Metal Turned Into Gold

[suchandra]

Although by logic it makes full sense - you become immediately brahmana when properly initiated. When examining from "catur-varnyam maya srstam", point of view, "the four divisions of human society are created by Me", (BG 4.13), things look different.

The division and influence of brahmana as created by Lord Sri Krishna Himself is a division which is naturally respected by the other three divisions. But do we see presently that Vaishnava brahmanas are naturally respected? People actually don't even consider to listen to Vaishnava brahmanas, what to speak of respecting them.

The opposite party of those who preach you first have to be born into a brahmana family draws nearer.

 

Prabhupada, London, July 28, 1973: "If properly initiated, he becomes immediately brahmana. Dvijatvam. Dvija means second birth. Yatha kancanatam yati kamsyam rasa-vidhanatah. There is a chemical process that kamsya, bell metal, can be turned into gold by mixing proportionately with mercury. Now here is a hint of chemistry. If anyone can prepare gold...

 

 

But it is very difficult to mix mercury. As soon as there is little heat, immediately the mercury's finished. So there is a process. Everything has process. Many yogis know how to make gold from copper. Actually, chemically, copper, tin and mercury, if you mix proportionately, it will be gold. So Sanatana Gosvami gives this example. As the copper and tin, these two metals, mixed with mercury, there can be production of gold, similarly, by proper initiation, by the proper spiritual master, one sudra, even though he's a sudra, less than sudra, varna-sankara, or candala, he can become dvija, brahmana. So our process is to make dvija. Pancaratriki vidhi. Pancaratriki vidhi. That is recommended.

 

sruti-smrti-puranadi-

pancaratriki vidhim vina

aikantiki harer bhaktir

utpatayaiva kalpate

 

Rupa Gosvami gives this direction that the initiation must be done according to sruti, smrti or pancaratriki vidhi. There is nyaya-prasthana, sruti-prasthana and smrti-prasthana. To make spiritual progress in three ways: by the Vedanta philosophy, or Vedic ways, or according to Smrti. Smrti means authorized books written in accordance to the Sruti. Sruti smrti. Just like Bhagavad-gita. Bhagavad-gita is not directly Vedas, but all the stanzas of Bhagavad-gita, they're strictly according to the Nyaya-prasthana and Sruti-prasthana. So any book which is strictly written according to the Vedas and Vedantas, that is also accepted as Vedic literature. So Pancaratriki vidhi means that it doesn't matter whether man is sudra or candala... Candala means less than sudra. Pancama The fifth grade. First class, brahmana; second class, ksatriya; third class, vasya; fourth class, sudra; and below this fourth class, they're all candalas. Candalas means pancama. Untouchable. They are called untouchable. So even the untouchables... Because Krishna has said: Mam hi partha vyapasritya ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah. The papa-yoni, candala means papa-yoni, born of low-grade family... The Bhagavata says, Sukadeva Gosvami says, that: Kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa abhira-sumbha yavana khasadayah. Yavana, mlecca yavana. They, they are called... They are also counted amongst the candalas. Ye 'nye ca papah, even lower than that. Ye 'nye ca papah suddhyanti. They becomes purified. How? Prabhavisnave namah. When they are initiated to become Krishna conscious. So if a, one may argue, "How it is possible to make a candala a Vaisnava?" No, that is possible. Prabhavisnave namah. Visnu is so powerful, omnipotent. He can do that. So only by Visnu mantra, by becoming a Vaisnava, one can transcend all this restriction, sociology. They can be. That is confirmed by Krishna: mam cavyabhicarini bhakti-yogena yah sevate sa gunan brahmatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate. Immediately he transcends. He's in the Brahman platform. One who has taken very seriously this devotional service, he's no more on this material platform."

