St. Thomas, Gnostics and New Age Christianity

krsna · May 17, 2007

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BY: PRADEEP SHARMA

May 16, USA (SUN) —

A new way of thinking among the followers of Jesus appears to us today by the name New Age Christianity. What exactly this new type of Christianity is has not yet been fully defined and whether or not it will gain recognition in the broader field of Christianity remains to be seen via the test of time.

But what is clearly known about New Age Christianity is that its adherents accept as gospel and draw light from what is generally known as Gnostic literature. For the most part it is the Gospel of Thomas, found among the Gnostic literature at Nag Hammadi, that seems most important to many New Age Christians.

In 1945 a simple shepherd, Muhammad Ali [not to be confused with Cassius Clay] discovered twelve leather-bound papyrus codices containing fifty-two treatises hidden in a cave in the region of Egypt known as Nag Hammadi. Thus the cache of ancient literature became known as the Nag Hammadi Texts and has been dated as having been written in and around the 3rd century CE, after the rise of Pauline Christianity among the Gentiles. How the scrolls got there nobody is actually sure but they remained hidden in the desert for almost 2000 years.

The Nag Hammadi texts were written in Coptic although many scholars think that they were originally translated from earlier Greek writings. The texts include the following:

01. The Prayer of the Apostle Paul

02. The Apocryphon of James)

03. The Gospel of Truth

04. The Treatise on the Resurrection

05. The Tripartite Tractate

06. The Apocryphon of John

07. The Gospel of Thomas [a sayings gospel]

08. The Gospel of Philip [a sayings gospel]

09. The Hypostasis of the Archons

10. On the Origin of the World

11. The Exegesis on the Soul

12. The Acts of Thomas

13. The Apocryphon of John

14. The Gospel of the Egyptians

15. Eugnostos the Blessed

16. The Sophia of Jesus Christ

17. The Dialogue of the Saviour

18. The Apocryphon of John

19. The Gospel of the Egyptians

20. Eugnostos the Blessed

21. The Apocalypse of Paul

22. The First Apocalypse of James

23. The Second Apocalypse of James

24. The Apocalypse of Adam

25. The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles

26. The Thunder, Perfect Mind

27. Authoritative Teaching

28. The Concept of Our Great Power

29. Republic by Plato

30-31. The Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth [a Hermetic treatise]

32. The Prayer of Thanksgiving [a Hermetic prayer]

33. Asclepius 21-29 [a Hermetic treatise]

34. The Paraphrase of Shem

35. The Second Treatise of the Great Seth

36. The Apocalypse of Peter

37. The Teachings of Silvanus

38. The Three Steles of Seth

39. Zostrianos

40. The Letter of Peter to Philip

41. Melchizedek

42. The Thought of Norea

43. The Testimony of Truth

44. Marsanes

45. The Interpretation of Knowledge

46. Valentinian Expo On the Anointing, Baptism & the Eucharist

47. Allogenes

48. Hypsiphrone

49. The Sentences of Sextus

50. The Gospel of Truth

51. Trimorphic Protennoia

52. On the Origin of the World

When the Nag Hammadi texts were first discovered expectations amongst scholars ran high that these ancient texts would shed light on a simpler and purer form of Christianity than that of a post Council of Nicea. Hopes among Christians also ran high of authenticating the historical Jesus as well. But soon after the work of translating began all those expectations ran cold. What soon became clear is that the early days of Christianity were more disunited than at any other time in history. Everyone literally had a different opinion and interpretation of Jesus and no one had any historical proof of his existence.

Other ancient texts to be discovered in the near east over the years that have also been classified as Gnostic literature are as follows:

01. Gospel of Judas

02. Acts of Pilate

03. Secret Gospel of Mark

04. Gospel of the Hebrews

05. The Gospel of the Nazarenes

06. The Gospel of the Ebionites

07. Life of John the Baptist

08. History of Joseph the Carpenter

09. Arabic Infancy Gospel

10. Gospel of Peter

11. The Gospel of Bartholomew

12. The Questions of Bartholomew

13. The Resurrection of Jesus Christ

Over all one can reference sixty-five ancient texts considered Gnostic. As far as the age of these texts is concerned there isn’t much controversy but as for their content there is much objection and debate with mainstream Christianity.

