Subconcious Cleaned??

[Tirisilex]

Is there a practice that cleanses karmic impressions in the subconscious mind?

[gHari]

http://vedabase.net/sb/2/1/18/en

 

SyAmasundara: Subconscious, that which we are not consciously aware of...

 

PrabhupAda: That means it is consciousness but it is covered.

 

SyAmasundara: Yes. He says that unconscious part of our mind is dangerous, infantile, animalistic. But Jung says that the unconscious can also be positive and helpful to the growth of our personality, that it can be an asset to understand this unconscious life.

 

PrabhupAda: But I think that the subconscious status as it is covered by the present consciousness, similarly, it can be covered by KRSNa consciousness, so that those subconscious states will be no longer able to react.

 

SyAmasundara: He sees a positive or creative function of this unconscious...

 

PrabhupAda: Just like the other day I was citing the zloka of YamunAcArya about sex life. The subconscious status is there, sex life, but because he has got KRSNa consciousness, he is spitting on it. That means the subconscious state cannot overcome. So our policy is that you become fully KRSNa conscious, and then all the subconscious status which is gathered for life after life, and they are stored, they are in stock, they will not be able to overcome.

[Guruvani]

 

Is there a practice that cleanses karmic impressions in the subconscious mind?

while you sleep, your pineal gland produces a neuro-transmitter known as DMT (dimethyltryptamine) which induces dreams which are nothing more than hallucinations.

 

So, as long as you have a body and a brain and pineal gland you will have weird dreams that really mean nothing more than any other hallucination.

 

so, the whole concept of subconscious mind can be a tricky subject.

[krsna]

 

while you sleep, your pineal gland produces a neuro-transmitter known as DMT (dimethyltryptamine) which induces dreams which are nothing more than hallucinations.

 

So, as long as you have a body and a brain and pineal gland you will have weird dreams that really mean nothing more than any other hallucination.

 

so, the whole concept of subconscious mind can be a tricky subject.

 

Speculations

 

Several speculative and as yet untested hypotheses suggest that endogenous DMT, produced in the human brain, is involved in certain psychological and neurological states. As DMT is naturally produced in small amounts in the brains and other tissues of humans, and other mammals[1], some believe it plays a role in promoting the visual effects of natural dreaming, near-death experiences and other mystical states. A biochemical mechanism for this was proposed by the medical researcher JC Callaway, who suggested in 1988 that DMT might be connected with visual dream phenomena, where brain DMT levels are periodically elevated to induce visual dreaming and possibly other natural states of mind. <SUP class=reference id=_ref-5>[7]</SUP>

Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases.

Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid and reptillian in nature, in technological environments<SUP class=reference id=_ref-strassman_1>[5]</SUP> where the subjects were 'probed', 'tested' and sometimes even 'manipulated' by these 'beings' (see Abduction phenomenon).

In the 1950s, the endogenous production of psychoactive agents was considered to be a potential explanation for the hallucinatory symptoms of some psychiatric diseases as the transmethylation hypothesis.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-6>[8]</SUP>. Unfortunately, this hypothesis does not account for the natural presence of endogenous DMT in otherwise normal humans, not to mention rats and other laboratory animals. The proposal by Dr. Callaway was the first to suggest a useful function for the endogenous production of DMT; i.e. to facilitate the visual phenomenon of normal dreaming.

Ethical concerns do not allow for the testing of this hypothesis in humans, as the biological samples must come from the living human brain. It is unknown if other animals actually do dream, as it is quite impossible to know this without their ability to tell us that they have had a dream, although REM sleep is highly correlated with dream sleep.

Writers on DMT include Terence McKenna and Jeremy Narby, though most scientists who study psychedelic drugs treat their writings with skepticism. McKenna writes of his experiences with DMT in which he encounters entities he describes as "Self-Transforming Machine Elves". McKenna believed DMT to be a tool that could be used to enhance communication and allow for communication with other-worldly entities. Other users report visitation from external intelligences attempting to impart information. These Machine Elf experiences are said to be shared by many DMT users. From a researcher's perspective, perhaps best known is Rick Strassman's DMT: The Spirit Molecule (ISBN 0-89281-927-8); Strassman also proposed that DMT is made in the pineal gland, although this is only speculation. It should be noted that DMT falls in the Tryptamine group, which also contains Serotonin, Melatonin (a hormone the Pineal Gland does indeed produce, and which contains an indole ring similar to DMT), and Psilocybin.

[Guruvani]

I think Srila Prabhupada's concept of subconsciousness might be different than what the common idea of subconsciousness is.

 

Subconsciousness is the part of our being that we are totally unaware of.

Dreaming is actually a part of the conscious state in my view.

 

What is beyond dreaming, like false ego, that is more like subconsciousness.

 

We aren't aware of the false ego like we are aware of dreams.

 

The false ego is even more subtle than dreams.

 

True subconsciousness is the part of being that we have a total lack of awareness of.

 

Dreams are most often just chemical activity in the brain that mixes and mingles different bits of data stored in the brain's memory cells to produce bizarre combinations of memory cell activity.

 

Subconsciousness is beyond the mind on the level of false ego and intuitive instincts.

[Guest guest]

Isn't the pineal gland the ajnea chakra? The third eye? and if you guys believe that the products of the third eye are simply hallucinations due to the presence of DMT, why do you believe in Krsna to begin with? Why do you believe in God, or mystic visions of God and other entities?

 

It's interesting to me that Descartes thought the soul entered the body through the pineal gland and that is where it operates from.