Pankaja_Dasa Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Anybody know significance. There is still Murti in Vrindavana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Mother "Yahoda". Is she the husband of dee? Mother Yahoda was a demigod worshiper. I think I saw that in Srimad Bhoogavatim..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted July 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Yashoda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Please provide quote the Bhagavata or elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted July 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 ints in folio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 ints in folio. can u reproduce it here please>? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Mother "Yahoda". Is she the husband of dee? Mother Yahoda was a demigod worshiper. I think I saw that in Srimad Bhoogavatim..... Who was that "demi-God" that she worshipped?? She worshiped Lord Shiva and Shiva is no "demi or semi God"!! Get this once and for all!! And stop committing this offense of name calling Lord Maheswara as a mere "DemiGod"!! Hare Krsna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Who was that "demi-God" that she worshipped??She worshiped Lord Shiva and Shiva is no "demi or semi God"!! Get this once and for all!! And stop committing this offense of name calling Lord Maheswara as a mere "DemiGod"!! Hare Krsna Since Siva represents the partial power of Lord Vishnu we consider him a demigod. Only Vishnu is God and all other devatas are demigods. The Vedic shastra says that Siva is not as great as Vishnu or Narayana, so we consider Siva as a demigod. Vishnu is the origin of Siva. Siva is partial manifestation of Krishna - not complete, so he is demigod. Only Vishnu, Narayana or Krishna is God. All other devatas are demigods and serve Krishna as servant. Siva is servant of Krishna. So, he is demigod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Can someone at least produce the quote from SB before the battle starts? geez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Can someone at least produce the quote from SB before the battle starts? geez quotes don't mean anything to them fellows. that have a belief and no quotes from anything means anything to them. we have already been through this before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muralidhar_das Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Who was that "demi-God" that she worshipped??She worshiped Lord Shiva and Shiva is no "demi or semi God"!! Get this once and for all!! And stop committing this offense of name calling Lord Maheswara as a mere "DemiGod"!! Hare Krsna Yes I completely agree Har har Mahadev! Joy Sri Shiv Sambhu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Yes I completely agree Har har Mahadev! Joy Sri Shiv Sambhu! polytheism ki-jaya!!!! I guess we could use the words of Srila Saraswati Thakur and call them "dislocated portions of the Divinity". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Srila Prabhupada derives the term "demigod" from the Sanskrit word devatah. That is how Lord Krishna refers to the "demigods" in Bhagavad-gita. Devatah = demigod Hindus are polytheisitc. They think that there are many Gods. Krishna is Deva Deva the God of the gods. There is only ONE Deva Deva and many devatah. Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 7.20 kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ prapadyante 'nya-devatāḥ taḿ taḿ niyamam āsthāya prakṛtyā niyatāḥ svayā SYNONYMS kāmaiḥ — by desires; taiḥ taiḥ — various; hṛta — deprived of; jñānāḥ — knowledge; prapadyante — surrender; anya — to other; devatāḥ — demigods; tam tam — corresponding; niyamam — regulations; āsthāya — following; prakṛtyā — by nature; niyatāḥ — controlled; svayā — by their own. TRANSLATION Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures. But, Lord Siva is a guna-avatar. He is above even Lord Brahma and almost equal to Vishnu Tattva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muralidhar_das Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Sree Advaita Acharya is both Vishnu and Shiva. Har Har Mahadeva! All glory Lord Mahadeva, who lives on the icy mountain of Kailasa, south of Siberia where the modern day sages are living! devadidevam-ahibhusanam-indukasam panchananam pasupatim varadam prasannam gangadharam pranatapalakamasutosam vande sadasiva-haripriya-chandramaulim - Sanskrit verse by the Guru of the brahmana pictured above http://scsmath.org/trove2/gkunda_verses/gkunda_siva_pranam.