Atama is True?

[astrobhadauria]

Respected Gurus,

Atama,parmatama,many time I read in many puranas,and maney books of religion,If Atama is same of all living world,then why we kills to creatures,animals,for food,why we take non-veg.and if Atama is Parmatama,then Lion have and Goat have Atama,Then why Parmatama kills to Parmatama,If Parmatama kills to Parmatama,then why this nature is playing a game to born and die,Panchabhoot are must for the life,and all are presented after death,then why body not make work,If heart is a governer of body,and if Atama live in heart,then which karak make crual to Atama,I am real puzzeled by hearing Atama..Atama....kindly suggest a way to satishfection,but not in hard english.

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Namaskar Bhaduriaji

 

 

 

Atama,parmatama,many time I read in many puranas,and maney books of religion,If Atama is same of all living world,

 

Atma is not the same, rather each jiva has atma which is similar in nature. In other words, there are as many atma as there are jivas which are infinitesimal in size and are similar in nature (an analogy given for paramatma-atma relation is bimba-pratibimba).

 

 

then why we kills to creatures,animals,for food,why we take non-veg.

 

As per Vedic shastras, this is forbidden. However the main reason this is forbidden is not because animals have atma (since one can argue that plants also have atma) rather because it is not allowed as nevedya/bhog to the Deity. Sri Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita 3.13:

 

yaj~na-shiShTAshinaaH santo

mucyante sarva-kilbiShaiaH

bhu~njate te tv aghaM pApA

ye pacanty Atma-kAraNAt

 

yaj~na-shiShTa—food taken after performance of yaj~na; ashinaaH—eaters; santaaH—the devotees; mucyante—get relief from; sarva—all kinds of; kilbiShaiaH—sins; bhu~njate—enjoy; te—they; tu—but; agham—grievous sins; pApAaH—sinners; ye—those; pacanti—prepare food; Atma-kAraNAt—for sense enjoyment

 

i.e. all food should be prepared as sacrifice to God.

 

 

 

if Atama is Parmatama,then Lion have and Goat have Atama,Then why Parmatama kills to Parmatama

 

No Atma is not Paramatma -- there are innumerable pramanas for this. However, in shastra we find that atma primarily refers to Brahman/Paramatma, and at other times to jiva so there is scope for confusion.

 

 

 

if Atama live in heart,then which karak make crual to Atama

 

The anAdi desire of baddha atmas to be independent of Paramatma (when they are actually completely and eternally dependent on Paramatma) leads to being placed in this jagat. So their anAdi karma binds them to this world, and realization of eternal dependence on Paramatma and sharanagati is the only way out (see Bhagavad-Gita 18.56-66 in this context).

[astrobhadauria]

Param Dayaaloo,Guruvarjan,

Padhane yaa sunane se Jeevankaa roop samajh mai nahee aataa hai.Yeh kaisaa hai,iskaa bhed usko dekhane ke baad hee maalum hotaa hai.Isliye Jaan lenaa yaa samajh lenaa hee gyaan kahaa jaataa hai.Aur esaa gyaan hee Moksha dhaam tak pahunchaataa hai.Kaaran aur mahaa kaaran sristi mai itane bhed hai ki kahane aur sunane aur likhane ke baad bhee gupta bhedo kaa pataa nahee chalataa hai.Jab koi vastu aankho ke saamane aa jaaye tab tak aatamaa moksha aur paramdhaam kee adhikaaree nahee hotee hai.Kyoki Satya hee Shiv hai,aur Shiv hee sundar hai.Isa Sansaar mai Gyaan Yog ke dwaaraa,Jeev pahale is leelaa kaa anubhav karataa hai,phir aanadmay hotaa huaa,nijdhaam ko chalaa jaataa hai.Yahee Jeevan mukti kee kahaanee hai.iske liye Goswami Tulsee daasjee ne Ramcharit maanas mai kahaa ki-"Dharam se Vratti,Vratti se Gyaanaa/Gyaan mokshprada Ved Bakhaanaa//" Aur isee baat ko Bhagwad Geetaa mai Shri Krishan Bhagwaan ne kahaa hai-"Janam Karam Cha Me Divyamevam Yo Vetti Tatwaha/Tyakavaa Deham Naiti Mameti Soarjunha//"Yahee Gatee hai,isliye kahaa jaataa hai,kee gyaan se mukti milatee hai,Ye hee Satya hai,isliye sudar bhee hai.Vaastvik gyaan hone ke saath,anubhav bhee honaa chahiye,kyoki yehee mukti mai saath detaa hai.