The Gnostic texts tell us a lot about what the Gnostics’ thought about man and God, of Jesus and his suffering, of martyrdom, baptism, resurrection, etc. Almost none of which aligns with contemporary Christian views or faith.

It is important to note that the term ‘gnostic’ was used by Greeks to denote a person who cultivated ‘mystic knowledge’ and that there was never a specific group of people that called themselves Gnostics. Not all Gnostics in the ancient world were Christian [such as Simon Magus] and certainly it is agreed by scholars that the Gnostic tradition 2000 years ago was heavily influenced by Hindu-Buddhist thought.

In the ancient Mediterranean world Gnosticism is known to have held great sway over the Graeco-Roman civilizations. It is also clear to scholars from the study of Gnostic literature and history that Hindu-Buddhist influences had become widely popular at that time and no clearer example of this can be found than that of Mani [the founder of Manichaeism] who preached Christianity with a rich blend of Buddhism in Judea and western Persia around 250 CE. Mani traveled to India and resided for some time in the lands of the Kushans. Kushans were predominately Buddhists and their capitol city was at Mathura near present day Vrindavan. When he returned to the west he called himself Mani Buddas and established a brand of Christianity and Buddhism mixed.

In the 3rd century, the Syrian writer and Christian Gnostic theologian Bar Daisan described his exchanges with the religious missions of holy men [sramanas] from India, passing through Syria on their way to meet Emperor Elagabalus of Rome. This was also recorded by Porphyry and Stobaeus.

Also in the writings of Strabo [approximately 10 CE] based upon the accounts of Megasthenes [325 BCE] there are detailed descriptions of the Indian Brahmins and Sramanas. And in the writings of Plutarch a Roman historian of the 1st century CE who wrote of Alexander the Great’s encounters in India we find specific mention of Indian holy men that the Greeks called Gymnosophists [naked philosophers]. These references to western civilization coming in contact with eastern spirituality and philosophy were being made long before Christianity took hold in the western world.

Even during the period wherein Jesus is supposed to have lived there was much exchange between the people of the Graeco-Roman world and India. This may seem impossible for someone who has a Eurocentric worldview but according to historical facts there has been trade and communications between parts of Europe, the near-east and India since several centuries BCE. The distance between the Graeco-Roman world and India is, in the minds of most people, a dark vast abyss that no traveler could ever survive! But in reality the distance a traveler need to go from Jerusalem to reach India [Dwaraka] is only 2170 miles [less than the distance of coast to coast in the United States]. The journey was easily begun by first traveling via caravan from Jerusalem to the Arabian Sea [Kuwait]. Then along the shore of the Arabian Sea by boat to Oman. From Oman the traveler had but to catch one of the many merchant ships that regularly sailed for India [Dwaraka], a final distance of only 550 miles. From Greece the journey was only an additional 700 miles or from Rome an additional 1350 miles. One should remember that central Europe is only four and one half time zones away from India - Europe and India share the same rays of the Sun every day.

Apollonius of Tyana is a classic example of someone who could easily have made this journey. Apollonius was a contemporary of Jesus who was renowned and has been historically recorded as a wandering ascetic, philosopher and performer of miracles such as raising the dead, etc. Apollonius was widely respected in his time and his teachings were followed by many people for several centuries after his death. Some time around 28 CE Apollonius traveled to India stopping along the way to learn the wisdom of the Persian magi and then to India to learn from the Indian Gymnosophists. One can easily verify all these facts stated here with just a little research.

From the 3rd century to the 12th century, Gnostic religions such as Manichaeism, which combined Christian, Hebrew and Buddhist influences, spread throughout the old world, as far as Gaul [France] and Great Britain. Some leading Christian theologians such as Augustine of Hippo were also Manichaeans before converting to orthodox Christianity.

