Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Trasformationless Transformation: In science, we study two types of transformations, a reversible transformation and an irreversible transformation. Ice becoming water and then to steam is an example of a reversible transformation. By cooling, the process can be reversed. Milk becoming curds or yogurt is an example of irreversible transformation. In all these transformations, matter is conserved i.e. the net amount of matter is unchanged. Vedanta explains creation as transformationless transformation – like gold becoming ornaments, like mud becoming pots and like iron becoming machine-tools, etc. Three examples are chosen to drive the point across in Chandogya Up. Ch. 6. In the process of gold becoming ornaments, from the point of the ornaments, ring is different from bangle which is different from necklace, etc. Hence ring is not a bangle which is not a necklace. Each one is different and has distinguishing characteristics or attributes that differentiates that object from the other ornaments. But they all have one common factor – the material cause for all is Gold. In fact, from the gold point, there is no transformation but from the ring, bangle and necklace points there is creation, existence as well as separateness from other objects in the world. We cannot but admire the precision with which our sages have provided the description of the creation. This is the glory of Vedanta. The transformation is transformationless-transformation. Upanishad says ‘vaachaarambhanam vikaaro naamadheyam’ – It is the creation of a name for a form – a ring is a name for the form in the shape of a ring but the material cause is Gold only. From Gold point there is no creation – it was gold – it is gold and it will be gold even if one melts the gold ornaments to make something else. Gold has not become a ring. Yet from the point of names and forms – there is a creation of names and forms. If ring has a mind of its own, it could say that I am only a ring, with a date of birth, different from bangle and necklace. I am of course in many ways better than other fellows since I am required for people getting engaged, married, etc. I feel, however, very unhappy when the owner uses his hands for washing the dirty dishes, etc without removing me from his/her fingers. During those times I wish I was a necklace instead, close to the heart of the owner. Of course necklace has it own complaints. It may wish to be different from what it is right now for it to be happier. If each one of them realizes that I am nothing but that one entity (tatvam asi – that thou art) which pervades all the golden ornaments, from which they all arose, are sustained and go back into – the very core of their personality – which is beyond all names and forms, that which remains as formless yet pervading in all forms in an unmanifested form in all ornaments – which has no birth, growth, disease, decay and death – that which is the substantive of all ornaments – that I am the gold and gold alone – then all its samsaara associated with the identification with the name and form get instantaneously dissolved. It is not that ring is going to become gold. Ring is gold yet ring is different from gold in the sense that they are two different nouns each with different meaning. Ring has a name (padam, in Sanskrit) for a form, but there is no substantive of ring as ringly substance (padaartham). That is, there is no ringly material to sustain a ring – no substance called ring for the name and form to support. What is there is only that which it is made up of – the gold. Actually there is no ring at all, if one wants to examine it carefully. It is only gold in that form, we call it as ring. All the attributes that belong to the ring and that differ from those of the bangle or necklace have nothing to do with gold. Yet for transactional purposes (vyavahaara) ring is different from bangle and necklace and their utilities are different. Vedanta says creation is nothing but name and form, and substantive of the world is nothing but Brahman. There is really no world to call as worldly substance. It is Brahman only in variety of names and forms. Existence is the essential ingredients in all objects when we say ‘there IS an object with these attributes’ – that IS-ness is the existence part. That is-ness is associated with the knowledge of its existence where ‘consciousness as though enters – This is the precisely the way Vedanta describes the creation. The attributes of these worldly objects help to distinguish one object from the other but do not help to identify the substantive, Brahman. Vedanta keeps screaming at the top of its voice – there is nothing other than Brahman. All objects, nay the whole world, arise from Brahman, exist in Brahman and go back into Brahman just as the ornaments from gold. Yet gold has nothing to do with ornaments. In Gita Krishna says the same thing in a different form – ‘I pervade this entire universe in unmanifested form, all being arise from me, but I have nothing to do with anyone of them – Look at my glory Arjuna’. Just as, it is the glory of gold to be able to exist in varieties of forms with names, so is the glory of Krishna to be able to exist in different names and forms; but the misconceptions of each form have nothing to do with me. People suffer because of their misconceptions. Only solution to the problem is to recognize their true nature. Brahman being pure consciousness there cannot be any true creation. Matter cannot be created or destroyed and