Yahaan par jaan lene kee yahee kriyaa hai kee Atamaa se jo kiran nikalatee hai,vaha pahale manomaya hokar,praanmay,aur anaamay kosh ko chalee jaatee hai,Jahaan jahaan par yeh kiran jaatee hai,vahaan vahaan par prakaash detee jaatee hai,vo hee prakaash jeev ko gatee detaa hai,ishee kee gatee jab mana se lagatee hai to Indriyaan gatisheel ho jaatee hai.Isake baad mana apane saath buddhi ko le jaane kee kosis karataa hai,aur buddhi mai bhram paidaa ho jaataa hai,isee bhram ke kaaran buddhi theek se kaam nahee karatee hai,saath hee theek se samajh bhee nahee paatee hai,aur apanaa nirnay bhee nahee de sakatee hai,aapne jo Atamaa aur Parmaatama ko Bimb ke anusaar bataayaa,mere samajh mai theek se nahee aayaa,gurudevji,agar mere se galatee ho gai ho to kshamaa kare,Jab tak mana ka pravaah jaaree rahataa hai,Tab tak buddhi uske vas mai rahatee hai,iske kaaran se buddhi kee shaktee kam ho jaatee hai,aur buddhi bhee apanaa kaam theek se nahee karatee hai,Aap jaisaa gyaan maargee mana aur indriyon ko sthir kar letaa hai,mana ke nischal hone par buddhi bhee nischal ho jaatee hai,mana aur buddhi ke nischal hone par shareer bhee nischal ho jaataa hai,shaant ho jaataa hai,hridaya mai aur mastik mai shaanti aa jaatee hai.

Geetaa mai maine padhaa hai ki Praniyo! agar sankato ko samaapt karane kee ikshaa ho,is dukhamay aavaagaman ke chakra ko samaapt karane kee laalasaa ho,yadi apane nijdhaam mai pahunch kar sukha va shaanti kaa madhur rasapaan karanaa ho,to meree sharan pakado,meree aagyaayo kaa paalan karo,aur hridaya se saaree vaasanaao ko door kar use swaksha va sundar banaalo.Phir mai tumhen uthaa loongaa,aur apanee god mai sulaa loongaa.Tumhaaraa jeevan krit krit ho jaayegaa,iske alaawaa aur koi upaay moksha kaa nahee hai.Sansaar ke jitane bhee gyaan hai,unsabakaa yahee Saar hai,yahee Geetaa kaa Saar hai,yahee jeevan kaa mukhya dharam hai,Yahee Veda hai aur yahee Upanishad kaa gyaan hai.

Gurujee mai samajhataa hun ki sansaar mai jitanee aakarshit karane waalee vastuyen hai,unmai paramatamaa kaa hee roop hai,uname ushee kaa ansa hai,uskee hee sundartaa se ve sundar banee hai,Aaj sansaar mai bhddhimaan wo hee vyaktee hai jo paramaatamaa kee talaash mai ghoom rahaa hai,usko lagaataar sahaj samaadhi ke dwaaraa agar dekh liyaa jaave to usko dekhate hee,buddhi thak kar baith jaatee hai,aur soonya samadhi ke baad jab unkaa saakchhatkaar hotaa hai,to mujhee gyaan nahee rahataa hi kee mai kahaan hoon.Jo saamane hai vo lok hai yaa parlok,jo prakaash aur chitra vichitra cheege hai,jinko maine kabhee dekhaa nahee sunaa nahee,vo sab kyaa hai,aur jab main vaapas duniyaa ko dekhataa hoon to phir us ko dekhane ke liye paagal saa ho jaataa hun,isliye hee maine aataamaa kaa roop dekhanaa chaahaa thaa magar aapne meree shankaa kaa samaadhan nahee kiyaa,mai chaahataa hoon ki koi gurujan agar iske baad kaa haal bataa de to meree muktee ho jaave.

Maine aasan lagaane kee kosis kee nahee lagaa payaa,patanjali yog pradeep kee mudraao mai kaafee samay nasta kiyaa,ek jagah Guru banaane ke baad aankho ko oopar chadhaane kee kriyaa ke magar safal nahee huaa,aur jab safal huaa to maatra ek chhan me ho gayaa,bhagwaan ke saamane unko dekha kar unke roop ko mana mai vasaane ke baad,mai ekdam bhool gayaa ki mai kahaan hoon,kabhee laxmee jee ke saath bahut hee neele rang ke paanee mai bahut hee bade saanp ke oopar bhagwaan vishnu ko dekhataa hoon,bahut hee gilgilaa saa malum hotaa hai,baar baar bhagwaan ke paas jaane kee kosis karataa hoon,magar saanp ke shareer mai phisalan hone ke kaaran oopar nahee chadha paataa hoon,phir jaane kahaan kahaan bhatakane lagataa hoon.

Akshmaat ek aawaaj aatee hai,chal bhaag,abhee vaapas jaa,phir aanaa,doosare dina phir jaane kee raah pakadane kee kosis karataa hoon,koi peele rang ke kapade pahin kar,soorya ke samaan chamakataa huaa roop lekar aataa hai aur kahataa hai kee,Gaayatri kee sahee saadhanaa kar,Gaayatri kee battish seedhiyaa paar kar too abhee chaubees ko hee paar kar paayaa hai,main unko poonchhataa hun gaayatree to chaubees akchhar kee hee hai,battish kahaan se milenge,vo halake se muskaraate hai,"Shive Rajase Shivaatum" milaa do,unke itanaa kahane ke baad baapas aankh khul jaatee hai,kitane hee logo se poonchha hai is vaakya ko kidhar milaau,Gaayatree kee Aaage to "Aum" lagaa hai,peechhe kyaa lagayaa jaa sakataa hai,mai dhyaan nahee kar paa rahaa hoon,is site kaa naam ek sajjan ne bataa yaa thaa,kee bahut hee mahaan log sansaar ke judate hai,Gurujano se charan pakad kar prarthanaa hai ki hame naadaan samajh kar kewal itanaa hee bhed bataa de.Parnaam.