Believe in Jesus, He is the only gate to the paradise

[Infinity]

Believe in Jesus, to the son of the God, and He will take your spirit to the paradise when your body dies. Take this seriously because it is provably true.

[theist]

 

Believe in Jesus, to the son of the God, and He will take your spirit to the paradise when your body dies. Take this seriously because it is provably true.

 

Believing is not enough. We need to lead the life surrender to God that He exemplified. If one becomes a sincere disciple of Lord Jesus Christ then when his body dies he will go to Jesus on Christ-loka. There he will be enlightened as to the person of the one Father and Friend, Sri Krsna ,and THEN enter eternal paradise.

[mahak]

 

Believe in Jesus, to the son of the God, and He will take your spirit to the paradise when your body dies. Take this seriously because it is provably true.

 

Haribol. This is the idea. Lord Jesus Christ Knows the supreme lord, His Father, intimately. Become friends with Lord Jesus and access to His Father is ensured.

 

I find no fault in your statement. The word, "believe", can be expounded, for the science of bhakti yoga delves very specifically on the depth of such a concept as belief. Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

[Guest guest]

 

Believe in Jesus, to the son of the God, and He will take your spirit to the paradise when your body dies. Take this seriously because it is provably true.

Provably true? What do you mean?

[Guruvani]

The religion of "just believe in Jesus" is the result of Pauline Christianity.

 

Jesus never made it quite that simple.

Jesus required a lot more than just belief.

Because true belief is expressed in deeds.

 

Jesus said:

 

 

<big>Don't worry about food</big>

For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing?

Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they?

And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life?

<big>Don't worry about clothing</big>

And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these.

But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith!

<big>Don't worry about tomorrow</big>

Do not worry then, saying, "What will we eat?" or "What will we drink?" or "What will we wear for clothing?" For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.

But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 

There are a lot more to the teachings of Jesus than "just believe".

 

Faith is required but faith is not the end of it.

 

 

 

 

<big>Money</big>

Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.

But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.

 

 

<big>Giving</big>

Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.

So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

 

 

<big>Fasting</big>

Whenever you fast, do not put on a gloomy face as the hypocrites do, for they neglect their appearance so that they will be noticed by men when they are fasting. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face so that your fasting will not be noticed by men, but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

 

 

<big>Judging others</big>

Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

 

 

<big>Be obedient</big>

Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

Many will say to Me on that day, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?" And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you. Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."

 

So, there is more to it than "Believe in Jesus".

 

Many Christians today would like to think it is that simple, but it just doesn't correspond to the teachings of Jesus.

[Guruvani]

so, go practice what Jesus taught and don't bother yourself to come into the Hindu forums with your holier-than-thou attitude.

 

Practice your faith and leave others to practice theirs.

 

get off the computer and go pick up a cross and follow Jesus.

[Guruvani]

"Just believe in Jesus" is what we call "Churchianity" and is the mainstream religion here in the USA.

 

Millions of people flock to church each week to hear the pastors and ministers lull them into a false sense of salvation with a simple message of "Just accept Jesus as your personal saviour".

 

Well, that is how the church that Paul started has ended up here in the modern age, but that is not at all what Jesus himself had in mind.

 

So, who are they following - Jesus or Paul? (maybe Jimmy Swaggart?)

 

Following Jesus isn't as easy and as simple as the modern Christian churches would like you to believe, but it keeps the money coming in each week when the collection plate goes around the pews.

 

Following Jesus is a very difficult and sacrificing path.

 

It is nothing at all like most Christians would like to believe.

There is alot more to it than lip service.

 

Follow Jesus................ great idea!

 

Go do it and you won't have time to come into the Hindu forums pretending to be better than everyone else.

[Guruvani]

 

<big>Pray in secret</big>

When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

[Guruvani]

 

<big>The Golden Rule</big>

In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

[Guest guest]

Not a typical spammer here, bro. Otherwise, the initial note would speak volumes of armageddon and joining, and all the other stuff. I dont like the word "only" in Infinity's title, but the post itself is okay. Jesus never hurt no body, or cut of any babies heads.

 

Provably means ability to serve Providence. Provable. According to Proverbs (Solomonic, I like that). Provisional, conditional (I.e. "provided that...").