so is energy. Krishna states this in absolute law of conservation: that which exists cannot cease to exist and that which is non-existent cannot come into existence (naasato vidyate bhaavo naabhaavo vidyate sataH). If there is any creation it is only a transformation of one form to the other. But Brahman which is infinite cannot transform either – this was stated before as Brahman cannot create since creation involves an action. This can be also be stated in terms of cause-effect relationships which is possible only in the realm of time. Even the time concept is the product of creation. That which is beyond time, that which is beyond any cause-effect relationships, cannot be the cause of any universe that is jadam. Hence Vedanta declares that creation is only apparent and not real. Goudapaada puts this neatly and says what we call as creation is the ‘swaabhaavikam’ – natural state of Brahman just as existence in varieties of name and forms for gold is its very nature or to put it more technically gold is malleable and corrosion-resistant enough to be in varieties of ornamental forms. If you know the essence of one ornament, you know the Gold. If you know gold, you know the truth of all gold-ornaments. Similarly if you know Brahman, you know the whole creation, the world of names and forms. Hence when the student asks his teacher, “Sir, please teach me knowing which I know everything” – “kasmino bhaghavo vijnaate sarvam idam vijnaatam bhavati”. Teacher says it is not an objective science, but yet it is the science of every object in the whole universe and that is Brahman, knowing which you have essentially known everything. I do not need to know this ring, that ring, this bangle, and that bangle, etc – that is all superficial knowledge (or knowledge of superimpositions on gold) – there are unlimited number of ornaments. However, once I know that all are nothing but gold and gold alone which remains unchanged in all changes, then essentially I know all those ornaments in the past, all those in the present and all those that will be there in the future. Knowing that which is changeless in all changes is Brahman, the very material cause for the universe of names and forms, I have known the essence of all that was there in the past, all that is there now and all that will be there in future. As Einstein puts it “Once I have known the mind of the God, the rest are all details”. Thus, at the level of vyavahaara, the world appears to be real but from the absolute point there is no creation. Appearance of multitude of forms with names is just the Glory of Iswara as Krishna declares ‘ pasyam me yogamaiswaram’. Creation is just the names and forms without any substantive other than Brahman. Just as ring, bangle, necklace, etc are just the name and form without any substantive other than gold. Therefore all that you see is nothing but Brahman in varieties of names and forms (sarvam khalvidam brahma – all this is Brahman) and there is nothing other than Brahman (neha naanaasti kincana). From the point of negation, what I am negating at the seat of meditation as ‘I am not this, not this’ etc is only the superficial names and forms that are superimposed on Brahman. In the process of negation, I have to see the substantive of all this, this and that is nothing but Brahman. Since Brahman is not an object to see, seeing here means an understanding as in the statement ‘Yes, I see your point.’ From the analysis of the perceptual process also we have concluded that all objects are perceived only as thoughts in our minds and the mind is illumined by the consciousness that I am. Thus thoughts and thus the objects out there are like perturbations like waves on the surface of Deep Ocean of consciousness that I am. The whole analysis is self-consistent and logical too, yet points to the truth that is beyond logic or perceptual knowledge. Let us summarize now the nature of Brahman from Vedantic perspective. It defines Brahman as the material cause as well as the instrumental cause for the universe. We mentioned that this is the incidental qualification (taTAsta laxaNa) of Brahman. We have shown that creation is infinite and hence Brahman also has to be infinite. Next Vedanta provides swaruupa laxaNa – Brahman is the Consciousness. Consciousness also has to be infinite. But being infinite, Brahman is free from any modifications and therefore Brahman cannot be the cause for creation. The apparent contradictions are resolved by understanding the nature of the creation – it is only a transformationless transformation like gold becoming ornaments. Ornaments are at one degree of order which we can call it as transactional reality ‘vyavahaara satya’ – like the existence of ring, bangle, necklace, etc exist, while gold is at higher degree of reality. Ornaments change but gold is changeless. The truth of all ornaments is nothing but name and form for gold only, which is the material cause for the ornaments. Similarly Vedanta says Brahman is the substantive for both seer and the seen, the subject and the object. They merge into one in the realization of oneness of the world and I, the conscious entity. From Brahman point, there is no world of plurality, just as from gold point there is no world of ornaments. Yet, there appears to be the inert world of plurality with varieties of objects each with distinguishing features or attributes. All this that constitute the entire world is only a lower level of reality. From the absolute point or paaramaarthika satyam there is only Braham, existence-consciousness-limitless