is the information given in the ancient Chaldean work, The Sifrala, which contains over one hundred pages of technical details on building a flying machine. It contains words which translate as graphite rod, copper coils, crystal indicator, vibrating spheres, stable angles, etc.

 

'Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology' From The Anti-Gravity Handbook by D.Hatcher Childress

 

Many researchers into the UFO enigma tend to overlook a very important fact. While it assumed that most flying saucers are of alien, or perhaps Governmental Military origin, another possible origin of UFOs is ancient India and Atlantis. What we know about ancient Indian flying vehicles comes from ancient Indian sources; written texts that have come down to us through the centuries. There is no doubt that most of these texts are authentic; many are the well known ancient Indian Epics themselves, and there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into English yet from the old sanskrit.

 

The Indian Emperor Ashoka started a "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources, would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against, having been converted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody battle. The "Nine Unknown Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one each. Book number was "The Secrets of Gravitation!" This book, known to historians, but not actually seen by them dealt chiefly with "gravity control." It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library in India, Tibet or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere). One can certainly understand Ashoka's reasoning for wanting to keep such knowledge a secret, assuming it exists.

 

Ashoka was also aware of devastating wars using such advanced vehicles and other "futuristic weapons" that had destroyed the ancient Indian "Rama Empire" several thousand years before. Only a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships! Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti- gravitational" and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown power of the ego existing in man's physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull." According to Hindu Yogis, it is this "laghima" which enables a person to levitate.

 

Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called "Astras" by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of "antima"; "the cap of invisibility" and "garima"; "how to become as heavy as a mountain of lead." Naturally, Indian scientists did not take the texts very seriously, but then became more positive about the value of them when the Chinese announced that they were including certain parts of the data for study in their space program! This was one of the first instances of a government admitting to be researching anti-gravity.

 

The manuscripts did not say definitely that interplanetary travel was ever made but did mention, of all things, a planned trip to the Moon, though it is not clear whether this trip was actually carried out. However, one of the great Indian epics,the Ramayana, does have a highly detailed story in it of a trip to the moon in a Vihmana (or "Astra"), and in fact details a battle on the moon with an "Asvin" (or Atlantean") airship. This is but a small bit of recent evidence of anti-gravity and aerospace technology used by Indians.

 

To really understand the technology, we must go much further back in time. The so-called "Rama Empire" of Northern India and Pakistan developed at least fifteen thousand years ago on the Indian subcontinent and was a nation of many large, sophisticated cities, many of which are still to be found in the deserts of Pakistan, northern, and western India. Rama existed, apparently, parallel to the Atlantean civilization in the mid- Atlantic Ocean, and was ruled by "enlightened Priest-Kings" who governed the cities.

 

The seven greatest capital cities of Rama were known in classical Hindu texts as The Seven Rishi Cities According to ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines which were called "Vimanas." The ancient Indian epic describes a Vimana as a doubledeck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer. It flew with the "speed of the wind" and gave forth a"melodious sound." There were at least four different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders ("cigar shaped airships"). The ancient Indian texts on Vimanas are so numerous, it would take volumes to relate what they had to say. The ancient Indians, who manufactured these ships themselves, wrote entire flight manuals on the control of the various types of Vimanas, many of which are still in existence, and some have even been translated into English.

 

The Samara Sutradhara is a scientific treatise dealing with every possible angle of air travel in a Vimana. There are 230 stanzas dealing with the construction, take-off, cruising for thousand of miles, normal and forced landings, and even possible collisions with birds. In 1875, the Vaimanika Sastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadvajy the Wise, using even older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India.

 

It dealt with the operation of Vimanas and included information on the steering, precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and lightning and how to switch the drive to "solar energy" from a free energy source which sounds like "anti-gravity." The Vaimanika Sastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas.

 

This document has been translated into English and is available by writing the publisher: Vymaanidashaastra Aeronautics by Maharishi Bharadwaaja, translated into English and edited, printed and published by Mr. G. R.Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979. Mr. Josyer is the director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation, located in Mysore. There seems to be no doubt that Vimanas were powered by some sort of "anti-gravity." Vimanas took off vertically, and were capable of hovering in the sky, like a modern helicopter or dirigible. Bharadvajy the Wise refers to no less than seventy authorities and 10 experts of air travel in antiquity.