Such exchanges between eastern and western spirituality, many of which may have gone unrecorded, suggest that Buddhism and Indian philosophy certainly had some influence on early Christianity: To quote Bentley the author of "Old World Encounters" who wrote, "Scholars have often considered the possibility that Buddhism influenced the early development of Christianity. They have drawn attention to many parallels concerning the births, lives, doctrines, and deaths of the Buddha and Jesus"

Records from India also show that Buddhist monks journeyed from India to the Hellenistic world to spread the good news of Buddhism. In the edicts of Emperor Ashok there is special mention of his having sent Buddhist monks circa 250 BCE to Ptolemy II in Egypt, Antiochus II in Syria, Antigonus Gonatas in Macedonia [Greece], King Magas of Cyrene [Libya], and Alexander II of Epirus [the Balkans].

The fact is that these journeys to and fro [the Graeco-Roman world and India] was anything but unheard of in the ancient world. Rome is known to have traded with numerous ports in India and scholars and men of learning often traveled to places like Taxilia [modern day Pakistan] to study philosophy, astrology, alchemy and other ancient sciences. All this was in full swing for centuries before, during and after the life of Jesus.

In the Gnostic text, the Acts of Thomas [not to be confused with the Gospel of Thomas], it is said that Thomas also went to India. Unfortunately after a relatively short time Thomas was slain by the kings men. The account of Thomas in India is in detail but reading those passages in the Acts of Thomas it becomes clear that Thomas was not actually in India at all. All the names mentioned of places and kings in India have Persian names and it is therefore most likely that Thomas had gone to Persia. Even the manner in which people dined in the Acts of Thomas is customary to Persians and not Indians.

But how could such mistakes be there in the Acts of Thomas for surely Thomas knew where he had gone, whom he had met and with whom he had dined? That would seem logical but the fact is that just like all the other gospels the Acts of Thomas was not written by Thomas or even based on the memoirs of Thomas.

It turns out the Acts of Thomas was written at least 100 years after the death of Thomas by the Gnostic Bardesanes of Edessa [Turkey]. It is thought by scholars that Bardesanes wrote the Acts of Thomas to specifically promote the doctrine that a Christian must be chaste even during marriage.

According to a recent article “Looking for Jesus” by George A. Smith, the Gospel of Thomas [not to be confused with the Acts of Thomas] gives us something special. Mostly the Gospel of Thomas contains the sayings of Jesus to the apostle Thomas. Smith points to the essence of guru-tattva [according to Vaishnava- siddhanta] in the 108th verse of the gospel and indicates this to be of interest to practicing Gaudiya Vaishnavas [Hare Krishna devotees]. This may also demonstrate that early Christians were on par with what we know of Vaishnavism today and that the Gnostic Christians were the true followers of Jesus, a pure devotee of Krishna.

Of course the biggest problem is that nowhere in the Gnostic texts is Krishna mentioned. In fact nowhere in the Gnostic texts are the qualities and characteristics of God mentioned in anything more than in a cryptic way. At best the Gnostic texts might show that they were on to something good, but what that ‘something’ really was they had no clear idea.

Some people and even devotees sometimes make a very convincing case for the authenticity and purity of Gnostic Christianity but one might ask what else do the Gnostic texts say about Jesus and God to make us think that they are actually talking about Krishna and Vaishnavism?

It is here that the journey gets worse. We find so many disoriented and strange narrations about Jesus and God in the Gnostic texts that the word ‘hodge-podge’ comes to mind.

By hodge-podge I mean that by the time one has gone through the Gnostic texts Jesus becomes just about anything and anyone that you want him to be. Anyone that is except God or a historical personality.

Take for example the Gospel of Philip wherein it says that Mary was the favorite disciple of Jesus, so much so that he used to kiss her on the mouth even in public. The Gospel of Philip further says that eventually Jesus and Mary settled down, got married and had children and that after the death of Jesus, Mary took over the ministry of Christ.

