Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear All, I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and Jupiter conjunct with Venus. Could you please solve this puzzle for me? My birth details are: Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India Thanks, Kishore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Kishore , Please give the full horoscope as per the nadi jyotishis . Does not matter if it does not have degres . With that chart we will be able to find out the date of that horoscope . That will shed some light on this puzzle . Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha ------- § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics email : hmm_aha Home page : growthanddevelopment http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ -------- - kishore_kv Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:42 AM A puzzle Dear All, I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and Jupiter conjunct with Venus. Could you please solve this puzzle for me? My birth details are: Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India Thanks, Kishore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Kishore, This can happen and does happen and I think this is related to the relative speed of planets over the centuries. But the crux of the matter is that does these give you correct future predictions too. In majority of cases, I have seen that they are able to tell you the names and to some extent past correctly, but correctness of future predictions is what interests me. regards, Manoj kishore_kv <kishore_kv > wrote: Dear All, I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and Jupiter conjunct with Venus. Could you please solve this puzzle for me? My birth details are: Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India Thanks, Kishore Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Kishore, First of all, we are nobody to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. Who are we ? Nothing. Secondly if You have checked with these astrologers within a distance of 200 kms, say one in Eluru or one in some other town, then you better take your computer chart along with the Nadi chart, and enquire from those same people, why there is difference ? I think before we use our own arguments, its better to go to there first and then enquire. I would be coming to Eluru within next year,hopefully, and I hope you would help me out with the addresses of these Nadi readers, and would also be coming for a day to Guntur to meet my Uncle. regards, Bhaskar. , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear All, > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > My birth details are: > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > Thanks, > Kishore > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear all, To the extent of my knowledge and experience, the nadi astrologers are able to gve your past very very and repeat very perfectly. But when it comes to predictions, the road side vedic astrologers seem to be doing better than them. Coming to the dilemma of planetary positions, they do not depend upon the calculations to arrive but only on subjective deductions.( Like we look at a person and say'' oh he must be a sagitarius' or we hear to a problem and wonder whether the 7th lord is in 12th) In such a context, the planetary positions woud not be accurate at all. All the nadi astrologers I have visited have rightly pointed out I was into astrology (One nadi person showed much enthusiasm in learning it from me) and tried to place Ketu and Jupiter as per their knowledge. It is a different story they have failed there as well as in their predictions. On the other hand, The dictum based nadi (ie in the traditons of deva keralam etc which depend upon dictums rather than on the readymade horoscopes) can be a failure if you dont have absolutely accurate time of birth. Kishore patnaik On 2/22/07, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > Dear Kishore, > > This can happen and does happen and I think this is related to the > relative speed of planets over the centuries. But the crux of the matter is > that does these give you correct future predictions too. In majority of > cases, I have seen that they are able to tell you the names and to some > extent past correctly, but correctness of future predictions is what > interests me. > > regards, > > Manoj > > kishore_kv <kishore_kv <kishore_kv%40>> wrote: > Dear All, > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > My birth details are: > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > Thanks, > Kishore > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Bhaskarji, I live in Chennai and went to two of the Nadi astrologers here and one in Tirupati. All of them agree that Sun is conjuct with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. I had taken my actual horoscope when I visited them and asked them why there was a difference. Their response was that Maharshis cannot be wrong and what they gave me was the accurate horoscope, even though it differs from that generated by a computer (I use Jagannatha Hora software). Thanks, Kishore , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Kishore, > > First of all, we are nobody to check the veracity of > Nadi astrology. Who are we ? Nothing. > > Secondly if You have checked with these > astrologers within a distance of 200 kms, say one in > Eluru or one in some other town, then you better take > your computer chart along with the Nadi chart, and > enquire from those same people, why there is difference ? > I think before we use our own arguments, its better > to go to there first and then enquire. > > I would be coming to Eluru within next year,hopefully, > and I hope you would help me out with the addresses > of these Nadi readers, and would also be coming for > a day to Guntur to meet my Uncle. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them > uniformly > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > My birth details are: > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Manoj, You are right in that they did not predict future accurately. However if I take the horoscope as given by them and come up with an Ashtakavara chart manually (I cannot use any software because of the problem with Sun and Venus being conjunct and Jupiter and Mercury conjunct in the horoscope given by them), the predictions based on the chart are proving to be fairly accurate. Thanks, Kishore , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear Kishore, > > This can happen and does happen and I think this is related to the relative speed of planets over the centuries. But the crux of the matter is that does these give you correct future predictions too. In majority of cases, I have seen that they are able to tell you the names and to some extent past correctly, but correctness of future predictions is what interests me. > > regards, > > Manoj > > kishore_kv <kishore_kv wrote: > Dear All, > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > My birth details are: > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > Thanks, > Kishore > > > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Anand, Following are the lagna and planetary positions according to the three Nadi astrologers: Lagna - Cancer Ketu - Cancer Sun, Venus - Libra Jupiter, Mercury - Scorpio Rahu - Capricorn Mars - Aquarius Moon - Pisces Saturn (Retro) - Taurus Thanks, Kishore , Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > Dear Kishore , > > Please give the full horoscope as per the nadi jyotishis . Does not matter if it does not have degres . With that chart we will be able to find out the date of that horoscope . That will shed some light on this puzzle . > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > > - --- --------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > email : hmm_aha > Home page : growthanddevelopment > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ > - --- ---------------- > - > kishore_kv > > Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:42 AM > A puzzle > > > Dear All, > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > My birth details are: > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > Thanks, > Kishore > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Kishore , As per our ephimeris , these situation does not come up around your birthdate . Clearly either they are using a different panchang or it could be a typographical mistake . I have also seen this thing happen. As another member pointed out , in Nadi astrologers the interpretation comes first and then comes the horoscope . So just because the interpretation is correct does not mean that the horoscope will be correct as per *our* standard . Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha ------- § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics email : hmm_aha Home page : growthanddevelopment http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ -------- - kishore_kv Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:04 PM Re: A puzzle Dear Anand, Following are the lagna and planetary positions according to the three Nadi astrologers: Lagna - Cancer Ketu - Cancer Sun, Venus - Libra Jupiter, Mercury - Scorpio Rahu - Capricorn Mars - Aquarius Moon - Pisces Saturn (Retro) - Taurus Thanks, Kishore , Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > Dear Kishore , > > Please give the full horoscope as per the nadi jyotishis . Does not matter if it does not have degres . With that chart we will be able to find out the date of that horoscope . That will shed some light on this puzzle . > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > > ------------------------- ------------------------- --------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > email : hmm_aha > Home page : growthanddevelopment > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ > ------------------------- ------------------------- ---------------- > - > kishore_kv > > Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:42 AM > A puzzle > > > Dear All, > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > My birth details are: > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > Thanks, > Kishore > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Anandji, It is impossible that this chart would around his birth time since the Jupiter has been moved back/front by 7year Kishore patnaik On 2/22/07, Anand <anand.ghurye > wrote: > > Dear Kishore , > > As per our ephimeris , these situation does not come up around your > birthdate . Clearly either they are using a different panchang or it could > be a typographical mistake . > > I have also seen this thing happen. As another member pointed out , in > Nadi astrologers the interpretation comes first and then comes the horoscope > . So just because the interpretation is correct does not mean that the > horoscope will be correct as per *our* standard . > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha <hmm_aha%40> > > ------------------------- > § Training § Development § Relationships § Synectics > > email : hmm_aha <hmm_aha%40> > Home page : growthanddevelopment > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ > ------------------------- > - > kishore_kv > <%40> > Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:04 PM > Re: A puzzle > > Dear Anand, > > Following are the lagna and planetary positions according to the > three Nadi astrologers: > > Lagna - Cancer > Ketu - Cancer > Sun, Venus - Libra > Jupiter, Mercury - Scorpio > Rahu - Capricorn > Mars - Aquarius > Moon - Pisces > Saturn (Retro) - Taurus > > Thanks, > Kishore > > <%40>, > Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > > > Dear Kishore , > > > > Please give the full horoscope as per the nadi jyotishis . Does > not matter if it does not have degres . With that chart we will be > able to find out the date of that horoscope . That will shed some > light on this puzzle . > > > > Regards , > > > > Anand > > > > A. K. Ghurye > > Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha > > > > ------------------------- > ------------------------- > --------------- > > § Training § Development § > Relationships § Synectics > > > > email : hmm_aha > > Home page : growthanddevelopment > > http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html > > http://anandghurye.