 

These sources are now lost. Vimanas were kept in a Vimana Griha, a kind of hanger, and were sometimes said to be propelled by a yellowish-white liquid, and sometimes by some sort of mercury compound, though writers seem confused in this matter. It is most likely that the later writers on Vimanas, wrote as observers and from earlier texts, and were understandably confused on the principle of their propulsion. The "yellowish- white liquid" sounds suspiciously like gasoline, and perhaps Vimanas had a number of different propulsion sources, including combustion engines and even "pulse-jet" engines.

 

It is interesting to note, that the Nazis developed the first practical pulse-jet engines for their V-8 rocket "buzz bombs." Hitler and the Nazi staff were exceptionally interested in ancient India and Tibet and sent expeditions to both these places yearly, starting in the 30's, in order to gather esoteric evidence that they did so, and perhaps it was from these people that the Nazis gained some of their scientific information!

 

According to the Dronaparva, part of the Mahabarata, and the Ramayana, one Vimana described was shaped like a sphere and born along at great speed on a mighty wind generated by mercury. It moved like a UFO, going up, down, backwards and forwards as the pilot desired.

 

In another Indian source, the Samar, Vimanas were "iron machines, well-knit and smooth, with a charge of mercury that shot out of the back in the form of a roaring flame." Another work called the Samaranganasutradhara describes how the vehicles were constructed. It is possible that mercury did have something to do with the propulsion, or more possibly, with the guidance system. Curiously, Soviet scientists have discovered what they call "ageold instruments used in navigating cosmic vehicles" in caves in Turkestan and the Gobi Desert. The "devices" are hemispherical objects of glass or porcelain, ending in a cone with a drop of mercury inside.

 

It is evident that ancient Indians flew around in these vehicles, all over Asia, to Atlantis presumably; and even, apparently, to South America. Writing found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the "Seven Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire") and still undeciphered, has also been found in one other place in the world: Easter Island! Writing on Easter Island, called Rongo-Rongo writing, is also undeciphered, and is uncannily similar to the Mohenjodaro script.

 

Was Easter Island an air base for the Rama Empire's Vimana route? (At the Mohenjo- Daro Vimana-drome, as the passenger walks down the concourse, he hears the sweet, melodic sound of the announcer over the loudspeaker,"Rama Airways flight number seven for Bali, Easter Island, Nazca, and Atlantis is now ready for boarding. Passengers please proceed to gate number..") in Tibet, no small distance, and speaks of the "fiery chariot" thus: "Bhima flew along in his car, resplendent as the sun and loud as thunder... The flying chariot shone like a flame in the night sky of summer... it swept by like a comet... It was as if two suns were shining. Then the chariot rose up and all the heaven brightened."

 

In the Mahavira of Bhavabhuti, a Jain text of the eighth century culled from older texts and traditions, we read: "An aerial chariot, the Pushpaka, conveys many people to the capital of Ayodhya. The sky is full of stupendous flying-machines, dark as night,but picked out by lights with a yellowish glare." The Vedas, ancient Hindu poems, thought to be the oldest of all the Indian texts, describe Vimanas of various shapes and sizes: the "ahnihotravimana" with two engines, the"elephant-vimana" with more engines, and other types named after the kingfisher, ibis and other animals.

 

Unfortunately, Vimanas, like most scientific discoveries, were ultimately used for war. Atlanteans used their flying machines, "Vailixi," a similar type of aircraft, to literally try and subjugate the world, it would seem, if Indian texts are to be believed.

 

The Atlanteans, known as "Asvins" in the Indian writings, were apparently even more advanced technologically than the Indians, and certainly of a more war-like temperament. Although no ancient texts on Atlantean Vailixi are known to exist, some information has come down through esoteric, "occult" sources which describe their flying machines.

 

Similar, if not identical to Vimanas, Vailixi were generally "cigar shaped" and had the capability of manoeuvering underwater as well as in the atmosphere or even outer space. Other vehicles, like Vimanas, were saucer shaped, and could apparently also be submerged.

 

According to Eklal Kueshana, author of "The Ultimate Frontier," in an article he wrote in 1966:

 

Vailixi were first developed in Atlantis 20,000 years ago, and the most common ones are "saucer shaped of generally trapezoidal cross- section with three hemispherical engine pods on the underside. They use a mechanical antigravity device driven by engines developing approximately 80,000 horse power. The Ramayana, Mahabarata and other texts speak of the hideous war that took place, some ten or twelve thousand years ago between Atlantis and Rama using weapons of destruction that could not be imagined by readers until the second half of this century.

 

The ancient Mahabharata, one of the sources on Vimanas, goes on to tell the awesome destructiveness of the war: "...