 

But i think he meant probably, probably. Going to probate, probative (uh oh, here comes a long debate).

 

hare krsna ys, mahaksadasa

[Guruvani]

 

never hurt no body, or cut of any babies heads.

 

I don't see that I was treating the person as if Jesus was Kamsa or anybody like that.

 

I quoted the teachings of Jesus and pointed out the difference between Churchianity and Jesus-anugaism.

 

(hey I just coined a new term "Jesus-anuga"..... follower of Jesus.)

 

I was simply pointing out the teachings of Jesus and comparing that to the "just believe in Jesus" cult.

 

If you can show me anywhere I put down Jesus, then fire away.

 

I think you are shadow boxing here with some spooks that I can't see.

[Guruvani]

 

 

 

The Nazarene Way of Essenic Studies

Yeshua or Jesus?

The Mis-Transliteration of a Greek Mis-Transliteration.

 

 

Yeshua is the original Aramaic proper name for Jesus the Nazarene, who lived from about 6 B.C.E. to 27 C.E. (A.D.)

The word "Jesus" is actually a mis-transliteration of a Greek mis-transliteration. The Emperor Constatine even mistook Jesus for Apollo, the son of the Greek god Zeus.

In Hebrew Yeshua means Salvation while the name Jesus has no intrinsic meaning in English whatsoever.

 

 

 

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Yeshua Ben Yosef

 

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It is most proper to call Him

Yeshua

. It was indeed his proper name, given to him by his parents, and only in Hebrew does this name have any meaning. In Hebrew Yeshua means both "Salvation," and the concatenated form of Yahoshua, is "Lord who is Salvation." The name Jesus has no intrinsic meaning in English whatsoever.

 

There are many Yeshuas that we read about in Biblical text and many are confused with the Yeshua who would later become the "Christ". The name Yeshua appears 29 times in the Tanach. Yehoshua (Joshua) of Nun is called Yeshua in Nechemyah (Nehemiah) 8:17. Yeshua is the name of the Cohain HaGadol (the high priest) in the time of Zerubavel in Ezra 3:2. It is the name of a Levite under King Hizkiyah (Hezekiah) in 2 Chronicles 31:15. There is even a city called Yeshua in the negev of Yehudah in Nechemyah11:26. Yeshua is also a shortened version of the word Yehoshua much like Bill is for William.

 

There are 7 other Yeshuas (Jesuses) in the Brit Chadashah. There is Elymas bar Yeshua in Acts 13:6. There is an ancestor of Yeshua HaMashiach: the son of Eliezar, the father of Er in Luke 3:29. In Rav Shaul's letter to the Colossians in chapter 4, verse 11, there is a Justus called Yeshua a fellow worker of Shaul. Josephus, the famous Jewish historian mentions 20 different Yeshuas (Jesuses), 10 of which are contemporary with Yeshua HaMashiach. All together, at least 50 Yeshuas from his time plus about 9 in the Tanach have been revealed from Biblical text and other literary sources.

 

 

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Mis-Translating the Mis-Translation

 

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Yeshua is a Hebrew name which has been transliterated into Greek as

Iesous

(

IhsouV

: pronounced "ee-ay-SUS"). The English "Jesus" comes from the Latin transliteration of the Greek name into the Latin

Iesus

. Now Greek has no "y" sound, but the Latin "i" is both an "i" and a "j" (i.e., it can have a consonantal force in front of other vowels), the latter of which is properly pronounced like the English "y" (which explains the German

Jesu

, "YAY-su")That is why we

spell

Jesus as we do, taking it straight from Latin, but we

pronounce

the name with a soft "j" sound because that is what we do in English with the consonantal "j".

 

The first letter in the name Yeshua ("Jesus") is the yod. Yod represents the "Y" sound in Hebrew. Many names in the Bible that begin with yod are mispronounced by English speakers because the yod in these names was transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. All proper names in the Old Testament were transliterated into English according to their Hebrew pronunciation via the Latin, but when English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, these transliterations were not altered. Thus, such Hebrew place names as ye-ru-sha-LA-yim, ye-ri-HO, and yar-DEN have become known to us as Jerusalem, Jericho, and Jordan; and Hebrew personal names such as yo-NA, yi-SHAI, and ye-SHU-a have become known to us as Jonah, Jesse, and Jesus. To further complicate matters, there was no letter "J" in the old English alphabet and the letter "I" was often used in its place. Often in early texts of the time, Jesus or Jerusalem would be spelled Iesus or Ierusalem.