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------- > ------------------------- > ---------------- > > - > > kishore_kv > > <%40> > > Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:42 AM > > A puzzle > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name > etc., > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them > uniformly > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is > conjunct > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in > complete > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > My birth details are: > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 On 2/22/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 > wrote: > > Anandji, > > It is impossible that this chart would around his birth time since the > Jupiter has been moved back/front by 7year > > Kishore patnaik Dear Sri Kishore, On Oct 31 1974, the positions of seven of the nine planets correspond to what your namesake mentions. If I pay PVR for an upgraded JH, probably even Venus and Mercury will do a parivartana Could I request you to clarify on what you said about Jupiter? Rather bizarre, this! Thanks, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear Kishore, Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth time by a few minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be with Sun but on 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have not indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they came out with. I think when you answered the questions of the nadi readers, you must have realized that as you approach your birth time the details of many factors begin matching some pages before the final page that would belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the questions you may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth time and date. There is also the possibility that they are using a panchanga based on a different parameter but I doubt that even that could make Mercury change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility is use of a different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then Mercury and Venus will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th bhava. Chandrashekhar. kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear All, > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > My birth details are: > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > Thanks, > Kishore > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I believe they just used their divine vision. Not panchang - they are rishis they do not need panchang. I am a white lady married to an Indian. He took me to nadi to see if we should marry without telling them our intent they took my thumb print and told me huge details. Mother and father name, they told I am adopted by my parents as an infant. They told that I have come to do social service to orphan children in India without completing my degree. They described my husband and then they laughed because they said that it seemed that the man I was sitting with fit the description of the leaf. They told so many details and the readers of the leaves knew no astrology. About my chart they told I would have lagna in Kendra. My husband feels that I would have Pisces lagna . I was born in the evening in Canada - but I am adopted. evening time 4:36 in Winnipeg Manitoba would give me Leo lagna - not suiting my personality. If I were born early morning I would have Pisces. I am very Hindu in nature and I wonder, maybe rishis saw this quality in me and maybe made my qualities should be seen as though I were born in India. I do not feel I would have Virgo lagna - but feel the Pisces lagna seems more suitable. I have also been intrigued by Nadi and wondered about my horoscope too. I have a lot of belief in Nadi. We have taken many people to Shiva nadi and have seen miracles there. One that I would like to share is that we went with a man who had one wife who had become disabled so he took another wife. Nadi told the name of the first wife - told every detail of the man's career, children etc. They told a different name for the second wife. When we went home he said to his second wife that nadi was a sham because they told her name incorrectly. She asked him what name did they tell you for me. When he told her the name nadi had mentioned she was so exited. Nadi had mentioned the name given to her by her grandfather. The first name she had been given. Her husband did not even know this name but Nadi did! This is only one of the small miracles. I feel we need to accept what is said in Nadi as spiritual wisdom even if we can not understand it. - kishore_kv Friday, February 23, 2007 12:46 AM Re: A puzzle Dear All, I am reposting portions of the earlier message, addressing all, since this is a general query. I am wondering, if it is true that these Nadi leaves were written by Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been different from that being used today. Science fails to explain this Nadi astrology. Can "Divya Drishti" (Divine Sight) of Maharshis be a possible explanation? If so can the horoscope given to me was through such divine sight? In that case we need to believe in the horoscope given by Nadi and assume that horoscope had been cast not through traditional calculations but through Divine Sight. The reason why future predictions are failing could be because of wrong interpretations of verses related to future by the Nadi astrologer. Also I understand that there was a translation from Sanskrit to an archaic form of Tamil. There could be typographical errors because of this translation also. Thanks, Kishore , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: > Lagna: Cancer > Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not mention exact time > of birth) > Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. > > One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, though with Nadi > belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same Horoscope > (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with Mercury). > One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the leaf, while > two others could easily identify the leaves. > > I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written by > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been > different from that being used today. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth time by a few > > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be with Sun but on > > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have not > > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they came out with. > > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi readers, you must > > have realized that as you approach your birth time the details of many > > factors begin matching some pages before the final page that would > > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the questions > you > > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth time and > date. > > > > There is also the possibility that they are using a panchanga based > on a > > different parameter but I doubt that even that could make Mercury > > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility is use of a > > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then Mercury and > Venus > > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th bhava. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release Date: > 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 That is interesting. How is the relationship established with the one who whispers in the ear? But the thing with this is that most of the events given for the future have also happened. My husband was told he would get into an accident that would almost kill him but the divine would be with him. The date was given. We forgot this but when the accident happened we listened to nadi and it was accurate. He was also told that he would buy his first vehicle after this. With the money we got from our insurance company from the accident he bought his first vehicle - that means it was the first vehicle he was ever able to buy - all others up to then were gifted to him. Nadir told he would gain a high post at the age of forty - this has happened. I would even venture to say that the readers do a bit of interpreting of the leaves when giving the predictions- this interpreting is not so accurate but if we get the leaves read and simply translated the readings are very accurate. One of our friends from sri lanka can understand the Tamil of the leaves and he read them verbatim and we found this more accurate then what we were told by the nadi readers. They added their own masala and interpretations upon seeing us, but these human interpretations could not match what had actually been written so many thousand of years earlier. - anuvikas Friday, February 23, 2007 2:12 AM Re: Re: A puzzle Has someone considered the possible use of Karn Pishachini by some of the practitioners to predict the past? This is a trantric sadhana which opens a communication with Karn Pishachini. The curious thing is that these 'beings' are very accurate on the past and present but don't quite 'see' the future so well. The practitioners could be using a combination i.e. Karn Pishachini for past and use regular astrology for the future events. Thanks Vikas - Venkat Machiraju Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:12 PM Re: Re: A puzzle I believe they just used their divine vision. Not panchang - they are rishis they do not need panchang. I am a white lady married to an Indian. He took me to nadi to see if we should marry without telling them our intent they took my thumb print and told me huge details. Mother and father name, they told I am adopted by my parents as an infant. They told that I have come to do social service to orphan children in India without completing my degree. They described my husband and then they laughed because they said that it seemed that the man I was sitting with fit the description of the leaf. They told so many details and the readers of the leaves knew no astrology. About my chart they told I would have lagna in Kendra. My husband feels that I would have Pisces lagna . I was born in the evening in Canada - but I am adopted. evening time 4:36 in Winnipeg Manitoba would give me Leo lagna - not suiting my personality. If I were born early morning I would have Pisces. I am very Hindu in nature and I wonder, maybe rishis saw this quality in me and maybe made my qualities should be seen as though I were born in India. I do not feel I would have Virgo lagna - but feel the Pisces lagna seems more suitable. I have also been intrigued by Nadi and wondered about my horoscope too. I have a lot of belief in Nadi. We have taken many people to Shiva nadi and have seen miracles there. One that I would like to share is that we went with a man who had one wife who had become disabled so he took another wife. Nadi told the name of the first wife - told every detail of the man's career, children etc. They told a different name for the second wife. When we went home he said to his second wife that nadi was a sham because they told her name incorrectly. She asked him what name did they tell you for me. When he told her the name nadi had mentioned she was so exited. Nadi had mentioned the name given to her by her grandfather. The first name she had been given. Her husband did not even know this name but Nadi did! This is only one of the small miracles. I feel we need to accept what is said in Nadi as spiritual wisdom even if we can not understand it. - kishore_kv Friday, February 23, 2007 12:46 AM Re: A puzzle Dear All, I am reposting portions of the earlier message, addressing all, since this is a general query. I am wondering, if it is true that these Nadi leaves were written by Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been different from that being used today. Science fails to explain this Nadi astrology. Can "Divya Drishti" (Divine Sight) of Maharshis be a possible explanation? If so can the horoscope given to me was through such divine sight? In that case we need to believe in the horoscope given by Nadi and assume that horoscope had been cast not through traditional calculations but through Divine Sight. The reason why future predictions are failing could be because of wrong interpretations of verses related to future by the Nadi astrologer. Also I understand that there was a translation from Sanskrit to an archaic form of Tamil. There could be typographical errors because of this translation also. Thanks, Kishore , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: > Lagna: Cancer > Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not mention exact time > of birth) > Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. > > One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, though with Nadi > belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same Horoscope > (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with Mercury). > One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the leaf, while > two others could easily identify the leaves. > > I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written by > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been > different from that being used today. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth time by a few > > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be with Sun but on > > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have not > > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they came out with. > > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi readers, you must > > have realized that as you approach your birth time the details of many > > factors begin matching some pages before the final page that would > > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the questions > you > > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth time and > date. > > > > There is also the possibility that they are using a panchanga based > on a > > different parameter but I doubt that even that could make Mercury > > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility is use of a > > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then Mercury and > Venus > > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th bhava. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release Date: > 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Dear Chandrasekhar, Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: Lagna: Cancer Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not mention exact time of birth) Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, though with Nadi belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same Horoscope (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with Mercury). One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the leaf, while two others could easily identify the leaves. I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written by Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been different from that being used today. Thanks, Kishore , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Kishore, > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth time by a few > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be with Sun but on > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have not > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they came out with. > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi readers, you must > have realized that as you approach your birth time the details of many > factors begin matching some pages before the final page that would > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the questions you > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth time and date. > > There is also the possibility that they are using a panchanga based on a > different parameter but I doubt that even that could make Mercury > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility is use of a > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then Mercury and Venus > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th bhava. > > Chandrashekhar. > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > My birth details are: > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release Date: 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 My error... i thought Jupiter has been moved by 7houses.. thnkx for pointing out, Kishore patnaik On 2/22/07, D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d > wrote: > > On 2/22/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 <kishorepatnaik09%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > Anandji, > > > > It is impossible that this chart would around his birth time since the > > Jupiter has been moved back/front by 7year > > > > Kishore patnaik > > Dear Sri Kishore, > > On Oct 31 1974, the positions of seven of the nine planets correspond to > what your namesake mentions. If I pay PVR for an upgraded JH, probably > even > Venus and Mercury will do a parivartana > > Could I request you to clarify on what you said about Jupiter? Rather > bizarre, this! > > Thanks, > > Ramapriya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Dear All, I am reposting portions of the earlier message, addressing all, since this is a general query. I am wondering, if it is true that these Nadi leaves were written by Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been different from that being used today. Science fails to explain this Nadi astrology. Can "Divya Drishti" (Divine Sight) of Maharshis be a possible explanation? If so can the horoscope given to me was through such divine sight? In that case we need to believe in the horoscope given by Nadi and assume that horoscope had been cast not through traditional calculations but through Divine Sight. The reason why future predictions are failing could be because of wrong interpretations of verses related to future by the Nadi astrologer. Also I understand that there was a translation from Sanskrit to an archaic form of Tamil. There could be typographical errors because of this translation also. Thanks, Kishore , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: > Lagna: Cancer > Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not mention exact time > of birth) > Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. > > One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, though with Nadi > belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same Horoscope > (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with Mercury). > One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the leaf, while > two others could easily identify the leaves. > > I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written by > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been > different from that being used today. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth time by a few > > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be with Sun but on > > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have not > > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they came out with. > > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi readers, you must > > have realized that as you approach your birth time the details of many > > factors begin matching some pages before the final page that would > > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the questions > you > > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth time and > date. > > > > There is also the possibility that they are using a panchanga based > on a > > different parameter but I doubt that even that could make Mercury > > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility is use of a > > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then Mercury and > Venus > > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th bhava. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release Date: > 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Has someone considered the possible use of Karn Pishachini by some of the practitioners to predict the past? This is a trantric sadhana which opens a communication with Karn Pishachini. The curious thing is that these 'beings' are very accurate on the past and present but don't quite 'see' the future so well. The practitioners could be using a combination i.e. Karn Pishachini for past and use regular astrology for the future events. Thanks Vikas - Venkat Machiraju Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:12 PM Re: Re: A puzzle I believe they just used their divine vision. Not panchang - they are rishis they do not need panchang. I am a white lady married to an Indian. He took me to nadi to see if we should marry without telling them our intent they took my thumb print and told me huge details. Mother and father name, they told I am adopted by my parents as an infant. They told that I have come to do social service to orphan children in India without completing my degree. They described my husband and then they laughed because they said that it seemed that the man I was sitting with fit the description of the leaf. They told so many details and the readers of the leaves knew no astrology. About my chart they told I would have lagna in Kendra. My husband feels that I would have Pisces lagna . I was born in the evening in Canada - but I am adopted. evening time 4:36 in Winnipeg Manitoba would give me Leo lagna - not suiting my personality. If I were born early morning I would have Pisces. I am very Hindu in nature and I wonder, maybe rishis saw this quality in me and maybe made my qualities should be seen as though I were born in India. I do not feel I would have Virgo lagna - but feel the Pisces lagna seems more suitable. I have also been intrigued by Nadi and wondered about my horoscope too. I have a lot of belief in Nadi. We have taken many people to Shiva nadi and have seen miracles there. One that I would like to share is that we went with a man who had one wife who had become disabled so he took another wife. Nadi told the name of the first wife - told every detail of the man's career, children etc. They told a different name for the second wife. When we went home he said to his second wife that nadi was a sham because they told her name incorrectly. She asked him what name did they tell you for me. When he told her the name nadi had mentioned she was so exited. Nadi had mentioned the name given to her by her grandfather. The first name she had been given. Her husband did not even know this name but Nadi did! This is only one of the small miracles. I feel we need to accept what is said in Nadi as spiritual wisdom even if we can not understand it. - kishore_kv Friday, February 23, 2007 12:46 AM Re: A puzzle Dear All, I am reposting portions of the earlier message, addressing all, since this is a general query. I am wondering, if it is true that these Nadi leaves were written by Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been different from that being used today. Science fails to explain this Nadi astrology. Can "Divya Drishti" (Divine Sight) of Maharshis be a possible explanation? If so can the horoscope given to me was through such divine sight? In that case we need to believe in the horoscope given by Nadi and assume that horoscope had been cast not through traditional calculations but through Divine Sight. The reason why future predictions are failing could be because of wrong interpretations of verses related to future by the Nadi astrologer. Also I understand that there was a translation from Sanskrit to an archaic form of Tamil. There could be typographical errors because of this translation also. Thanks, Kishore , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: > Lagna: Cancer > Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not mention exact time > of birth) > Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. > > One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, though with Nadi > belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same Horoscope > (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with Mercury). > One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the leaf, while > two others could easily identify the leaves. > > I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written by > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been > different from that being used today. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth time by a few > > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be with Sun but on > > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have not > > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they came out with. > > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi readers, you must > > have realized that as you approach your birth time the details of many > > factors begin matching some pages before the final page that would > > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the questions > you > > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth time and > date. > > > > There is also the possibility that they are using a panchanga based > on a > > different parameter but I doubt that even that could make Mercury > > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility is use of a > > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then Mercury and > Venus > > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th bhava. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release Date: > 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Many people offer this explanation. please refer earlier discussions in VA. But what is right is yet to be established. Kishore patnaik On 2/23/07, Venkat Machiraju <punditvenkat (AT) mts (DOT) net> wrote: > > That is interesting. > How is the relationship established with the one who whispers in the ear? > But the thing with this is that most of the events given for the future > have also happened. > My husband was told he would get into an accident that would almost kill > him but the divine would be with him. > The date was given. We forgot this but when the accident happened we > listened to nadi and it was accurate. He was also told that he would buy his > first vehicle after this. With the money we got from our insurance company > from the accident he bought his first vehicle - that means it was the first > vehicle he was ever able to buy - all others up to then were gifted to him. > Nadir told he would gain a high post at the age of forty - this has > happened. > I would even venture to say that the readers do a bit of interpreting of > the leaves when giving the predictions- this interpreting is not so accurate > but if we get the leaves read and simply translated the readings are very > accurate. > One of our friends from sri lanka can understand the Tamil of the leaves > and he read them verbatim and we found this more accurate then what we were > told by the nadi readers. They added their own masala and interpretations > upon seeing us, but these human interpretations could not match what had > actually been written so many thousand of years earlier. > - > anuvikas > <%40> > Friday, February 23, 2007 2:12 AM > Re: Re: A puzzle > > Has someone considered the possible use of Karn Pishachini by some of the > practitioners to predict the past? This is a trantric sadhana which opens a > communication with Karn Pishachini. The curious thing is that these 'beings' > are very accurate on the past and present but don't quite 'see' the future > so well. The practitioners could be using a combination i.e. Karn > Pishachini for past and use regular astrology for the future events. > > Thanks > > Vikas > > - > Venkat Machiraju > <%40> > Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:12 PM > Re: Re: A puzzle > > I believe they just used their divine vision. > Not panchang - they are rishis they do not need panchang. > I am a white lady married to an Indian. > He took me to nadi to see if we should marry without telling them our > intent they took my thumb print and told me huge details. > Mother and father name, they told I am adopted by my parents as an infant. > They told that I have come to do social service to orphan children in > India without completing my degree. > They described my husband and then they laughed because they said that it > seemed that the man I was sitting with fit the description of the leaf. > They told so many details and the readers of the leaves knew no astrology. > About my chart they told I would have lagna in Kendra. My husband feels > that I would have Pisces lagna . > I was born in the evening in Canada - but I am adopted. evening time 4:36 > in Winnipeg Manitoba would give me Leo lagna - not suiting my personality. > If I were born early morning I would have Pisces. > I am very Hindu in nature and I wonder, maybe rishis saw this quality in > me and maybe made my qualities should be seen as though I were born in > India. > I do not feel I would have Virgo lagna - but feel the Pisces lagna seems > more suitable. > I have also been intrigued by Nadi and wondered about my horoscope too. > I have a lot of belief in Nadi. > We have taken many people to Shiva nadi and have seen miracles there. > One that I would like to share is that we went with a man who had one wife > who had become disabled so he took another wife. > Nadi told the name of the first wife - told every detail of the man's > career, children etc. > They told a different name for the second wife. > When we went home he said to his second wife that nadi was a sham because > they told her name incorrectly. > She asked him what name did they tell you for me. When he told her the > name nadi had mentioned she was so exited. Nadi had mentioned the name given > to her by her grandfather. The first name she had been given. Her husband > did not even know this name but Nadi did! > This is only one of the small miracles. > I feel we need to accept what is said in Nadi as spiritual wisdom even if > we can not understand it. > - > kishore_kv > <%40> > Friday, February 23, 2007 12:46 AM > Re: A puzzle > > Dear All, > > I am reposting portions of the earlier message, addressing all, since > this is a general query. > > I am wondering, if it is true that these Nadi leaves were written by > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been > different from that being used today. > > Science fails to explain this Nadi astrology. Can "Divya Drishti" > (Divine Sight) of Maharshis be a possible explanation? If so can the > horoscope given to me was through such divine sight? In that case we > need to believe in the horoscope given by Nadi and assume that > horoscope had been cast not through traditional calculations but > through Divine Sight. The reason why future predictions are failing > could be because of wrong interpretations of verses related to future > by the Nadi astrologer. Also I understand that there was a translation > from Sanskrit to an archaic form of Tamil. There could be > typographical errors because of this translation also. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > <%40>, > "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: > > Lagna: Cancer > > Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not mention exact time > > of birth) > > Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. > > > > One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, though with Nadi > > belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same Horoscope > > (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with Mercury). > > One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the leaf, while > > two others could easily identify the leaves. > > > > I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written by > > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might > > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the > > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive > > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in > > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, > > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been > > different from that being used today. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth time by > a few > > > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be with Sun > but on > > > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have not > > > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they came out > with. > > > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi readers, you must > > > have realized that as you approach your birth time the details of > many > > > factors begin matching some pages before the final page that would > > > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the questions > > you > > > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth time and > > date. > > > > > > There is also the possibility that they are using a panchanga based > > on a > > > different parameter but I doubt that even that could make Mercury > > > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility is use > of a > > > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then Mercury and > > Venus > > > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th bhava. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > > > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > > > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > > > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > > > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them > uniformly > > > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > > > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > > > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > > > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > > > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release Date: > > 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Dear Kishore and all members, Here are my views & experience on this subject. About 8 yrs ago I met a Nadi reader in Andhra Pradesh. He was a Tamil-based reader, and he himself was translating into Telugu (a peculiar accent of Telugu). He narrated my name, wife's name, parents' names etc. perfectly, as you were describing. However, for future predictions, whatever predictions he gave me were kind of long range predictions, and I still have to test them. Just one prediction came out true in these 8 yrs. We were longing for a male child and he said some remedial measures (including somethings to be given to him). I did not give anything to him later; but we sincerely implemented all the remedial measures he told us (excepting that 'giving something to him'). So I did not spend much money for the remedial measures. Rather I just relied on more bhakthi or devotion to god with open mind. Last year we were blessed with a son. In addition to his Nadi astrologer, we met another Nadi astrologer also in 2000, who came to US on a visit. I felt this second Nadi astrologer was more spiritual and got divine power compared to the first. He told me to do Amba upasana regularly because my horoscope directs the same and I would get all positive results. I started doing so; and I got wonderful results including having a son. The difference in the two was, that the first nadi reader did not ask my horoscope; whereas the second one used my horoscope as basis; he also used some palm leaves that he has with him. The second reader also gave a few more predictions to me and my wife; all came out correct (100% success). The first nadi reader gave my planetary positions from his leaves. All the planets were matching my horoscope, except that the time of birth was advanced by about 30 minutes by him. and he gave the lagna next lagna to what I have in my horoscope. Even if I advance my birth time by 30 minutes; I will not get the lagna he proposed, rather I should advance my birth time by 1 hr instead to get to his proposed lagna. However the point that strikingly matches is that the lagna he proposes is my Karakamsa Lagna. According to rules of astrology, Karakamsa Lagna is also a valid lagna for predictions. The first nadi reader looked to me more just like a reader, with less of astrological basis. The second one (also used palm leaves in addition to my horoscope), and went into a trans-like condition and predictions came out of his mouth, like a high-speed stream of water flowing from a nozzle. WHatever he told me so far; came out 100% correct. I therefore believe one thing clearly: There is some truth in the Nadi leaves which is giving some information strikingly correct. But at the same time I have to believe that there is so much fraud going around the future predictions, as I do not see every Nadi astrologer to be spiritually oriented; therefore my approach is to use Nadi preidctions cautiously; not because I doubt Maha rishis; I cannot even dream of doubting them or their foresight or vision; but I strongly doubt the interpreters or readers. , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear All, > > I am reposting portions of the earlier message, addressing all, since > this is a general query. > > I am wondering, if it is true that these Nadi leaves were written by > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been > different from that being used today. > > Science fails to explain this Nadi astrology. Can "Divya Drishti" > (Divine Sight) of Maharshis be a possible explanation? If so can the > horoscope given to me was through such divine sight? In that case we > need to believe in the horoscope given by Nadi and assume that > horoscope had been cast not through traditional calculations but > through Divine Sight. The reason why future predictions are failing > could be because of wrong interpretations of verses related to future > by the Nadi astrologer. Also I understand that there was a translation > from Sanskrit to an archaic form of Tamil. There could be > typographical errors because of this translation also. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: > > Lagna: Cancer > > Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not mention exact time > > of birth) > > Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. > > > > One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, though with Nadi > > belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same Horoscope > > (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with Mercury). > > One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the leaf, while > > two others could easily identify the leaves. > > > > I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written by > > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might > > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the > > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive > > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in > > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, > > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been > > different from that being used today. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth time by > a few > > > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be with Sun > but on > > > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have not > > > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they came out > with. > > > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi readers, you must > > > have realized that as you approach your birth time the details of > many > > > factors begin matching some pages before the final page that would > > > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the questions > > you > > > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth time and > > date. > > > > > > There is also the possibility that they are using a panchanga based > > on a > > > different parameter but I doubt that even that could make Mercury > > > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility is use > of a > > > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then Mercury and > > Venus > > > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th bhava. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > > > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > > > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > > > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > > > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them > uniformly > > > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > > > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > > > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > > > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > > > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release Date: > > 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Dear Ssatya Sai, I wish to bring to notice of readers that there is a Mantra "Karna Pisachini " which one can attain siddhi of within 7 days, with siddhi of this Mantra, the Pisachini comes and tells the astrologer all about the natives past, everything, in the ears which only the astrologer can hear and when he blurts this in a trance like state smoothly and continously to the native, it looks really impressive. But these pisachinis cannot talk about future , since they do not have the power to do so, they are only allowed to see the past, and hence the past never comes out true. I will not talk more on this subject, because even the pisachinis have to be respected for their present state and the good they do to such astrologers. But I warn the budding astrologers not to get siddhi of Mantras with ownership of such entities, as the end of such astrologers is really a terrible one, and not only the end, but thereafter these astrologers without their flesh body have to serve such masters for 1000- 2000 years till they are free from slavery . This is the price to pay for getting to know the past of natives ,from such entities. //therefore my approach is to use Nadi preidctions cautiously; not because I doubt Maha rishis; I cannot even dream of doubting them or their foresight or vision; but I strongly doubt the interpreters or readers.// Right, because today many (Not All)make use of Handmade wooden palm leaves,not from ancient origin, but made in modern present area , and they give few predictions correctly with the Prashna Lagna (In Mind) of the moment, which makes the person gone for reading, think that he has hit a jackpot, and when this person pays for future readings, nothing comes out right, because if that astrologer was so smart, then he would not have needed to make fool of any person with Palm leaves in hand. But like evry profession has crooks and we cannot put all the practioners in the same mould, in the same way, true Nadi readers do exist in India, its on our luck and timings of our good destiny which if exists, then would get us to meet them. Bhaskar. , "Satya Sai Kolachina" <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Kishore and all members, > > Here are my views & experience on this subject. > > About 8 yrs ago I met a Nadi reader in Andhra Pradesh. He was a > Tamil-based reader, and he himself was translating into Telugu (a > peculiar accent of Telugu). > > He narrated my name, wife's name, parents' names etc. perfectly, as > you were describing. However, for future predictions, whatever > predictions he gave me were kind of long range predictions, and I > still have to test them. Just one prediction came out true in these > 8 yrs. We were longing for a male child and he said some remedial > measures (including somethings to be given to him). I did not give > anything to him later; but we sincerely implemented all the remedial > measures he told us (excepting that 'giving something to him'). So I > did not spend much money for the remedial measures. Rather I just > relied on more bhakthi or devotion to god with open mind. Last year > we were blessed with a son. > > In addition to his Nadi astrologer, we met another Nadi astrologer > also in 2000, who came to US on a visit. I felt this second Nadi > astrologer was more spiritual and got divine power compared to the > first. He told me to do Amba upasana regularly because my horoscope > directs the same and I would get all positive results. I started > doing so; and I got wonderful results including having a son. > > The difference in the two was, that the first nadi reader did not > ask my horoscope; whereas the second one used my horoscope as basis; > he also used some palm leaves that he has with him. The second > reader also gave a few more predictions to me and my wife; all came > out correct (100% success). The first nadi reader gave my planetary > positions from his leaves. All the planets were matching my > horoscope, except that the time of birth was advanced by about 30 > minutes by him. and he gave the lagna next lagna to what I have in > my horoscope. Even if I advance my birth time by 30 minutes; I will > not get the lagna he proposed, rather I should advance my birth time > by 1 hr instead to get to his proposed lagna. However the point that > strikingly matches is that the lagna he proposes is my Karakamsa > Lagna. According to rules of astrology, Karakamsa Lagna is also a > valid lagna for predictions. > > The first nadi reader looked to me more just like a reader, with > less of astrological basis. The second one (also used palm leaves in > addition to my horoscope), and went into a trans-like condition and > predictions came out of his mouth, like a high-speed stream of water > flowing from a nozzle. WHatever he told me so far; came out 100% > correct. > > I therefore believe one thing clearly: There is some truth in the > Nadi leaves which is giving some information strikingly correct. But > at the same time I have to believe that there is so much fraud going > around the future predictions, as I do not see every Nadi astrologer > to be spiritually oriented; therefore my approach is to use Nadi > preidctions cautiously; not because I doubt Maha rishis; I cannot > even dream of doubting them or their foresight or vision; but I > strongly doubt the interpreters or readers. > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I am reposting portions of the earlier message, addressing all, > since > > this is a general query. > > > > I am wondering, if it is true that these Nadi leaves were written > by > > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might > > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the > > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be > instructive > > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast > horoscopes in > > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, > GMT, > > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been > > different from that being used today. > > > > Science fails to explain this Nadi astrology. Can "Divya Drishti" > > (Divine Sight) of Maharshis be a possible explanation? If so can > the > > horoscope given to me was through such divine sight? In that case > we > > need to believe in the horoscope given by Nadi and assume that > > horoscope had been cast not through traditional calculations but > > through Divine Sight. The reason why future predictions are failing > > could be because of wrong interpretations of verses related to > future > > by the Nadi astrologer. Also I understand that there was a > translation > > from Sanskrit to an archaic form of Tamil. There could be > > typographical errors because of this translation also. > > > > Thanks, > > Kishore > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > > > Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: > > > Lagna: Cancer > > > Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not mention > exact time > > > of birth) > > > Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. > > > > > > One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, though > with Nadi > > > belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same > Horoscope > > > (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with > Mercury). > > > One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the leaf, > while > > > two others could easily identify the leaves. > > > > > > I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written by > > > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they > might > > > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > > > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with > the > > > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be > instructive > > > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast > horoscopes in > > > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman > Ayanamsa, GMT, > > > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have > been > > > different from that being used today. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > > > > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth time > by > > a few > > > > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be with > Sun > > but on > > > > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have > not > > > > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they came > out > > with. > > > > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi readers, > you must > > > > have realized that as you approach your birth time the details > of > > many > > > > factors begin matching some pages before the final page that > would > > > > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the > questions > > > you > > > > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth > time and > > > date. > > > > > > > > There is also the possibility that they are using a panchanga > based > > > on a > > > > different parameter but I doubt that even that could make > Mercury > > > > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility is > use > > of a > > > > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then Mercury > and > > > Venus > > > > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th bhava. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different > systems > > > > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi > astrology. > > > > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's > name etc., > > > > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something > that is > > > > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them > > uniformly > > > > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is > conjunct > > > > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in > complete > > > > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as > manually > > > > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with > Mercury and > > > > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > > > > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- - > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release > Date: > > > 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 In case of Pisachinis please read that the future never comes out true. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ssatya Sai, > > I wish to bring to notice of readers that there is a Mantra "Karna > Pisachini " which one can attain siddhi of within 7 days, with siddhi > of this Mantra, the Pisachini comes and tells the astrologer all > about the natives past, everything, in the ears which only the > astrologer can hear and when he blurts this in a trance like state > smoothly and continously to the native, it looks really impressive. > But these pisachinis cannot talk about future , since they do not > have the power to do so, they are only allowed to see the past, > and hence the past never comes out true. I will not talk more > on this subject, because even the pisachinis have to be respected for > their present state and the good they do to such astrologers. > > But I warn the budding astrologers not to get siddhi of Mantras with > ownership of such entities, as the end of such astrologers is really > a terrible one, and not only the end, but thereafter these > astrologers without their flesh body have to serve such masters > for 1000- 2000 years till they are free from slavery . This is the > price to pay for getting to know the past of natives ,from > such entities. > > > //therefore my approach is to use Nadi > preidctions cautiously; not because I doubt Maha rishis; I cannot > even dream of doubting them or their foresight or vision; but I > strongly doubt the interpreters or readers.