Is there class discrimination in Goloka?

[Beggar]

 

... understanding IS NOT the teachings of Srila Prabhupada

 

 

 

Thats why I accept the undertsanding of Srila Prabhupadas books from the great visionary Sarva-gattah

 

The teachings of Sarva gattah are NOT the teachings of Srila Prabhupada!

Viggy you've been outed!!! Stop hiding behind your bogus loyalty to Prabhupada. You understand Prabhupada through someone else. And that person is totally unqualified and lives in a delusion!

[Murali_Mohan_das]

 

There understanding IS NOT the teachings of Srila Prabhupada

 

When you don't even understand English (their/there), how can you hope to understand the teachings of Srila Prabhupada?

[Vigraha]

 

When you don't even understand English (their/there), how can you hope to understand the teachings of Srila Prabhupada?

 

'Small' things, mistakes, what ever amuse small minds

 

Anyway here is more nector

 

When one has finally re-established themselves as who they really are in the perpetual present, (their endless nitya-siddha-svarupa body that is eternally their Krishna Conscious identity), the dark troublesome cloud of past, present, future and ENVY found within that IGNORANT mahat-tattva covering, will be lifted and will no longer exists just as darkness can no longer exist in the presents of light. When one reaches this realization, one's so called fall down will be as if it never happened. "Never happened" because there is no past tense AT ALL in Goloka. There is only the transcendental pastimes of Krishna, His expansions and MARGINAL devotee's. ALL of us therefore have our eternal 'svarupa' body already situated in Goloka

 

JIVA-JAGO Wake up, and come out from under all those layers of ignorance covering your real authentic, geniune nitya-siddha body.

 

 

 

[Murali_Mohan_das]

Cut, paste, cut, paste, paste, paste, cut, cut. Blaspheme, denigrate, blaspheme, denigrate, blaspheme, blaspheme, denigrate, denigrate.

 

 

'Small' things, mistakes, what ever amuse small minds

 

Anyway here is more nector

 

When one has finally re-established themselves as who they really are in the perpetual present, (their endless nitya-siddha-svarupa body that is eternally their Krishna Conscious identity), the dark troublesome cloud of past, present, future and ENVY found within that IGNORANT mahat-tattva covering, will be lifted and will no longer exists just as darkness can no longer exist in the presents of light. When one reaches this realization, one's so called fall down will be as if it never happened. "Never happened" because there is no past tense AT ALL in Goloka. There is only the transcendental pastimes of Krishna, His expansions and MARGINAL devotee's. ALL of us therefore have our eternal 'svarupa' body already situated in Goloka

 

JIVA-JAGO Wake up, and come out from under all those layers of ignorance covering your real authentic, geniune nitya-siddha body.

 

 

 

[Murali_Mohan_das]

 

'Small' things, mistakes, what ever amuse small minds

 

If you can't even get the "small" things right, what assurance do we have that you understand the "important" things correctly?

[Murali_Mohan_das]

 

If you can't even get the "small" things right, what assurance do we have that you understand the "important" things correctly?

 

Blaspheming the Vaishnava is no "small" thing.

[Beggar]

Vigrah and Sarva gattah:

 

or Srila Prabhupada and Srila Sridhar Maharaja:

 

[Shakti-Fan]

 

Vigrah and Sarva gattah:

 

 

Yes, very good. This picture proves that the Sleepervadis eminate from the bodily effulgence of Heckle and Jeckle!

[Murali_Mohan_das]

 

Yes, very good. This picture proves that the Sleepervadis eminate from the bodily effulgence of Heckle and Jeckle!

 

You and Beggar crack me up!!

[Guruvani]

[Guruvani]

 

 

[Guruvani]

COULD LIFE ARISE BY CHANCE? by Drutakarma das & Sadaputa das

by Divya-prabandha das on Mon 30 Oct 2006 11:34 PM LKT | Permanent Link | Cosmos

 

 

 

 

 

[realist]

 

Shiva says - 'That is not quite right. A metaphor doesn’t imply that something is not real, it implies that something, like an idea or word or conception, is representing or designating another. If the conception of Maha Vishnu dreaming is not a metaphor then it is literal. In fact it cannot be literal because Maha Vishnu is a swamsa or plenary expansion of Krsna i.e. Maha Vishnu is Krsna'.