 

The second sound in Yeshua's name is called tse-RE, and is pronounced almost like the letter "e" in the word "net". Just as the "Y" sound of the first letter is mispronounced in today's English, so too the first vowel sound in "Jesus". Before the Hebrew name "Yeshua" was transliterated into English, it was first transliterated into Greek. There was no difficulty in transliterating the tse-RE sound since the ancient Greek language had an equivalent letter which represented this sound. And there was no real difficulty in transcribing this same first vowel into English. The translators of the earliest versions of the English Bible transliterated the tse-RE in Yeshua with an "e". Unfortunately, later English speakers guessed wrongly that this "e" should be pronounced as in "me," and thus the first syllable of the English version of Yeshua came to be pronounced "Jee" instead of "Yeh". It is this pronunciation which produced such euphemistic profanities as "Gee" and "Geez".

 

Since Yeshua is spelled "Jeshua" and not "Jesus" in most English versions of the Old Testament (for example in Ezra 2:2 and 2 Chronicles 31:15), one easily gets the impression that the name is never mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures. Yet 'Yeshua' appears there twenty-nine times, and is the name of at least five different persons and one village in the southern part of Yehudah ("Judah").

 

In contrast to the early biblical period, there were relatively few different names in use among the Jewish population of the Land of Israel at the time of the Second Temple. The name Yeshua was one of the most common male names in that period, tied with Eleazer for fifth place behind Simon, Joseph, Judah, and John. Nearly one out of ten persons known from the period was named Yeshua.

 

The first sound of the second syllable of Yeshua is the "sh" sound. It is represented by the Hebrew letter shin. However Greek, like many other languages, has no "sh" sound. Instead, the closest approximation, the Greek sigma, was used when transcribing "Yeshua" as "Iesus". Translators of English versions of the New Testament transliterated the Greek transcription of a Hebrew name, instead of returning to the original Hebrew. This was doubly unfortunate, first because the "sh" sound exists in English, and second because in English the "s" sound can shift to the "z" sound, which is what happened in the case of the pronunciation of "Jesus".

 

The fourth sound one hears in the name Yeshua is the "u" sound, as in the word "true". Like the first three sounds, this also has come to be mispronounced but in this case it is not the fault of the translators. They transcribed this sound accurately, but English is not a phonetic language and "u" can be pronounced in more than one way. At some point the "u" in "Jesus" came to be pronounced as in "cut," and so we say "Jee-zuhs."

 

The "a" sound, as in the word "father," is the fifth sound in Jesus' name. It is followed by a guttural produced by contracting the lower throat muscles and retracting the tongue root- an unfamiliar task for English speakers. In an exception to the rule, the vowel sound "a" associated with the last letter "ayin" (the guttural) is pronounced before it, not after. While there is no equivalent in English or any other Indo-European language, it is somewhat similar to the last sound in the name of the composer, "Bach." In this position it is almost inaudible to the western ear. Some Israelis pronounce this last sound and some don't, depending on what part of the dispersion their families returned from. The Hebrew Language Academy, guardian of the purity of the language, has ruled that it should be sounded, and Israeli radio and television announcers are required to pronounce it correctly. There was no letter to represent them, and so these fifth and sixth sounds were dropped from the Greek transcription of "Yeshua," -the transcription from which the English "Jesus" is derived.

 

So where did the final "s" of "Jesus" come from? Masculine names in Greek ordinarily end with a consonant, usually with an "s" sound, and less frequently with an "n" or "r" sound. In the case of "Iesus," the Greeks added a sigma, the "s" sound, to close the word. The same is true for the names Nicodemus, Judas, Lazarus, and others.

 

English speakers make one final change from the original pronunciation of Jesus' name. English places the accent on "Je," rather than on "sus." For this reason, the "u" has been shortened in its English pronunciation to "uh."