If you saw the film “The DaVinci Code” then you will recall some of what I have mentioned above. The scriptwriter for the film certainly adlibbed when necessary but he had his details correct about Jesus and Mary at least according to the Gospel of Philip.

But then there are other Gospels such as The Secret Gospel of Mark wherein a completely different Jesus emerges from the closet. According to a Harvard publication “Clement of Alexandria and the Secret Gospel of Mark” Professor Morton Smith of Columbia University discovered in a monastery near Jerusalem a letter that contained a fragment of the Secret Gospel of Mark. The missing fragment had not been lost. On the contrary, it had been deliberately suppressed - at the instigation, if not the express behest, of Bishop Clement of Alexandria [mid-second century CE], one of the most venerated of the early church fathers. The fragment portrayed Jesus and Lazarus spending several days and nights together in a state of utter nakedness. The Bishop had received a complaint that this episode in the Gospel was enabling some heretic sects to indulge in immoral practices [homosexuality]. Professor Smith published the fragment with the historical background and opined that, “The whole episode refers to a typical mystery initiation.”

So yes, it has been suggested that Jesus was gay. Shocking? I think not, because that was a common practice among men in the Graeco-Roman world. For Bishop Clement, he may have been outraged but for the Gnostic society such behavior of Jesus may have posed no such problem. Even the Anglican Bishop of Birmingham, Hugh Montefiore went on record to say in 1967 that because Jesus had remained unmarried, an unusual occurrence for a Jew of his age and time, he might have been homosexually inclined, “an explanation we must not ignore.”

But then the question arises, is what the Secret Gospel of Mark says actually true? Like Bishop Clement many of our readers might struggle with the idea of a gay Jesus even if it were just a “typical mystery initiation.” Is what the Gospel of Thomas says actually true, or is it all true and not true at the same time? This certainly begins to look like a grab bag of conceptions.

On the matter of God and creation the Gnostics say that an evil demoniac being created this material world and that human souls are being held prisoner here. The divine being [God] is a state of being called Pleroma and can be reached through mystic knowledge.

Gnosticism holds that the world is controlled by Archons, servants of the evil God, Yaltaboath. Some versions of Gnosticism claim that this Yaltaboath is the God of the Old Testament. The heavenly Pleroma is the totality of all that is regarded in our understanding of "divine". The Pleroma is often referred to as the light existing "above" our world, occupied by spiritual beings who self-emanated from the Pleroma. These beings are described as Aeons (eternal beings) and sometimes as Archons. Jesus is interpreted as an intermediary Aeon who was sent, along with his counterpart Sophia [knowledge], from the Pleroma, with whose aid humanity can recover the lost knowledge of the divine origins of humanity and in so doing be brought back into unity with the Pleroma.

For anyone versed in Vedic knowledge this begins to sound like Mayavad philosophy and not Vaishnavism. Trying to get real knowledge from the Gnostic texts about the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna is like trying to get milk from the fleshy nipples on the neck of a goat. And even if something is to be found there that may vaguely resemble milk the Vaishnavas are not interested because Vaishnavas don’t drink goat’s milk. Maybe Mayavadis do or Buddhists but not Vaishnavas. Real knowledge must lead ultimately to rasa, no trace of which is found in Gnostic or mainstream Christianity.

The study of Christianity tells us that one man [Jesus] with a set of simple moral principles holds western nations in awe. But amongst the sadhus [saints] of India it is questionable that Jesus would even stand up by comparison to someone like Mahatma Gandhi who was actually just a politician and not a real sadhu.

By contrast the saintly persons that have appeared in India over the ages who have exhibited the qualities of Jesus and more actually number in the tens of thousands. By comparison Jesus taught nothing that had not been taught before and he wrote nothing. But personalities like, Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya, Rupa Goswami, Sanatana Goswami, Jiva Goswami, Viswanatha Chakravarti, Bhaktivinode Thakur and a host of others not only led perfect saintly lives teaching what no others had taught before them but they also left us so much literature on the science of Krishna consciousness that one will be hard pressed to read it all even in several lifetimes what to speak of one lifetime. Compared to volumes of pure Vaishnava literature that illuminate the Supreme Personality of Godhead the Christian and Gnostic literatures fade into the darkness.