Brahman (satyam-jnaanam-anantam brahma). Using converse type of statements for definition, Vedanta declares categorically that existence-consciousness-limitless are its necessary and sufficient qualifications or swaruupa laxaNas for Brahman. Nay, they are not even qualifications of Brahman; they are only pointers which cannot be pointed or known. Finger pointing to the moon is not the moon; similarly Vedanta as pramaaNa or means of knowledge points to the truth that is beyond any pramaaNa (aprameyam). The paradox of space and time: Can we see the space or more accurately can we perceive the space? Space is the distance between the objects or distance between two points that are separated. If there are no two points, will there be space as an entity by itself. Infinity and eternity are the beyond the concepts of space and time. In discussing the big bang theory, we raised the question; was the bang occurred in space or space was created with the bang too as one became many by fragmentation. One cannot be fragmented unless one consists of fragments. Space cannot be fragmented, although we try to divide even space as my space and your space, etc. Senses cannot perceive space directly and mind infers based on the object-object relation. In fact due to the separation of the two eyes nearly by 7 degrees, I get stereographic image of the object and thus special dimension in depth. This aspect is used in the 3-D movies where polarized light is used to take two images each rotated by at least 7 degrees and projected on the screen simultaneously. Polarized glasses are given, where left eye sees only one image while the right eye sees the other. Both are projected in the mind as one image giving a 3-D vision. If you close one eye and watch the 3-D movie, you will not see the 3-D. Space and third dimension is visualized because of the way the eyes are located. But just as objects still exist outside, the space between the objects are also exists. Hence space can be deduced by the movement in time. Even the blind can feel the space by moving his hands and get the sense of separation between the objects. According to Vedanta, space is the subtlest one that is created from aatma (aatmaanam aakaaShas sambhuutaH ..) . There are essentially five primordial elements; space, air, fire, water, earth. From the material state points these cover the fundamental states of matter, vapor, liquid and solid, plus energy, a subtler form of matter and space. Krishna says they are my lower nature (vyavahaara) and my higher nature is that which supports all these (paaramaarthika). Space pervades everything but unaffected by everything. But even this space is in my consciousness which means the consciousness that I am pervading the space too. Hence during the deep-sleep state, when the mind gets folded, along with it the objects as well as the space that separates the objects too get folded. I will not have the concept of space and time. But I am there to sleep well. My existence is never dismissed. Along with the space the concept of time is also dismissed. I am not located in space, but space is located in me since I can exist without space while space cannot exist without me. The paradox of time is even more revealing. Einsteinian definition of Time is a gap between two sequential events in space, observed by an observer who does not change with time. Two simultaneous events define space and two sequential events define time. Vedanta defines time more subjectively, since ‘subject’ is included in the perception of time too. Time is the sequence of two experiences by the same experiencer that does not change with the experience. Each event-observation is counted as one experience. By bringing the experiencer and the mind associated with it to observe and record the experience, time is reduced to a concept in the mind. Hence perception of the time depends on the mind too. When there is no mind or to put it more accurately when there are no thoughts, there is no time too. This is what we experience in deep-sleep state where the sleep is considered as only one experience and not two. Hence there is no time or space in deep-sleep state. Then, does time and space have any validity? There are valid as long as mind is there as thoughts are there. Paradox of time arises strangely with the notions in the mind. There is objective time and subjective time. The world continuously changes – starting from sunrise to sunset – two sequential events. We completely forget the time when we are fully involved in one event, particularly when we are happy, since we are with ourselves. We can live only in the present. We cannot live in the past, since past is always gone. The future has not yet come. The present alone is given for us in a silver plate to act and to enjoy. How big is the present? The present is a thin line where the past meets the future. The gap can be reduced to as small possible - a second, a micro second, a nano second or a pekoe second – ultimately the time concept itself is dissolved to the very present where we can live or accomplish and where the very life exists. There is no time in the present. But that is where we spend all our lives. In the present, what is there is only our presence – the very life that we are – that because of which we say we are ‘beings’ – the existent conscious beings that we are – where the dynamic life exists not as a concept in future and not as memory of the past, but the very existence-conscious being that we are. That is the living present where the action is – where the acting itself reduces to being or where acting and being merges into one. In the present we transcend the time itself. There is an objective time for things to be done and things that were completed and the on-going things – but that is only transactional time or objective time for transactional purposes just as the reality that we assign to the objects for the purpose of transaction. Krishna in declaring the law of action and the results essentially says we are only given a choice to act (karmanyeva adhikaaraste) but not in framing the results (maa phaleShu kadaachana). This is because we can only act in the present and the results are always future to the action. A karmayogi, therefore lives in the present – present is not a means for the future, which never comes. Present is the end in itself. Unfortunately we do not live in the present – that is the source for our bondage. We drag the past to the present or we dream about the future in the present. If we examine every action, every thought, either it concerns about the past or about the future. Our ego itself is based on these two entities and does have very little existence in the present. The biodata about every individual is about what he has accomplished in the past and what he wants to do in the future. There is nothing wrong about it. Only problem is in the process we miss the very present where the whole action is. For us the present is only a means to accomplish or to gain something in future but very rarely the end in itself. On the other hand, when we are doing an inspired action, the very acting becomes an end in itself – that is the living a dynamic life or dynamic present where the time concept itself is transcended. During an inspired action, one is not conscious of the time. Time flies. That state of being becomes a transcendental living or meditative living – where one does not care what happens – the future takes care of itself. In fact, future never comes. What is there is only the present – dynamic present where the Lord resides – where the life is – where the conscious-existence exists. That is Brahman. Surrenderance to the present becomes a key to the self-realization. Many saadhakas get trapped in this conceptualization of the future as well as conceptualization of even self-realization. I want to realize one day or I am going to realized soon – wanting mind never ceases to want – always a future expectation. Vedanta clearly declares that you can only realize NOW (ehaiva – right now and right here) – where there is no space and time since both are concepts in the mind. Longing for something in future itself becomes an obstacle for self-realization since longing mind or wanting mind is the ego-based mind which assumes I do not have what I want and I am going to get what I want. For a longing mind, present is only a means for an end and not an end in itself. Life is in the living present and not in the dead past or in unborn future. How to live in the present is the essence of yoga shaastra, where the surrenderance or witnessing presence is the key to freedom from the past and future or freedom from ego. As we analyzed earlier, ego bases its firm existence in the memories of the past and expectations in the future. It has little to do with anything in the present other than as a means for an end in future. Ego, therefore is centered on the wanting mind or longing mind. Wanting mind never stops wanting with whatever it has gained since it always sees itself as incomplete with whatever it has. To reach fullness or infiniteness is the very goal in life. To be fulfilled or longing for self-realization becomes an obstacles for self-realization. This is the final hurdle a seeker has to go through during his spiritual journey. This is expressed as I want to meditate or I want to take up sanyaasa or renunciation or I want to withdraw myself etc are also forms of expressions the ego assumes in wanting to realize. As a general rule, no ego will be able to achieve self-realization since the very self-realization involves transcendence of the ego, which lives in the past and future. Any attempt to eliminate ego itself crystallizes ego in a different form. Only way to eliminate ego is to observe its action in the present. This in Vedanta is called ‘saakshee bhaava’ –attitude of a witnessing agent. Witnessing is a present action and in fact it is an actionless action. In the process one lives in the present where ego has no place. What is there is only ‘I am’ or from the bhakti point, what is there is the presence of the Lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Namaste Shri Sadananda, Thank you for your message #35135 (Feb 15) on "Trasformationless Transformation". It brought to mind Shri Atmananda's insistence that no transformation of the world -- nor even of personality in world -- is essential to realization. A change of perspective alone is truly needed. So your message inspired a piece of verse which is appended below. Ananda A change of perspective ----------------------- All acts performed involve belief in mind-conceived imagining of different objects in a world perceived through passing states of time. As mind conceives of passing time, no different moments co-exist. Each present moment must occur with previous moments now passed by and future moments yet to come. As moments pass in changing mind, each moment that occurs is found experienced in the singular. At every moment in the mind, only one state occurring then is actually experienced. No different sates of changing time