 

(the weapon was) a single projectilecharged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as the thousand suns rose in all its splendor. An iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable.

 

The hair and nails fell out; pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white.... after a few hours all foodstuffs were infected.... to escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment..." It would seem that the Mahabharata is describing an atomic war! References like this one are not isolated; but battles, using a fantastic array of weapons and aerial vehicles are common in all the epic Indian books. One even describes a Vimana-Vailix battle on the Moon! The above section very accurately describes what an atomic explosion would look like and the effects of the radioactivity on the population. Jumping into water is the only respite.

 

When the Rishi City of Mohenjodaro was excavated by archaeologists in the last century, they found skeletons just lying in the streets, some of them holding hands, as if some great doom had suddenly overtaken them. These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on a par with those found at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is-fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast.

 

Futhermore, at Mohenjo-Daro, a well planned city laid on a grid, with a plumbing system superior to those used in Pakistan and India today, the streets were littered with "black lumps of glass." These globs of glass were discovered to be clay pots that had melted under intense heat! With the cataclysmic sinking of Atlantis and the wiping out of Rama with atomic weapons, the world collapsed into a "stone age" of sorts, and modern history picks up a few thousand years later Yet, it would seem that not all the Vimanas and Vailixi of Rama and Atlantis were gone. Built to last for thousands of years, many of them would still be in use, as evidenced by Ashoka's "Nine Unknown Men" and the Lhasa manuscript.

 

That secret societies or "Brotherhoods" of exceptional, "enlightened" human beings would have preserved these inventions and the knowledge of science, history, etc., does not seem surprising. Many well known historical personages including Jesus, Buddah, Lao Tzu, Confucious, Krishna, Zoroaster, Mahavira, Quetzalcoatl, Akhenaton, Moses, and more recent inventors and of course many other people who will probably remain anonymous, were probably members of such a secret organization.

 

It is interesting to note that when Alexander the Great invaded India more than two thousand years ago, his historians chronicled that at one point they were attacked by "flying,fiery shields" that dove at his army and frightened the cavalry. These "flying saucers" did not use any atomic bombs or beam weapons on Alexander's army however, perhaps out of benevolence, and Alexander went on to conquer India.

 

It has been suggested by many writers that these "Brotherhoods" keep some of their Vimanas and Vailixi in secret caverns in Tibet or some other place is Central Asia, and the Lop Nor Desert in western China is known to be the center of a great UFO mystery. Perhaps it is here that many of the airships are still kept, in underground bases much as the Americans, British and Soviets have built around the world in the past few decades. Still, not all UFO activity can be accounted for by old Vimanas making trips to the Moon for some reason.

 

Unknown alloys have been revealed in the ancient palm leaf manuscripts. The writer and Sanskrit scholar Subramanyam Iyer has spent many years of his life deciphering old collections of palm leaves found in the villages of his native Karnataka in southern India.

 

One of the palm leaf manuscripts they intend to decipher is the Amsu Bodhini, which, according to an anonymous text of 1931, contains information about the planets; the different kinds of light, heat, color, and electromagnetic fields; the methods used to construct machines capable of attracting solar rays and, in turn, of analysing and separating their energy components; the possibility of conversing with people in remote places and sending messages by cable; and the manufacture of machines to transport people to other planets!

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The nuclear blast that you just described never occurred in the Mahabharata. There are no such references in the actual text and it is merely a distortion of several passages from there.

 

In any case, most of it if not all of it probably never happened and can be discounted as ancient examples of sci-fi even if those instances actually did appear in the text.

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ANCIENT CITY FOUND, IRRADIATED FROM ATOMIC BLAST

 

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous.

 

A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

 

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.

 

The Mahabharata clearly describes a catastrophic blast that rocked the continent. "A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe...An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor...it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.

 

"The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.

 

"After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river."

 

A HISTORIAN COMMENTS

 

Historian Kisari Mohan Ganguli says that Indian sacred writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says references mention fighting sky chariots and final weapons. An ancient battle is described in the Drona Parva, a section of the Mahabharata. "The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees," says Ganguli.

 

"Instead of mushroom clouds, the writer describes a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds as consecutive openings of giant parasols. There are comments about the contamination of food and people's hair falling out."

 

ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION PROVIDES INFORMATION

 

Archeologist Francis Taylor says that etchings in some nearby temples he has managed to translate suggest that they prayed to be spared from the great light that was coming to lay ruin to the city. "It's so mid-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare."