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 9.76 amṛtalińga-śiva dekhi' vandana karila saba śivālaye śaiva 'vaiṣṇava' ha-ila SYNONYMS amṛta-lińga-śiva — the Lord Śiva deity named Amṛta-lińga; dekhi' — seeing; vandana karila — offered obeisances; saba śiva-ālaye — in all the temples of Lord Śiva; śaiva — devotees of Lord Śiva; vaiṣṇava ha-ila — became devotees of Lord Kṛṣṇa. TRANSLATION Seeing the Śiva deity named Amṛta-lińga, Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu offered His obeisances. Thus He visited all the temples of Lord Śiva and converted the devotees of Lord Śiva into Vaiṣṇavas. I bet Siva was really diggin' on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 9.175 śiva-durgā rahe tāhāń brāhmaṇera veśe mahāprabhu dekhi' dońhāra ha-ila ullāse SYNONYMS śiva-durgā — Lord Śiva and his wife, Durgā; rahe tāhāń — stayed there; brāhmaṇera veśe — in the dress of brāhmaṇas; mahāprabhu dekhi' — seeing Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu; dońhāra — of both of them; ha-ila — there was; ullāse — great pleasure. TRANSLATION In Śrī Śaila Lord Śiva and his wife Durgā lived in the dress of brāhmaṇas, and when they saw Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, they became very pleased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 9.176 tina dina bhikṣā dila kari' nimantraṇa nibhṛte vasi' gupta-vārtā kahe dui jana SYNONYMS tina dina — for three days; bhikṣā dila — offered alms; kari' nimantraṇa — inviting Him; nibhṛte — in a solitary place; vasi' — sitting together; gupta-vārtā — confidential talks; kahe — speak; dui jana — both of them. TRANSLATION Lord Śiva, dressed like a brāhmaṇa, gave alms to Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu and invited Him to spend three days in a solitary place. Sitting there together, they talked very confidentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 9.177 tāńra sańge mahāprabhu kari iṣṭagoṣṭhī tāńra ājñā lañā āilā purī kāmakoṣṭhī SYNONYMS tāńra sańge — with him; mahāprabhu — Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu; kari iṣṭa-goṣṭhī — discussing spiritual subject matter; tāńra — his; ājñā — order; lañā — taking; āilā — came; purī kāmakoṣṭhī — to Kāmakoṣṭhī-purī. TRANSLATION After talking with Lord Śiva, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu took his permission to leave and went to Kāmakoṣṭhī-purī. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 9.280 gokarṇe śiva dekhi' āilā dvaipāyani sūrpāraka-tīrthe āilā nyāsi-śiromaṇi SYNONYMS gokarṇe — in the place named Gokarṇa; śiva — the temple of Lord Śiva; dekhi' — seeing; āilā — came; dvaipāyani — to Dvaipāyani; sūrpāraka-tīrthe — to the holy place named Sūrpāraka; āilā — came; nyāsi-śiromaṇi — the best of the sannyāsīs, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. TRANSLATION After seeing Pañcāpsarā, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu went to Gokarṇa. While there, He visited the temple of Lord Śiva, and then He went to Dvaipāyani. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, the crown jewel of all sannyāsīs, then went to Sūrpāraka-tīrtha. PURPORT Gokarṇa is situated in North Kanara, in the Karnataka state. It is about thirty-three miles southeast of Karwar. This place is very famous for the temple of Lord Śiva known as Mahā-baleśvara. Hundreds and thousands of pilgrims come to see this temple. Sūrpāraka is about twenty-six miles north of Bombay. In the Maharashtra province, near Bombay, is a district known as Thānā and a place known as Sopārā. Sūrpāraka is mentioned in the Mahābhārata (Śānti-parva, 41.66-67). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 20.311 'śiva' — māyā-śakti-sańgī, tamo-guṇāveśa māyātīta, guṇātīta 'viṣṇu' — parameśa SYNONYMS śiva — Lord Śiva; māyā-śakti-sańgī — an associate of the external energy; tamaḥ-guṇa-āveśa — absorbed by the quality of ignorance; māyā-atīta — transcendental to the external energy; guṇa-atīta — transcendental to the qualities of matter; viṣṇu — Viṣṇu; parama-īśa — the Supreme Lord. TRANSLATION "Lord Śiva is an associate of the external energy; therefore he is absorbed in the material quality of darkness. Lord Viṣṇu is transcendental to māyā and the qualities of māyā. Therefore He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. PURPORT Viṣṇu is beyond the range of the material manifestation, and He is not within the control of the material energy. He is the supreme independent Personality of Godhead. This is admitted even by Śańkarācārya: nārāyaṇaḥ paro 'vyaktāt (Gītā-bhāṣya). In his constitutional form, Śiva is a mahā-bhāgavata, a supreme devotee of the Lord, but because he accepts māyā's association — especially the quality of ignorance — he is not free from māyā's influence. Such an intimate association is completely absent in the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Viṣṇu. Lord Śiva accepts māyā, but in the presence of Lord Viṣṇu, māyā does not exist. Consequently Lord Śiva has to be considered a product of māyā. When Lord Śiva is free from māyā's influence, he is in the position of a mahā-bhāgavata, a supreme devotee of Lord Viṣṇu. Vaiṣṇavānāḿ yathā śambhuḥ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Antya 3.262 caitanyāvatāre kṛṣṇa-preme lubdha hañā brahma-śiva-sanakādi pṛthivīte janmiyā SYNONYMS caitanya-avatāre — in the incarnation of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu; kṛṣṇa-preme — for ecstatic love of Kṛṣṇa; lubdha hañā — being very greedy; brahma — Lord Brahmā; śiva — Lord Śiva; sanaka-ādi — the Kumāras and others; pṛthivīte — on this earth; janmiyā — taking birth. TRANSLATION During the incarnation of Lord Caitanya to inaugurate the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, even such personalities as Lord Brahmā, Lord Śiva and the four Kumāras took birth upon this earth, being allured by ecstatic love of Lord Kṛṣṇa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 8.7.29 mukhāni pañcopaniṣadas taveśa yais triḿśad-aṣṭottara-mantra-vargaḥ yat tac chivākhyaḿ paramātma-tattvaḿ deva svayaḿ-jyotir avasthitis te SYNONYMS mukhāni — faces; pañca — five; upaniṣadaḥ — Vedic literatures; tava — your; īśa — O lord; yaiḥ — by which; triḿśat-aṣṭa-uttara-mantra-vargaḥ — in the category of thirty-eight important Vedic mantras; yat — that; tat — as it is; śiva-ākhyam — celebrated by the name Śiva; paramātma-tattvam — which ascertain the truth about Paramātmā; deva — O lord; svayam-jyotiḥ — self-illuminated; avasthitiḥ — situation; te — of Your Lordship. TRANSLATION O lord, the five important Vedic mantras are represented by your five faces, from which the thirty-eight most celebrated Vedic mantras have been generated. Your Lordship, being celebrated as Lord Śiva, is self-illuminated. You are directly situated as the supreme truth, known as Paramātmā. PURPORT The five mantras mentioned in this connection are as follows: (1) Puruṣa, (2) Aghora, (3) Sadyojāta, (4) Vāmadeva, and (5) Īśāna. These five mantras are within the category of thirty-eight special Vedic mantras chanted by Lord Śiva, who is therefore celebrated as Śiva or Mahādeva. Another reason why Lord Śiva is called Śiva, which means "all-auspicious," is that he is self-illuminated, exactly like Lord Viṣṇu, who is the Paramātmā. Because Lord Śiva is directly an incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu, he is situated as Lord Viṣṇu's direct representative. This fact is corroborated by a Vedic mantra: patiḿ viśvasyātmeśvaraḿ śāśvatam. śivam acyutam. The Supersoul is called by many names, of which Maheśvara, Śiva and Acyuta are especially mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 10.40.8 tvām evānye śivoktena mārgeṇa śiva-rūpiṇam bahv-ācārya-vibhedena bhagavantarn upāsate SYNONYMS tvām — You; eva — also; anye — others; śiva — by Lord Śiva; uktena — spoken; mārgeṇa — by the path; śiva-rūpiṇam — in the form of Lord Śiva; bahu-ācārya — of many teachers; vibhedena — following the different presentations; bhagavantam — the Supreme Lord; upāsate — they worship. TRANSLATION There are still others, who worship You, the Supreme Lord, in the form of Lord Śiva. They follow the path described by him and interpreted in various ways by many teachers. PURPORT The words tvām eva, "You also," indicate that the path of worshiping Lord Śiva is indirect and therefore inferior. Akrūra himself is following the superior method by directly worshiping Kṛṣṇa, or Viṣṇu, with his prayers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muralidhar_das Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 <!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote --> Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(102, 102, 102); padding-left: 3ex; padding-right: 3ex;" bgcolor="#e0e0e0"> Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 8.7.29 mukhāni pañcopaniṣadas taveśa yais triḿśad-aṣṭottara-mantra-vargaḥ yat tac chivākhyaḿ paramātma-tattvaḿ deva svayaḿ-jyotir avasthitis te TRANSLATION O lord, the five important Vedic mantras are represented by your five faces, from which the thirty-eight most celebrated Vedic mantras have been generated. Your Lordship, being celebrated as Lord Śiva, is self-illuminated. You are directly situated as the supreme truth, known as Paramātmā. The Supersoul is called by many names, of which Maheśvara, Śiva and Acyuta are especially mentioned. </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote -->Nice verse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Srila Prabhupada derives the term "demigod" from the Sanskrit word devatah. That is how Lord Krishna refers to the "demigods" in Bhagavad-gita. Devatah = demigod Hindus are polytheisitc. They think that there are many Gods. Krishna is Deva Deva the God of the gods. There is only ONE Deva Deva and many devatah. But, Lord Siva is a guna-avatar. He is above even Lord Brahma and almost equal to Vishnu Tattva. Guruvani. You are a total idiot! You are flaunting your knowledge of devta terminology. But did you ever try to enquire into Shri Mahadeva? Did you enquire why he is "Maha"deva. He is not Devata narrow minded jack! He is Maha devata. He is God. As powerful as Vishnu. Period. Why would Vishnu pray to his partial amsha? According to your understanding, you should be praying to your arms and legs if that is the case. he he!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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