are known together actually, in any mind's experience. How then can any mind relate its different states: as each appears thus isolated on its own, with other states found absent then? To overcome this isolation of mind's momentary states, a knowing presence must continue through the course of passing time. That knowing presence must remain. It must stay present in the mind, through mental states that come and go. It is just that whose presence stays, through all the comings and the goings of these passing states of mind. That presence is called 'consciousness'. It's shared in common underneath all different states of changing mind. It is the background of each mind, beneath all change and difference. >From there, all changing acts are known. That background is in truth what knows. Its knowing is no changing act, involving any mind's belief. Its knowing is just what it is, beneath all mind's conceived beliefs. To know that knowing, mind must turn, back from all world's transforming acts, to that which knows these acts unchanged. Returning there, it turns out that no transformation is here needed in our persons or the world. What needs to change is only where what's taken as the knower stands. Where that true knowing has been found, all personality and world are found expressing perfectly what is quite perfect in itself. Attaining that perspective there, all need for change is at an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 advaitin, Ananda Wood <awood wrote: > > Namaste Shri Sadananda, > > Thank you for your message #35135 (Feb 15) on "Trasformationless > Transformation". It brought to mind Shri Atmananda's insistence that > no transformation of the world -- nor even of personality in > world -- is essential to realization. A change of perspective alone > is truly needed. So your message inspired a piece of verse which is > appended below. > > Ananda Namaste Anandaji et al, My own words for this are; 'THROUGH THE VICISSITUDES OF LIFE THERE IS ONLY ONE GROUND, ONE CONSTANT AND THAT IS LOVE. WHEN ONE HAS LEARNED THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING TO LEARN THEN ONE HAS LEARNED EVERYTHING'. When one has learned the Ajativada then one realises that working on one's mind is infinite and it is better to rise above it, if one can....ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Shree Ananda Wood - PraNAms Thanks for your comments and the message. The statements are from the Upanishad itself. The essence of karmayoga involves merging of being and doing into one where we act in the present, enjoy in the present and essentially live in the present thus transcending the very time concept. Yes it is transformationless transformation where there is no trasformation but change in the attitude of what it is by dropping all the notions of what it is not. Hari Om! Sadananda --- Ananda Wood <awood (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: > Namaste Shri Sadananda, > > Thank you for your message #35135 (Feb 15) on > "Trasformationless > Transformation". It brought to mind Shri Atmananda's > insistence that > no transformation of the world -- nor even of > personality in > world -- is essential to realization. A change of > perspective alone > is truly needed. So your message inspired a piece of > verse which is > appended below. > > Ananda > > > A change of perspective > ----------------------- > > All acts performed involve belief > in mind-conceived imagining > of different objects in a world > perceived through passing states of time. > > As mind conceives of passing time, > no different moments co-exist. > Each present moment must occur > with previous moments now passed by > and future moments yet to come. > > As moments pass in changing mind, > each moment that occurs is found > experienced in the singular. > > At every moment in the mind, > only one state occurring then > is actually experienced. > > No different sates of changing time > are known together actually, > in any mind's experience. > > How then can any mind relate > its different states: as each appears > thus isolated on its own, > with other states found absent then? > > To overcome this isolation > of mind's momentary states, > a knowing presence must continue > through the course of passing time. > > That knowing presence must remain. > It must stay present in the mind, > through mental states that come and go. > > It is just that whose presence stays, > through all the comings and the goings > of these passing states of mind. > > That presence is called 'consciousness'. > It's shared in common underneath > all different states of changing mind. > > It is the background of each mind, > beneath all change and difference. > From there, all changing acts are known. > > That background is in truth what knows. > Its knowing is no changing act, > involving any mind's belief. > Its knowing is just what it is, > beneath all mind's conceived beliefs. > > To know that knowing, mind must turn, > back from all world's transforming acts, > to that which knows these acts unchanged. > > Returning there, it turns out that > no transformation is here needed > in our persons or the world. > > What needs to change is only where > what's taken as the knower stands. > > Where that true knowing has been found, > all personality and world > are found expressing perfectly > what is quite perfect in itself. > > Attaining that perspective there, > all need for change is at an end. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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