 

Construction has halted while the five member team conducts the investigation. The foreman of the project is Lee Hundley, who pioneered the investigation after the high level of radiation was discovered.

[Eternity]

Well, i had been told by a guru in Nepal (Milk Baba) that these space machines were not really machines but some kind of flying carpets and so on (as it is mentionned in the Ramayana)...

 

Difficult to state from old oral teachings to scriptures and so on, maybe...

What about the planets ? Is there reference to some machines going to some planets, is there reference to psychological means of travel or something like that (as the Hindu world is composed of 3 worlds i think : 1- earth ; 2- Sky world 3- Spiritual world).

 

Well, if someone has information on that you are welcome ! I also heard about some kind of "epics" where Shiva was traveling around the Galaxy from planet to planet, where Ganesh was flying in spaceships.......

 

Eternity

[Sephiroth]

 

The nuclear blast that you just described never occurred in the Mahabharata. There are no such references in the actual text and it is merely a distortion of several passages from there.

 

In any case, most of it if not all of it probably never happened and can be discounted as ancient examples of sci-fi even if those instances actually did appear in the text.

 

Actually, there are references to Nuclear weapons in Mahabratha. Only thing is, it's name is different. Instead of calling it Nuclear Weapon, they called it Brahma-astra.

 

Here's my proof that Brahma-astra is Nuclear weapons :

 

The God of Destruction in Hindusm is Lord Shiva - correct? But why is it that Lord Brahma has the most destructive weapon - Brahma-astra? Because Lord Brahma is the one in charge of Creation and Brahma-astra is made from creative energy which become destructive under the correct conditions.

 

Atoms are the building blocks for all things. If Lord Brahma is the Creator, then He must have access and ability to manipulate the most fundamental substance in the Universe to create things - which is Nucleus and Energy which forms Atoms. If He has the ability to manipulate Nucleus and Atoms, then He too have the ability to create weapons which could use the same technology - thus Brahma-astra is born.

 

 

Hindusm IS NOT Sci-fi or fairy tale like Christianity or Islam. It is based on facts. Only thing is, this facts are described by people who have no knowledge of proper terms used by people in the future and describe it according to their own understanding.

[Eternity]

I am not sure the Brahma-astra weapon is belonging to lord Brahma. Wasn't it Indra's weapon ? (lord of thunder and king of the gods)

[Eternity]

Well, another fact maybe to be on Jeeva side : Some old cities seem to have been discovered in Atlantic ocean, but not revealed to the public. In 1973, Historian/explorer Maxine Asher claimed to have discovered Atlantis off the coasts of Spain. Some other people did the same later apparently and also off Morocco (old temple ruins and pillars underwater,...). Nothing seems to have been officially reported today from these discoveries. I believe truth is really hidden by a small community (or big) of knowledge people.

 

These underwater discoveries go up to Bimini and near Florida coasts, Bahamas etc... it is said. I wonder also about the Dwaraka city of Krishna which is said to have been discovered near the Gujarat coasts... (..?)

 

One more of my wondering... this secret society of the "9 unknown men", couldn't it be figuratively Vishnu with its 9 avatars... ? Seems strange to me...

 

Best Regards,

 

Eternity

[Sephiroth]

 

I am not sure the Brahma-astra weapon is belonging to lord Brahma. Wasn't it Indra's weapon ? (lord of thunder and king of the gods)

 

Nope, Brahma-astra belongs to Lord Brahma, not Indra. Indra's primary weapon/magic is called Naga astra. If you remember properly Ramayana, Ravana's son defeated Indra and obtain a name for himself - Indrajit. He was using Naga astra against Sri Rama and Laksamana during the War.

 

Thing with this magical weapons are, their ownership cannot to given to another person, unless they are taught. Magical weapons like Brahma astra and Naga astra probably have to be blessed by the person obtained from before it could be used.

 

Ravana have done severe tapas to obtain boon from Lord Brahma that he couldn't be defeated by the Gods or Demons (but he had left out humans out of the pictures, thinking that humans are not capable of defeat the mighty 10-headed Demon King). After obtaining that boon, he continued to do tapas again to obtain the Brahma-astra from Lord Brahma.

[Sephiroth]

 

Well, another fact maybe to be on Jeeva side : Some old cities seem to have been discovered in Atlantic ocean, but not revealed to the public. In 1973, Historian/explorer Maxine Asher claimed to have discovered Atlantis off the coasts of Spain. Some other people did the same later apparently and also off Morocco (old temple ruins and pillars underwater,...). Nothing seems to have been officially reported today from these discoveries. I believe truth is really hidden by a small community (or big) of knowledge people.

