British people

[krishnadasa]

Hare Krishna,

 

I had a tour to Britian sometimes back.. I just got a feeling that British especially English, still think they are the kings of the world.. Worst is when they start claiming good thats happening in India is because of Brits.....I was bewildered by the nuisance this people still have in thier minds...

 

The country that you looted, raped and did all harm that a human being can ever think of has stood strong due to Krishan's grace .. And you claim its your grace.. ha ha.....

 

Krishna save world, coz world is in the hands of these people now...

 

hari bol

[suchandra]

 

Hare Krishna,

 

I had a tour to Britian sometimes back.. I just got a feeling that British especially English, still think they are the kings of the world.. Worst is when they start claiming good thats happening in India is because of Brits.....I was bewildered by the nuisance this people still have in thier minds...

 

The country that you looted, raped and did all harm that a human being can ever think of has stood strong due to Krishan's grace .. And you claim its your grace.. ha ha.....

 

Krishna save world, coz world is in the hands of these people now...

 

hari bol

This gets even more obvious when visiting temples like Bhaktivedanta Manor, they behave like, "we are the European headquarter". But what happened to the European Vaishnavas, how the European yatras were destroyed, looted, raped and exploited, millions stolen and thousands of devotees cheated by handful of "genuine gurus", this they suddenly never heard about. The only thing what they are greatly worried about that these "gurus" didnt seek shelter at their place but were welcomed with red carpet as guests of honour at Alachua, Florida.

Yes, Krishna save world, coz world it is in the hands of these people now...

 

hari bol

[gHari]

One might however see the British as the ones that saved the Hindus from the invaders/occupiers from the north. A lesser evil?

[suchandra]

 

One might however see the British as the ones that saved the Hindus from the invaders/occupiers from the north. A lesser evil?

 

Also the Chinese people consider that there is some "dangerous evil, so it is a vicious circle so to speak, latest bestseller in China, "Currency Wars":

 

 

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Richard McGregor in Beijing – Financial Times September 25, 2007

 

 

 

 

The Battle of Waterloo. The deaths of six US presidents. The rise of Adolf Hitler. The deflation of the Japanese bubble economy, the 1997-98 Asian financial crisis and even environmental destruction in the developing world.

 

In a new Chinese best-seller, Currency Wars , these disparate events spanning two centuries have a single root cause: the control of money issuance through history by the Rothschild banking dynasty.

 

Even today, claims author Song Hongbing, the US Federal Reserve remains a puppet of private banks, which also ultimately owe their allegiance to the ubiquitous Rothschilds.

 

Such an over-arching conspiracy theory might matter as little as the many fetid tracts that can still be found in the west about the “gnomes of Zurich” and Wall Street’s manipulation of global finance.

 

But in China, which is in the midst of a lengthy debate about opening its financial system under US pressure, the book has become a surprise hit and is being read at senior levels of government and business.

 

“Some senior heads of companies have been asking me if this is all true,” says Ha Jiming, the chief economist of China International Capital Corp, the largest local investment bank.

 

The book also gives ammunition, however hay-wire, to many in China who argue that Beijing should resist pressure from the US and other countries to allow its currency, the renminbi, to appreciate.

 

The book’s publisher, a unit of the state-owned CITIC group, said Currency Wars had sold nearly 200,000 copies, with an estimated 400,000 extra pirated copies in circulation as well.

 

Mr Song, an information technology consultant and amateur historian who has lived in the US since 1994 and is now based in Washington, says his interest was sparked by trying to uncover what lay behind the Asian crisis in 1997.

 

After he began blogging some of his findings, his friends suggested he find a publisher for a longer work. He professes himself surprised by the book’s success.

 

“I never imagined it could be so hot and that top leaders would be reading it,” he says during a book tour in Shanghai. “People in China are nervous about what’s going on in financial markets but they don’t know how to handle the real dangers. This book gives them some ideas.”

 

The thing that most shocked him, he says, was his “discovery” that the Fed is a privately owned and run bank. “I just never imagined a central bank could be a private body,” he says.

 

The Fed does describe itself “as an unusual mixture of public and private elements”. While its seven governors are all appointed by the US president, private banks do hold shares in its 12 regional reserve banks.

 

But Mr Song ignores the government’s role and argues that the Fed’s key functions are ultimately controlled by five private banks, such as Citibank, all of which have maintained a “close relationship” with the Rothschilds.

 

Mr Song is defensive about his focus on the Rothschilds and what the book depicts as their Jewish clannishness.

 

“The Chinese people think that the Jews are smart and rich, so we should learn from them,” he says. “Even me, I think they are really smart, maybe the smartest people on earth.”

 

Jon Benjamin, chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, is not impressed. “The Chinese have the highest regard for what they see as Jewish intellectual and commercial acumen, with little or no concurrent culture of antisemitism. This claim, however, plays to the most discredited and outmoded canards surrounding Jews and their influence. That it should gain currency in the world’s most important emerging economy is a great concern.”

 

The book has been ridiculed in internet postings in China, for exaggerating the lingering influence of the Rothschilds and being a re-write of existing conspiracy theories in the west.

 

Mr Ha puts the book’s popularity down to the decade-long stagnation in Japan and the Asian financial crisis, which he says had a profound impact on many Chinese policymakers.

 

Such officials remain deeply suspicious of advice from western countries to open up the financial system and float the currency. “They think it is just a new way of looting developing countries,” Mr Ha says.

 

Mr Song himself has been commissioned to write a number of new books to capitalise on his success, on the yen, the euro and also on China’s financial system.

 

But in conversation, he sounds hesitant about the line his future tomes might take. “This book may be totally wrong, so before the next one, I have to make sure my understanding is right,” he says.

