Guruvani Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Canto 7: " The Science of God" Seventh Canto <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> Chapter One The Supreme Lord Is Equal to Everyone TEXT 35 <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> dehendriyasu-hinanam vaikuntha-pura-vasinam deha-sambandha-sambaddham etad akhyatum arhasi <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> SYNONYMS <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> deha--of a material body; indriya--material senses; asu--life breath; hinanam--of those devoid; vaikuntha-pura--of Vaikuntha; vasinam--of the residents; deha-sambandha--in a material body; sambaddham--bondage; etat--this; akhyatum arhasi--please describe. <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> TRANSLATION <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> The bodies of the inhabitants of Vaikuntha are completely spiritual, having nothing to do with the material body, senses or life air. Therefore, kindly explain how associates of the Personality of Godhead were cursed to descend in material bodies like ordinary persons. <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> PURPORT <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> This very significant question would be difficult for an ordinary person to answer, but Narada Muni, being an authority, could answer it. Therefore Maharaja Yudhisthira inquired from him, saying, etad akhyatum arhasi: "only you can explain the reason." From authoritative sources it can be discerned that associates of Lord Visnu who descend from Vaikuntha do not actually fall. They come with the purpose of fulfilling the desire of the Lord, and their descent to this material world is comparable to that of the Lord. The Lord comes to this material world through the agency of His internal potency, and similarly, when a devotee or associate of the Lord descends to this material world, he does so through the action of the spiritual energy. Any pastime conducted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead is an arrangement by yogamaya, not mahamaya. Therefore it is to be understood that when Jaya and Vijaya descended to this material world, they came because there was something to be done for the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Otherwise it is a fact that no one falls from Vaikuntha. Of course, a living entity who desires sayujya-mukti remains in Krsna's Brahman effulgence, which is dependent on Krsna's body (brahmano hi pratisthaham). Such an impersonalist who takes shelter of the Brahman effulgence must surely fall down. This is stated in the sastra (Bhag. 10.2.32): <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> ye 'nye 'ravindaksa vimukta-maninas tvayy asta-bhavad avisuddha-buddhayah aruhya krcchrena param padam tatah patanty adho 'nadrta-yusmad-anghrayah <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> "O Lord, the intelligence of those who think themselves liberated but who have no devotion is impure. Even though they rise to the highest point of liberation by dint of severe penances and austerities, they are sure to fall down again into material existence, for they do not take shelter at Your lotus feet." The impersonalists cannot reach the Vaikuntha planets to become associates of the Lord, and therefore, according to their desires, Krsna gives them sayujya-mukti. However, since sayujya-mukti is partial mukti, they must fall again to this material world. When it is said that the individual soul falls from Brahmaloka, this applies to the impersonalist. From authoritative sources it is learned that Jaya and Vijaya were sent to this material world to fulfill the Lord's desire to fight. The Lord also sometimes wants to fight, but who can fight with the Lord but a very confidential devotee of the Lord? Jaya and Vijaya descended to this world to fulfill the Lord's desire. Therefore in each of their three births--first as Hiranyaksa and Hiranyakasipu, second as Ravana and Kumbhakarna, and third as Sisupala and Dantavakra--the Lord personally killed them. In other words, these associates of the Lord, Jaya and Vijaya, descended to the material world to serve the Lord by fulfilling His desire to fight. Otherwise, as Maharaja Yudhisthira says, asraddheya ivabhati: the statement that a servant of the Lord could fall from Vaikuntha seems unbelievable. How Jaya and Vijaya came to this material world is explained by Narada Muni as follows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted October 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 So, before falling down to the material energy the jiva was only partially liberated in sayujya-mukti and that is why he was eligible to fall down. There is no falling down from the complete mukti of liberation in devotional service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 What is the difference between partial and complete mukti? I think that a liberated soul is not under maya influence while a conditioned soul is under such influence. Does it mean that the soul who attained sayujya-mukti is under some maya influence, e.g. under sattva-guna influence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted October 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 What is the difference between partial and complete mukti? I think that a liberated soul is not under maya influence while a conditioned soul is under such influence. Does it mean that the soul who attained sayujya-mukti is under some maya influence, e.g. under sattva-guna influence? Sayujya-mukti does not have security in service to the Lotus feet of Krishna. It is partial because the jiva has not attained a spiritual body in the spiritual world but simply remains as a spirit spark in the brahmajyoti. From that position the jiva can potentially become attracted by the allure of the material energy. The brahmajyoti can be covered by the Maha-tattva and as such the jiva is at risk of being caught in the illusory energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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