 

These underwater discoveries go up to Bimini and near Florida coasts, Bahamas etc... it is said. I wonder also about the Dwaraka city of Krishna which is said to have been discovered near the Gujarat coasts... (..?)

 

One more of my wondering... this secret society of the "9 unknown men", couldn't it be figuratively Vishnu with its 9 avatars... ? Seems strange to me...

 

Best Regards,

 

Eternity

 

Actually, I was watching this TV documentary the other days and it stated that UFOs and USOs (Unindentified Submersible Objects) often appeared in areas which corresponds to areas stated to associate with the Altantis Myth - in Bermuda Triangle, off the coast of Mediteranean seas, India Oceans and the area off the south side of Japan Archipelagoes.

 

And No, the "9 unknown Men" have nothing to do with the Maha Vishnu's 9 Avatars. For one thing, Maha Vishnu's Avatars have been around since ancient times, up to 5,000 yrs ago. Stories about the "9 Unknown Men" appears sometime after Asoka Era (rough 2,000 yrs ago).

[Eternity]

Thanks. Yes, but Maha Vishnu doesn't appear 5000 yrs ago. I believe Vishnu is the god of the Christians, introduced in India because of British colony and born from that influence....

[Sephiroth]

 

Thanks. Yes, but Maha Vishnu doesn't appear 5000 yrs ago. I believe Vishnu is the god of the Christians, introduced in India because of British colony and born from that influence....

 

WHAT THE ...

 

Exact WHAT PART of Maha Vishnu or the story of the 9 Avatars which has ANY relations whatsoever with Christianity?

 

I have read the Old Testament AND the King James Version of the Bible, I have NEVER COME ACROSS anything which resembles anything to Maha Vishnu. Don't be Absurd.

[Eternity]

No, what I mean is that Vishnu is a modern concept. And mostly he is the saviour of our planet, like Jesus-Christ was (his incarnations were to defeat the devils and save planet earth). I believe Vishnu has come into force in India after the British colony established.

 

There are no archeological evidence of Vishnu in the past (not to my recollection), whereas there do is from Shiva. Shiva I think is prayed in the remote regions and by ancient traditional hindus, whereas Vishnu is more popular to the people who have been in touch with Christianity and Western world... (no... ? maybe I talk nonsense there..).

 

Eternity

[Eternity]

I have read that 1st incarnation of Vishnu is MAtsya the fish (who saved Jonas in the Bible), 8th is Krishna maybe resembles to... Christ-na...

Vishnu is the preserver and not the destroyer, like Shiva.

[Sephiroth]

Eternity :

 

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No, what I mean is that Vishnu is a modern concept. And mostly he is the saviour of our planet, like Jesus-Christ was (his incarnations were to defeat the devils and save planet earth). I believe Vishnu has come into force in India after the British colony established.

 

 

So you are a Christian. Thought as much.

 

First of all, Christ SAVED NOTHING. Secondly, not even Jews from which Jesus supposed to come from believe in Jesus's words, why should Hindus? And lastly, what Jesus taught have NOTHING to do with Judaism OR Hindusm.

 

Hindusm is not about defeating some devils and saving the Planet. Sri Krishna didn't teach that. He taught how to defeat your own dark self and save yourself (from circle of rebirths).

 

Furthermore, the story of Matsya Avatar could have links to the story of Noah's flood, which means that Hindusm is linked to Judaism, not Christianity.

 

 

There are no archeological evidence of Vishnu in the past (not to my recollection), whereas there do is from Shiva.

 

I think you're a liar. Bhavagad Gita have been around for nearly 5,000 years, and so does historical monuments like the Adam's Bridge, Dwarka (under the sea) and written texts. ONLY the most uneducated person could claim that there is no evidence for Lord Vishnu.

[Eternity]

Well... reading you, the message of Jesus Christ seems a little bit the same as the message of Krishna...

 

Regarding the Bhagavad Gita, it comes from the Mahabharata it is not dating 1 billion years ago as you seem to say and it is no historical foundation in any sense. I see it more like a spiritual message, much younger than what you say.

 

Second, you are not talking about Vishnu when you talk about Dwarka or Adam's bridge, you're talking about Krishna and Rama who are his avatars...

I don't think Vishnu is mentionned in the Vedas....