 

 

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In Jesus' Name

 

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Today's tradition of pronouncing His completely hellenized name as "Jesus" has indeed obscured His true name, "Yeshua," and has shifted its perceived meaning much like most of His original teachings.

As with all things Essene however, there is always the exoteric and the esoteric philosophies and functions. That is, those ideas and teachings suitable to be imparted to the public, and those designed for or understood by the specially initiated alone.

Even His name, it would seem, became a part of this understanding. The name Jesus or Jesus Christ is often used in everything from idle conversation, to bumper stickers and jewelry, to enforcing false teachings, to justifying wars and political agendas, and is even used as a profanity. The name Yeshua however, has remained pure and holy, known and used only by those who would uphold His name and teachings in the highest regard and thus reserving His holy name for use only in spiritual matters and the most humbled and sincere of prayer and obeisances.

<hr> Special Note: In an effort to keep the integrity of the manuscripts within The Nazarene Way site and its archives intact, and for the purposes of study, correspondence and for future theological reference, the name Jesus does appear in many of our texts, files and manuscripts. To the devout student, the proper name Yeshua is always implied.

It is our intention to reproduce all texts as they were originally written or, as they were originally translated. We feel it is important that no text is ever arbitrarily or intentionally changed, altered, added to, replaced or corrected, to include spelling, punctuation or grammatical error. The word Jesus is also used on our main menu and index pages for general public recognition and for common browser and search engine purposes.

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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls beforeswine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. ~Matt 7.6

 

 

[Guest guest]

Wait for his/her reply first:)

[Guruvani]

 

Wait for his/her reply first:)

 

yes Maam ...................

[theist]

Although I agree with Guruvani on the inadequacy (sp) of belief I can also agree with Mahaksa in that the word belief gets used showing different degrees of intensity if you will.

 

But the main point is that one must come to the point of actually following the instructions of Jesus Christ. When one tries to apply the external and internal teachings of Christ ,which on the surface appear quite simple, one comes to understand where real Christianity lies and that in the complete change of heart. Not so simple afterall.

 

Another thing is this board is called spiritual discussions and not hindu disccussions. Spiritual life is non-sectarian in nature and those that are tasting it show tolerance to others. If unwilling to engage a newcomer in spiritual discussion from the prspective of where they find themselves and enter the forum then it would be best not to speak to them at all.

[Guruvani]

 

Although I agree with Guruvani on the inadequacy (sp) of belief I can also agree with Mahaksa in that the word belief gets used showing different degrees of intensity if you will.

 

But the main point is that one must come to the point of actually following the instructions of Jesus Christ. When one tries to apply the external and internal teachings of Christ ,which on the surface appear quite simple, one comes to understand where real Christianity lies and that in the complete change of heart. Not so simple afterall.

 

Another thing is this board is called spiritual discussions and not hindu disccussions. Spiritual life is non-sectarian in nature and those that are tasting it show tolerance to others. If unwilling to engage a newcomer in spiritual discussion from the prspective of where they find themselves and enter the forum then it would be best not to speak to them at all.

but, if somebody comes into the forum saying that Jesus is the only way and that the Hindus had better believe in Jesus because he is the only way, then I don't think those kind of people should be welcome.

 

those kind of people don't come in to have spiritual discussions.

they come in to promote their bigoted concept of religion with absolutely no regard for any form of Hindu religion that they consider of the devil.

 

I have no sentiment towards these Christian bigots.

Their minds are closed and shut.

 

They come in here to put down our beliefs and spout off arrogantly that their way is the only way.

 

I think they should be banned as soon as they show up.

 

Christians don't come in here for spiritual discussion.

They come in to make a stir and be a nuisance, kinda like a ritvik at an ISKCON Rathayatra!

[theist]

 

Believe in Jesus, to the son of the God, and He will take your spirit to the paradise when your body dies. Take this seriously because it is provably true.

 

 

Guruvani: but, if somebody comes into the forum saying that Jesus is the only way and that the Hindus had better believe in Jesus because he is the only way, then I don't think those kind of people should be welcome.

 

Even if that were true that was not said. I for you don't expect everyone to agree with we have to say. This is the material world afterall where everyone is in some level of disagreement with Krsna consciousness. I people are reasonable they can express opposing opinions without displaying biogtry as is the case with Infinity.