[suchandra]

 

 

sruti-smrti-puranadi-

pancaratriki vidhim vina

aikantiki harer bhaktir

utpatayaiva kalpate

 

"Rupa Gosvami gives this direction that the initiation must be done according to sruti, smrti or pancaratriki vidhi. There is nyaya-prasthana, sruti-prasthana and smrti-prasthana. To make spiritual progress in three ways: by the Vedanta philosophy, or Vedic ways, or according to Smrti. Smrti means authorized books written in accordance to the Sruti. Sruti smrti. Just like Bhagavad-gita. Bhagavad-gita is not directly Vedas, but all the stanzas of Bhagavad-gita, they're strictly according to the Nyaya-prasthana and Sruti-prasthana. So any book which is strictly written according to the Vedas and Vedantas, that is also accepted as Vedic literature. So Pancaratriki vidhi means that it doesn't matter whether man is sudra or candala... Candala means less than sudra. Pancama The fifth grade. First class, brahmana; second class, ksatriya; third class, vasya; fourth class, sudra; and below this fourth class, they're all candalas. Candalas means pancama. Untouchable. They are called untouchable. So even the untouchables... Because Krishna has said: Mam hi partha vyapasritya ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah. The papa-yoni, candala means papa-yoni, born of low-grade family... The Bhagavata says, Sukadeva Gosvami says, that: Kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa abhira-sumbha yavana khasadayah. Yavana, mlecca yavana. They, they are called... They are also counted amongst the candalas. Ye 'nye ca papah, even lower than that. Ye 'nye ca papah suddhyanti. They becomes purified. How? Prabhavisnave namah. When they are initiated to become Krishna conscious. So if a, one may argue, "How it is possible to make a candala a Vaisnava?" No, that is possible. Prabhavisnave namah. Visnu is so powerful, omnipotent. He can do that. So only by Visnu mantra, by becoming a Vaisnava, one can transcend all this restriction, sociology. They can be. That is confirmed by Krishna: mam cavyabhicarini bhakti-yogena yah sevate sa gunan brahmatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate. Immediately he transcends. He's in the Brahman platform. One who has taken very seriously this devotional service, he's no more on this material platform. So long we are in the material platform, these distinction, brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, varna-sankara, they are considered. But when one is transcendentally situated, simply in pure, unalloyed service of the Lord, he's no more in the material platform. He's in the spiritual platform. Brahma-bhuyaya kalpate. He's already in the Brahman platform. Brahman platform means sa gunan samatitya etan. This material platform means three modes of material nature. Sattva-guna, rajo-guna, tamo-guna. Here, even one is brahmana... Sattva-guna means the brahminical qualification. He's also contaminated. He's also contaminated. He's conditioned by the material nature. And what to speak of sudra and varna-sankara? Everyone is conditioned by the material nature. Daivi hy esa gunamayi. Brahmana means to be situated, a first-class prisoner. A first-class prisoner is also prisoner. You cannot say that he's free. No, free is different from a first-class prisoner. Sometimes, any respectable gentleman, some political offence, he's put into jail. Just like Gandhi also went to jail. And so many others. But they were given the place, first-class prisoners. They got servant. They got separate bungalow and books, library, all facilities. But they cannot go out of the prison house. They are called first-class prisoners. So to become a brahmana means to becomes a first-class prisoner. That's all."

Bhagavad-gita

Ch 1 : Verse 40

[London, July 28, 1973]

[Guruvani]

I actually found a recipe for making gold on the web.

It has since been taking down for some reason.

I printed out the recipe.

It is very interesting and is based on turning mercury into gold just as Srila Prabhupada mentions in his books.

 

The formula is very scientific and sounds very plausible.

The author claims to have turned small amounts of mercury into gold with this process.

 

I haven't tried it yet.

But, the process actually sounds like a very interesting possibility.

The process does not use heat or fire.

[suchandra]

 

I actually found a recipe for making gold on the web.

It has since been taking down for some reason.

I printed out the recipe.

It is very interesting and is based on turning mercury into gold just as Srila Prabhupada mentions in his books.

 

The formula is very scientific and sounds very plausible.

The author claims to have turned small amounts of mercury into gold with this process.

 

I haven't tried it yet.

But, the process actually sounds like a very interesting possibility.

The process does not use heat or fire.

 

These are interesting news when are you going to start the experiment?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course there's a warning in SB 5.14.7 about the dangerous influence upon a conditioned souls mind:

 

 

 

 

"Sometimes the living entity is interested in the yellow stool known as gold and runs after it. That gold is the source of material opulence and envy, and it can enable one to afford illicit sex, gambling, meat-eating and intoxication. Those whose minds are overcome by the mode of passion are attracted by the color of gold, just as a man suffering from cold in the forest runs after a phosphorescent light in a marshy land, considering it to be fire."

