Is it proper to think of the majority of mankind as demoniac???

[krsna]

I’m wondering how individual free will factors into the verses and purports describing the species of demoniac life.

Specifically BG 16.19 -20.Srila Prabhupada’s purport states:

 

“In this verse it is clearly indicated that the placing of a particular individual soul in a particular body is the prerogative of the supreme will.”

“As for the demoniac, it is clearly said here that they are perpetually put into the wombs of demons, and thus they continue to be envious, the lowest of mankind.”

 

These statements seems to indicate that the individual (in human form by indication of the word mankind), at some point, loses his free will to serve Krsna. The verses and subsequent purports of BG 16 also would seem to apply to most of society. Is it proper to think of the majority of mankind as demoniac?

[krsna]

TRANSLATION The Personality of Godhead said: Under the supervision of the Supreme Lord and according to the result of his work, the living entity, the soul, is made to enter into the womb of a woman through the particle of male semen to assume a particular type of body.

 

PURPORT As stated in the last chapter, after suffering different kinds of hellish conditions, a man comes again to the human form of body. The same topic is continued in this chapter. In order to give a particular type of human form to a person who has already suffered hellish life, the soul is transferred to the semen of a man who is just suitable to become his father. During sexual intercourse, the soul is transferred through the semen of the father into the mother’s womb in order to produce a particular type of body. This process is applicable to all embodied living entities, but it is especially mentioned for the man who was transferred to the Andha-tamisra hell. After suffering there, when he who has had many types of hellish bodies, like those of dogs and hogs, is to come again to the human form, he is given the chance to take his birth in the same type of body from which he degraded himself to hell.

Everything is done by the supervision of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Material nature supplies the body, but it does so under the direction of the Supersoul. It is said in Bhagavad-gita that a living entity is wandering in this material world on a chariot made by material nature. The Supreme Lord, as Supersoul, is always present with the individual soul. He directs material nature to supply a particular type of body to the individual soul according to the result of his work, and the material nature supplies it.

 

 

Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana comments:

 

Arjuna may ask, “But, after many lifetimes, they should eventually receive Your mercy, by which they will be freed from their demoniac births.” Lord Krsna answers: “These foolish persons take birth in demoniac forms of life birth after birth. Failing to achieve Me, they descend to lower forms of life, even taking birth as dogs.” In the phrase “failing to achieve Me,” the word eva, “certainly,” indicates: “There is no possibility of My mercy falling upon them. It is even difficult for them to achieve a good form of life that would be a prerequisite to obtaining Me.” The following question can then be raised: “But the Supreme Lord automatically has His every desire fulfilled. He can make even the unqualified qualified.” The answer is: “Yes, He could, if He had such a desire. But actually He does not have even the seed of that desire. Thus the author of the Vedanta-sutra has described the Lord’s partiality in the sutra, vaisamya-nairghnyena: the Supreme seems to be unfair because of His partiality to some and His enmity toward others.”

 

Srila Prabhupada in his purport to text 20:

 

“It is clearly stated that the demoniac people, life after life, are put into the wombs of similar demons, and, not achieving the mercy of the Supreme Lord, they go down and down, so that at last they achieve bodies like those of cats, dogs and hogs. It is clearly stated that such demons have practically no chance of receiving the mercy of God at any stage of later life.”

 

According to Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana, Arjuna now asks Krsna: “People hearing this are going to want to give up these qualities. What can they do to accomplish this?”

 

SB 3.30.34 : TRANSLATION

Having gone through all the miserable, hellish conditions and having passed in a regular order through the lowest forms of animal life prior to human birth, and having thus been purged of his sins, one is reborn again as a human being on this earth.

PURPORT

Just as a prisoner, who has undergone troublesome prison life, is set free again, the person who has always engaged in impious and mischievous activities is put into hellish conditions, and when he has undergone different hellish lives, namely those of lower animals like cats, dogs and hogs, by the gradual process of evolution he again comes back as a human being.

As long as one has rebellious and envious mentality one will only get more and more bound. Freedom in this world is very restricted. Any conditional rule will only chain us more and more. But when rebellious mentality is completely gone, one’s freedom is practically unlimited as demonstrated by

Narada Muni.

 

SB 1.6.37

Suta Gosvami said: Thus addressing Vyasadeva, Srila Narada Muni took leave of him, and vibrating on his vina instrument, he left to wander at his free will.

PURPORT

Every living being is anxious for full freedom because that is his transcendental nature. And this freedom is obtained only through the transcendental service of the Lord. Illusioned by the external energy, everyone thinks that he is free, but actually he is bound up by the laws of nature. A conditioned soul cannot freely move from one place to another even on this earth, and what to speak of one planet to another. But a full-fledged free soul like Narada, always engaged in chanting the Lord’s glory, is free to move not only on earth but also in any part of the universe, as well as in any part of the spiritual sky. We can just imagine the extent and unlimitedness of his freedom, which is as good as that of the Supreme Lord. There is no reason or obligation for his traveling, and no one can stop him from his free movement. Similarly, the transcendental system of devotional service is also free. It may or may not develop in a particular person even after he undergoes all the detailed formulas. Similarly, the association of the devotee is also free. One may be fortunate to have it, or one may not have it even after thousands of endeavors. Therefore, in all spheres of devotional service, freedom is the main pivot. Without freedom there is no execution of devotional service. The freedom surrendered to the Lord does not mean that the devotee becomes dependent in every respect. To surrender unto the Lord through the transparent medium of the spiritual master is to attain complete freedom of life.

[theist]

 

Is it proper to think of the majority of mankind as demoniac???

 

Presently that is indeed the situation. We should not neglect to add ourselves to that list if appropriate. Myself I am nothing but a demon with some small desire to change.

 

The best way to view all other living beings, including humankind, is to see everyone as equal souls and leave behind the conceptions of demon and angel, friend and foe.

[Guest guest]

 

Presently that is indeed the situation. We should not neglect to add ourselves to that list if appropriate. Myself I am nothing but a demon with some small desire to change.

 

The best way to view all other living beings, including humankind, is to see everyone as equal souls and leave behind the conceptions of demon and angel, friend and foe.

Yes this is true. Why go into that?

In fact people are not demoniac! Their actions are. Aren't people conditioned souls? And souls are a sparkle of God. So in BG Krsna says the Brahmin sees the same soul in all living beings. Why demoniac? The tendencies can be demoniac. And they should be trained and influenced by better spiritual qualities.