Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 A long time ago, Moses got a recipe for a holy anointing oil: 6 kg of Myrrh, 3kg of Cinnamon, 3 kg of fragrant cane (kanabos, keneh bosm, variously translated as calamus or cannabis), this oil was used to anoint priests, and also Jesus, The Anointed One. The way god came to Moses was in a cloud. For the cloud of the LORD was upon the tabernacle by day, and fire was on it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel, throughout all their journeys. - Exodus 40.38" In Rig Veda they use soma, which probably is Amanita Muscaria. It seems that plants play a big role when it comes to reaching god, or the divine. Shamans have always used their plant-teacher, which is often Amanita Muscaria, Psilocybin mushroom, Ayahuasca, Salvia Divinorum. "We have drunk Soma and become immortal; we have attained the light, the Gods discovered. Rig Veda 8.48.3" In these days, most plant-teachers are now called illegal drugs, and Christians often call a Marijuana user a sinner, so if Jesus was anointed with the holy anointing oil, I guess they have to call him a sinner too. "1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 1 Timothy Chapter 4" "21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ (the anointed one)? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. ... 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1 John Chapter 2" So I believe Christians should start using the holy anointing oil, as it is written in the bible, and not judge people who use these sacraments. I believe many plants can open for spiritual experiences, and probably all religions have had their use of various substances to commune with god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Krsna devotees have their sacrements intact. Everything offered to Krsna with love and devotion becomes a sacrement. Flowers are offered then passed around for everyone to smell what Krsna smelled. Flower garlands are changed on the Deities at regular times and then worn by devotees. They offer heat and light to Krsna and receive the prasadam. They offer foodstuff and eat the remnants. And the greatest sacrament is the Holy name itself. The devotees that are immersed in the practice are literally constantly bathing in sacrements. As far as plants giving spiritual experiences I would agree that many plant compunds can open up our awareness to sublter realms of experience and can even help us walk in different dimentions but those subtle worlds are still within the material matrix. And why did you choose cannabis over calamus in your translation. Calamus has been an herb used by yogis for thousands of years. They claim it purifys the subtle nervous system (nadis) and is a great aid to meditation. That would be more fitting for an annointing oil than cannabis which is rather crude in comparison and comes with a big dose of lethargy and confusion which are hardly spiritual in themselves. Above all Bhakti or love and devotion to the Lord is the greatest of all sacraments and which flows from our innermost being so is always accessable and is also unlimited and eternal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brajeshwara das Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Above all Bhakti or love and devotion to the Lord is the greatest of all sacraments and which flows from our innermost being so is always accessable and is also unlimited and eternal. Jai! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Devarsi Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Krsna devotees have their sacrements intact. Everything offered to Krsna with love and devotion becomes a sacrement. Flowers are offered then passed around for everyone to smell what Krsna smelled. Flower garlands are changed on the Deities at regular times and then worn by devotees. They offer heat and light to Krsna and receive the prasadam. They offer foodstuff and eat the remnants. And the greatest sacrament is the Holy name itself. The devotees that are immersed in the practice are literally constantly bathing in sacrements. As far as plants giving spiritual experiences I would agree that many plant compunds can open up our awareness to sublter realms of experience and can even help us walk in different dimentions but those subtle worlds are still within the material matrix. And why did you choose cannabis over calamus in your translation. Calamus has been an herb used by yogis for thousands of years. They claim it purifys the subtle nervous system (nadis) and is a great aid to meditation. That would be more fitting for an annointing oil than cannabis which is rather crude in comparison and comes with a big dose of lethargy and confusion which are hardly spiritual in themselves. Above all Bhakti or love and devotion to the Lord is the greatest of all sacraments and which flows from our innermost being so is always accessable and is also unlimited and eternal. Ayurvedic doctrine considers Calamus root to be a remedy for the toxic effects of Cannabis Sativa (sometimes known as Ganja or marijhuana) upon the brain and the liver. Scientific evidence has shown that it reduces or eliminates entirely the soporific effects of Ganja, and experienced users report all side effects of Ganja mitigated or removed entirely by use of fresh calamus. Ayurveda cautions that only emotionaly HEALTHY and Mature individuals should utilize Cannabis for its long list of rejuvenative, supportive, and curative effects, and always with its detoxifier, Calamus root, lest malaise and confusion result. Distilled in oil, ghee preferably, is the cleanest and most appropriate form of usage of Cannabis Sativa for general healing purposes. Smoking is not advised unless one has the strength of mind of a Raja or better. Hare Krsna http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Plants/Acorus/calamus.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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