// > > Right, because today many (Not All)make use of Handmade wooden palm > leaves,not from ancient origin, but made in modern present area , > and they give few predictions correctly with the Prashna Lagna (In > Mind) of the moment, which makes the person gone for reading, think > that he has hit a jackpot, and when this person pays for future > readings, nothing comes out right, because if that astrologer was so > smart, then he would not have needed to make fool of any person with > Palm leaves in hand. > > But like evry profession has crooks and we cannot put all the > practioners in the same mould, in the same way, true Nadi readers do > exist in India, its on our luck and timings of our good destiny > which if exists, then would get us to meet them. > > Bhaskar. > > > , "Satya Sai Kolachina" > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kishore and all members, > > > > Here are my views & experience on this subject. > > > > About 8 yrs ago I met a Nadi reader in Andhra Pradesh. He was a > > Tamil-based reader, and he himself was translating into Telugu (a > > peculiar accent of Telugu). > > > > He narrated my name, wife's name, parents' names etc. perfectly, as > > you were describing. However, for future predictions, whatever > > predictions he gave me were kind of long range predictions, and I > > still have to test them. Just one prediction came out true in these > > 8 yrs. We were longing for a male child and he said some remedial > > measures (including somethings to be given to him). I did not give > > anything to him later; but we sincerely implemented all the > remedial > > measures he told us (excepting that 'giving something to him'). So > I > > did not spend much money for the remedial measures. Rather I just > > relied on more bhakthi or devotion to god with open mind. Last year > > we were blessed with a son. > > > > In addition to his Nadi astrologer, we met another Nadi astrologer > > also in 2000, who came to US on a visit. I felt this second Nadi > > astrologer was more spiritual and got divine power compared to the > > first. He told me to do Amba upasana regularly because my horoscope > > directs the same and I would get all positive results. I started > > doing so; and I got wonderful results including having a son. > > > > The difference in the two was, that the first nadi reader did not > > ask my horoscope; whereas the second one used my horoscope as > basis; > > he also used some palm leaves that he has with him. The second > > reader also gave a few more predictions to me and my wife; all came > > out correct (100% success). The first nadi reader gave my planetary > > positions from his leaves. All the planets were matching my > > horoscope, except that the time of birth was advanced by about 30 > > minutes by him. and he gave the lagna next lagna to what I have in > > my horoscope. Even if I advance my birth time by 30 minutes; I will > > not get the lagna he proposed, rather I should advance my birth > time > > by 1 hr instead to get to his proposed lagna. However the point > that > > strikingly matches is that the lagna he proposes is my Karakamsa > > Lagna. According to rules of astrology, Karakamsa Lagna is also a > > valid lagna for predictions. > > > > The first nadi reader looked to me more just like a reader, with > > less of astrological basis. The second one (also used palm leaves > in > > addition to my horoscope), and went into a trans-like condition and > > predictions came out of his mouth, like a high-speed stream of > water > > flowing from a nozzle. WHatever he told me so far; came out 100% > > correct. > > > > I therefore believe one thing clearly: There is some truth in the > > Nadi leaves which is giving some information strikingly correct. > But > > at the same time I have to believe that there is so much fraud > going > > around the future predictions, as I do not see every Nadi > astrologer > > to be spiritually oriented; therefore my approach is to use Nadi > > preidctions cautiously; not because I doubt Maha rishis; I cannot > > even dream of doubting them or their foresight or vision; but I > > strongly doubt the interpreters or readers. > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I am reposting portions of the earlier message, addressing all, > > since > > > this is a general query. > > > > > > I am wondering, if it is true that these Nadi leaves were written > > by > > > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they > might > > > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > > > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the > > > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be > > instructive > > > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast > > horoscopes in > > > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, > > GMT, > > > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have > been > > > different from that being used today. > > > > > > Science fails to explain this Nadi astrology. Can "Divya Drishti" > > > (Divine Sight) of Maharshis be a possible explanation? If so can > > the > > > horoscope given to me was through such divine sight? In that case > > we > > > need to believe in the horoscope given by Nadi and assume that > > > horoscope had been cast not through traditional calculations but > > > through Divine Sight. The reason why future predictions are > failing > > > could be because of wrong interpretations of verses related to > > future > > > by the Nadi astrologer. Also I understand that there was a > > translation > > > from Sanskrit to an archaic form of Tamil. There could be > > > typographical errors because of this translation also. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > > > > > Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: > > > > Lagna: Cancer > > > > Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not mention > > exact time > > > > of birth) > > > > Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. > > > > > > > > One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, though > > with Nadi > > > > belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same > > Horoscope > > > > (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with > > Mercury). > > > > One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the leaf, > > while > > > > two others could easily identify the leaves. > > > > > > > > I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written by > > > > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they > > might > > > > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have > been > > > > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with > > the > > > > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be > > instructive > > > > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast > > horoscopes in > > > > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman > > Ayanamsa, GMT, > > > > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have > > been > > > > different from that being used today. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > > > > > > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth > time > > by > > > a few > > > > > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be with > > Sun > > > but on > > > > > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have > > not > > > > > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they came > > out > > > with. > > > > > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi readers, > > you must > > > > > have realized that as you approach your birth time the > details > > of > > > many > > > > > factors begin matching some pages before the final page that > > would > > > > > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the > > questions > > > > you > > > > > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth > > time and > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > There is also the possibility that they are using a panchanga > > based > > > > on a > > > > > different parameter but I doubt that even that could make > > Mercury > > > > > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility is > > use > > > of a > > > > > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then > Mercury > > and > > > > Venus > > > > > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th > bhava. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different > > systems > > > > > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi > > astrology. > > > > > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's > > name etc., > > > > > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something > > that is > > > > > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them > > > uniformly > > > > > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is > > conjunct > > > > > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in > > complete > > > > > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as > > manually > > > > > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with > > Mercury and > > > > > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- -- > - > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release > > Date: > > > > 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, You are absolutely right and I also heard of this. That is also a reason I said we have to be cautious with Nadi astrologers. The only way astrologers get spiritual strength is to worship one of the forms of the deities like Vishnu, or Shiva, or Amba etc., or Hanuman, Subrahmanya and so on and so forth, as per our choice and faith system., These deities also give siddhis, which are true siddhis; but it take a long long process; but the real attainment of siddhi comes only through these deities. Satya Sai Kolachina , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > In case of Pisachinis please read that the future never comes out > true. > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ssatya Sai, > > > > I wish to bring to notice of readers that there is a Mantra "Karna > > Pisachini " which one can attain siddhi of within 7 days, with > siddhi > > of this Mantra, the Pisachini comes and tells the astrologer all > > about the natives past, everything, in the ears which only the > > astrologer can hear and when he blurts this in a trance like state > > smoothly and continously to the native, it looks really impressive. > > But these pisachinis cannot talk about future , since they do not > > have the power to do so, they are only allowed to see the past, > > and hence the past never comes out true. I will not talk more > > on this subject, because even the pisachinis have to be respected > for > > their present state and the good they do to such astrologers. > > > > But I warn the budding astrologers not to get siddhi of Mantras > with > > ownership of such entities, as the end of such astrologers is > really > > a terrible one, and not only the end, but thereafter these > > astrologers without their flesh body have to serve such masters > > for 1000- 2000 years till they are free from slavery . This is the > > price to pay for getting to know the past of natives ,from > > such entities. > > > > > > //therefore my approach is to use Nadi > > preidctions cautiously; not because I doubt Maha rishis; I cannot > > even dream of doubting them or their foresight or vision; but I > > strongly doubt the interpreters or readers.// > > > > Right, because today many (Not All)make use of Handmade wooden palm > > leaves,not from ancient origin, but made in modern present area , > > and they give few predictions correctly with the Prashna Lagna (In > > Mind) of the moment, which makes the person gone for reading, think > > that he has hit a jackpot, and when this person pays for future > > readings, nothing comes out right, because if that astrologer was > so > > smart, then he would not have needed to make fool of any person > with > > Palm leaves in hand. > > > > But like evry profession has crooks and we cannot put all the > > practioners in the same mould, in the same way, true Nadi readers > do > > exist in India, its on our luck and timings of our good destiny > > which if exists, then would get us to meet them. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "Satya Sai Kolachina" > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kishore and all members, > > > > > > Here are my views & experience on this subject. > > > > > > About 8 yrs ago I met a Nadi reader in Andhra Pradesh. He was a > > > Tamil-based reader, and he himself was translating into Telugu (a > > > peculiar accent of Telugu). > > > > > > He narrated my name, wife's name, parents' names etc. perfectly, > as > > > you were describing. However, for future predictions, whatever > > > predictions he gave me were kind of long range predictions, and I > > > still have to test them. Just one prediction came out true in > these > > > 8 yrs. We were longing for a male child and he said some remedial > > > measures (including somethings to be given to him). I did not > give > > > anything to him later; but we sincerely implemented all the > > remedial > > > measures he told us (excepting that 'giving something to him'). > So > > I > > > did not spend much money for the remedial measures. Rather I just > > > relied on more bhakthi or devotion to god with open mind. Last > year > > > we were blessed with a son. > > > > > > In addition to his Nadi astrologer, we met another Nadi > astrologer > > > also in 2000, who came to US on a visit. I felt this second Nadi > > > astrologer was more spiritual and got divine power compared to > the > > > first. He told me to do Amba upasana regularly because my > horoscope > > > directs the same and I would get all positive results. I started > > > doing so; and I got wonderful results including having a son. > > > > > > The difference in the two was, that the first nadi reader did not > > > ask my horoscope; whereas the second one used my horoscope as > > basis; > > > he also used some palm leaves that he has with him. The second > > > reader also gave a few more predictions to me and my wife; all > came > > > out correct (100% success). The first nadi reader gave my > planetary > > > positions from his leaves. All the planets were matching my > > > horoscope, except that the time of birth was advanced by about 30 > > > minutes by him. and he gave the lagna next lagna to what I have > in > > > my horoscope. Even if I advance my birth time by 30 minutes; I > will > > > not get the lagna he proposed, rather I should advance my birth > > time > > > by 1 hr instead to get to his proposed lagna. However the point > > that > > > strikingly matches is that the lagna he proposes is my Karakamsa > > > Lagna. According to rules of astrology, Karakamsa Lagna is also a > > > valid lagna for predictions. > > > > > > The first nadi reader looked to me more just like a reader, with > > > less of astrological basis. The second one (also used palm leaves > > in > > > addition to my horoscope), and went into a trans-like condition > and > > > predictions came out of his mouth, like a high-speed stream of > > water > > > flowing from a nozzle. WHatever he told me so far; came out 100% > > > correct. > > > > > > I therefore believe one thing clearly: There is some truth in the > > > Nadi leaves which is giving some information strikingly correct. > > But > > > at the same time I have to believe that there is so much fraud > > going > > > around the future predictions, as I do not see every Nadi > > astrologer > > > to be spiritually oriented; therefore my approach is to use Nadi > > > preidctions cautiously; not because I doubt Maha rishis; I cannot > > > even dream of doubting them or their foresight or vision; but I > > > strongly doubt the interpreters or readers. > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I am reposting portions of the earlier message, addressing all, > > > since > > > > this is a general query. > > > > > > > > I am wondering, if it is true that these Nadi leaves were > written > > > by > > > > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they > > might > > > > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have > been > > > > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with > the > > > > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be > > > instructive > > > > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast > > > horoscopes in > > > > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman > Ayanamsa, > > > GMT, > > > > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have > > been > > > > different from that being used today. > > > > > > > > Science fails to explain this Nadi astrology. Can "Divya > Drishti" > > > > (Divine Sight) of Maharshis be a possible explanation? If so > can > > > the > > > > horoscope given to me was through such divine sight? In that > case > > > we > > > > need to believe in the horoscope given by Nadi and assume that > > > > horoscope had been cast not through traditional calculations but > > > > through Divine Sight. The reason why future predictions are > > failing > > > > could be because of wrong interpretations of verses related to > > > future > > > > by the Nadi astrologer. Also I understand that there was a > > > translation > > > > from Sanskrit to an archaic form of Tamil. There could be > > > > typographical errors because of this translation also. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" <kishore_kv@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > > > > > > > Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: > > > > > Lagna: Cancer > > > > > Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not mention > > > exact time > > > > > of birth) > > > > > Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. > > > > > > > > > > One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, though > > > with Nadi > > > > > belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same > > > Horoscope > > > > > (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with > > > Mercury). > > > > > One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the leaf, > > > while > > > > > two others could easily identify the leaves. > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written by > > > > > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they > > > might > > > > > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have > > been > > > > > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up > with > > > the > > > > > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be > > > instructive > > > > > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast > > > horoscopes in > > > > > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman > > > Ayanamsa, GMT, > > > > > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might > have > > > been > > > > > different from that being used today. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth > > time > > > by > > > > a few > > > > > > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be > with > > > Sun > > > > but on > > > > > > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have > > > not > > > > > > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they > came > > > out > > > > with. > > > > > > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi > readers, > > > you must > > > > > > have realized that as you approach your birth time the > > details > > > of > > > > many > > > > > > factors begin matching some pages before the final page > that > > > would > > > > > > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the > > > questions > > > > > you > > > > > > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth > > > time and > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also the possibility that they are using a > panchanga > > > based > > > > > on a > > > > > > different parameter but I doubt that even that could make > > > Mercury > > > > > > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility > is > > > use > > > > of a > > > > > > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then > > Mercury > > > and > > > > > Venus > > > > > > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th > > bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different > > > systems > > > > > > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi > > > astrology. > > > > > > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's > > > name etc., > > > > > > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something > > > that is > > > > > > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of > them > > > > uniformly > > > > > > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is > > > conjunct > > > > > > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is > in > > > complete > > > > > > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as > > > manually > > > > > > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with > > > Mercury and > > > > > > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- --- > -- > > - > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release > > > Date: > > > > > 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 WONDERFUL AND ULTIMATE POST ON THIS ISSUE. The only way to attain spiritual development is to worship God in His Forms as Ganesh,Vishnu,Shiva, or Hanuman Baba., or as per our faith and system. Sir absolute Truth. May take a long time, but nevertheless only everlasting effect without any conditions in return. Bhaskar. , "Satya Sai Kolachina" <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > You are absolutely right and I also heard of this. That is also a > reason I said we have to be cautious with Nadi astrologers. > > The only way astrologers get spiritual strength is to worship one of > the forms of the deities like Vishnu, or Shiva, or Amba etc., or > Hanuman, Subrahmanya and so on and so forth, as per our choice and > faith system., These deities also give siddhis, which are true > siddhis; but it take a long long process; but the real attainment of > siddhi comes only through these deities. > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > In case of Pisachinis please read that the future never comes out > > true. > > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ssatya Sai, > > > > > > I wish to bring to notice of readers that there is a > Mantra "Karna > > > Pisachini " which one can attain siddhi of within 7 days, with > > siddhi > > > of this Mantra, the Pisachini comes and tells the astrologer all > > > about the natives past, everything, in the ears which only the > > > astrologer can hear and when he blurts this in a trance like > state > > > smoothly and continously to the native, it looks really > impressive. > > > But these pisachinis cannot talk about future , since they do not > > > have the power to do so, they are only allowed to see the past, > > > and hence the past never comes out true. I will not talk more > > > on this subject, because even the pisachinis have to be > respected > > for > > > their present state and the good they do to such astrologers. > > > > > > But I warn the budding astrologers not to get siddhi of Mantras > > with > > > ownership of such entities, as the end of such astrologers is > > really > > > a terrible one, and not only the end, but thereafter these > > > astrologers without their flesh body have to serve such masters > > > for 1000- 2000 years till they are free from slavery . This is > the > > > price to pay for getting to know the past of natives ,from > > > such entities. > > > > > > > > > //therefore my approach is to use Nadi > > > preidctions cautiously; not because I doubt Maha rishis; I cannot > > > even dream of doubting them or their foresight or vision; but I > > > strongly doubt the interpreters or readers.// > > > > > > Right, because today many (Not All)make use of Handmade wooden > palm > > > leaves,not from ancient origin, but made in modern present area , > > > and they give few predictions correctly with the Prashna Lagna > (In > > > Mind) of the moment, which makes the person gone for reading, > think > > > that he has hit a jackpot, and when this person pays for future > > > readings, nothing comes out right, because if that astrologer > was > > so > > > smart, then he would not have needed to make fool of any person > > with > > > Palm leaves in hand. > > > > > > But like evry profession has crooks and we cannot put all the > > > practioners in the same mould, in the same way, true Nadi > readers > > do > > > exist in India, its on our luck and timings of our good destiny > > > which if exists, then would get us to meet them. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , "Satya Sai Kolachina" > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kishore and all members, > > > > > > > > Here are my views & experience on this subject. > > > > > > > > About 8 yrs ago I met a Nadi reader in Andhra Pradesh. He was > a > > > > Tamil-based reader, and he himself was translating into Telugu > (a > > > > peculiar accent of Telugu). > > > > > > > > He narrated my name, wife's name, parents' names etc. > perfectly, > > as > > > > you were describing. However, for future predictions, whatever > > > > predictions he gave me were kind of long range predictions, > and I > > > > still have to test them. Just one prediction came out true in > > these > > > > 8 yrs. We were longing for a male child and he said some > remedial > > > > measures (including somethings to be given to him). I did not > > give > > > > anything to him later; but we sincerely implemented all the > > > remedial > > > > measures he told us (excepting that 'giving something to > him'). > > So > > > I > > > > did not spend much money for the remedial measures. Rather I > just > > > > relied on more bhakthi or devotion to god with open mind. Last > > year > > > > we were blessed with a son. > > > > > > > > In addition to his Nadi astrologer, we met another Nadi > > astrologer > > > > also in 2000, who came to US on a visit. I felt this second > Nadi > > > > astrologer was more spiritual and got divine power compared to > > the > > > > first. He told me to do Amba upasana regularly because my > > horoscope > > > > directs the same and I would get all positive results. I > started > > > > doing so; and I got wonderful results including having a son. > > > > > > > > The difference in the two was, that the first nadi reader did > not > > > > ask my horoscope; whereas the second one used my horoscope as > > > basis; > > > > he also used some palm leaves that he has with him. The second > > > > reader also gave a few more predictions to me and my wife; all > > came > > > > out correct (100% success). The first nadi reader gave my > > planetary > > > > positions from his leaves. All the planets were matching my > > > > horoscope, except that the time of birth was advanced by about > 30 > > > > minutes by him. and he gave the lagna next lagna to what I > have > > in > > > > my horoscope. Even if I advance my birth time by 30 minutes; I > > will > > > > not get the lagna he proposed, rather I should advance my > birth > > > time > > > > by 1 hr instead to get to his proposed lagna. However the > point > > > that > > > > strikingly matches is that the lagna he proposes is my > Karakamsa > > > > Lagna. According to rules of astrology, Karakamsa Lagna is > also a > > > > valid lagna for predictions. > > > > > > > > The first nadi reader looked to me more just like a reader, > with > > > > less of astrological basis. The second one (also used palm > leaves > > > in > > > > addition to my horoscope), and went into a trans-like > condition > > and > > > > predictions came out of his mouth, like a high-speed stream of > > > water > > > > flowing from a nozzle. WHatever he told me so far; came out > 100% > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > I therefore believe one thing clearly: There is some truth in > the > > > > Nadi leaves which is giving some information strikingly > correct. > > > But > > > > at the same time I have to believe that there is so much fraud > > > going > > > > around the future predictions, as I do not see every Nadi > > > astrologer > > > > to be spiritually oriented; therefore my approach is to use > Nadi > > > > preidctions cautiously; not because I doubt Maha rishis; I > cannot > > > > even dream of doubting them or their foresight or vision; but > I > > > > strongly doubt the interpreters or readers. > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > <kishore_kv@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > I am reposting portions of the earlier message, addressing > all, > > > > since > > > > > this is a general query. > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering, if it is true that these Nadi leaves were > > written > > > > by > > > > > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa > they > > > might > > > > > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have > > been > > > > > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up > with > > the > > > > > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be > > > > instructive > > > > > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast > > > > horoscopes in > > > > > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman > > Ayanamsa, > > > > GMT, > > > > > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might > have > > > been > > > > > different from that being used today. > > > > > > > > > > Science fails to explain this Nadi astrology. Can "Divya > > Drishti" > > > > > (Divine Sight) of Maharshis be a possible explanation? If so > > can > > > > the > > > > > horoscope given to me was through such divine sight? In that > > case > > > > we > > > > > need to believe in the horoscope given by Nadi and assume > that > > > > > horoscope had been cast not through traditional calculations > but > > > > > through Divine Sight. The reason why future predictions are > > > failing > > > > > could be because of wrong interpretations of verses related > to > > > > future > > > > > by the Nadi astrologer. Also I understand that there was a > > > > translation > > > > > from Sanskrit to an archaic form of Tamil. There could be > > > > > typographical errors because of this translation also. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kishore_kv" > <kishore_kv@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: > > > > > > Lagna: Cancer > > > > > > Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not > mention > > > > exact time > > > > > > of birth) > > > > > > Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. > > > > > > > > > > > > One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, > though > > > > with Nadi > > > > > > belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same > > > > Horoscope > > > > > > (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with > > > > Mercury). > > > > > > One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the > leaf, > > > > while > > > > > > two others could easily identify the leaves. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written > by > > > > > > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa > they > > > > might > > > > > > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might > have > > > been > > > > > > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up > > with > > > > the > > > > > > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be > > > > instructive > > > > > > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast > > > > horoscopes in > > > > > > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman > > > > Ayanamsa, GMT, > > > > > > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might > > have > > > > been > > > > > > different from that being used today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of > birth > > > time > > > > by > > > > > a few > > > > > > > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be > > with > > > > Sun > > > > > but on > > > > > > > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You > have > > > > not > > > > > > > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they > > came > > > > out > > > > > with. > > > > > > > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi > > readers, > > > > you must > > > > > > > have realized that as you approach your birth time the > > > details > > > > of > > > > > many > > > > > > > factors begin matching some pages before the final page > > that > > > > would > > > > > > > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of > the > > > > questions > > > > > > you > > > > > > > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different > birth > > > > time and > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also the possibility that they are using a > > panchanga > > > > based > > > > > > on a > > > > > > > different parameter but I doubt that even that could > make > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another > possibility > > is > > > > use > > > > > of a > > > > > > > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then > > > Mercury > > > > and > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th > > > bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of > different > > > > systems > > > > > > > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, > wife's > > > > name etc., > > > > > > > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is > something > > > > that is > > > > > > > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of > > them > > > > > uniformly > > > > > > > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun > is > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This > is > > in > > > > complete > > > > > > > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as > > > > manually > > > > > > > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with > > > > Mercury and > > > > > > > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- - > --- > > -- > > > - > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - > Release > > > > Date: > > > > > > 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Dear Kishore, In that case, It is possible that they might be using ancient Tamil panchanga which might be based on what is called as Vakyas (terse astronomical formulas) the same as mentioned in Prashna marga. Unless the Vakyas differ from the siddhanta, I do not understand how the planetary position could be such that Mercury and Venus exchange their position. Chandrashekhar. kishore_kv wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > Nadi astrologers gave these details correctly: > Lagna: Cancer > Date of birth: 30/31 Oct 1971 (however they did not mention exact time > of birth) > Nakshatra: Purvabhadrapada 4th pada. > > One important thing is that all the Nadi astrologers, though with Nadi > belonging to different Maharshis, came up with the same Horoscope > (having Sun conjunct with Venus and Jupiter conjunct with Mercury). > One of them had to ask lot of questions to pinpoint the leaf, while > two others could easily identify the leaves. > > I am wondering if it is true that these leaves are written by > Maharshis like Agasthya, Viswamitra etal., what ayanamsa they might > have been using and what panchanga/ephemeris they might have been > using.(I do not believe that ordinary mortals can come up with the > names and other details just from thumb print). It will be instructive > for me if someone could comment on how they used to cast horoscopes in > ancient India. They did not have Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman Ayanamsa, GMT, > timezones etc., to contend with and their panchanga might have been > different from that being used today. > > Thanks, > Kishore > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > Venus being in 0 degrees and odd minutes, change of birth time by a few > > minutes 00.08 instead of 00.30 could take Venus to be with Sun but on > > 31st October Mercury could not go to meet Jupiter. You have not > > indicated what lagna , date of birth and Nakshatra, they came out with. > > I think when you answered the questions of the nadi readers, you must > > have realized that as you approach your birth time the details of many > > factors begin matching some pages before the final page that would > > belong to you and if you give a wrong answer to any of the questions > you > > may be stuck with a page that is based on a different birth time and > date. > > > > There is also the possibility that they are using a panchanga based > on a > > different parameter but I doubt that even that could make Mercury > > change to Scorpio on 31st of October. Another possibility is use of a > > different ayanamsha (for example Usha-Shashi) but then Mercury and > Venus > > will both join Jupiter and Sun would be alone in the 4th bhava. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > kishore_kv wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I went to three different Nadi Astrologers of different systems > > > (Agasthya, Kausika etc) to check the veracity of Nadi astrology. > > > Amazingly all of them gave my name, parents' name, wife's name etc., > > > based on my thumb print alone. However there is something that is > > > puzzling me. In the birth rasi chart that they (all of them uniformly > > > agree on this) prepared according to Nadi leaves, Sun is conjunct > > > with Venus and Jupiter is conjunct with Mercury. This is in complete > > > opposition to what I get from all software as well as manually > > > casting the birth chart. These give Sun conjunct with Mercury and > > > Jupiter conjunct with Venus. > > > > > > Could you please solve this puzzle for me? > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > Oct 31 1971, 00:30 am, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh,India > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kishore > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release Date: > 2/21/2007 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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