 

It is a fact that Maha-Vishnu is laying down dreaming and His DREAM IS THE MATERIAL CREATION OR MAHAT-TATTVA

 

“This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma Samhita describes:

 

Yah karanarnava – jale bhajati sma yaga

Nidram ananta – jagad- anda- saroma- kupah

 

This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation.”Purport to SB. 4.29.83.

 

This description of the material dreaming characteristic of our marginal (nitya-baddha identity) has been a controversial subject for so long however, Shiva must understand that the dreams of Maha-Vishnu and the dreams of the marginal living entity, that takes residence within Maha-Vishnu’s material dreaming creation, are certainly not on the same 'mental' state' of illusionary dreams that we all have in our present material biological bodies.

 

No, it is not like that interpretation of the word dream.

 

Maha-Vishnu is sleeping and dreaming and our bodily vessels and their surroundings are all part and parcel of His mahat-tattva dream

"The modes of nature divide the soul's consciousness into normal wakefulness, dreaming and dreamless sleep. All such varieties of perception, however, are actually Maya and exist only like a dream". Text 34 Purport Canto 11

 

Srila Prabhuapada calls non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, dreams and says we are ‘thinking’ or ‘dreaming’ that we are separated from Krishna but actually there is simply a cloud covering our vision of seeing Krishna and who we really are.

 

What does this mean

 

The secondary nitya-baddha 'dreaming' conscious state of the jiva-tatastha, is an authentic and real condition that ALL living entities can activate if they choose to use their free will and ignore Krishna and their authentic 'svarupa' body they serve Krishna as. The permanent bodily Krishna Conscious nitya-siddha feature of the marginal living entity is the bona fide permanent spiritual identity that ALL marginal living entities are endowed with.

 

Srila Prabhupada - "Our position is like that, sometimes covered, sometimes free, just like at the edge of the tide. As soon as we forget, immediately the illusion is there. Just like as soon as we sleep, dream is there”.

Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” SB. 4.29.2b.

We are all dreaming as our nitya-baddha secondary self within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu Our authentic constitutional eternal self is nitya-siddha in Goloka

 

Srila Prabhupada also uses the analogy of the cloud covering the sun, its not that the sun is not there, but rather is that we cannot see the sun similarly, the nitya-baddha consciousness is like the cloud and the only when that cloud (nitya-baddha consciousness) dissipates, can we see the sun or our true perpetual Krishna Conscious nitya-siddha bodily identity.

 

The problem with the dream analogy is many foolishly relate this dream state with the biological body of nine gates. This is due to not understanding what the 'dream' means in this context in relation to maha-Vishnu. The DREAMING CONCEPT simply means we have ALL come down from Goloka and our consciousness has become covered like a cloud covers the sun, or like dust covers the mirror or like smoke covers the fire - dreaming simply means being covered to the point you cannot see who you really are, just like in the dark, one cannot see themselves and those around them due to the absents of light, therefore, presently a blanket of 'darkness' covers the marginal living entity in the material world, that 'blanket of darness' is called the nitya-baddha consciousness. The uncovered state is ones real eternal DEVOTIONALLY ACTIVE BODILY identity called the nitya-siddha genuin self that perpetually resides in Krishna's eternal pastimes in Goloka.

 

The marginal living entity therefore can choose to use their 'marginal' freewill and venture as the non-Krishna Conscious covered nitya-baddha characteristic (the covered state) of their marginal identity to the mahat-tattva 'dreaming' creation of Maha-Vishnu. The nitya-baddha consciousness therefore is an existent living part and parcel of ones own marginal potency or individual identity that is a secondary feature of the individual living entity that’s restricted view simply manifests due to ones REAL authentic nitya-siddha bodily identity being covered like the cloud blocks out the sun or like ones dreams at night makes one forget their present body.