The ongoing proclamation by a few devotees that there is something enlightening about the Absolute Truth in Christianity seems to be due to their prior conditioning as Christians and not due to the intelligent comparison of the Vedic canon to that of the Gospels. As Thakur Bhaktivinode has said,

"Deliberating on the virtues and faults of this world, some moralistic monotheists concluded that the material world is not a place of pure happiness. Indeed, the sufferings outweigh the pleasures. They claim that the material world is a prison to punish the living entities. If there is punishment, then there must be a crime. If there were no crime, then why would there be any punishment? What crime did the living entities commit? Unable to properly answer this question, some men of small intelligence gave birth to a very wild idea. God created the first man and placed him in a pleasant garden with his wife. Then God forbade the man to taste the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Following the evil counsel of a wicked being [a talking snake], the first man and woman tasted the fruit of the tree of knowledge, thus disobeying God's command. In this way they fell from that garden into the material world filled with sufferings. Because of their offense, all other living entities are offenders from the moment of their birth. Not seeing any other way to remove this offense, God Himself took birth in a humanlike form, took on His own shoulders the sins of His followers, and then died. All who follow Him easily attain liberation, and all who do not follow Him fall into an eternal hell. In this way God assumes a humanlike form, punishes Himself, and thus liberates the living entities. An intelligent person cannot make sense of any of this."

(Tattva Vivek 25)

The attempt to find the similarities between Vaishnavaism and a Mleccha religion like Christianity, Gnostic or otherwise, is tantamount to attempting to drag Vaishnavism from its rightful throne of theism into the streets of ignorance.

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theist · May 17, 2007

The attempt to find the similarities between Vaishnavaism and a Mleccha religion like Christianity, Gnostic or otherwise, is tantamount to attempting to drag Vaishnavism from its rightful throne of theism into the streets of ignorance.

Typical misconception from this educated moron Sharma. The similarities seen should be impassionately acknowledged and seen as Christianity rising up and not "Vaisnavism" being drug down.

Just see how much time this sectarianist wastes on his hatred for others attempts to find God.

theist · May 21, 2007

Love Them Who Hate You: Reply to Pradeep

BY: GEORGE A. SMITH

May 20, CALIFORNIA, USA (SUN) —

In his recent article entitled "

St. Thomas, Gnostics and New Age Christianity

", Pradeep Sharma wrote:

"The attempt to find the similarities between Vaishnavaism and a Mleccha religion like Christianity, Gnostic or otherwise, is tantamount to attempting to drag Vaishnavism from its rightful throne of theism into the streets of ignorance."

Excellent, excellent, we have an assertion, and within that assertion, an absolute; "The Attempt", no exceptions. Anyone making such an attempt is attempting to drag Vaisnavism from its rightful throne of theism into the streets of ignorance according to one ignorant person's opinion.

"God created the first man and placed him in a pleasant garden with his wife. Then God forbade the man to taste the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Following the evil counsel of a wicked being [a talking snake],... An intelligent person cannot make sense of any of this." (Tattva Vivek 25)

"So Indra came as a pig to teach them. After some time, Indra's friends said: 'Let us go and see what progress Indra is making'. They were horrified with what they saw! They came and said to Indra: 'Indra, why are you in this condition? We thought you came to reform these pigs?!' 'What are you talking about? said Indra. I am a pig, this is my wife, these are my children and we have all this food here, we're having a wonderful time! Don't bother me, leave me alone.' (Vedic literature)

They have their walking snake, you have your talking pig, your four-headed creator of the material universe coming out of a lotus flower growing out of the navel of Vishnu, who is floating upon the ocean on the back of a thousand-headed snake. And

"An intelligent person cannot make sense of any of this."

