doubt -Mahahrada

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OM NAMAH SIVAYA

 

i totally agree with what you say about "progress" in the West vs.

"regress" in the East. growing up in a Christian household, from my

perspective, the philosophical differences seem to stem from The

Infinite's point of origin so to speak. i realize that statement is an

oxymoron but as a generalization The West is Christian and they

believe that man/woman are sinners who need to become worthy of God.

so in effect God is outside of us and we need to earn him. while as a

generalization in Eastern philosophy God is within us only needing to

be uncovered. i think that this cultural difference is a main reason

the West is so outward oriented. that being said we are all the same

in that we want to be happy. in my mind Love is what makes us happy.

either by Loving, being Loved, and/or by doing what we Love. i think

Love is the Natural State and this is where philosophical differences

cease to matter as much anymore, as Love is unique from anything else

in that the more you give it away the more it grows within. those who

have been successful at the different practices and philosophies seem

to be lead to a state where they simply are Divine Love, in and out.

 

JAI MA

 

, "mahahradanatha"

<mahahradanatha wrote:

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> No Problem i am always glad if i can help.

> I think your questions are very interesting and i would love to give

> you more explicit answers, but i can only give some hints because i

> lack the time and my acquaintance with some of these subjects is only

> academic, that is i lack the practical inside acquaintance, for

> instance i never followed a gradual path that is approaching the

> central deity or experience myself,neither have i received practical

> instruction in the devotional Avadhootha practices, and am therefore

> only able to give some hints what general overall direction of the

> different approaches, and maybe help to find out what their position is

> in the complex picture of indian spirituality.

> Upanishads are very basic and every darshana is only showing

> differnt methods that all are supposed to lead to the central truth

> explained there.

> An important step in understanding is thatoften it is not so much a

> path of construction, evolution and progress but true spiritual

> progress is understood as deconstruction, involution and regress. That

> is while the west accumulates karma and calls it progress, the eastern

> mystics deconstruct karma, regresses to the divine origin, by inverting

> the worldly outward and forward path

> though it happens in the individaul futureof the aspirant, this

> progress is not directed to the fúture understood as accumulation, but

> it involutes creation back to the past, the primal beginning of the

> creation, it is thus a remeberance of the natural state, that we had

> before we where born and became somebody. Freedom from rebirth by

> reversion to the state before particluar birth happened going backwards

> so to say to through the gate of the divine womb of space to the state

> prior to individuality.

> MahaHrada

>

> , "ecjensen_us" <ecjensen_us@>

> wrote:

> >

> > thanks for the link and the previous post explanation. hope i am not

> > being a pest with all the questions. just trying to understand from

> > your perspective rather than superimposing mine. thanks again. JAI

> MA!

> >

> > , "mahahradanatha"

> > <mahahradanatha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Brihadaranyaka Upanishad: Quotes and translation are from:

> > >

> > > http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/brhad_00.html

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The Devi Gita has something to say about Bhakti Yoga for those

interested:

 

"The Himâlayâs said:--"O Mother! Now describe your Bhaki Yoga, by

which ordinary men who have no dispassion get the knowledge of Brahma

easily..."

 

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/dg/dg07.htm

 

 

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"mahahradanatha" <mahahradanatha wrote:

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> It would be new to me that Love is an requirement or any of the

> aims of Sadhana. It is rather like i said before an intense

> attachment, and therefore an obstacles rather then a requirement

or

> aim.

> Having said that there is an environment of bhaktas especially

> amongst the vaishnavas that worship krishna, where the use of the

> symbolic language of a love affair in describing the stages of

> devotion is not uncommon.

> Even if an emotional attachment to the deity of choice is part of

> devotion (bhakti) it is bhakti that is an requirment for sadhana,

not

> love.

> Attachment and Aversion (love and Anger) are the cause for the

cycle

> of rebirth by being the cause of the development of Karma.

> Through ignorance of the universal nature of our self we become

> attached to the impressions that gives us pleasure and want to

avert

> those that are causes of sorrow.

>

> Attachment or love to the deity, instead of any other object of

> pleasure is considered an antidote to the attachment to the usual

> sensual pleasures which will create more Ego Avidya and Karma,

while

> attachment to devatas can help to eventually dissolve the causes of

> ignorance, ego attachment and aversion.

>

> Off course one can try to see divinity in everything in a non dual

> way, but then if one tries to do that, both aversion and attachment

> love and anger have to be realised as illusions and understood

as

> ultimately divine choosing to see only attachments and pleasures

> (love) as divine and reject sorrow or aversion (anger) is the

worldly

> path the pravritti marga, the outward path of worldly progress and

> accumulation of karma, in sadhana which belongs to the nivritti

> marga which is a return path one should disentangle oneself from

both

> attachment and aversion and its most intense modifications Love and

> anger.

> With little greed and ego we have only attachment and aversion,

with

> a lot of greed and ego attachment intensifies to Love and aversion

> intensifies to Anger.

> Seen from a yoga perspective love and Attachment moves and poisons

> the prana in Ida nadi, Anger and aversion poison the Pingala nadi,

> Developeing non attachment and euqilibrum=requirement for sucess in

> yoga.

> MahaHrada

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