In this way the mahat-tattva DREAM is real, however it is also temporary due to its fading scenery of past, prsent and future and that is why it is called illusion, that which is not - Maya.

 

Each living entity has their ceaseless nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious bodily identity in Goloka or Vaikuntha and also has the ability, due to the freedom to choose, to arouse their non-Krishna conscious desire, thoughts and imaginings that ARE like a dark cloud that covers ones perpetual ‘svarupa’ identity. This ‘lower self or secondary consciousness’ blocks out ones awareness, service and vision of real permanent self and is known as ones nitya-baddha COVERED consciousness, a state of restricted perception that all marginal living entities can trigger (be covered by) if they no longer want to stay with Krishna in Goloka..

 

In this way this attribute within the mahat-tattva or material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti, ones jiva-soul identity is 10,000th the size of a tip of hair IN OUR dimension of awareness within the maha-tattva, AND can also move on to a dreamless dormant state within the impersonal trait of the Brahmajyoti that can only also exist outside the personal active realm of Goloka and Vaikuntha.

 

The Impersonal feature of Brahman or the Brahmajyoti cannot exist as independent effulgence because factually that effulgence IS the marginal living entities secondary nitya-baddha consciousness in an inactive dormant dreamless state.

 

Srila Prabhupada says that only those who DO NOT 'DREAM' of selfish independance in the material world with their mistaken desires, thoughts, aspirations and imaginations of grandur, are in always Goloka in their original bodily constitutional position and Never FALL DOWN OR COME DOWN to the material creation. They have chosen to NEVER dreamin of the material world. This means prsently we are caught up in a dream we think is real but in comparison to the eternal 'presents' in Goloka, it is only real for a short time, then fades away to the point that it never was, hence the meaning of Maya, that which is not.

 

THIS IS WHAT THE WORD DREAM MEANS IN THIS ABSOLUE CONTEXT. The dream we are presently having in the material creation or mahat-tattva, that IS our material body and mind and its surroundings, is an illusion (that is real but temporary) created by Maha-Vishnu; hence dream means illusion in the material world, something that fades away to the point that it will seem that it never really existed. Real existence is permanent and never fades away. Therefore the material 'dream' existence is real, but only temporarily real. Eventually your material body and mine will be as if it never was, as if it never even existed in the first place.

 

Srila Prabhupada - "Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. That is the secret understanding in all Vedic literature" Text 1b:Canto 4 Purport Srimad Bhagavatam

 

Srila Prabhupada - "One is actually dreaming due to incomplete knowledge, just as one may dream that one has wakened from a dream". Canto 11 Text 30 Purport

 

Srila Prabhupada - "As an object of enjoyment or a permanent residence for the conditioned souls, the material universe is certainly illusion, nothing more than a dream. One may give the analogy that the vision of abundant water in a desert is no more than a dream, although real water exists elsewhere. Similarly, the vision of home, happiness and reality within matter is certainly no better than a foolish dream in which repeated miseries appear.

 

In another sense, however, the universe is real. In his commentary on Vedanta-sūtra, Śrīla Madhvācārya has confirmed this by quoting the following statement from the Vedic śruti-mantras: satyam hy evedam viśvam asrjata. "This universe, created by the Lord, is real." The perfect authority of the Vedas thus certifies this universe to be real; nevertheless, because our knowledge is stolen by illusion (as indicated here by the words asta-dhisanam), we cannot properly understand this universe or the Supreme Lord who has created it. As the expansion of Lord Krishna, the universe is real and is meant for being engaged in His service. One who accepts the kingdom of God as home, the Lord Himself as the object of love, and the material universe as paraphernalia for being engaged in the Lord's service dwells within eternal reality wherever he may go within the material and spiritual worlds".Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 10.14.22 Purport

 

 

 

Maha Vishnu the ultimate dreamer

 

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