 

“Before this book, I was a nobody, so I could say anything I liked, but now the situation has changed.”

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[niranjan]

The british are indeed a very arrogant lot. Whatever there is good in them comes from the Indians.

 

The Indian numeral system and mathematics ,which came to europe , set the foundation for science and technology in the west and britain to its present heights.

 

As Albert Einstein himself said, "We have to be grateful to the Indians for teaching us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made. "

 

If it were not for Indian mathematics Europe would still would have been living in the Dark Ages.

 

The britishers also learnt about personal hygiene and taking baths from us during their stay in India. The terms 'shampoo ' and 'bath' are of Indian origin.

 

About 2500 years back, at the time of Buddha and mahavira, when the Indians were indulging in spirituality, philosophy and metaphysics , the britishers were living in caves and forests, running around naked and painting themselves blue.

[suchandra]

 

The british are indeed a very arrogant lot. Whatever there is good in them comes from the Indians.

 

The Indian numeral system and mathematics ,which came to europe , set the foundation for science and technology in the west and britain to its present heights.

 

As Albert Einstein himself said, "We have to be grateful to the Indians for teaching us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made. "

 

If it were not for Indian mathematics Europe would still would have been living in the Dark Ages.

 

The britishers also learnt about personal hygiene and taking baths from us during their stay in India. The terms 'shampoo ' and 'bath' are of Indian origin.

 

About 2500 years back, at the time of Buddha and mahavira, when the Indians were indulging in spirituality, philosophy and metaphysics , the britishers were living in caves and forests, running around naked and painting themselves blue.

The new British empire

 

 

UK plans to annex south Atlantic

 

 

Owen Bowcott – The Guardian September 28, 2007

 

Britain is preparing territorial claims on tens of thousands of square miles of the Atlantic Ocean floor around the Falklands, Ascension Island and Rockall in the hope of annexing potentially lucrative gas, mineral and oil fields, the Guardian has learned.

 

The UK claims, to be lodged at the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, exploit a novel legal approach that is transforming the international politics of underwater prospecting.

 

Britain is accelerating its process of submitting applications to the UN - which is fraught with diplomatic sensitivities, not least with Argentina - before an international deadline for registering interests.

 

Relying on detailed geological and geophysical surveys by scientists and hydrographers, any state can delineate a new "continental shelf outer limit" that can extend up to 350 miles from its shoreline. Data has been collected for most of Britain's submissions and Chris Carleton, head of the law of the sea division at the UK Hydrographic Office and an international expert on the process, said preliminary talks on Rockall are being held in Reykjavik, Iceland, next week.

 

Mr Carleton believes the Falklands claim has the most potential for acrimonious political fallout. Britain and Argentina fought over the islands 25 years ago, and the value of the oil under the sea in the region is understood to be immense: seismic tests suggest there could be about 60bn barrels under the ocean floor.

 

Britain has been granted licences for exploratory drilling around the islands within the normal 200-mile exploration limit and any new claim to UNCLCS would extend territorial rights further into the Atlantic.

 

"It would be beyond the 200-mile limit but less than 350 miles," said Mr Carleton, who is involved in preparing the submission. "It effectively joins up the area around South Georgia to the Falklands. It's a claim but how it's handled has not been decided yet. The Argentinians will say it's not ours to claim. It's all a bit tricky."

 

Martin Pratt, director of research at Durham University's international boundaries research unit, added: "The Russians may be claiming the Arctic but the UK is claiming a large chunk of the Atlantic. Some states might ask why a big power is entitled to huge stretches of the ocean's resources thousands of miles away from its land, but that's the way the law is."

 

Because of the sensitivities - earlier this year Buenos Aires scrapped a 1995 agreement with the UK to share any oil found in the adjacent waters - the first formal application from the UK is likely to centre on Ascension.

 

The volcanic island, 1,000 miles from the African mainland, sits just to one side of the mid-Atlantic ridge. No gas or oil is likely to be found below the surrounding waters but there could be significant mineral deposits on the ocean floor.

 

Talks have already begun between Ireland, Iceland and Denmark for the division of rights far out into the north Atlantic. It includes the island of Rockall and the sub-sea Hatton ridge. The competing claims are nowhere near final resolution although Ireland and the UK have agreed a common boundary.

 

Other countries that have submitted claims to the ocean floors around remote overseas dependencies have run into fierce resentment from neighbouring nations. France, which this summer registered its claim to thousands of square miles around New Caledonia, in the Pacific, has received protests from Vanuatu warning that the claim has "serious implications and ramifications on Vanuatu's legal and traditional sovereignty". Russia was criticised this summer for making claims beneath the Arctic Ocean.

 

The UN body has been progressing slowly through its casework. The process of extending the normal 200-mile limit requires volumes of technical evidence of submarine soundings. According to the convention on the law of the sea, applicant states may register their rights by "establishing the foot of the continental slope, by meeting the requirements stated for the thickness of sedimentary rocks".

 

Once demarcated, the ocean floor may then be claimed up to 60 nautical miles from the bottom of the continental slope. When territorial rights have been obtained, states have the right to extract any minerals, natural gas or oil discovered in the annexed seabed.

 

There is a deadline of May 2009 for claims from the UK and other countries to be submitted, although states that ratified the treaty later have more time. "The amount of technical data required is massive," said Mr Pratt. "Australia recently submitted 80 volumes."

 

In the past, Greenpeace has described the process as a "land grab".

 

 

 

· This article was amended on Friday September 28 2007. About 60bn barrels of oil are estimated to be lying under the seabed around the Falkland Islands, not 60m, as we said in the article. This has been corrected.

 

www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,,2174615,00.html