Unless it us explained to them. Unfortunately, with the many editions of the Old Testament, the original meaning of the story and the actual identities of the characters were obscured and then lost, leaving intelligent persons at a deficit, unable to make very much sense of it. What will Srila Prabhupada's writings convey after even another fifty years of continued re-editing, what to speak of hundreds of years, even thousands? Perhaps no more than a glimpse, a statement here or there that encamped the editor's hackneyed attempts to improve upon perfection.

I did not advise the devotees to look towards the Gnostic Gospels or to those of the Pauls Creed in their search for perfection, because, as you say; it is a "hedge podgy". I provided only a glimpse of the fact that once upon a time among this hedge podgy, there was at least one man, perhaps his name was Jesus, who understood Guru Tattva perfectly.

I noticed that in all that you posted up, you did not contest the accuracy of my assertion. Perhaps you sought simply to bury it as the sands of history and the centuries of oppression have buried it, simply with the shear number and weight of your own oppressive words.

I am not, nor have I ever been a Christian. Indeed, my own peoples have been oppressed by those claiming to be Christian for many hundreds of years. Goa was not the only place where the living bodies of those who worshiped the Divine Couple were consigned to the flames by the same Office of their faith. But I have finally learned, through the mercy of Srila Prabhupada, that anger and vengeance are not ways by which anybody is going to enlighten anybody.

The simple fact of the matter is that you are going to look quite silly deriding them for their walking snake while you are holding onto your talking pig, anyway. That, however, is a discussion for another time. Let us instead focus on spreading a little light upon your own misunderstandings of just what our attitude and deportment should be in regards to other peoples and to other peoples' religions.

You state:

"The attempt to find the similarities between Vaishnavaism and a Mleccha religion like Christianity, Gnostic or otherwise, is tantamount to attempting to drag Vaishnavism from its rightful throne of theism into the streets of ignorance."

What a thing to say. Your hatred is evident and your anger is blinding, to you. Blinding to you, and wounding to others. In defense of the others I turn your own weapon against you.

You have included in your post an excerpt from Bhaktivinoda Thakur's writings, the weapon you use. Since you seek to lend weight to your argument, to lend force to your death thrust by the strength of his words, let us see what you have actually done:

The attempt to find similarities between Vaisnavism and the religion of Christianity is not without precedent. There have been other persons besides the posters on the Sampradaya Sun who have done this.

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur himself engaged in and did so in such a way as to demonstrate that your conclusions are erroneous, that there are similarities, that in fact this religion of the Mlechas is not the workless piece of trash that you paint it as being.

From his

Moses to Mahaprabhu

, Bhaktivinoda Thakur demonstrates successfully that such comparisons can be made successfully; finding that in Christianity

"vatsalya mixed with opulence crossed India and appeared in a great personality named Jesus Christ, who was a preacher of Jewish religious principles. "

BhaktivinodaThakur states further in the same article:

"…a scholar from England named Newman realized something about this rasa and wrote a book about it. The people of Europe and America have not been satisfied with vatsalya rasa mixed with opulence as preached by Jesus Christ. I hope, by the grace of the Lord, in a very short time they will become attached to drinking the intoxicating nectar of madhurya rasa."

According to your assertion prabhu, no less than Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur is guilty of purposely attempting to drag Vaisnavism into ignorance and to dethrone it by seeking to find similarities between the two religions...and finding them.

Since your denouncement of all who attempted to make such comparisons was made in the form of an absolute, you are also denouncing Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur. Based upon this fact alone, don't you think that it is well past time to leave your anger behind you lest you become the very same thing that you hate and that has blinded you, even to the words of the very authority that you accept, when they do not fit in with what you are looking for, which, sadly seems only to better complete an utter destruction of your enemy?

We are not going to be very helpful to the success of Christians becoming able to drink the nectar of madhurya rasa from the mouths of the pure devotees of Krsna if we are busying ourselves with denouncing their religion as a complete and utter piece of trash (which Bhaktivinoda Thakur claims that it isn't), or fighting them over the impossibility of such things as Jonah being swallowed by a whale while at the same time we are talking about people riding around upon the backs of giant swan airplanes, etc., now are we?