 

So you lost Sephiroth, please surrender and make no use of violence

 

Eternity

[Eternity]

Have you got pictures on Dwaraka, or do you know where there could be informations or pictures on that Sephiroth..... ?

Thank you,

 

Eternity

[premkumar]

Videos about Dwarak -----> video.google.com/videoplay?docid=221309250800892497

Also this project has a lot of opposition from Christianism.

Money spend for religious conversion $8 Billion - $10 Billion

Money required to feed and develop a country in Africa $3 Billion.

Where is GOD?

Further information can be got from Vatican,Rome library where the stolen documents from India of the Veda's are kept and used in wrong way like Atom bombs and bilogical weapons and still any way to kill people. Your eyes are covered with what is told for every week.

All I can say is "I know. But I cant show you. You can only experience".

[RadheyRadhey108]

 

Second, you are not talking about Vishnu when you talk about Dwarka or Adam's bridge, you're talking about Krishna and Rama who are his avatars...

I don't think Vishnu is mentionned in the Vedas....

Firstly, when you talk about Vishnu's incarnations (or Krishna's incarnations) you are talking about the same person. Krishna is nondifferent from Rama is nondifferent from Vishnu. The only difference is in Their pastimes.

Secondly:

"I will declare the mighty deeds of Vishnu, of him who measured out the earthly regions,

Who propped the highest place of congregation, thrice setting down his footstep, widely striding.

For this his mighty deed is Vishnu lauded, like some wild beast, dread, prowling, mountain-roaming;

He within whose three wide-extended paces all living creatures have their habitation.

Let the hymn lift itself as strength to Vishnu, the Bull far-striding, dwelling on the mountains,

Him who alone with triple step hath measured this common dwelling-place, long, far extended.

Him whose three places that are filled with sweetness, imperishable, joy as it may list them,

Who verily alone upholds the threefold, the earth, the heaven, and all living creatures.

May I attain to that his well-loved mansion where men devoted to the Gods are happy.

For there springs, close akin to the Wide-Strider, the well of meath in Vishnu's highest footstep.

Fain would we go unto your dwelling-places where there are many-horned and nimble oxen,

For mightily, there, shineth down upon us the widely-striding Bull's sublimest mansion."

--Rig Veda 1.154

[suspekt]

 

No, what I mean is that Vishnu is a modern concept. And mostly he is the saviour of our planet, like Jesus-Christ was (his incarnations were to defeat the devils and save planet earth). I believe Vishnu has come into force in India after the British colony established.

 

There are no archeological evidence of Vishnu in the past (not to my recollection), whereas there do is from Shiva. Shiva I think is prayed in the remote regions and by ancient traditional hindus, whereas Vishnu is more popular to the people who have been in touch with Christianity and Western world... (no... ? maybe I talk nonsense there..).

 

Eternity

 

If you believe in the "complete" nature of the vedic school of thought, all religions are appearing from the one source anyways... so who cares what comes first?

 

To suggest that Vishnu is copied from christ is ridiculous... It's definitely the other way (even the word christ is derived from krista, aka krishna)

 

Just because you are shaivite doesn't mean vishnu doesn't exist... even your own acharayas know this.

[suspekt]

 

Firstly, when you talk about Vishnu's incarnations (or Krishna's incarnations) you are talking about the same person. Krishna is nondifferent from Rama is nondifferent from Vishnu. The only difference is in Their pastimes.

Secondly:

"I will declare the mighty deeds of Vishnu, of him who measured out the earthly regions,

Who propped the highest place of congregation, thrice setting down his footstep, widely striding.

For this his mighty deed is Vishnu lauded, like some wild beast, dread, prowling, mountain-roaming;

He within whose three wide-extended paces all living creatures have their habitation.

Let the hymn lift itself as strength to Vishnu, the Bull far-striding, dwelling on the mountains,

Him who alone with triple step hath measured this common dwelling-place, long, far extended.

Him whose three places that are filled with sweetness, imperishable, joy as it may list them,

Who verily alone upholds the threefold, the earth, the heaven, and all living creatures.

May I attain to that his well-loved mansion where men devoted to the Gods are happy.

For there springs, close akin to the Wide-Strider, the well of meath in Vishnu's highest footstep.

Fain would we go unto your dwelling-places where there are many-horned and nimble oxen,

For mightily, there, shineth down upon us the widely-striding Bull's sublimest mansion."

--Rig Veda 1.154

 

No more arguements now. You can cannot argue with vedic text.