I need a spiritualized body in order to rise to suddha sattva/ pure devotion???

krsna · September 25, 2007

Pure devotion suddha bhakti is where suddha sattva begins and for that we need a spiritualized body where the mind (material) is completely disolved. :rolleyes2:

And when the body and mind is 100 % engaged in pure bhakti proper-- the red hot iron becomes non-different from fire in it's intensity, heat and light-- this example is given for the body of the devotee who enges FULLY in suddha bhakti. :cool:

At what stage in our spiritual development will the material body cease to think, feel and will materially and begin to think, feel and will spiritually, i.e., with a natural, spontaneous and free willingness to serve Krsna for His pleasure alone? :pray:

Honestly, I'm get sick and tired of being under the control of the external material energy maya and not under the divine protective energy of Krsna's internal spiritual potency hladhini-shakti. :crying2:

What has to give so I can make the switch from external to internal, from illusory to real, from material to spiritual???

Isn't there just this one (1) singular only choice in this life that we can make as jiva soul -- part and parcel of Krsna -- to choose between being under the control of Durga devi's energy or under the control of Krsna's bhakti shakti? :eek3:

Can we call or cry out, "Dear Lord Krsna ,from this day on I am yours." And then will we be released from the bondage to maya and become free to exert our minute independence in the service of Krsna?

What kind of association (sanga) is required for us tiny sparks of conciousness (jivas) in order to make that choice clear, consistent and determined choice for spiritual progress towards fully accepting our marginal status as Krsna's eternal servants, that come under the divine protection of diavi prakriti and not maya prakrti? :smash:

theist · September 25, 2007

Pure devotion suddha bhakti is where suddha sattva begins and for that we need a spiritualized body where the mind (material) is completely disolved.

And when the body and mind is 100 % engaged in pure bhakti proper-- the red hot iron becomes non-different from fire in it's intensity, heat and light-- this example is given for the body of the devotee who enges FULLY in suddha bhakti.

At what stage in our spiritual development will the material body cease to think, feel and will materially and begin to think, feel and will spiritually, i.e., with a natural, spontaneous and free willingness to serve Krsna for His pleasure alone?

When we actually love Krsna instead of trying to do business with Him.

Honestly, I'm get sick and tired of being under the control of the external material energy maya and not under the divine protective energy of Krsna's internal spiritual potency hladhini-shakti.

Good. We should be sick and tired.

What has to give so I can make the switch from external to internal, from illusory to real, from material to spiritual???

We have to go to the point of total material exhaustion which is at the far end of sick and tired. End of the rope is a good metaphor. We still are holding on to to a little bit of rope that connects or ties us to the mundane plane.

Isn't there just this one (1) singular only choice in this life that we can make as jiva soul -- part and parcel of Krsna -- to choose between being under the control of Durga devi's energy or under the control of Krsna's bhakti shakti?

Yes, to love Krsna without reservation, hestitation or personal expectation.

Can we call or cry out, "Dear Lord Krsna ,from this day on I am yours." And then will we be released from the bondage to maya and become free to exert our minute independence in the service of Krsna?

Certainly but we must mean it fully. We cannot bluff Krsna.

What kind of association (sanga) is required for us tiny sparks of conciousness (jivas) in order to make that choice clear, consistent and determined choice for spiritual progress towards fully accepting our marginal status as Krsna's eternal servants, that come under the divine protection of diavi prakriti and not maya prakrti?

The association of one is has already made the quantom leap you describe.

Of course krsna, you know the answer to all this already but thanks for giving a chance for a nice meditation. =:-)

Guruvani · September 25, 2007

The Holy Name alone can render all benediction upon the living being.

If and when we ever attain the blessings of hladini shakti it will come via the Holy Name of Krishna.

The pure name is our only hope.

Pure chanting of the Holy Name will surcharge the devotee will all the spiritual potencies of bliss and knowledge.

We are already eternal, though we don't realize that yet either.

There is no solution, no salvation and no perfection except in the Holy Name.

If we want Krishna that bad, then we have to develop a love affair with the Holy Name.

There is NO other way.

krsna · September 25, 2007

The Holy Name alone can render all benediction upon the living being.
If and when we ever attain the blessings of hladini shakti it will come via the Holy Name of Krishna.

The pure name is our only hope.

Pure chanting of the Holy Name will surcharge the devotee will all the spiritual potencies of bliss and knowledge.

We are already eternal, though we don't realize that yet either.

There is no solution, no salvation and no perfection except in the Holy Name.

If we want Krishna that bad, then we have to develop a love affair with the Holy Name.

There is NO other way.

Listen to Srila Prabhupada giving the following Purport to the Hare Krsna Maha-mantra. (RealAudio)

"This transcendental vibration--the chanting of

Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare | Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare

-

is the sublime method for reviving our Krsna consciousness. As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our asociation with matter since time immemorial, our consciousness is now poluted by material atmosphere. In this polluted concept of live, we are all trying to exploit the resources of material nature, but actually we are becoming more and more entangled in our complexities. This illusion is called maya, or hard struggle for existence over the stringent laws of material nature. This illusory struggle against the material nature can at once be stopped by revival of our Krsna consciousness.

Krsna consciousness is not an artificial imposition on the mind. This consciousness is the original energy of the living entity. When we hear the transcendental vibration, this consciousness is revived. And the process is recommended by authorities for this age. By practical experience also, we can perceive that by chanting this maha-mantra, or the Great Chanting for Deliverance, one can at once feel transcendental ecstasy from the spiritual stratum. When one is factually on the plane of spiritual understanding, surpassing the stages of sense, mind and intelligence, one is situated on the transcendental plane. This chanting of

Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare | Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama

, Hare Hare

is directly enacted from the spiritual platform, surpassing all lower states of consciousness--namely sensual, mental and intellectual. There is no need of understanding the language of the mantra, nor is there any need of mental speculation nor any intellectual adjustment for chanting this maha-mantra. It springs automatically from the spiritual platform, and as such, anyone can take part in this transcendental sound vibration, without any previous qualification, and dance in ecstasy.

We have seen it practically. Even a child can take part in the chanting, or even a dog can take part in it. The chanting should be hears, however, from the lips of a pure devotee of the Lord, so that immediate effect can be achieved. As far as possible, chanting from the lips of a nondevotee should be avoided, as much as milk touched by the lips of a serpent causes poisonous effect.

The word Hara is a form of addressing the energy of the Lord. Both Krsna and Rama are forms of addressing directly the Lord, and they mean "the highest pleasure, eternal". Hara is the supreme pleasure potency of the Lord. This potency, when addressed are Hare, helps us in reaching the Supreme Lord.

The material energy, called as maya, is also one of the multipotencies of the Lord, as much as we are also marginal potency of the Lord. The living entities are described as superior energy than matter. When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Hara, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity.

The three words, namely Hara, Krsna and Rama, are transcendental seeds of the maha-mantra, and the chanting is a spiritual call for the Lord and His internal energy, Hara, for giving protection to the conditioned soul. The chanting is exactly like a genuine cry by the chold for the mother. Mother Hara helps in achieving the grace of the supreme father, Hari, or Krsna, and the Lord reveals Himself to such a sincere devotee.

No other means, therefore, of spiritual realization is as effective in this age, as chanting the maha-mantra,

Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare | Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare."

Purport to the Maha-Mantra

Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.