 

 

 

 

But when properly used in serving humanity by responsible brahmanas like yourself, what can be the harm?

 

[suchandra]

Purport: Pariksit Maharaja told Kali-yuga to leave his kingdom immediately and reside in four places: brothels, liquor shops, slaughterhouses and gambling casinos. However, Kali-yuga requested him to give him only one place where these four places are included, and Pariksit Maharaja gave him the place where gold is stored. Gold encompasses the four principles of sin, and therefore, according to spiritual life, gold should be avoided as far as possible. If there is gold, there is certainly illicit sex, meat-eating, gambling and intoxication. Because people in the Western world have a great deal of gold, they are victims of these four sins. The color of gold is very glittering, and a materialistic person becomes very much attracted by its yellow color. However, this gold is actually a type of stool. A person with a bad liver generally passes yellow stool. The color of this stool attracts a materialistic person, just as the will-o'-the-wisp attracts one who needs heat."

 

Srimad-Bhagavatam 5:14:7 Purport

[Guruvani]

But, dollars and rupees are the same as gold.

ISKCON, even under Srila Prabhupada was certainly not shy about trying to acquire this "green gold".

 

If the gold is used for Krishna, then it not really "yellow stool".

It is Laksmi Devi coming to serve Narayan?

No?

[suchandra]

 

But, dollars and rupees are the same as gold.

ISKCON, even under Srila Prabhupada was certainly not shy about trying to acquire this "green gold".

 

If the gold is used for Krishna, then it not really "yellow stool".

It is Laksmi Devi coming to serve Narayan?

No?

 

If your gold is used for serving Krishna it is 100% perfect! Prabhupada would say, you should be conscious that by the grace of Krishna you have gotten it, now there's no more scarcity, you're wealthy and this is Krishna's plan.

 

Prabhupada, Los Angeles, November 30, 1973: So you should be conscious that by the grace of Krishna, you have got all these things. There is no poverty, there is no scarcity, there is good chance of education, and you are wealthy, beautiful, everything. Janmaiśvarya-śruta-śrīḥ. But if you do not become Krishna conscious, if you misuse these assets, then again punar mūṣiko bhava.

[...]

 

So you American people, you have become tiger now, Nixon tiger. But if you don’t behave obligely, if you don’t feel obliged, if the tiger feels obliged that, “By the grace of the saintly person, I have come to the stage of becoming a tiger, I must be very much obliged to him…” But instead of becoming obliged, if you want to eat, then again become a mouse. If the saintly person has got the power to make you from mouse to tiger, then he can convert you again from tiger to mouse. You must always remember this. So by the grace of God, Krishna, you have become so powerful nation, rich, beautiful, educated. By grace of Kṛṣṇa you have become, but if you forget Krishna, then you are again going to be mouse. Remember that. Nobody will care for you. Just like Englishmen. Englishmen, they established the British Empire, great, powerful, most powerful nation in the world. Now they are not so. Because they misused their power. So you get power, opulence, by the grace of Lord, Krishna. And if you misuse it, then you become again… That is happening. That is the nature’s law. Nature’s law.

So here, Arjuna, by his personal behavior, he is showing that “Without Krishna… I was so great fighter that I took charge of the sixteen thousand wives of Kṛṣṇa to take them safely. Because Krishna passed away, so they must be given protection.” He was Krishna's friend, but he could not do so. All the queens were plundered by cowherdsmen. Therefore he says that gopair asadbhiḥ. Cowherdsmen, they are not very powerful. They are ordinary men, cowherdsmen. But Arjuna was kṣatriya, so powerful. So he was defeated by them. Therefore he is regretting that asadbhiḥ: “If I would have been defeated by another powerful person, that would have been glory, but I have been defeated by the cowherdsmen.” Just see. Asadbhiḥ. They are not counted amongst gentlemen. Asadbhir abaleva.

 

 

 

Śrīmad-Bhagavatam

1.15.20

by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Los Angeles, November 30, 1973