suchandra Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 According Ravindra Swarupa das (see below) any activity performed in this world is causing negative side effects - even activities of Lord Krishna and Lord Caitanya Himself. Transcendental activities causing material effects? Doesnt make actual sense - instead it is rather us, the living entities, who change the Lord's and His pure devotees activities into something mundane. Ravindra Swarupa das: "Krishna says in this world, any endeavour is covered with fault. Just as a fire is covered with smoke. So anything that you do in this world, it is always going to have its defects or its downside, even if it is done by Krishna Himself. Lord Chaitanya released confidential information into the world about Krishna's pastimes that were maybe not very well spread around so much. What was the result? A sahajiya movement, and you can say, well look what Lord Chaitanya did you know, He put this whole sahajiya movement here, He shouldn't have done that, it was a big mistake." (Ravindra Swarupadas, Issues in ISKCON Reform lecture) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 According Ravindra Swarupa das (see below) any activity performed in this world is causing negative side effects - even activities of Lord Krishna and Lord Caitanya Himself. Transcendental activities causing material effects? Doesnt make actual sense - instead it is rather us, the living entities, who change the Lord's and His pure devotees activities into something mundane. Ravindra Swarupa das: "Krishna says in this world, any endeavour is covered with fault. Just as a fire is covered with smoke. So anything that you do in this world, it is always going to have its defects or its downside, even if it is done by Krishna Himself. Lord Chaitanya released confidential information into the world about Krishna's pastimes that were maybe not very well spread around so much. What was the result? A sahajiya movement, and you can say, well look what Lord Chaitanya did you know, He put this whole sahajiya movement here, He shouldn't have done that, it was a big mistake." (Ravindra Swarupadas, Issues in ISKCON Reform lecture) I agree with you suchandra. It is our eyes that are covered with smoke and not the Lord's activities. Just like clouds can never cover the sun but can cover us and prevent us from experiencing the direct sunlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Krsna is non-different from his activities which are completely transcendental. << TEXT 9 janma karma ca me divyam evam yo vetti tattvatah tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti so 'rjuna SYNONYMS janma--birth; karma--work; ca--also; me--of Mine; divyam--transcendental; evam--like this; yah--anyone who; vetti--knows; tattvatah--in reality; tyaktva--leaving aside; deham--this body; punah--again; janma--birth; na--never; eti--does attain; mam--unto Me; eti--does attain; sah--he; arjuna--O Arjuna. TRANSLATION One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna. PURPORT The Lord's descent from His transcendental abode is already explained in the 6th verse. One who can understand the truth of the appearance of the Personality of Godhead is already liberated from material bondage, and therefore he returns to the kingdom of God immediately after quitting this present material body. Such liberation of the living entity from material bondage is not at all easy. The impersonalists and the yogis attain liberation only after much trouble and many, many births. Even then, the liberation they achieve--merging into the impersonal brahmajyoti of the Lord--is only partial, and there is the risk of returning again to this material world. But the devotee, simply by understanding the transcendental nature of the body and activities of the Lord, attains the abode of the Lord after ending this body and does not run the risk of returning again to this material world. In the Brahma-samhita it is stated that the Lord has many, many forms and incarnations: advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam. Although there are many transcendental forms of the Lord, they are still one and the same Supreme Personality of Godhead. One has to understand this fact with conviction, although it is incomprehensible to mundane scholars and empiric philosophers. As stated in the Vedas: eko devo nitya-lilanurakto bhakta-vyapi hrdy antar-atma "The one Supreme Personality of Godhead is eternally engaged in many, many transcendental forms in relationships with His unalloyed devotees." This Vedic version is confirmed in this verse of the Gita personally by the Lord. He who accepts this truth on the strength of the authority of the Vedas and of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and who does not waste time in philosophical speculations attains the highest perfectional stage of liberation. Simply by accepting this truth on faith, one can, without a doubt, attain liberation. The Vedic version, "tattvamasi," is actually applied in this case. Anyone who understands Lord Krsna to be the Supreme, or who says unto the Lord "You are the same Supreme Brahman, the Personality of Godhead" is certainly liberated instantly, and consequently his entrance into the transcendental association of the Lord is guaranteed. In other words, such a faithful devotee of the Lord attains perfection, and this is confirmed by the following Vedic assertion: tam eva viditvati mrtyum eti nanyah pantha vidyate 'yanaya One can attain the perfect stage of liberation from birth and death simply by knowing the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. There is no alternative because anyone who does not understand Lord Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead is surely in the mode of ignorance. Consequently he will not attain salvation, simply, so to speak, by licking the outer surface of the bottle of honey, or by interpreting the Bhagavad-gita according to mundane scholarship. Such empiric philosophers may assume very important roles in the material world, but they are not necessarily eligible for liberation. Such puffed-up mundane scholars have to wait for the causeless mercy of the devotee of the Lord. One should therefore cultivate Krsna consciousness with faith and knowledge, and in this way attain perfection. >> Ravindra-Svarupa has become his own authority - he needs to re-familiarize himself with the Bhagavad Gita - Not surprising considering his questionable position as guru in an equally questionable GBC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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