 

Maybe check your own mind and heart to see if maybe you are not the one to harbor the bigotry in this case.

[Guruvani]

 

If people are reasonable they can express opposing opinions without displaying biogtry as is the case with Infinity.

 

 

Maybe you should go back and look at the title of the topic again -

 

Believe in Jesus, He is the only gate to the paradise

 

JESUS IS THE ONLY GATE TO PARADISE?

 

I say give 'em the boot.

 

It's the same kind of bigotry and hatred that Christians have been spouting off in India since the British plundered the Holy Land of the Hindus.

 

this person came in here with a closed mind.

 

they came to preach about Jesus and put down the Hindu faiths.

 

We have already heard that stuff a thousand times.

We don't need to hear it again.

[Guest guest]

This is not the example Srila Prabhupada set. Had it been, wed all be given the boot. Most of us came from atheistic platforms, with Jimi as our god. But Srila Prabhupada played with Moby Grape, Janis Joblin, and the Grateful dead, and had Hells Angels dancin in the street.

 

So we should try to harness the 1% of the 1% of the mercy Srila Prabhupada exhibits. The dude is givng his spirituality, the full way he was taught, and we actually accept the entire proposal, including Jesus Christ being the only way. Only thru the devotee who is representing the supreme lord can one be with the Supreme Lord. Even Dhruva, who was with God before he met his spiritual master, still had God disappear on him and was left with His only way, Srila Narada Muni.

 

If one understands guru, this measns the One God, Sri Chaitaguru, who sometimes manifests before our eyes to give us one to follow on a practical level.

 

Also, guruvani, I wasnt criticizing you nor accusing you of making jesus to be a demon. The words I used were on a great album by Bob Dylan, titled "Lenny Bruce is Dead". This album is spot on concerning Bob's newfound relationship with Lord Jesus Christ (Saved, which followed the excellent Slow Train Comin). His realizations led to very intimate relationship with brother George, and they were very close until he passed on.

 

Bottom line, we want Infinity here. He has a right to be here. He has a right to espouse his understanding of Lord Jesus Christ. He did not criticize Krsna, and even if he did put down hindus, I do that too, along with christians, jews, muslims, all of the religionists.

 

His title may have been provocative, but his statement stands as reasonable, humble, open to further discussion, actually a great hint of submissive inquiry. There are four types of those who become devotees, among them those who are inquisitive.

 

Anyway, who are you to give anyone the boot, anyway. Boot them all on your own blog.

 

Haribol, ys, mahaksadasa

[Guruvani]

Well, maybe nobody else is going to say it, but I am going to say most definitely that Jesus is not the ONLY way.

 

There really never was any person named Jesus who was the saviour of the Jews.

 

His name was Yeshua.

 

What if we started telling everybody that the leader of the Hare Krishna movement was Sri Bollappahick?

 

Would that be right?

 

The Jewish mystic that people are calling Jesus was actually Yeshua - not Jesus.

 

The name Jesus has nothing to do with the Jewish reformer who got crucified by the Romans with plenty of encouragement from the Jewish priests who didn't like that fanatic followers were calling him the messiah.

 

So, "JESUS" isn't the way to anywhere except maybe a latin country.

 

JESUS?

 

Oh yeah, i know Jesus. I was in the Navy with Jesus - Jesus Rodriguez.

And that is the truth.

[Guest guest]

Well there are 14 legitimate sampradayas that lead to the crown chakra and the door of Brahma.

 

So I disagree that Jesus is the ONLY gate.

 

Also maybe s/he was trying to say Jizo is the only gate. The Buddhist intercessiary Deity who protects the souls of children. Maybe he just mispelled Jizo as Jesus.

 

Well it could happen.

 

In any case, Jesus or Jizo, is not the "only" gate.

 

Hmmm... or who knows: maybe she or he was getting "gate" mixed up with, "Gate, gate, Param Gate" ["Gone, Gone, Gone Beyond..."] which the Buddhists recite at the time of death, exhorting the soul to exit via the crown chakra.

 

Or maybe he just wanted to praise Paramgate Swami of ISKCON.