And were not going to make any friends by calling people names like Mlecha, etc., either. What we are going to do instead is make enemies, and enemies don't listen very well... they do not want to listen to you, they want to kill you. They hate, and their hatred gets the better of them causing them even to blaspheme the pure devotees of Krsna, like you have done.

You call them Mlechas, they call you Woggy, and it escalates and then what do you have in love's place? Another Goa? Or perhaps a crater half a mile down where Radha Kund used to be, where the devotees who roll around in the dust glow after dark.

It is one thing to beat up on defenseless devotees who still have an affection for Jesus, to humiliate and to disparage them, it is quite easy. It is another thing to face the real threat of Christian Reconstructionism and other activities conducted in the mode of ignorance by various and sundry present, and to enlighten them and turn their enmity into friendship. That is why we look for similarities -- not so we can take away their Jesus but to give him to them, as he was and as he is according to authorities such as Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, as Guru and as pure devotee of the Lord. So if they have difficulty finding the real Jesus among the Hodge Podge, then you look and find him and then give him to them. Then New Age Christianity will become what Jesus wanted it to be.

Guruvani · May 29, 2007

What is known as Christianity today is a monotheistic religion which practices prayer as the principle act of faith.

Whether or not Jesus was an actual historical figure is debatable and probably nobody can ever prove he was or he wasn't.

Even some of the big skeptics have come to accept that there probably was some historical Jesus, but they also say that his life and his divinity have been greatly embellished and exaggerated in the gospels.

The bottom line though, is that "Christians" believe in one supreme God and the limb of Bhakti that they practice is "prayer".

Whether or not Jesus was a real historical personality is debatable, but some modern Vaishnava acharyas have credited the monotheistic Christianity and their praying to God as actually within the lowest form of Vaishnavism.

Vaishnavism in it's most basic form is first and foremost monotheistic.

Prayer to this ONE God is one of the limbs of bhakti.

So, Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktivindode Thakur both gave the Christian concept as being within the range of Vaishnavism.

So, really, Christianity, whether Jesus was histroically real or not, is monotheism and their praying to God has been recognized as an act of devotion to God and within the broader conception of bhakti.

Srila Prabhupada gave appreciations to Jesus AND Mohammed both for the fact that through Islam and Christianity this monotheism has been spread all over the world laying the foundation for Vaishnavism.

That is the virtue of Islam and Christianity, that monotheism is the foundation and that prayer to God is taught and practiced.

These religious systems have helped mankind greatly by encouraging ethical and religious life in civilizations around the world.

There are many defects and shortcomings in the ecclesiastical doctrines of these great world religions, but they have one underlying virtue of propogating monotheism and prayer to God and helping human civilization out of atheism and polytheism.

Guruvani · May 29, 2007

As well, sometimes the God of the Bible is referred to as the "creator God".

So, exactly what the ancients believed and how they worshiped is always up for debate.

But, practically speaking, if you talk to a "Christian" today you will find that they worship God not only as the creator God but as the absolute God of everything.

So, modern Christanity, whether Jesus was historically real or not, is monotheistic and recognizing that there is ONE supreme ABSOLUTE God.

Religious people have over the centuries evolved the monotheistic religious faith that prays to the ONE SUPREME ABSOLUTE GOD.

It has it's basic foundations of the teachings of Christ, whether or not Christ was historically real or not.

So, it really doesn't matter if Christ was an actual historical figure or not.

The monotheistic faith with it's principle practice of praying to God as the one supreme absolute person has value.

At least it has been credited with having value according to Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur.

So, we don't have to accept Jesus as an actual historical figure to appreciate that "Christianity" promotes exclusive monotheism and advocates prayer to God and moral, ethical and religious life.

There are allegorical figures in Puranic shastra as well, but there can be much to learn and much to benefit even in the words of allegorical or fictional characters if there is some real knowledge and understanding attached to the fable.